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I am planning a world war I RP, that will take place on RL Earth during the period 1910 (pre-WW1) to whenever it ends. I am looking for nations to fill the following roles:

German Empire - Attican Empire
France - EL CID THE HERO
Great Britain - Finnonicus
United States - Brydog
Russian Empire - FPC
Bolsheviks
Austro-Hungarian Empire - La Famiglia
Ottoman Empire - Vollmeria
Kingdom of Italy - McLeod03
Empire of Japan
Mexico - Alvarezistan
Serbia
Luxembourg - Phantomieux
and the various other states in existance at this time.

It is required that you have knowledge of the politics and military of this time period. Please post in the thread which nation you would like to represent, and I will verify it.

Also, please remember that what happens in this RP will NOT affect you in nationstates.

I'd like to take the Russian empire if possible. If not, I'd gladly take Canada or Austro-Hungarian empire.

Here's my e-mail:
first_legion@hotmail.com

Ill Take Great Britain, just email me with the details.

winnieisback@yahoo.com

Hmm. Will the war have to follow the course it historically took? And when will it start? Before the outbreak of hostilities, right after the first shots were fired in 1914, or the time of the US' entry?

Two things:

Canada was not an independant political entity during or before WW1. It was known as the Dominion of Canada, and was part of the British Empire.

It will be based around the time of WW1 and the politics, but the actions the nations take could be different, for instance, as Germany, I could attempt to reinstate the Triple Entente (Emperor's Alliance) with Russia, and Italy could, perhaps, NOT break from the Triple Entente, and fight with the Central Powers. It could start with Franz Ferdinands assassination, or not. Depends.

Here are current taken nations:

Attican Empire: German Empire

Finnocinus: British Empire (including India, Canada, GB, and vassals of England)

FPC: Russian Empire (remember, to RP correctly, that the Monarchy is in a state of turmoil, there has been widespread famine, and a few communist revolts. That is why Russia fell in 1917.)

you guys should get hearts of iron...

then download the WWI mod.

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/hearts.asp
http://hearts-of-iron.wargamer.com/

I love that game, but I am having trouble with it on my laptop....

Well still, Canada had some power and had it's own soldiers. Anyways, I'm happy to have Russia and I'll RP it correctly. Can't wait to have that Bolchevik revolution in 1917! :D

BTW, will it be possible to beat the Reds and keep the Tsar in place?

OOC: Well, the reason the reds were able to win is tricky. The Germans were obviously beating the Russians in Poland, and this demoralizing aspect, plus troubles at home, led to the revolt. Unlike previous revolts, the Czar no longer had the loyalty of his troops, and therefore, could not put down the revolt. The Whites (people loyal to the Czar) led a counter-revolt, but failed. Even the Cossacks refused to help the Czar.

If you were able to beat the Germans on the front (very unlikely), or if you rejoined in an alliance with the Germans, you might be able to continue the Russian monarchy.

Also, the Dom. of Canada's army was controlled by the King of Britain.

I want to be America

i will be France and i will follow plan 18 to defeat the germans if the time comes and telegram me with the info

Brydog / El Cid are you aware of WW1 history?

Yes

Brydog - So you are aware of American Neutrality?

Yes

Good. I don't want to see any posts like "American Troops land in France to fight off the evil German Empire" in the first year :)

Good. I don't want to see any posts like "American Troops land in France to fight off the evil German Empire" in the first year :)
LOL :lol:

yes i am but may i alter the french plan for war

I would like to be China.

o ya. Are we alowed to alter history like Spain invades France.

Lima Beans - request refused. You are a known godmodder...

El Cid - Remember, I might alter the Schlieffen Plan as well :)

rats. Even if I don't god mod youc an eject me the moment I do.

Because you would screw up whatever person took over the country after you.

Lima Beans - request refused. You are a known godmodder...

El Cid - Remember, I might alter the Schlieffen Plan as well :)

i know so if we both alter plan 17 and you alter the Schlieffen Plan we will be in the same position as if we did not :D

When is WWI going to start.

Can I be China then?

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Iwo Fiji - Aren't you just Lima Beans puppet????
Brydog - once the major powers are filled out.
El Cid - Depends on the alterations :)

ahhhhh well I'm not lima Beens and if I was that would be an ooc: reason.

ahhhhh well I'm not lima Beens and if I was that would be an ooc: reason.

ahhhhh well I'm not lima Beens and if I was that would be an ooc: reason.

ahhhhh well I'm not lima Beens and if I was that would be an ooc: reason.

This entire conversation is OOC, and I can bar you for an OOC reason; godmodding is OOC.

I'd like to be Bosnia if at all possible.

I -beleive- Bosnia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

yep, Bosnia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire

The RP will start once the major powers are filled out...

bump

You can take multiple nations if you so please... as long as you play them indepentently (no sacraficing one for the other, play as though it is a seperate nation.)

I also will be Italy

OOC: Are you classing Australia and New Zealand as part of the British Empire?

If so then i guess i'll have to be Italy (unless Brydog wants it), or the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

can I please be China?

You can have Italy, McLeod03

OOC: Cheers mate, i have know idea about the military capability of the A-H Empire, other than to say it was reasonably strong.

Iwo-Fiji, China was part of the British Empire as well!

McLeod is Italy (remember at this time, Italy was allied with Germany and Austro-Hungary, but switched in the middle of the war. You will have the choice as to switch or not.)

Hey Attica, can you still consider Canada has a somewhat eligible country? Canadian Prime minister at the time, Sir Wilfrid Laurier, was not obligated to send troops:

"However with the coming of war the Canadian government promptly sent a cable to England offering the services of Canadian troops. The offer was accepted a few days later; and preparations were immediately begun for the mobilization of a division of approximately 20,000 men."

At least just make me send numbers of soldiers and equipement to England. then, there, they will be controlled by the English.

Canada wasn't obligated to because England had other problems (Germany/Italy/Austro-Hungary/Ottomans). If the Canadians had not offered to at other times, they might have been invaded by Britain.

Also, Russia is more important than Canada...

AE - Yeah i know, i guess i'll just see whos winning, and copy the attacks against France.

Yes, good old italy, always dependable (cough).

Yeah, reminds me of the old phrase -

"Italian tanks are only fitted with two gears. Reverse and forward. Reverse for when the tanks are attacked, and forward in case they are attacked from behind"

you guys should get hearts of iron...

then download the WWI mod.

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/hearts.asp
http://hearts-of-iron.wargamer.com/

I love that game, but I am having trouble with it on my laptop....

Have HoI, have the Mod, Im Also kinda working on it:

C.V. Mannerheim

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hmm, how will the battles be done? Will there be a mod or someone neutral to do them or will we each do battles like other threads?

