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After experimentations with the rare earth metals Uranium and Plutonium, The Empire of Galash is proud to announce it has developed the first Uranium-Plutonium Alloy nuclear warhead. Galash says it will begin testing of this weaponry very soon. "The problem with using uranium or plutonium in anything, is the fact that both metals are very unstable substances." A Galashian Uranium scientist said, "creating an alloy bomb of plutonium and uranium was once thought impossible, noone thought the metals would react and bond with eachother." Galash has stated that if the bomb passes testing, Galash will begin mass production and sell the U-PANB worldwide.

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What kinda crap is this?

You are way to small to even be thinking of something like this!!

You are way to small to even be thinking of something like this!!

so are you.

your right he is way way way way way way way way to small to even be thinking about making nukes, plutonium bombs none the less. and I'm not saying i'm big enough either!

OOC:
I'd settle for getting help from bigger nations to build anti-ICBM and NBC protection systems if I were you. Already too much weapons of mass destruction to even have a decent war based on one's knowledge of strategy. I don't think anyone of the more experienced people here want to see the next generation of players to rely on a nuclear arsenal.

(( OOC: My nation may be way to small to develop such weaponry, but it doesn't matter, if I have the technology, I can use it. However, there will not be many of these weapons developed as I prefer to rely upon tactics an advantage over blow everything up. I haven't been playing THIS game very long, but I have been rping for a long time and I have been playing games relying strongly on military tactics such as Medieval Total War. I am not mad about your criticism, but I do however feel it came at a time before all was known.))

In response to the recent outcries that the Empire of Galash is a much too small nation to develop nuclear weaponry, the King of the Galashian Empire had this to say: "This Empire was first established by Cormurin Dragynn more than 500 years ago, and was at its peak around 300 years ago. The only reason it is a small nation now is because, and I admit, like all Empires, we are in a state of decline, and will fall one day. I and my nation, however, are doing everything we can to stay up to date and keep power so as not to fall, and this is the reason we are developing nuclear weaponry at times like this."

You want to fortify your nation's framework, the very essence of your civilization by creating a nuclear arsenal? Come now, be reasonable, your nation needs attention in internal affairs and not this. Your economy can not support the construction and maintenance of this tomfoolery. You are far too small a nation to worry about weapons of mass destruction in the eyes of the greater majority. Simply put, you can not build nuclear weapons as of yet. Stop this foolishness now or crumble under your own weight.

OOC:
You need to have at least a population of 100 million to stockpile nuclear weapons, even then you can only support a few, say 2 - 5.

You need to rely on reason, what do you want the nuclear weapons for? Defense? You can always attempt to develop SDI or ABMs with the help of greater countries. War? You can always use conventional weaponry, at least that wont attract thousands of other nations who will suddenly hate your guts for using WMDs.

While our nation congratulates you on your recent scientific achievment, we point out that we believe there is more honour and morals in fighting a war conventionaly and do not believe in the purpose of WMD.

While our nation congratulates you on your recent scientific achievment, we point out that we believe there is more honour and morals in fighting a war conventionaly and do not believe in the purpose of WMD.

The purpose of WMDs is simple; to encourage your enemies to fight conventional wars and not just reduce your capitol to a glassed hole in the ground, because you can do the same to them. :wink: :D

OOC: first off, *wonders where people get this insane idea that nuclear discovery must be set to 100 million people, looks at north korea, israel, and so fort and laughs. If they dont abuse it they can use it. Personaly I'm likeing his idea he isnt going out saying OMG I GOT TEH 100 BAZILLION MILLIONS NOOKz so just back off all of you.

IC.

The Holy Empire in a moment of ignorance to their isolationalism sends it's congradulations to the nation of Galash and hope they continue to meet with success in any research and experiments they look to perform to further advance their nation towards prosperity.

~Minister for Foreign kindness.

OOC:
While I have to agree with you in realistic facts, I'm only following what others (who are more experienced than myself) assumed as I don't want to be labelled a godmodder. However, when I look at it with my point of view, it seems that those who oppose him have reasons stemming in a form of fear that is common in modern diplomacy.

Paranoia.

While it may not be plausible for a small country to develop a nuclear arsenal, if they managed to do so, wouldn't bigger nations fear an attack (self-defense or otherwise)? There is too much at stake for them to sit still, that's why they question his ability to accomplish this development.

OOC:
While I have to agree with you in realistic facts, I'm only following what others (who are more experienced than myself) assumed as I don't want to be labelled a godmodder. However, when I look at it with my point of view, it seems that those who oppose him have reasons stemming in a form of fear that is common in modern diplomacy.

Paranoia.

While it may not be plausible for a small country to develop a nuclear arsenal, if they managed to do so, wouldn't bigger nations fear an attack (self-defense or otherwise)? There is too much at stake for them to sit still, that's why they question his ability to accomplish this development.

Fear an Attack yes but they would be scared of reprisals should they launch an attack...you think the US is going to step in on North Korea? The whole reason behind nuclear weapons now days is to say "Hey you want all out w ar? then find someone without the power to destroy millions in a blink of an eye." As much as I despise people pressing rules onto nations I really dont think nukes have any use anymore. But that istn to say we should jump on everyone just because they developed something.

OOC:
While I have to agree with you in realistic facts, I'm only following what others (who are more experienced than myself) assumed as I don't want to be labelled a godmodder. However, when I look at it with my point of view, it seems that those who oppose him have reasons stemming in a form of fear that is common in modern diplomacy.

Paranoia.

While it may not be plausible for a small country to develop a nuclear arsenal, if they managed to do so, wouldn't bigger nations fear an attack (self-defense or otherwise)? There is too much at stake for them to sit still, that's why they question his ability to accomplish this development.

OOC: If a roleplay action is well played out, well thought out, and well executed, I dont see why he couldn't develop nuclear weapons and nuclear technology. There is no "set" population one needs to develop nuclear technology. If it is well developed, even a new nation can do so. Jumping into the game and saying "I HAVE 5000000~0 n00ks!!!!1" is what should be avoided, and so far nothing Galash has done has warranted him NOT being able to develop nuclear technology. So long as he doesn't go overboard, I dont see any reason to object.

OOC:
Fear an Attack yes but they would be scared of reprisals should they launch an attack...you think the US is going to step in on North Korea? The whole reason behind nuclear weapons now days is to say "Hey you want all out war? then find someone without the power to destroy millions in a blink of an eye."

That's why I mentioned self-defense or otherwise, I know that. My idea was leaning more to opposing large imperialist nations who bully the small nation than that small nation itself attacking another.

If a roleplay action is well played out, well thought out, and well executed, I dont see why he couldn't develop nuclear weapons and nuclear technology. There is no "set" population one needs to develop nuclear technology. If it is well developed, even a new nation can do so.

Realistically, yes. I know. However, also realistically, it has economical implications. Maintenance of the arsenal (in maintaining a fresh warhead of weapons-grade uranium, the missle and the silo) is one as it ravages the nations' budget. I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was implausible.

((OOC: Nothing is really wrong with younger nations making WMD, save the fact that maintinence costs and production costs are extreemly high, and seeing his economy in its weak state and with a GDP messured in tens of billions, rahter than hudreds of billions or trillians, simple maintanance costs will suck up a rather large portion of his military budget every year. The 100 million population rule is more because thats how large you have to be in this game to support nuclear weapons. As for North Korea, they don't exactly have the most stable of economical structures, so using them as a model as to what your deffence distrubuition should be makes about as much sence as using Communist Russia at the height of the cold war as your socio-economic advisor. . . now that I'm babbleing I'll stop. . .))

*onboard the Roboto*

"Sir, there are reports of a new nation developing atomics, should we respond?"

