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Freedom Country is in dire need of some decent modern subs. Our Delta Class subs are relatively noisy, slow and cumbersome. They dont even have a decent VLS system.

It is well known that the rest of my navy is pretty good, with Top-of-the-Range carriers, and several decent and robust support ships. So, to compliment our great surface ships, we would like a very good sub force.
Design constraints:

Diesel/Electric Sub

Capable of holding 30+ torpedoes in stores
4+ Torpedo tubes
At least a day with out snorkeling/snorting
Can launch Anti-Ship Missiles from tubes
Has state of the art electronics.

Nuclear Subs

Capable of holding 20+ torpedoes in tubes
4+ Torpedo tubes
10+ VLS Cells
Can launch anti ship missiles from tubes.
SOTA Electronics
10,000+ tons

Please enter away!!!

Type 222 Hunter Killer Submarine

http://photo.net/photo/pcd0512/djurgarden-submarine-44.3.jpg


- Diesel boat
- 4 Mk8/Spearfish Torpedo tubes
- 8 vertical facing harpoon tubes
- Released in 2001 - State of the art - Newest Addition to the Wintrees Fleet.
- Addaptive Prairie system gives the boat a sonar signiture of a Dolphin submerged and a fishing boat surfaced.
- Length 220 Feet
- Hull Diameter 20 Feet
- Draft 36 Feet
- Displacement(Submerged) 18,750 Tons

We can only supply a small amount of these subs as construction puts a strain on our resources, we can however supply you with them over a long time period. These make great scout/tracker/anti-sub subs as they are so small.

Re: The Armored Falcon

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/usw/issue_8/subacce1.gif


The Armored Falcon, one of the most technologicly advanced "Silent Sub" to hit Nationstates in a good while. This Sub (as seen in the Hostile Waters RP), Has a Reputation going. This sub has never been Spotted.

The number of Armored Falcons we currently have in our inventory is confidential, and will probobly never be released. All the info we can give you on this Sub is as follows:


Powerplant: Cristaline-Reaction Caterpiller System (or CRCS, this is a power source that can be matched to nuclear power in speed, but giving off no sound whatsoever)

Crew: 120

Armament: ICBMs (number classified)
Cruise missiles (number classified)
Computer guided ScramTorps (number classified)
MIRV warhead ICBMs (number classified)
Sea-Mine Devise(2 systems)

And the big one.........This sub is armed with the Star-Genie System, A Missile launching Network that is only talked about with the closest of allies.

We are extremely interested in your Armored Falcon, as they seemed very good, if unfinished opponents in the Shostile Waters 'battle'. We admit that though our Delta may have seen your prototype, this finished model is 'Silent' in every way (save active sonar, but that stupid in combat).

We would very much like to see a price, more info and some info on the engine, which is a main point in this sub. We would not purchase many, however, as they are not in the origonal thought process.

Sorry about the 222, it simply is not modern enough.

We are looking for something better than the good old Kilo.

Fc: we don't really have any submarine development on going at the moment but we are working on a submarine vertical gun system with 2 main versions: 1 for mounting in SLBM tubes and 1 for mounting in standard sized VLS tubes (ie the tomahawk tubes of a 688 or similar).

We could likely supply you with these for your chosen aquirments.


Of course we might end up with a medium sized hybrid design to make use of both systems ie an attack sub with 2-4 SLBM tubes that carry either the guns or missiles

Goin with our current mone saving scheme we woul very much like to produce one with you, but given the sheer number of designs in the works we cannot. However, we may be upgrading several Delta's for the 4th Fleet, which is rather neglected.

This would mean a new model Delta, with 4 ICBM/VLS tubes.

Well we could have a stab at a joint upgrade project (although i currently use ohio's and trafalgars) or i could do the work for you on the cheap as it would be a test bed for a future system...

As an entry for your nuclear submarine tender, we wish to submit the Yasey-M SSN, the most advanced submarine in service with the Kalmykh navy. For further information, please consult our sales literature (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1926078#1926078).
Yuri Kostoglotov, KALEXPONAV

OOC: It's about the equivalent of a Los Angeles class sub, costing in the region of $400 million dollars. This price is negotiable, depending on offsets and such what. Dunno iffen it might be a bit too old school for ya.

We are extremely interested in your Armored Falcon, as they seemed very good, if unfinished opponents in the Shostile Waters 'battle'. We admit that though our Delta may have seen your prototype, this finished model is 'Silent' in every way (save active sonar, but that stupid in combat).

