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OOC: I was to issue a public apology to Imitora for my behavior in this thread. I accused him of following me from another thread (here:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79347&highlight= ). He did not I was mistaken. I offer my deepest apologies.

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The Arrmy of Daistallia would like to purchase 50-100 light howitzers to be used by mountain infantry units.
Bid specifications:
Gunn: 105 mm Howitzer
Maximum weight: 1200 kg
Minimum Range (indirect): 10,000 m
Must be able to be broken down into a maximum of 12 mule or man pack loads.
Should be readily assembled in less than 20 minutes, 10 minutes preferred.
Should be capable of firing all standard available types of munitions.
Direct fire capacity is neccesary.
Anti-armor capacity is a plus.
No future tech will be considred. If it is not able to be manufactured withou leaps in technology, it will not be considered. (No ETC, gauss, EM, blasters, etc.)
Maximum unit cost: 200,000 USD
Production rights to the weapon also a bonus.

General Mon Kae, procurements, ISDA


OOC:
Please post a bid for the WHOLE PACKAGE.
Please do not post full stats or pictures. I know what a howitzer look likes, and don*t need to have this thread jammed up with a bunch of pics that take three minutes to load. Links to full data (including pictures and storefronts) are welcome.
If you can make a bid we welcome your business. If you want to advertise your latest wares, please do so on your own storefront.

Edited for additional details.

bump

actually, etc is perfectly plauisble now, and so are guass and rail weapons, however, a gaus/rail gun wouldnt be good for a howitzer.

actually, etc is perfectly plauisble now, and so are guass and rail weapons, however, a gaus/rail gun wouldnt be good for a howitzer.

You were unable to provide proof. Please do not hijacked another thread of mine with this same argument.

Um...I dont see how i hijacked, just saying that the stuff you say is future tech isnt...I pretty sure the US military is expierementing (dont know if they fielded it yet) an ETC gun on the Abrams, and at U Texas (Texas w00t w00t) they have a working rail gun that fires a projectile at 7km/s. If you do a search on the 'net, you'll find plenty of amature Gauss and Rail weapon projects. Im just saying, you could easily use stuff like you say you cant and stay modern tech. Although I'm a future tech nation, I can bang one of these out for you, with or with out ETC tech to fire teh gun, no problem, for around...50K a unit.

The Arrmy of Daistallia would like to purchase 50-100 light howitzers to be used by mountain infantry units.
Bid specifications:
Gunn: 105 mm Howitzer
Maximum weight: 1200 kg
Minimum Range (indirect): 10,000 m
Must be able to be broken down into a maximum of 12 mule or man pack loads.
Should be readily assembled in less than 20 minutes, 10 minutes preferred.
Should be capable of firing all standard available types of munitions.
Direct fire capacity is neccesary.
Anti-armor capacity is a plus.
No future tech will be considred. If it is not able to be manufactured withou leaps in technology, it will not be considered. (No ETC, gauss, EM, blasters, etc.)
Maximum unit cost: 200,000 USD
Production rights to the weapon also a bonus.

General Mon Kae, procurements, ISDA


OOC:
Please post a bid for the WHOLE PACKAGE.
Please do not post full stats or pictures. I know what a howitzer look likes, and don*t need to have this thread jammed up with a bunch of pics that take three minutes to load. Links to full data (including pictures and storefronts) are welcome.
If you can make a bid we welcome your business. If you want to advertise your latest wares, please do so on your own storefront.

Edited for additional details.

What I can offer is a bit different however close

105MM "Harriot" Howitzer
Weight: 1300 Kg
Range: 10.5 Km
Will take around a minimum of 20 minutes to setup for firing, with a 5 man crew (Gunner, Commander, Loader (2), Range and Communications)
Helicopter transportable
Takes around an hour but can be disassembled and transported by mule or other non-vehicular transport
With slight modification (Which can be done by crew) it can be positioned for direct or direct AT (Light) fire.
Can fire all Western artillery ammunition, modification may be needed to fire Soviet style artillery rounds

Price: $220,000

Um...I dont see how i hijacked, just saying that the stuff you say is future tech isnt...I pretty sure the US military is expierementing (dont know if they fielded it yet) an ETC gun on the Abrams, and at U Texas (Texas w00t w00t) they have a working rail gun that fires a projectile at 7km/s. If you do a search on the 'net, you'll find plenty of amature Gauss and Rail weapon projects. Im just saying, you could easily use stuff like you say you cant and stay modern tech. Although I'm a future tech nation, I can bang one of these out for you, with or with out ETC tech to fire teh gun, no problem, for around...50K a unit.

As well as ignoring, the OP, your following me around with this is bordering on what I consider harrassment. Please cease.

sheesh...try to be helpful and you get shit on. Whatever.

ELS-119 105mm Light Artillery Gun (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1635384#1635384)


The ELS-119 is a light weight air mobile air droppable (by parachute) or Towed Howitzer with an average crew of five soldiers. It provides direct and indirect fire support to highly mobile light infantry divisions and separate brigades. The howitzer can be quickly moved and employed to provide maximum fire power with a minimum of combat loaded weight. It also provides a low silhouette and requires no recoil pit. These aspects combined makes the Howitzer one of the most lethal weapon systems in the Elias Army inventory.

ELS-119 weights 4,000 pounds and the intended prime mover is the HMMV 4x4 although most similar vehicles can also tow it. The 119 is air transportable with its basic load of ammunition by the EA-24 (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824) helicopter. The gun fires all current 105-mm ammunition and increased range can be achieved with a rocket assisted projectile.