We will do battles like other threads. If I see something I think is godmodding... I will bring it up (I know about 19th/early 20th century warfare)

We still need the following great powers:

Austro-Hungarian Empire
Ottoman Empire
Empire of Japan
Mexico

Bump.

i will also be Ottoman Empire if at all possible

PS Do i have to side with Germany because the Ottomans only came into the war because Gemany would have invaded if it didn't. :!:

Would Luxembourg be an appropriate nation to RP or did it not exist? If it did, I would like to RP as Luxembourg.

El Cid: No, you don't... However remember that the British Empire doesn't want to ally with the Ottoman's either. And IF Germany allies with Russia and Austro-Hungary, the Ottoman's will have a LOT of trouble..

Storybook: Although Luxembour was independant, it has only recently ceded from the Netherlands, and when Germany invaded in 1914, they put up 0 resistance. If you want to RP it, know that you wil likely:

1. Have very little power
2. Be easily invaded

I will join as the Austro-Hungarian Empire if that's alright.

And was Mexico really much of a world power in WWI?

Can I please be Japan. If I god mod. I'll eb willing to quit nation states for 1 weeka nd this rp for ever.

Lima: I will consider it.

La Famiglia - Well, not really, the Germans telegrammed the Mexicans telling them 'If war breaks out between Germany and the US, Mexico attacks US. Then Germany will give the territories Mexico lost in the mexican-american war (texas, new mexico, california) back to Mexico.". This was called the Zimmerman note. So they COULD be a major power. BTW, the Mexicans declined.

thank you for considering a known god modder.

Can I please be Japan. If I god mod. I'll eb willing to quit nation states for 1 weeka nd this rp for ever.

please, PLEASE, type right. its not hard. go to school, it helps.

We still need more slots filled.

Whoever plays Serbia better do it damn well.

-Nik

Yah.

The idea of being the screen door amuses me. All things considered, they did put up a pretty good fight, although if they'd followed the Schlieffen Plan it'd have been over in a few hours instead of a few weeks. Plus, I don't have to factor in troop fatigue, with so little forced marching involved.
If you'd prefer to have Albert of Belgium be an NPC, though, I'd be just as happy taking the Arab Rebels or some other short-term unneccesary part. Gotta disappear for business for most of next week, so I can't be anything too fun.

Also, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the British made up the Zimmerman Telegram? I know Zimmerman himself confessed (as I have the Tuchman in the same room as the comp), but he was more or less a disgruntled secretary with a fancy title. Adding Japan into the mix seems even less rational than Mexico, and Germany didn't make bad screw-ups often in WWI.

Japan was in the war on the Allied side. Mexico CAN play a part, possibly. Depends on the player.

Ohhhh yeah, that's right, I had completely forgotten about the Zimmerman note. Ok, question answered.

So, uhh, anyways... can I be Austro-Hungary?

I already listed you down as it :O

sorry to bother you but have you decided if we can play Japan?

not yet...

Tell me:
What was the political status in japan
what kind of military did japan have
what powers did japan have close relations to
what powers did japan have bad relations to
what wars had japan recently faught in.

i would like to take the role of mexico plz !

Tell me:
What was the political status in mexico
what kind of military did mexico have
what powers did mexico have close relations to
what powers did mexico have bad relations to
what wars had mexico recently faught in.

the war the the Japaneese had most recently fought was the Russo-Japan war. Japan also had a strong navy etc. But especcally the navy where they had had a major victory over the russion fleet. The goverment in Japan was I bewilive ruled by the emperor. They got into the origninal world war 1 because Germany never left its pacific colonizes that Japan wanted. Back the Japan also controlled Korea and a bund of Aisa. That is all I know and as far as I know they didn't have good relations with anybody.

you guys should get hearts of iron...

then download the WWI mod.

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/hearts.asp
http://hearts-of-iron.wargamer.com/

I love that game, but I am having trouble with it on my laptop....

Have HoI, have the Mod, Im Also kinda working on it:

C.V. Mannerheim

I have both the mod as well as HoI and the mod doesnt work properly.

Snotman

I might be able to do the Ottoman empire. I know alot about the WW1 history so would keep it as historically correct as i can.
Or i could do Belgium, i'm from Belgium

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Are pictures allowed? Or does any of you have probs with that?

Can i have Serbia or Belgium? Those are my two favorites for this RP.

Russia-Ask FPC.
Vollmeria - Pictures are not allowed -yet.- You can have Ottamans. They are generally more important..

Russia-Ask FPC.
Vollmeria - Pictures are not allowed -yet.- You can have Ottamans. They are generally more important..
Their empire fell after the war :D

Because they were on the losing side :)

I'll be Serbia

Double post, sorry

Yes I shall take Luxembourg despite their weakness and minimal resistance. Thank you.

I shall agree to RP as Luxembourg, Storybook Land is just one of my pawns. I decided to use my older nation and the nation that has Luxembourg as it's RP claim. So do not list Sorybook Land, list Phantomieux. Thank you.

P.S. If you really want me to, I can send a message through Storybook Land to verify it.

K, you are added as Luxembourg.

bump

can i be the Ottoman Empire as well as france :?:

soc an I be Japan?

El Cid - dunno yet.

Lima - No.

thank you for answering I'll leave you alone now.

Can I be Vladimir Lenin?
Lenin and the Bolsheviks should be a force independent of Tsarist Russia, and his goals in the war is the overthrow of the Allied Tsars and therefore he could also make pacts with the Central Powers (just like in real life when the Germans shipped him into Russia for the purpose of formenting revolution and undermining the Tsarist government).

Russia-Ask FPC.
Vollmeria - Pictures are not allowed -yet.- You can have Ottamans. They are generally more important..

Very well, i'll do the Ottoman empire.

The German's did no such thing, actually. In fact, William (Wilhelm) and Nicholas were good friends (Willy and Nicky).

Nicholas offered amnesty to political exiles in Nov. 1906, which is when Lenin returned.

ooc: sorry to gate crash ur RP but are their any shops for surplus WWI tanks such as whippets etc as, i would like to purchase some more and lost the link.

The German's did no such thing, actually. In fact, William (Wilhelm) and Nicholas were good friends (Willy and Nicky).


However they were at war. Even though they were cousins, they were forced to separate personal friendships in order to each pursue the goal of victory.

The German high command helped Lenin in the Communist Revolution, since the Communists promised that they would take Russia out of the war and thus relieve Germany's eastern flank. Even though in doing so, Wilhelm's government would undermine the Romanov ruling family and the Kaiser's own cousin.

You may note that the timing of Lenin's April 1917 incursion into Russia was for the purpose of overthrowing Kerensky and not Nicholas II (since Nicholas already lost his throne in March), however Kerensky was much more lenient toward the Romanov family than the communists, so Lenin's journey undoubtedly hurt Wilhelm's cousin and helped the Germans.

Nicholas offered amnesty to political exiles in Nov. 1906, which is when Lenin returned.

Actually Lenin was in Switzerland from 1907 to to 1917. The Germans provided a "sealed train" to return the exiled V. I. Lenin back to Russia in 1917 to overthrow the Allied government. When Lenin finally triumphed and the Bolsheviks took power, Russia immediately withdrew from the war, so it was in the short term a positive thing for the German Empire.

"Lenin returned to Russia for the 1905 Revolution, but was forced to flee to Switzerland in 1907. Ten years later, the Germans secretly provided a closed train for Lenin to reenter Russia, where he worked to secure power. He succeeded in overthrowing the Kerensky government and in October 1917, the Bolsheviks launched a revolution against the provisional Russian government."

From: http://www.multied.com/Bio/people/Lenin.html

It is required that you have knowledge of the politics and military of this time period.

In fact, William (Wilhelm) and Nicholas were good friends (Willy and Nicky).
And I suppose you're on good terms with all your cousins?
If Kaiser Wilhelm had trusted Nicholas, don't you think he would have followed the Schlieffen Plan instead of tripling the number of troops it called for on the eastern front? And that was before Russia declared war on Germany, too. If either one'd began massing troops on the border AFTER the other had declared war, then you would have wiggle-room, but this is just plain assninity.

Wilhelm II wasn't the one who modified the Schlieffen plan. The current Chief of the General Staff (cannot recall name) modified it.

And did I ever state that Wilhelm TRUSTED Nicholas?

The German's did no such thing, actually. In fact, William (Wilhelm) and Nicholas were good friends (Willy and Nicky).


However they were at war. Even though they were cousins, they were forced to separate personal friendships in order to each pursue the goal of victory.

The German high command helped Lenin in the Communist Revolution, since the Communists promised that they would take Russia out of the war and thus relieve Germany's eastern flank. Even though in doing so, Wilhelm's government would undermine the Romanov ruling family and the Kaiser's own cousin.

You may note that the timing of Lenin's April 1917 incursion into Russia was for the purpose of overthrowing Kerensky and not Nicholas II (since Nicholas already lost his throne in March), however Kerensky was much more lenient toward the Romanov family than the communists, so Lenin's journey undoubtedly hurt Wilhelm's cousin and helped the Germans.

Nicholas offered amnesty to political exiles in Nov. 1906, which is when Lenin returned.

Actually Lenin was in Switzerland from 1907 to to 1917. The Germans provided a "sealed train" to return the exiled V. I. Lenin back to Russia in 1917 to overthrow the Allied government. When Lenin finally triumphed and the Bolsheviks took power, Russia immediately withdrew from the war, so it was in the short term a positive thing for the German Empire.

"Lenin returned to Russia for the 1905 Revolution, but was forced to flee to Switzerland in 1907. Ten years later, the Germans secretly provided a closed train for Lenin to reenter Russia, where he worked to secure power. He succeeded in overthrowing the Kerensky government and in October 1917, the Bolsheviks launched a revolution against the provisional Russian government."

From: http://www.multied.com/Bio/people/Lenin.html

It is required that you have knowledge of the politics and military of this time period.

Encarta says differently. As does World Book.

Encarta says differently. As does World Book.


http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761562790_1____12/Lenin_Vladimir_Ilich.html#s12

Lenin was determined [in 1917] to return to Russia to incite further developments in the revolutionary movement and his own Bolshevik Party. His efforts to return home were thwarted by the French and Italian governments, which refused to let him pass through their countries because they feared that his presence in Russia would threaten the Allied war effort. However, Lenin received assistance from the German authorities, who hoped that his return would promote further political unrest in Russia and thereby help Germany win the war. The Germans sent Lenin to Petrograd in a famous sealed train that ensured his safety as he crossed through Germany, Sweden, and Finland. He arrived in his country’s capital in early April.

Lenin played an independent and highly influential part in WWI because his revolution caused Russia to withdraw from the war, thus freeing up Germany's eastern flank.

But, you are forgetting - what if Russia sided with Germany? FPC already stated that he would represent Russia, including the political instability.

Wilhelm II wasn't the one who modified the Schlieffen plan. The current Chief of the General Staff (cannot recall name) modified it.

And did I ever state that Wilhelm TRUSTED Nicholas?
So we're in agreement that, even if the heads of state are related, it doesn't mean the countries wouldn't be blatantly hostile to eachother?

I think I'm nearing the edge of pissing off Attican, and Schism's well past that barrier.

So if you aren't interested in WW1 roleplaying, and are only interested in pissing me off, why are you here?

But, you are forgetting - what if Russia sided with Germany? FPC already stated that he would represent Russia, including the political instability.

Regardless of how Russia and Germany act in the RP, an independently controlled Lenin will add a very interesting angle to the game, since his aims are actually not Russian victory.

-fine- the communists can have their own player.

So if you aren't interested in WW1 roleplaying, and are only interested in pissing me off, why are you here?
Well, that confirms it. Guess I overestimate most people.
I thought we were having a debate on established historical facts (with cites on Schism's part, something neither of us bothered with), but if that equates to no longer wanting to RP in your mind, something tells me I wouldn't want to.

When did I say I wanted to debate on historical facts? This is supposed to be a war RP, not a historical debate.

We still need an Ottoman Empire

and Japan.

Japan played little role in WW! in reality.

We still need an Ottoman Empire

YOU ALREADY HAVE IT

Whoops... sorry...ok... i guess we can start if all of the major powers are ready?

Whoops... sorry...ok... i guess we can start if all of the major powers are ready?

no problem, tell me when you want to start and i'll be there.

One more thing: the Ottoman empire was neutral until Germany send the Breslau and the Goeben, so i have no side until someone convinces me to join his. Is that ok or am i a central power from the beginning?

We are starting in around 1908, basically, very few people have sides.... I -beleive- the triple alliance (france/britain/russia) was around, as was the triple entente (germany/austria/italy)

Ooh, can I have Mexico?I've always wanted to see what would happen if they actually accepted the Zimmerman telegram's proposal?

Sure.

IC:
Late 1908
In the Sanssouci Palace in Potsdam, Kaiser William II reads letters.
Then, Bernhard von Bulow walks in. Recently, he released an unedited statement by the Kaiser that alienated Britain, France, Russia, and Japan.
Bulow: 'You wished to see me, mein Kaiser?'
Wilhelm: 'Sit down.'
Bulow: 'Ja?'
-Wilhelm hands Bulow the Telegraph-
Bulow: 'And? You requested that I have it published.'
Wilhelm: 'But, it blackens me name. Since when are things I write not to be edited if they might cause danger to the state? Just let it be known you have lost support with me. You may leave.'
-Bulow leaves.-
-Tirpitz enters.-
Wilhelm: 'Yes, von Tirpitz?'
Tirpitz: 'I request your permission to begin construction of a new ship.'
Wilhelm: 'What kind of ship?'
Tirpitz: 'Something to compete with the HMS Dreadnaught'
Wilhelm: 'And something to further strain our relations with Grossbritanien...'
Tirpitz: 'If they see we can defeat their navy, they will be less likely to engage in any form of combat with us.'
Wilhelm: 'I will take it into consideration. Will that be all?'
Tirpitz: 'Also, just a suggestion, is that we hold a royal banquet in the palace, and invite the British and Russian monarchs, hopefully in order to improve relations.'
Wilhelm: 'I will take that into consideration as well. Is that all?'
Tirpitz: 'Yes, mein Kaiser.'
Wilhelm: 'Good. Dismissed.'

OOC: Bump?

America is being america. The people are living a good life.

the nation of france wishes to send a ambassorder to the meeting and would also like to discuss alsace-lorraine

OOC: The Kaiser hasn't announced the banquet yet.

IC:

Telegrams:

To: King George V of Great Britain
CC: Czar Nicholas II of Russia
CC: Emperor Toshihito of Japan (I will RP Japan temporarily)
CC: President Poincaré of France
CC: King Leopold II of Belgium
CC: Emperor Franz Josef I of Austria-Hungary
CC: King Vittorio Emanuele III of Italy
CC: All the other royalty... even the royalty of Hawaii!

I, Kaiser William II, King of Prussia and German Emperor, cordially invite you to a banquet at Sanssouci Palace in Potsdam.

Signed:
William II of Prussia

I -beleive- the triple alliance (france/britain/russia) was around, as was the triple entente (germany/austria/italy)

i saw your thread, and thought i might add my knowledge.....

one that bits the other way round (entente being a french word, and all....)

secondly, china should be free if anyone wants it, because the british bit was burma, (myanmar now), which is/was a very small part of it.....

thirdly the triple entente was formed in 1907, to combat the triple alliance, so they are both in existence by 1908....

and finally, to Alvarezistan, i just wanted to make sure you realised the Zimmerman telegram was sent early 1917, late into the war....

so can I be Japan.

Yes, I reversed Alliance and Entente. Verzeihung.

I really doubt China in any way could play a major political role.

You are correct. The Triple Entente (France/Britain/Russia) was already in place, as was the Triple Alliance (Germany/Austria/Italy).

Also, that doesn't mean that in RP I will send the Zimmerman Note so late...

Yes, I reversed Alliance and Entente. Verzeihung.

I really doubt China in any way could play a major political role.

You are correct. The Triple Entente (France/Britain/Russia) was already in place, as was the Triple Alliance (Germany/Austria/Italy).

Also, that doesn't mean that in RP I will send the Zimmerman Note so late...

1 k...

2 very true....

3 im always correct :D (most definitely jk)

4 also very true...

*tag* because this shows real promise

RP as a nation then :) We need more players.

so why not let me be Japan?

i could do.....i dont know much about the WW1 military...i know what there was but i fear i might be godmodding too much :oops:

ill check what free countries there are still.....although whether i find one or not i might take belgium as a (second) country, because id like to see what happens....assuming i get invaded.....

well enough of me chatting :) , ill post when i find some country....

Because I have never seen you do a good high text dialogue filled war RP.

IC:

From: Emperor Toshihito
To: Kaiser Wilhelm II

I would be most delighted to attend this banquet. Expect my ship to arrive in Bremen in one week.

OK....given consideration of what i can actually do, I will play Belgium....

seeing as all the big nations are taken, which is probably best for me, if there are any other small roles like Serbia that we find we need someone to play when we get there, if noone else wants to i'll take them on, but for now - can I be Belgium??

Sure. I revised my telegram post.

Telegrams:

CC: King Leopold II of Belgium

I, Kaiser William II, King of Prussia and German Emperor, cordially invite you to a banquet at Sanssouci Palace in Potsdam.

Signed:
William II of Prussia

Telegram:

CC: King William of Prussia
(OOC - i though Prussia was dissolved 1871? or is it just a title?)

Thank you for this generous invite. I would be delighted to attend this banquet in Potsdam, but I request information on when this banquet is to be held. Perhaps this banquet could help sure up what is happening in Europe, with the confusion of Alliances springing up.

Signed:
King Leopold II of Belgium.

OOC sorry for the delay there

OOC: It's William II

Telegram:
CC: King Leopold II of Belgium

It will be held within the week.

OOC2: You are aware that Leopold dies in a year?

OOC: It's William II

Telegram:
CC: King Leopold II of Belgium

It will be held within the week.

OOC2: You are aware that Leopold dies in a year?

Telegrams:

To:
CC: All the other royalty... even the royalty of Hawaii!

now the Kingdom of Hawaii could be pretty cool to play :wink: not much action tho 8)

OOC: It's William II

Telegram:
CC: King Leopold II of Belgium

It will be held within the week.

OOC2: You are aware that Leopold dies in a year?

1 oops...sorry there

2 thanks

3 well i am now, but never mind, i am sure i can sort stuff out :) have some cool death post......or just go "meh, his son is in charge - looks the same, thinks the same, but has an extra I on his name" 8)

OOC: His son had a different name.

The Tsar of all Russias would be delighted to attend the evening. When shall it be?

About a week.

Can we come.
The President of The United States of America.

Yes, President Theodore Roosevelt (who is going to have an election next year), you may come.

(Bump)

Telegram: Kaiser William II

I, Grand Duke Guillaume IV of Luxembourg would be delighted to attend this banquet. We are wonderfully joyous to finally be recognized as a power and will not pass up an oppurtunity to represent the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.

~Guillaume IV~
*Grand Duke of Luxembourg*

OOC: One week passes... the banquet is occuring.

Kaiser Wilhelm walks over to the Russian's.

Tirpitz walks over to the British.

OOC: One week passes... the banquet is occuring.

Kaiser Wilhelm walks over to the Russian's.

Tirpitz walks over to the British.

OOC are we assuming that we have all arrived at the banquet then? and when i said the thing about leopold II dying, i meant that i might decide that just because leopold dies, my stance may not change.....

OOC Soory i was not around when the invitation was posted but just assume that accept the invitation and we are there.

Sultan Hamid II watches as Tirpitz walks over to the British, he waits a second and watches the Russians, his diplomatical problems with the Tzar in the Armenia case makes him decide to walk over to the British delegation being adressed by Tirpitz, 2 strong European parties that he wants as friends.

OOC assuming I have arrived also....

IC King Leopold enters the room, and heads immediately towards the various heads of state of the more powerful countries. All too aware of the fact that Belgium is sandwiched between two very large, very strong alliances, he has arrived fully prepared for the task of suring up his position, and ensuring neutrality in case of European conflicts. Seeing a small but growing crow of Kings, ambassadors and aides forming around Tirpitz and the rulers of Britain and the Ottoman Empire, he strides off, anxious but confident of his position, to immerse himself in conversation with these three countries.

Grand Duke Guillaume IV arrives at the royal banquet unaccompanied and proceeds to the buffet table. He heads directly to the Beluga caviar and tastes the bitter substance. He then goes to the bar, "A glass of your finest Merlot", he orders and promptly swirls the glass around and takes a sip. The Grand Duke was certanily pleased to be invited to an event of such prestige.

President Poincaré entered the banquet hall, eyes fixed on the German deligation. The shame of Alsace lorraine had remained a forn in the countries side, he decided that the banquet was a good place to patch up family relations and to discuss Alsace lorraine.

Emperor Franz Josef I was in attendance of the banquet-of course, with the leaders of certain... "problem nations" in attendance, he made sure that he had a few bodyguards in attendance. His two main guards followed him, but about ten other guards were stationed around the banquet hall, posing as "delegates" in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

He saw it as an excellent chance to improve relations with his allies, not to mention gain information on the entente-everyone would be more relaxed than usual at this banquet, and therefore less aware of when seemingly careless talk was just giving someone else vital-and often very confidential-information. This wasn't the point of his visit-his main concern was to make sure that more problems didn't occur, and that if one did break out, his allies would be willing to assist his empire if neccessary.

With the European future in question, it was vital that no conflicts should occur-after all, he wouldn't want to leave his successor Ferdinand with the weight of the problems on his shoulders...

President Theodore Roosevelt comes in with two Sercet Service agents.

OOC: Where is Britain and Russia!

As Japan: The Japanese Emperor walks over to the Kaiser and says 'Thank you for your glorius hospitality at this event! The Emperor also hands the Kaiser a paper.

The Kaiser opens the paper, and it says briefly 'We would like to discuss an alliance, later today.'

The Kaiser neatly folds the paper and puts it in his pocket. Tirpitz sees the event and walks over to Wilhelm.

Tirpitz: 'What did he want?'
Wilhelm: 'He wanted to discuss a possible alliance with us.'
Tirpitz: 'Excellent. They have an impressive navy'.
Wilhelm: 'Aye, but it might strain our relations with Russia as well.'

Then, the Kaiser walks over and pulls Leopold away from the croud and asks him a question:

'If war breaks out, would the German Empire's army be able to use Belgium as a staging point? Your nation will be rewarded handsomely if so.'

The President talks to talk about the Rough Riders and other stories of his.

Tirpitz walks over to Roosevelt.

'I wish you luck in the upcoming election, Herr Roosevelt.'

(OOC In RL he didn't run again, but if had, he would have won hands down.)

Thank you

Wilhelm breaks away from the Belgian king for a moment, and asks Roosevelt:

'Germany would be interested in purchasing Puerto Rico. Is there any chance of this occuring?'

no

'Why not?'

OOC: Seriously, why not? The U.S. isn't doing anything with it.

I wish to keep America the same

'What about Cuba?'

OOC: You aren't acting like Teddy :o. The USA technically did NOT own Cuba, but had basic sovereignty over it.

Josef recognized Tirpitz, and went over to him. He began to spoke in fairly accurate German.

Josef: I know that the Kaiser has a lot of trust in you. Therefore, I must ask you to give him this message. As you know, we've had a lot of problems recently with the Serbs-I'm afraid they may try to start an armed rebellion against our empire. Of course, the second we retaliate, Russia will use that as an excuse to invade us-they've been waiting for that moment for quite a while now. So I ask you to send this message to the Kaiser-should Serbia act against the Austro-Hungarian Empire, will the Germans provide assistance in case of a Russian counter-attack?
Tirpitz: Do you really think the Russians would do such a thing?
Josef: I know not if they have anything planned, but our current relations are very poor. They know our relations with Serbia are very poor. for all I know, they could be plotting against the empire right now!!
Tirpitz: Well... I'll be sure to pass the message on to the Kaiser.
Josef: Thank you very much... also let him know I'll be negotiating with the Bulgarians... hopefully they will be able to provide some assistance should a military action be neccessary.

The Russian Tsar enters the german room a little late. He goes to see the Kaiser:

"Thank you for your kind invitation. YOu country is beautiful and I cannot wait to fully start this well started evening."

Then, he looks for the Serbian president.

OOC: who is Serbia? and could you talk to the tsar?

OOC: We have no Serbia yet :(

Kaiser Wilhelm talks to Tsar on the side:

'I would like to reorganize the Emperor's Alliance that we had years ago with Bismarck.'

King Leopold decided that he had engaged in idle chit-chat long enough. He needed a spoken agreement at least from the German and French delegations that they would keep Berlgium neutral. He didn't want to see Belgian forces engaged in battle, against either side, but these days countries saw smaller countries as mere obstacles, places to be conquered or abused. Africa was a perfect example of the disregard countries had for lesser nations.

He approaches the French monarch, and starts by trying to flesh out the political views of the King.

"Your majesty, if I may. I was just wondering if you would be so kind as to air your opinions of the two alliances. Could I have your word that you would keep them restricted to words. Or will Europe being seeing one grand army soon in the future?"

ooc: Finnonicous is supposed to be Britain

The Sultan walks over to the Austia-Hungarian monarch, Hamid II wanted to bring back the old empire and the double monarchy was an important part of such a plan.
Hamid II: "good evening herr Josef, can we discuss our mutual problems in the Balkan? I think that, if we cooperate, we can bring back order to the region"
"Offcourse this would mean that these are nolonger independent states, you can have Serbia, Montenegro, Rumania while we take Bulgaria and Greece, we could split up Albania"

OOC: France doesn't have a monarch, they have a president.

IC: Wilhelm steps up to the podium, amidst all of these conversations.

'I would like to raise a toast to Admiral Tirpitz this evening, for he was the one that organized this wonderful banquet. -crowd claps for Tirpitz-. As you most likely already know, there is French Wine to the left, German Meat to the Right, Hungarian Salads near the entrance, among other delicacies in the room this evening. Have a great stay.' The Kaiser steps down.

OOC: France doesn't have a monarch, they have a president.

OOC doh! all the history lessons, and i still forgot that!

IC: Wilhelm steps up to the podium, amidst all of these conversations.

'I would like to raise a toast to Admiral Tirpitz this evening, for he was the one that organized this wonderful banquet. -crowd claps for Tirpitz-. As you most likely already know, there is French Wine to the left, German Meat to the Right, Hungarian Salads near the entrance, among other delicacies in the room this evening. Have a great stay.' The Kaiser steps down.

IC The Belgium Monarch rases his glass toward King Wilhelm, and adds to those willing to listen to him over the hubbub "To good food, to good health, and to good diplomacy!"

He heads off to the buffet, while keeping an eye on Wilhelm, Tirpitz and the French President (Clemenceau?), knowing all too well that before it was too late, he must speak to them all.

King Leopold decided that he had engaged in idle chit-chat long enough. He needed a spoken agreement at least from the German and French delegations that they would keep Berlgium neutral. He didn't want to see Belgian forces engaged in battle, against either side, but these days countries saw smaller countries as mere obstacles, places to be conquered or abused. Africa was a perfect example of the disregard countries had for lesser nations.

He approaches the French monarch, and starts by trying to flesh out the political views of the King.

"Your majesty, if I may. I was just wondering if you would be so kind as to air your opinions of the two alliances. Could I have your word that you would keep them restricted to words. Or will Europe being seeing one grand army soon in the future?"

President Poincaré put his glass of wine onto the table, "I would say that the Entente and the Alliance can co-exist and that a united Europe would be a great thing"

he look around to make sure that no one else is listening "off the recored Europe will have no peace as long as Germany is led by a war mongering kaiser and France will not rest until we gain are honour back by regaining alsace-lorraine"

President Poincaré moves back into a relaxed position "so are you enjoying the evening"

Wilhelm walks over to the Belgian monarch, and pulls him aside.

'If war was to break out in Europe, you would like to see it end quickly, correct?;

Wilhelm walks over to the Belgian monarch, and pulls him aside.

'If war was to break out in Europe, you would like to see it end quickly, correct?;

Grand Duke Guillaume sits down on a comfortable red linen chair and observes the crowd. "These leaders with their large empires and armies truly are magnificent", he thinks to himself as he sips upon his Merlot.

OOC: this is La Famiglia... sorry, I accidentially posted as one of my puppet nations... >_<

Josef pondered the offer from Hamid II, then responded:

"I do not think a military action should be used in the inclusion of these nations into our empires. We must keep our forces strong in the event of war-therefore, I say we support these nations diplomatically, become their allies, and hopefully integrate them into our empires like you said. My concerns are with Montenegro, Rumania, Serbia, and Greece... Greece is leaning towards the side of the Entente, and rumania and Montenegro will do whatever Russia tells them... Of course, we've been having problems with the Serbs. I don't even know where to begin with them.

But let us make treaties with these nations, it will eventually give us stronger additions to the empires."

Josef went on with the banquet, thinking about what the future held for the Austro-Hungarian Empire. "If were were to break out in Europe," he thought to himself, "we'd be hit from all sides... England and France from the west, the Russians from the north and east, French colonists from the south... the south!!" He came across an idea that may help the Triple alliance in the event of war. Most of the shipments of goods and supplies from Africa stopped in Malta, an island off the coast of Sicily. If Austro-Hungary controlled this small island, they could close off one of the major supply routes for the Entente. Malta was owned by Britain-it was small and had no real military. Perhaps he could persuade them into selling it to the Austro-Hungarian Empire? He began to plan an offer for Malta... perhaps he was thinking too far into the future-a war may not even break out. But it was better to be safe now than sorry later.

OOC: Attica, could I control Serbia? Thanks in advance.

IC:

The russian tsar walked up to the English king:

"My friend, how are you doing? I need to talk to you about pressing matters. You do know that the Austro-Hungarian empire has been pushing around my ally, Serbia. In the event where it would be invaded, you know that I would rush to help. However, this would also mean the involvement of Germany helping out the Austrian-Hungarian empire.

What I ask of you is to make a treaty between you and me and perhaps France and other important countries where we wouldn't let this little country be pushed by a even bigger one. What do you think?"

OOC: FPC; you are already part of the Triple Entente with France and Britain. Yes, you can control Serbia.

Hamid didnt know what to think of the Austro-Hungarian answer, Greece would never make a treaty with the Ottomans, and the Serbs wanted to create a Greater Serbia with provinces that were under Austro-Hungarian rule.
His Empire was neutral, making it a bit easier to approach both sides, he decided to step up to the French president and asked him:

"How would you feel about a treaty between us?"

Wilhelm walks over to the Belgian monarch, and pulls him aside.

'If war was to break out in Europe, you would like to see it end quickly, correct?;

"Oh, I would most definitely like to see a war end quickly. Why? Have you some plan in the making? Something that would ensure no risk to my people?"

"Well, I personally do not trust the French, they have been sore about Alsaice-Lorraine for a long time. However, if war did break out, the shortest route out of the war would be a quick capture of France. That is why, if war did break out, I ask that you allow German troops to travel thru Belgium, without resistance. If you do so, any damage incurred will be paid for by the German government."

"But my dear Kaiser, I couldn't possibly allow this. I mean, this would be asking me to allow passage through neutral territory - it would require me to favour you in this conflict, and it would require me to break our neutrality by permitting active military movements. I can hardly contemplate why you would want me to surrender neutrality to the possibility of war. Would not a better course of action be to simply go to France? You have over a hundred miles of border with them, surely enough to march an army through. It's not that Belgium supports this war, but hides from it - its just that I can't stop a conflict, I merely have to deflect it from Belgium. Please, that is why I have brought this...."

He pulls out a document, folded neatly. At its letterhead is written in Caligraphic black inc:

A certification of the neutrality of Belgium and its colonies, should war occur between European or African states

"Please, Kaiser, I beg you, place your name on this document. Quite simpy it means you promise that Belgium will be neutral and not included in any wars or violence between countries. Just say that you would not even mention having German troops in Belgium. That is all I ask...except that, following a positive outcome from my proposed "Alliance of Neutral Countries", you would extend this agreement to any and every country which signs the AoNC Pact, unless they have personally attacked Germany or its direct Allied nations, should a conflict occur."

He hands the document to the Kaiser, to be read by him.

"As you know, the border we do share with them is thick forest. Not excellent for infantry fighting. If the French to mean to recover Alsaice-Lorraine, they will likely violate Belgian independence themselves in order to surround Alsaice-Lorraine, as THIS map shows. I implore you to reconsider your decision. It would not be violation of neutrality, just a formal treaty of passage."

The Russian tsar walks up to the Serbian president. He begins to speak words in his ear so that no one can hear them:

"Friend, the Austro-Hungarians are ever on the war path with you. I believe that they could at all times attack you. However, they do know that doing so, I would immidiately come in and defend you. Then, the Germans would go straight to the help of Austria-Hugnary but the English and the French would counter balance in the West.

So, to prevent you "possible" attack and overrunning, I shall send 15,000 soldiers to the border you share with the Austro-Hungarian empire."

Serbian president : "Thank you beloved tsar. I shall never forget this."

OOC: Do we have a serbian player?