We would very much like to see a price, more info and some info on the engine, which is a main point in this sub. We would not purchase many, however, as they are not in the origonal thought process.

Sorry about the 222, it simply is not modern enough.

We are looking for something better than the good old Kilo.

Yes FC, the sub that was in Hostile Waters was a toned down version of this. it did not have the same silent drive and sonarRED tech as this one does.

May I suggest you join the Proteus Class design group? Look back through our post record. The submarine will meet all of your requirements, plus it integrates the new V.S.S. system. (Read the thread to find out what the V.S.S. is.)

Sorry Kalmykhia, but we are after something BETTER than the good old American Subs. The Delta Class is a copy of the seawolf, but with no VLS.

Feline, I am lookign in.

You will note the displacement is less than your requirement. However, it uses lightweight, yet strong, materials. We believe, however, it would meet your requirements if it was built out of conventional materials.

Hmm, our SSK is smaller than you want, but also 8 times quieter than the already very quiet Kilo (or as NATO called it, "the black whole in the ocean")

Anyway,

Oscar 3 class attack submarine
Armed with Yakhont-4 SSM's and Skval underwater rocket, Oscar 3 is the latest in the Oscar family of submarines. $1 bil/$950 mil*
Displacement (tons):14,700 surfaced 24,000 submerged
Speed (kts): 32 knots dived
16 kts surfaced
Dimensions (m):154.0 meters long
18.2 meters beam
9.0 meters draft
Propulsion 2 VM-5 190 MWt pressurized-water nuclear reactors (OK-650b)
2 steam turbines - 90,000 shp
Propulsion: 2 7-bladed propellers
Endurance: 50 days
Diving depth: 600 meters
Crew : 94 total
Electronics Radar
Snoop Pair or Snoop Half Surface Search
Rim Hat intercept array
Sonar
Shark Gill (MGK-503) hull mounted
Shark Rib flank array
Mouse Roar MG-519 Hull mounted
Pelamida towed array
2 periscopes
Armament: 24 Yakhont-4 SSM
24 Skhval underwater rockets or 24 SS-N-16 anti submarine missiles
http://www.navalarmada.com/images/roscar3.jpg


Amur class diesel submarine

One of the worlds quietest submarines, if not the worlds quietest submarine, Amur is a cost effective submarine capable of defending the general vicinity of its country. $250/$235 mil*

http://www.milparade.com/1998/26/cont3.jpg
http://www.navy.go.kr/submarine/explorer/image/rkjxl007.jpg

The submarine has been conceived as a kind of an underwater sea hunter, capable of destroying any targets - surface naval ships, transport vessels, or submarines - using torpedoes, missiles, mines and also with the help of frogmen.

The following basic concepts underlie the design of the new-generation submarine:
-the high combat efficiency of
-the submarine, surpassing other submarines of a similar class;
-guaranteed early detection of enemy ships;
-simple and convenient operation;
-smaller labor requirements in construction compared to previous generation submarines.

New radioelectronic and other equipment for the submarine is being developed by the traditional organizations, which have worked for a long time for Dark Terror's submarine-building industry, and by a number of other leading organizations of Dark Terror's military-industrial complex. Many first-class companies from the military-industrial complex are ready to offer their services. The competitive approach and in-depth analysis on the potential of these companies allowed Rubin and the Bisonic Navy to raise the standards imposed on the new equipment and also be sure that the contracts would be carried out.

At present the work on the development of the basic equipment has passed the stage of technical designs and working design documentation for the production of the first models. The submarine s export version has been designated Amur 1850. Its armament includes six
533-mm torpedo tubes. The ammunition consists of 16 units, which may include universal torpedoes, anti-submarine missile torpedoes, cruise missiles, mines.

Provisions are made for using high-speed anti-submarine missiles Shkval. The foreign navies have no counterparts for this weapon, whose action may be likened to the lightning stab of a dagger.

The firing system is such that ammunition may be fired in single shots or volleys of up to 6 units. It takes several seconds to fire a volley of two torpedoes from the stand-by torpedo tubes. A mechanical loading mechanism, traditionally installed on Bisonic submarines, allows the torpedo tubes to be automatically reloaded and quickly fire the second and subsequent volleys. All preparations for firing and actual firing are automated and controlled from the operator s console in the main control room of the submarine.

The sonar equipment includes highly sensitive direction listening antennas - two bow antennas and two sideboard antennas at the forward end of the submarine. The antennas are made as large as possible. They occupy most of the forward end surface. No similar submarines in Russia or abroad have sonar antennas covering such a large area. The shape of the forward end has been thoroughly optimized hydrodynamically and tested in the large cavitation tunnel at the Central Research Institute in Nachtaka.

In addition to the stationary antennas the submarine has a trailing sonar antenna with an ssue point in the upper vertical stabilizer.

The low noise of the submarine equipment, use of state-of-the-art acoustic protection systems, unique engineering solutions suggested by specialists of Rubin , the Central Research Institute and other Bisonic Navy research organizations mean that the Amur 1950 will be 8-10 times quieter than preceding generation Kilo submarines.

A highly efficient sonar system, coupled with the low level of noise of the submarine proper, guarantees early detection of enemy ships, including superlow-noise submarines, at large distances. Consequently, the most favorable conditions are created for deciding when to attack.

The navigation equipment includes an inertial navigation system, which provides the means for safe navigation and furnishes data about the submarine s location and its motion parameters with the requisite firing precision.

The submarine has an attack periscope with a night vision channel and a laser range finder. The radio communication facilities provide reliable two-way communication with the shore command posts, ships and aircraft in the surface condition and at the periscope depth. A trail antenna is used to receive command messages at large depths. The antenna is extended from the pressure hull. The radar system, with active and passive antennas mounted on one hoist-mast gear, has a high concealment channel in the active mode and furnishes complete information about the surface and air situation without exposing the submarine.

Control of the submarine, armament, and technical facilities is highly automated and carried out from the operators consoles concentrated in the main control room. Consequently the number of crew has been reduced to 41 men with a three-shift watch and 34 men with a two-shift watch. All radioelectronic facilities are included in a common data exchange system which makes it possible to analyze data automatically at the maximum possible speed and submit the processed data to the commander for decision-making. The equipment can also be controlled from local control stations in the compartments.

Comprehensive model trials, carried out at the Krylov Central Research Institute, demonstrated the good maneuverability of the submarine in all operating conditions. The main single-shaft propulsion plant includes a 2,000-kW propulsion motor and a storage battery consisting of two groups of battery cells. The full submerged speed is 22 knots. For a submarine, armed with long-range and high-speed underwater weapons and antiship cruise missiles, this is sufficient to ensure effective performance of combat tasks. .

For motion in the surface condition and at a periscope depth the submarine is equipped with two AC diesel-generators with rectifiers. The power rating of the diesel-generators was selected so as to ensure conventional charging of the storage battery and use of a special accelerated charging mode developed by the Russian specialists to decrease the time the submarine has to spend at a periscope depth. The absence of a brush-type collector increases the operational safety of the generators.

The new equipment developed for the Amur submarine is superior to the equipment used on third-generation submarines in terms of vibroacoustic characteristics and durability. Even if operated with high intensity, the submarine equipment does not require factory repair earlier than 10 years after it has been put into service. The submarine s designers abided by the principle your ship is your home , characteristic of the Bisonic approach for providing comforts for the crew. Cabins are provided for all crew members, including double- berthed cabins for the officers. The commanding officer has a well furnished cozy single cabin.

Meals are served in a messroom with a buffet room. All food stock is kept in refrigerated and non-refrigerated storage rooms. The newly developed galley equip- ment is small in size and consumes little power. It allows hot meals to be cooked quickly, without affecting the taste and nutrient qualities of the food.

Fresh water is kept in stainless steel tanks which effectively preserve its quality. Water supplies can be replenished with the help of a distilling plant, making use of the heat generated by the diesels. On the whole the water supply is quite sufficient for drinking needs and hygienic purposes (dish washing, showers).

The designers of the new submarine had to find a radical solution to the environmental problems, which arise during the submarine s use. Provisions were made to install equipment to clean bilge waters from petroleum products, treat waste-water, briquette food packing and garbage and grind food waste. This ensured compliance with existing international ecological requirements for ships. The submarine does not even have any devices for discharging waste overboard. The Amur submarine can be operated in any region of the World Ocean free from continuous ice cover.

Rubin has completed design work on a whole family of the Amur diesel-electric submarines with a displacement of 1,850 tons. The designers adopted essentially the same design and layout solutions for entire submarines and their separate subsystems, using unified or modified equipment. Amur 1850's storage battery has a large capacity and it is equipped with a more powerful propulsion motor. Hence, it boasts an increased cruising range, submerged speed and endurance and better livability. However, the displacement of the submarine has increased to 1,850 tons.