The gun is equpped with a digital fire control system that provided onboard ballistic computation, navigation, pointing and self-location, providing greater accuracy and faster reaction times. The program also included a laser ignition system, electric drives for the howitzer’s traverse and elevation and a powered projectile rammer.

Maximum Range:
14.5 km
21 km with rocket assisted projectiles

Dimensions
Length (folded position) 16 ft
Width 5 ft 10 in
Height (folded position) 4 ft 6 in
(with cannon tube locked in tube clamp) 7 ft 3 in

Rate of Fire:
Max: 7 rounds per min for 2 min
Sustained: 4 rounds per min for 30 min

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m119-20p.gif
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m119a1-1.jpg
http://www.defence.gov.au/army/equipment/images/Hamel.jpg
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/gallery/warminster/images/0123811.jpg

Truck Mounted Version

http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/rdm/rdm2.jpg

ELS-119A=160,000 Each.

ELS-119B=260,000 Each (truck mounted version)

sheesh...try to be helpful and you get shit on. Whatever.

:roll: Right. Ignoring the OP in order to push an agenda you are carrying from another unrelated thread is being helpful. :roll:

OOC:
Please post a bid for the WHOLE PACKAGE.
Please do not post full stats or pictures. I know what a howitzer look likes, and don*t need to have this thread jammed up with a bunch of pics that take three minutes to load. Links to full data (including pictures and storefronts) are welcome.
If you can make a bid we welcome your business. If you want to advertise your latest wares, please do so on your own storefront.


United Elias: that is twice your have done this to us. Please refrain from doing so again.

Daistallia: how can we make a proper bid without the full stats? i know you don't just want people cutting and pasting thier shop fronts but surely the main stats shouldn't be a problem.

Anyway a Crookfur bid (No ETC even though we already have working examples in a wide rnage of weapons including 30mm, just poiting this out and not critising as i fully understand your opinion on the matter, i'm the same with naval railguns).

Anyway:
The Crookfur H5 light howizer is a rahter advanced weapon, gaining a large reduction in weight and increases in reliability and rate of fire by using a ceramic lined reinforced composite barrel (real tech). The H5 can fire extended range rounds out to 23km and can fire a wide rnage of munitions including the M9 ATGM (originally a weapon designed for firing from my 105mm tank guns but it works well in indirect fire aswell)..
The only other vaguley next gen thing is the laser ignition system but these do exist and have been proved to work (basically they are more reliable and reduce the need for primer) a backup conventional firing mechanism can be supplied.

I can TG you more detailed stats but the final bid is $16million on 100 guns or $25million for 100 guns plus domestic production rights.

Daistallia: how can we make a proper bid without the full stats? i know you don't just want people cutting and pasting thier shop fronts but surely the main stats shouldn't be a problem.

OOC: Main stats plus a link to full stats and pics is no problem, full stats and pictures equals a strorefront spam IMHO. The bid you have posted is what we asked for. UEs I consider the later.

Anyway a Crookfur bid (No ETC even though we already have working examples in a wide rnage of weapons including 30mm, just poiting this out and not critising as i fully understand your opinion on the matter, i'm the same with naval railguns).

Anyway:
The Crookfur H5 light howizer is a rahter advanced weapon, gaining a large reduction in weight and increases in reliability and rate of fire by using a ceramic lined reinforced composite barrel (real tech). The H5 can fire extended range rounds out to 23km and can fire a wide rnage of munitions including the M9 ATGM (originally a weapon designed for firing from my 105mm tank guns but it works well in indirect fire aswell)..
The only other vaguley next gen thing is the laser ignition system but these do exist and have been proved to work (basically they are more reliable and reduce the need for primer) a backup conventional firing mechanism can be supplied.

I can TG you more detailed stats but the final bid is $16million on 100 guns or $25million for 100 guns plus domestic production rights.

IC: Best bid so far. We will keep the bidding open for other offers. Two questions: what is the weight? And how many loads does it break down to.

The H5 masses in at 1170kg and can be broken down into 12 loads as you requested (basically it's a gun i was planning but with the mounting adapted for your needs) the system is design from the ground up to be easily assembled/diassembled so with a trained team a 10 minute setup/breakdown time can be achieved (persoanlly i belive that with some smart thinking on the design this shouldn't be a problem esspecailly compared to the speed with which engineers can assemble bridges even when using old fashioned british stuff).

Sounds very good. Any competing bids?

I apologise I didnt read the top post only, anyway if youre still interested we can provie 90 ELS-119A for a price of 1.2 million.

Also whether you choose our howitzer or not we offer you a package
of:

1,800 EWO-A105 Artillery Submunition Rounds (www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74839)
400 EWO-105ER Extended Range Artillery Submunition Rounds (www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74839)

for 1,760,050 million dollars US.

I apologise I didnt read the top post only, anyway if youre still interested we can provie 90 ELS-119A for a price of 1.2 million.

Also whether you choose our howitzer or not we offer you a package
of:

1,800 EWO-A105 Artillery Submunition Rounds (www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74839)
400 EWO-105ER Extended Range Artillery Submunition Rounds (www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74839)

for 1,760,050 million dollars US.

:) Apology accepted. The ELS-119A did not quite meet our needs (as we posted on your storefront). The munitions bid will be considered.

We wish to contruct this weapon based on our current C3 95mm. It will meet or exceed all your requirements. It will fire all standard shells, or we can produce it to fire some unusual ones (uranium plated, etc). We can produce it to your budget. This will be a custom weapon based on the specs you have mentioned. Just give us the green light and we will start production. You can see our weapons here;

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83445&highlight=

:oops: Bumped to apologise for my mistake accusations against Imitora. :oops: