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KDF NEEDS weapons, offers design to contractors

26-10-2003, 00:10
As all 44 square miles of our nation is on top of or underwater, we need a good navy and airforce. Here are our requirements-
Aircraft-Fighters and Attack
-Must be capable of short runway takeoff
-Preferably VTOL/VSTOL
-Must be capable of in flight refueling
-Attack aircraft must be able to mount anti-ship weapons
Naval Ships-
-Frigates destroyers, and Cruisers only. I can't afford carriers and battleships are useless and pointless
-Frigates should be as stealthy as possible
-Must have VLS tubes
-Must use RAM or Barak, no CIWS only ships
And our design idea-

Supercavitating torpedoes have existed for decades… The next logical step is to create a manned supercavitating craft.

Supercavitating subfighters will be the ‘Tomcats of the deep’, patrolling the oceans at over a thousand miles per hour. Launched from carriers, Deep Angel envisions these subfighters deciding who really rules the seas. They offer numerous advantages over aircraft. They can turn off their engines, loiter indefinitely, silent, undetectable. Aircraft launched to intercept them will circle aimlessly overhead, unable to target them. They will attack who they want, when they want.

Like aircraft since WWII, subfighters will rule the oceanic battlefields. Three quarters of the world is ocean.

Guidance presents one of the largest obstacles for supercavitating craft. Early versions of the Shkvals are thought to be ‘straight shooters’ capable only of flying in a straight line. Supercavitational bullets are also by their very nature unguided. The ability to successfully steer a supercavitational craft presents perhaps the most difficult aspect of fully utilizing the technology. Any control surface within the bubble will have little or no affect on the direction of the craft.

Steering a supercavitational craft creates the dual problems of both having to steer the bubble, and manipulating the bubble when turning to keep the craft in the supercavity. The latter is essential since if the fuselage were to come into contact with the ocean outside the bubble, then the force of suddenly hitting a wall of water would instantly crush it.

The solution envisioned in our project to steer the bubble is accomplished using wing like ‘fins’ which extrude from the fuselage and extend beyond the supercavitational bubble. Whilst these would cause some increase in friction, they have the far greater benefit of allowing the supercavitational bubble to be steered. The fins would operate as control surfaces which could steer the bubble, and have the additional benefit of stabilizing the craft within the inherently unstable supercavitational bubble.

The ability to control and manipulate the supercavitational bubble is also essential in both increasing maneuverability and to stop the crushing of the craft as it turns. The bubble creating cavitator at the nose of the craft would have to be capable of quickly changing its position and angle to both ensure the bubble is always encasing the craft and to compensate for varying water pressure as the craft’s depth changes.

Steering is aided through the use of thrust vectoring on the exhausts of the rocket engines, similar to current day proven systems used on the F-22 or SU-37 fighter jets. It has been widely speculated that thrust vectoring would greatly increase the maneuverability of supercavitational craft. The thrust vectored nozzles direct thrust both horizontally and vertically to allow much tighter turns and angles of attack, and assist the fins in effectively steering the bubble.

Cavitation in conventional marine craft is so dreaded because it can cause extensive damage to propellers as the bubbles implode. Fortunately, the decrease in the supercavitational bubble, as long as it is controlled, would not have such an effect. A gradual slow down has the effect of progressively reducing the size of the supercavitational bubble, gradually exposing the fuselage to greater amounts of friction.

As such as long as there is not a sudden collapse of the bubble, no damage is expected in leaving the supercavitational bubble.
--Kalitha Defense Forces--
26-10-2003, 00:57
Bump!
26-10-2003, 01:06
BUMP!
I REALLY need weapons, people. C'mon...
Please post your storefront links or offers here...
26-10-2003, 01:09
Bisonic Naval Storefront (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70845)
26-10-2003, 01:18
BUMP and http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85435&highlight= for my intro thread.
Crookfur
26-10-2003, 02:22
Well if you want a versatile V/STOL fighter then look no further than our CFF-9G Harrier, far cheaper than a JSF and capable of a wider range of roles, including anti shipping using a wide range of muntions.


(i don't want to clog up your thread so detaisl can be found here: http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/aircraft.html you will need to scroll down a bit).


As for ships i could offer you our Bernadine Frigate but it uses a lot proprietry equipment (ie it uses our own VLS with Crookfur developed missiles and the short rnage missile armament is neither of the specified systems but a mix of short rnage missiles from the VLS and 2 navalised launchers for star streak).
26-10-2003, 02:24
why not just buy an Untouchable class battleship. 5 could maybe defeat a carrier group. Plus right now they're on sale look for one at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85505
26-10-2003, 13:19
why not just buy an Untouchable class battleship. 5 could maybe defeat a carrier group. Plus right now they're on sale look for one at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85505
No way! I told you people, I don't want battleships, they're useless. And you're too young and recently craterfied to be selling naval ships. Please read my post before replying.
Crookfur-
Thank you, we'll take 150 CFF-5. We believe they'll suit our needs quite nicely.
26-10-2003, 13:24
every one says I got them. Oh well.
Crookfur
26-10-2003, 13:24
Is that of the CFF-5C Dragonpearl or CFF-5E Double Dragon versions (for difference think F15C compared to F15E).