"What? Anouther? Seems like we get three or four of these a day, send the fruit basket and our thanks and be done with it"

"aye sir"

A few hours a fruitbasket with Takian cheeses and fruits, Valinion Sausages and wine, and Swiss chocolate arives along with a note reading "welcome to the nuclear age, the Prince of Taka sends his congradulations at this occasion"

*edit* Blah, beat me to the punch

OOC:
Sorry, Taka. :P

I can't let myself look stupid in a debate for long.

your right he is way way way way way way way way to small to even be thinking about making nukes, plutonium bombs none the less. and I'm not saying i'm big enough either!

Ya they are way way to small, only I am saying im big enough to have nukes.

Possibly the fact that WMD can explode in the wrong place and squash your own country flat hasn't occured.

Frankly, we commend the Galashian development of nuclear weapons, especially as they're on our table of procurement too. If nations who's economies were 19th century industrialised at the time & geared for a total war can develop atomic bombs there's no reason a modern nation with an other 50 years of R&D to build on shouldn't develop them relatively quickly.
I also point out that it's extremely probable the Israelis' have a homegrown bomb with a low population and civil disturbances.
Also in reference to our own campaign to construct feasible atomics under the terms of the BSA agreement we effectively have the R&D budget of our entire region, all of which is currently going towards atomics as our current military is both feasible and affordable and uneeding of R&D. I'm not arguing that any tom, dick and harry should be waving nukes within days of starting to play, but we (Britmattia) started with Uranium and are militaristic, whereas our region partners, who rely on us for defense have economies capable of this kind of research. Also we don't have them *yet*, we're currently looking at deploying them next month along with the introduction of our fleet so we have platforms capable of launching them, something most people have ignored in nuclear weapon use in this game is that siloshangars can be identified and hit with special forces/precision bombing, where as you need to be able to *find* an SSBN to sink it. So again, we iterate our support for Galash.

While the Republic of Freedoonia does not relish the use of military force it also understands the need for a strong military to protect it's economic and political interests around the globe. Our country understands the Empire of Galash's desire to build such a weapon and would like to entreat the EG to create an alliance. We offer to share a viable delivery system for your weapon; the Republic of Freedoonia's extensive medium and long range missile technologies, to EG in exchange for access to the physics and engineering behind your Uranium-Plutonium bomb. We currently have had minimumal luck in creating such a device on our own.
If your technology proves viable, as you say it does, and our countries continue to show trust and mutual benefit toward each other, we then offer some of our country's ports as station for your military naval and marine forces. In exchange, we ask for the same facilities in your home state.
We both stand to project our independent powers respectively into regions of the world we did not have influence in before.

Are you willing to enter into such an alliance?

OOC: I think he's too small to be doing this. Here's why:

Simple, Hiroshima-type nukes - maybe. I can see a small nation getting its hands on something like those. A couple, probably no more than 5. They're cheap, they're dirty, and they aren't very big. More often then not these are gravity bombs.

But modern weapons, especially some brand-new type allegedy dreamt up by his scientists, no. Can't happen. Modern weapons need a delivery system to be effective and it's either manned intercontinental bombers or ICBMs, which are also pretty damn expensive. Mass-producing them and selling them worldwide is totally out of the question. A nation of 10 million people simply lacks the manufacturing and scientific capabilities to do it, not to mention the economic means - a project like this would take a huge chunk out of the nation's budget.

I also don't buy this line about being part of an empire but being in a state of decline. It must have been a hell of an empire to be 500 years old and only have 10 million people. Moreover, if it's in decline, where is it getting the massive amounts of cash from? I checked, and Galash's economy is "fragile".

In response to the international debates about whether Galash would have enough money for its declining economy to support the U-PANB development, Galash has stated that it "...had almost overlooked the size of its population in comparison to funds supporting Education, health, and U-PANB production." Galash stated that do to its shrinking economy (due in part to the amount of years Galash has been around) Galash has stated that the plans to go into mass production have been canceled. Galash has instead stated that it will only be developing 2 U-PANBs and keeping them in storage.