Number of Torpedo Tubes: 6
Caliber: 533mm
Endurance: 50 days
Crew: 37
Max Depth: 250 meters
Cruising Rnage: 6,000 miles
Submerged Speed: 22 knots
Length: 68 meters
Beam: 7.2 meters
Height: 8.2 meters

Im deisgning an SSN at the moment, prelinary pic:

http://www.angelfire.com/ex2/unitedelias/astute.JPG

Hang fire people, I will stay with UE until anything else omes along.

I am not sure about yours, DT, because you win everything.

Hang fire people, I will stay with UE until anything else omes along.

I am not sure about yours, DT, because you win everything.

im preparing some specs.

Ok.

And I am still after in depth Armored Falcon stuff.

Did you look over the Proteus class design breif? Also, look on the last page of my store... the movies you requested are there.

Hang fire people, I will stay with UE until anything else omes along.

I am not sure about yours, DT, because you win everything.Because my tech is simply the best.

well, some of it


Me & You basically have all the best ground, air, and sea stuff.

well, some of it


Me & You basically have all the best ground, air, and sea stuff.
New Genoa has OK upgraded copies of my T-80UM4, and Crookfur+Hole Where Evil Lives have a good tank destroyer. Other than that, basically.

No, we have the best tech.

well, some of it


Me & You basically have all the best ground, air, and sea stuff.

hell, my stuff is great, plus I have many things others just dont think about:

Aircraft/Helicopters

EA-24 Multipurpose helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824)

EA-26 Attack Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68324&highlight=)

EA-28 Light/ScoutSpecial Forces Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66401)

EA-50 Turboprop Trainer/Light Attack Aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40977)

EA-60 Carrier Support Aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74543)

EA-70 Mini J-STAR (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26456&highlight=)

EA-80 Tactical Transport Plane (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38933)

EA-148 Jet Trainer/Light Fighter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76765)

EA-160 Tactical Fighter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71886)

Upgraded An-124/An-225 Strategic Transport Aircraft (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64942&highlight=)

Mi-26 Ultra-heavylift Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45332&highlight=)

Ships/Naval

EM-5 'Typhoon' class special operations/river patrol boat. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75771&highlight=)

EM-50 Minesweeper (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73949&highlight=)

EM-75 Fleet Oiler (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60162&highlight=)

EM-80 Combat Support Vessel. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59383)

EM-90 Sealift/Military Transport Ship (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38804&highlight)

EM-100 Fast Attack Missile Boat (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34800&highlight=)

EM-120 Corvette (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35757&highlight=)

EM-140 Guided Missile Frigate (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39617&highlight=)

EM-150 Amphibious Assault Ship (joint project with Dark Terror) (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52737)

EM-155 Amphibious Landing Ship (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74553&highlight=)

EM-200 'Victory' class Aircraft Carrier (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77139&highlight=)

Weapons and Equipment

EAW-12 Air Launched Cruise Missile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56000)

EAW-16 Tactcal Surface to Surface Missile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76211)

EAW-22 Ship Launched Cruise missile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79705&highlight=)

Yakhont-3 Anti ship missile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79445&highlight=)


SCR-12 Tavor Combat Rifle (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59484&highlight=)

LASH submarine detection system (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64828&highlight=)

ERS-1 Man-Portable Reconnaissance UAV (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75781&highlight=)

Land Warfare

ELS-400 High mobility MLRS (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76224)

ELS-119 105mm Light Artillery Gun (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1635384#1635384)


Advanced Artillery submuntions (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74839)

ERS-2 Helicopter UAV. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1726050#1726050)

In Development

EA-220 Carrier/land Based Tactical Bomber (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73661&highlight=)


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Anyway back to the point:

The EM-240 Leviathan class Nuclear attack submarine was designed in order to compliment Akula and Sierra class submarines in service with the Elias. The type is highly advanced and little expense has been spared developing it, with innovative design ideas being taken from the West and the East. This is the first submarine the Elias Marine Corporation has developed and once again the company has lived up to its reputation, reliability, ingenuity and capability.

Design

The submarine’s hull is built from a Titanium alloy which while being expensive gives the vessel an impressive diving depth of 2,600ft and as it is light allows a maximum diving speed of nearly 40 knots. The other advantage is that Titanium is non magnetic and MAD gear is therefore useless in detecting the submarine. Power for Leviathan class is provided by a Pressure Water reactor developed by the Elias Atomic Energy Corporation that features excellent levels of radiation shielding and safety systems that have been exhaustively tested.. Instead of standard propellers the Leviathan uses a pump jet propulsors that offers incredible advantages in acoustic stealth over conventional configurations as well as increased reliability. In order to maximise acoustic stealth the hull is covered with sound insulating anechoic tiles which prevents nearly all interior sounds from escaping.

One of the most easily detectable signs of submarines has always been the periscope that can show up easily on surface search radars but on the Leviathan the fibre optic is non hull penetrating and is covered in a RAM coating that makes a small radar cross section into a virtually non existent one. Additionally the periscope’s shape minimises visible wake on the surface. All other antennae and aerials that need to protrude above the surface at some stage all have these stealth features to minimise the risk of detection.

The submarine was designed with the object of having the least crew possible and using automated systems and eliminating certain jobs through technology the compliment of the class need only be 112 although spare accommodation for 36 is provided for missions such as Special Forces Insertion where additional personnel are required.

Weapons

The Leviathan class boats excellent war fighting capability and an emphasis has been placed on land attack as well as anti-surface/anti-submarine warfare. The Torpedo room is located one compartment aft of the bow behind the huge active/passive sonar sphere and has 4 533mm torpedo tubes and four 650mm torpedo tubes (The four larger tubes can be reduced to 533mmdiamterusing tube liners). These different sizes mean that the submarine can fire a whole range of torpedoes, mines and missiles such as the SS-N-21, SS-N-16, Skhval, EAW-22 Cruise missile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79705&highlight=) and Yakhont-3 Anti ship missile (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79445&highlight=). The torpedo compartment itself can store a total of 38 weapons.

The Leviathan in addition also has 16 650mm Vertical Launch tubes mounted in a 4x4 layout just forward of the sail which are able to fire nearly all existing anti-ship and land attack missiles that can be fired while submerged.

Specifications

Displacement: 8,600 tons dived
Dimensions 362ft x 38ft x 34ft
Max Speed: 39 knots dived.
Max ‘Silent’ Speed: 22 knots
Crush Depth: 2,600ft
Weapons:
8 TorpedoTubes, total 38 weapons
+ 16 Vertical Launch Tubes
Sensors: Classified
Countermeasures: ESM decoys, torpedo decoys, deployable noisemakers.

Price

Unit Cost: 1.3 billion

Estimated annual average operating cost: 42 million

http://www.angelfire.com/ex2/unitedelias/astute.JPG

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/ASTUTE_2.jpg

We would like to purchase 12 of these. Any chance of a price drop for a common customer?

We have a lot of stuff like that, we just don't sell it.

UE, yours is OK as well. Wasnt I suppoed to build the reactors or something for that sub?

Basically, if I buy some, its good.

Well, DT, I will buy 2 of your sub, since its goodish.

Freedom Country... your movies you ordered are in at my store, on the last page of the thread.

Also, what did you think of the Proteus?

Well, DT, I will buy 2 of your sub, since its goodish.
Which one?

Actually, 2 of the one with double screws, 6 of the Amur's.

UE, yours is OK as well. Wasnt I suppoed to build the reactors or something for that sub?

Basically, if I buy some, its good.

oh yeah... sorry I forgpt.

FC; We can knock the per unit price downfrom 1.3 to 1.2 however the fact taht ypu are a regular buyer and an ally means we sell them to you in the first place, these arent for everyone.

DT: Can we have two Lada Amur's please and I can fit them with AIP and Retire two foxtrots

Again, have you looked at the Proteus?

Well, unfortunately Freedom Country you caught us between designs. Our next generation diesel submarines (of which you can find a development thread somewhere around here) are not quite ready yet. But they should equal or surpass modern nuclear submarines at a fraction of the cost... Ahhh well...

UE, yours is OK as well. Wasnt I suppoed to build the reactors or something for that sub?

Basically, if I buy some, its good.

oh yeah... sorry I forgpt.

FC; We can knock the per unit price downfrom 1.3 to 1.2 however the fact taht ypu are a regular buyer and an ally means we sell them to you in the first place, these arent for everyone.

DT: Can we have two Lada Amur's please and I can fit them with AIP and Retire two foxtrots
Confirmed.