OOC: Do we have a serbian player?

OOC yeah, FPC is playing Serbia as a second country. I might take the Netherlands, if thats OK....it would benefit my upcoming RP, which involves them in particular.....or shall someone else taken them on?

OOC: Dunno yet. Reply to my IC comment.

"But, Wilhelm. I cannot imagine they would do this. It would be an act of self-assassination. If they moved troops into Belgium, we would be forced to declare war on them. I cannot imagine that no European country would miss out on a lucrative chance to act on such a violent breach of neutrality. If you were to march through Belgium, you would be committing such an act of self-assassination. I mean, can you really say truthfully to me that marching your troops through Belgium to stop French troops marching through Belgium is justifiable, yet French troops marching into my realm is not??? Please, it is only for the best that you sign this document."

"I am just saying, who would you rather move thru Belgium, the French who raped your women during the Napoleonic Conquest, or the Germans? Plus, if France means to start a world war, then they would have no reason NOT to start it by neutrality violation."

I want to be mexico. Please pick me.

"Who would I rather move through Belgium? Well, if you mean militarily.....then I have to choose neither. I would not accept any state to mobilise troops through Belgium to further their own ends. Let me put this into perspective. Would you allow a neutral country like.....say....Norway....to march troops through Germany in order to attack a country the other side, say Italy, subjecting your own citizens to the chaos of living in the middle of the battle that would naturally happen when Italy realised what was happening, and did the likewise with their military? Would you really sit back and watch as your own land became the battleground between two countries you had no alliance with?"

I want to be mexico. Please pick me.

I think Mexico is taken....

"How about this. What if Germany purchased lands in southern Belgium, and sold Belgium lands in northern Germany?"

I want to be mexico. Please pick me.

OOC Japan and the Bolsheviks are free, plus the countries not on the list....

"You would ask me to sell my people to the highest bidder, in return for more people from theirs? Well that would be as moral as restoring the slave trade. One must admire your determination, Kaiser, but I did not come to this grand banquet with the intention of giving up my neutrality, or my people. I came here to preserve it, and to ensure it lasted. And I will point out, now that I remember, that the Ardennes which obscure your frontier with France also obscures much of our French border.

Would it really be that bad to sign something merely saying you will leave Belgium out of a war?"

"Please, just let me show you my proposition." The Kaiser gestures to his quarters.

"Leopold lingers for a few seconds, wondering why the Kaiser would be showing him something in his personal quarters, as opposed to a conference or war room. Assuming that the Kaiser merely meant to whow him to a Study in a private wing of the palace, he follows closely behind the Kaiser, letting him lead the way."

The Kaiser and Leopold enter the Kaiser's personal study.

"Welcome to mein Reich."

The Kaiser takes out two documents, apparently maps.

"Now this is the current political map of Europe."

http://www.kuattech.com/1908map.gif

"And this is what I am proposing."

http://www.kuattech.com/1908amap.gif

"As you can see, the amount of land exchanged would be minimal, and, in fact, you gain land in the process. And, as you said, the southern regions of Belgium are sparsely inhabited, as far as I know, and that region of Germany has a strong Belgian culture."

OOC: I beleive in real life, Leopold would have been thrilled by this offer, which would undoubtebly have offered full German protection of Belgian neutrality.

I want to be mexico. Please pick me.

OOC Japan and the Bolsheviks are free, plus the countries not on the list....

OOC: the Bolsheviks will be roleplayed by me.

"I must admit this is a most intriguing offer. You would be willing to offer several million Germans in exchange for passage through a region which would offer no better advantage to going through your own frontier with France. Yet I feel an irresistable pull that this is not good. I cannot deny that I really very much like this offer, and you have given me a sudden feeling of want for that area of Germany. Yet this would require Belgium to deny its own action of neutrality. Would it really be that hard not to move through Belgium?"

OOC I'm not Leopold - although I am trying to play out his stance of neutrality to some extent.....

Also, what are the tiny green blobs (like the one underneath Albania, the one above montenegro and west of the netherlands?? Are they just tiny tiny countries?

Josef walked over to King George V.

"Excuse me good sir, but I have a proposition on behalf of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I was wondering if we could purchase the territory of Malta? I know it may seem unreasonable, but trust me, it would be for the better. Malta has no military force that would be of any real significance, and the land is isolate from your current empire. Should it be invaded, there would be no way to send reinforcements-so for the sake of the people of Malta, I only ask that you consider selling the territory to us. We are willing to pay quite a large sum for the island, in addition to any other goods that you may need."

"Not several million, not nearly that much -Wilhelm chuckled-. Exchanging land would not be in violation of Neutrality. It would be a trade of land."

OOC: I assume they are either disputed territories or color errors.

I want to be mexico. Please pick me.

OOC Japan and the Bolsheviks are free, plus the countries not on the list....

OOC: the Bolsheviks will be roleplayed by me.

Hey! I thought Attican States let me be the Bolsheviks!

ooc: colour errors, even the black sea and the Dardanelles (which belong to the Ottomans and still do) are green.
Since France hasnt answerred to the Sultans question yet, i will introduce the Sultans brother Mehmed, a kind and gentle man that likes Persian literature.

Mehmed thought that he might be able to solve the Armenia case, and with good expectations he walked over to the Russians, smiling as always
"Good evening gentlemen, yes you might find it strange of me to adress you, my brother is to stubborn for it and someone has to do it eventually."
"We should make an end to this situation, and therefore i ask you if you are interested in a treaty? It will enable us to solve the Armenian case quikly and effectively"

OOC: Leopold II is Frenchspeaking, and he would never give away the southern region because its a region where everyone speaks French.

OOC: The majority of people in eastern france and belgium speak either German or a Germanic language. As far as I know, Belgian is a germanic language.

LOL :lol:

There's no belgian language.
2 people live in Belgium: the Flemish who speak flemish (more or less the same language spoken in Holland and the Walloons who speak french)...+ a few germanspeakers (in the eastern part of the country, annexed after WW1).

Since France hasnt answerred to the Sultans question yet, i will introduce the Sultans brother Mehmed, a kind and gentle man that likes Persian literature.

ooc: i apologise i have not been able to get onto the forum since yesterday and so please take my response as if from when i was asked.

the president moves closer making sure no-one can hear him. I believe that it would be in the interest of the people of France if we had an allie and it may help the Entente if war did break out if a 4th party was involved ,there is one condition the ottomans must not block suplies to my allie Russia and if posibul help the Balkans if it is attacked now i am going to the german kaiser i will be in touch

the president looks around for the kaiser so he asks one of the german guards

"have you seen the kaiser

"He is busy at the moment."