Sorry for any confusion.
26-10-2003, 13:35
every one says I got them. Oh well.
I'm sure you have them, but not enough to sell.
Crookfur- CFF-5C, please.

And are any of you high-tech nations willing to try my concept out?
26-10-2003, 13:37
no wehn you place the order a factory makes one.
Kalmykhia
26-10-2003, 13:39
Kalitha, can you really afford to buy that many aircraft? They're gonna cost about 5% of your annual GDP. I can offer you a Kiev class carrier (I know you're not exactly looking for one, but it's a small one) and 25 Yak-141 (the world's only supersonic VTOL) for $500m if you want to agree to a mutual defence pact, covering joint exercises, overflight & landing rights and intelligence & technology sharing. Whaddya think?
26-10-2003, 13:41
no wehn you place the order a factory makes one.
Look, stop coming back here. If you want to argue, TG me. I still don't want your stupid, useless hugetargetship, stop clogging up my thread!
26-10-2003, 13:42
ok. Sorry I'll leave.
26-10-2003, 13:43
Kalitha, can you really afford to buy that many aircraft? They're gonna cost about 5% of your annual GDP. I can offer you a Kiev class carrier (I know you're not exactly looking for one, but it's a small one) and 25 Yak-141 (the world's only supersonic VTOL) for $500m if you want to agree to a mutual defence pact, covering joint exercises, overflight & landing rights and intelligence & technology sharing. Whaddya think?
Hmm... Oops :oops:. I must of multiplied wrong. Never mind. Cut the CFF-5C order to 50, and I'll accept. And yay, someone has Yak-141s!
Crookfur
26-10-2003, 13:45
Kalitha: Your order for 50 CFF-5C Dragonpearls is confirmed, expect delivery within 1 Rl day.
26-10-2003, 13:47
Thank you very much. We have wired the money.
Kalmykhia
26-10-2003, 13:49
Are you accepting the Kiev and the treaty? Treaty terms are: every year our armed forces exercise together, if one of us is attacked the other agrees to aid them, my aircraft can use your airspace and airbases, and vice versa, but if we're using them for an attack on someone, permission is needed from their government. And we agree to co-operate on intelligence issues and work together on the technology front. How's that sound?
Trailers
26-10-2003, 13:51
We can arm your troops!Willing to sell up to 700,000 BR-116C 9mm Sub-machinegun.$450 a pop.
26-10-2003, 14:07
26-10-2003, 14:25
Are you accepting the Kiev and the treaty? Treaty terms are: every year our armed forces exercise together, if one of us is attacked the other agrees to aid them, my aircraft can use your airspace and airbases, and vice versa, but if we're using them for an attack on someone, permission is needed from their government. And we agree to co-operate on intelligence issues and work together on the technology front. How's that sound?
That sounds fine.
Trailers-I don't believe you read our intro post. We are a floating nation, built on an artificial island, with mines on the seafloor. Our only land forces are the city police, who use FN P90s, M4s, and various handguns.
And I still need some takers on my design concept. This will give us an edge against larger conventional navies.
Kalmykhia
26-10-2003, 21:07
Formal: Kalmykhia is proud to announce a mutual defence treaty with its valiant brothers in the small but proud nation of Kalitha. Together, we will march arm-in-arm towards a better world.
Ivan Shevchenko, Foreign Minister

Informal: We will send you five million dollars funding, twenty Shkval torpedoes as test beds and one of our best topedo scientists, Igor Rusanov. More funding and aid will be forthcoming if research shows promise.
Liberty Fighters
26-10-2003, 22:41
Kalitha,
Sorry it has taken me until now to respond. (ooc: Ijust now noticed my thread went to page 2.Haha!) Sadly, I cannot help yor nation at the moment in anything that would cost us money. We are very thin on our budget due to
1.) Recent purchaces from Adejaani/Sambizie Areo-Tech Corp.
2.) The Atlantian Outcast's Civil war in which we are suporting the Government
3.) Some R&D Projects we are working on.
I can talk to you about your needs and might be able to connect you in other ways. Drop me a TG and we can talk, Ill help you as much as I can.(OOC: AIM, MSN,IRQ,IRC, or Yahoo could be helpful for us to talk too)

William O'Connor
High Chancellor/High Marhsall CLF
Chancellor/Marhsall ARLF