Hamid thought by himself "excellent, Bulgaria is a friend of the central powers. And incase of a war, we could support France and bring parts of Bulgaria to restore the old empire"
"If my brother is succesfull, we nolonger have to worry about an attack from that side. Al we have to do is put the new agreement on paper and we're safe"

OOC: El Cid/Vollmeria (to both of you), any chance you could type somewhad better?

OOC: El Cid/Vollmeria (to both of you), any chance you could type somewhad better?

ooc: depends on what you mean by better?

"But my dear Kaiser, the reason behind the sale of the lands would violate neutrality. I don't want Belgium to be party to the declaration of war, threatened as it is."

OOC sorry, I'm gonna be away until evening tomorrow, so I will reply, just after a little while.....

OOC: In proper English?

IC:

"It wouldn't be a sale, it would be a trade. Besides the point, how would any trade be violation of neutrality? Plus, if France went so far as to consider it violation of neutrality, you have my assurances that the entire power of the German Empire will back you up.

my first language is not english, and i type fast and usually dont have the time to check it again.

OOC: Hello, a WWI RP sounds so fun. Can I be in it, and RP as Greece. I know Greece during WWI:

First the Greek Monarchy was neutral, but when the Ottoman Turks and Bulgaria moved towards the Central Powers, Greece became Pro-Britain, and went to war with Bulgaria and the Ottoman Turks. With Serbia collapsed, Greece was now surronded by Central Powers, and could be isolated from the Triple Entite. Therefor, the Greek Monarchy quickly switched sides, to the Central Powers. The British were outraged, and to make sure the Turk and Bulgarian troops in Greece stayed there, and didn't move to the Middle East or the Eastern Front, the British staged a coup in Greece, overthrowing the Monarchy, and instating a British puppet regime.

I'd like to RP the Kingdom of Greece, under it's Monarchy! Please? :D

fine.

OOC: El Cid/Vollmeria (to both of you), any chance you could type somewhad better?

ooc: i am just a bad speller i will try to get someone to check my spelling in future

Leopold halted, thinking hard. He did not want to face being responsible for the outbreak of war, whether he was to blame or not. But this cluase....felt like he would be to blame. It was a very hard choice to make. Was there a possible alternative - one that would leave him neutral, but yet ensure he wasn't sitting back and watching as the allied countries fought over something he could have stopped - would it be his fault....would this be something he would regret for the rest of his life??

"Kaiser, I feel I must look at this in a fully diplomatic way. Yes, there have been grievances with Alsace-Lorraine, but until any real semblance of hostilities show themselves, I apologise, I must back down from this offer. Should France threaten us, making your possession of this land become real, then I will not hesistate to contact you."

The president decides to wait for the kaiser to become free so to pass the time he decides to talk to his ally, he find Nicholas talking to a Turk

ic: "what is the nature of that of which you have been discussing"

Grand Duke Guillaume realizes that Germany and Belgium both border Luxembourg and instantly becomes intrigued as to what is going on between the two leaders of these nations. "Perhaps a joined army or perhaps a joint palace is being built", he thinks to himself.

The president decides to wait for the kaiser to become free so to pass the time he decides to talk to his ally, he find Nicholas talking to a Turk

what is the nature of that of which you have been discussing

ooc: I am asking for a treaty, in reality this is important to the Russians because it will allow them to move their fleet trough the Dardanelles, in exchange, i'm asking them to give up Armenia. Something the (RL)Russians would never ve agreed to.

The Kaiser sighs, folds the papers and puts them back into his drawer, and walks out of the room, disheartened.

"If war were to break out... The Turks would jump at a chance to attack us again. You remember how hastily the Turks attacked in 1897. The slightest dispute within our country over the argument of a Parliament, and the Turks instantly took advantage of it. If War broke out among the Continental Powers, the Turks wouldn't hesitate to attack us. We must establish relationships with the Friends and Allies of Turkey. Staying Neutral, or flocking to the Ottoman's Enemies, we would be doomed." King Constance I argued to his Political Advisory Eleftherios Venizelos, who was an outspoken Politician, who opposed the King on every issue.

"That's worthless Logic. Getting closer to Turk Allies, only ensures our destruction. They would not estimate us as an important ally, and would sign over our fate to the Turks the very second the Ottoman Empire asked to Annex us!" Venizelos protested. "The only way we can ensure our freedom from the Turks is to become an ally of the Turk's enemy! If we quickly become an Enemy of the Ottoman Empire, we will be supplied by the Turk's other Enemies, and if we did collapse, we'd at least be gallant about it, instead of cowering in fear, and signing away our freedom!"

The King and Venizelos were in another of their shouting matches now. Arguing their points. The head of the King's Council stepped forward before they challenged each other to a duel... again. "Your Majesty... May I suggest that you try negotiating with the Turk's allies, and Venizelos negotiating with their enemies? After negotiations are done, we'll except whichever deal looks more promising..."

King Constance agreed, as did Venizelos. They were quickly getting ready to leave to separate nations, both determined to save Greece from the Ottoman Turk's ruthless army.

OOC: Who is the ottoman Turk's enemy and ally at this point... I got confused about it around page 7... So many Negotiations... Making my head spin...

ooc i have somewhat of an agreement with France. It must also be noted that in 1908 (upto 1914) there is a British military delegation in my country, helping my navy.

OOC: Should we assume the festivities are over?

i still have a bit to discuss with the kaiser and the czar

And I'd like to speak with the French President, but then I think I am done...

El Cid, could you send me a Telegram so that we can discuss in private plz?

I would like to be the Netherlands

-Meanwhile, during the festivities, one of the engineers at Mauser came up with a breakthru. In his hands was a Karabiner, but with a new cartridge and new firing mechanism was able to use what he called Wiederholungshiessen (or what we would call, Semi-automatic fire). He hoped that the military would purchase the plans, but did not hold his breath. (All militaries at that time had a policy of 'individual marksmanship', beleiving that single shot bolt action rifles were better because they encouraged accuracy.)

Leopold apporaches the French President (OOC whats his name again?? :oops: ), saying quietly,

"Sir, would you honour me as to discuss Belgium and its future, please? It would honour me most graciously..."

"i would be most happy to discuss your country's future with you"

"What I have to say is that I fear for Belgium. I fear greatly because we have absolutely no influence over what is happening in Europe, with the alliances forming and the increasing hostilities and such. I fear most greatly that Belgium would be seen as a no-man's land, to be trampled on to further the ambitions of the allied countries - that Belgian neutrality would be point-blank ignored, and we would not be powerful enough to stand up against two grossly out-grown political factions, one on either side of us. Therefore, down to business, I have drawn up a simple agreement which I aim to get as many allied European leaders as possible to sign. This quite simply declares that Belgium and its territories are completely neutral to the politics of Europe, and that should the worst come to the worst, and conflict break in Europe, that Belgium would be kept neutral. Belgians, as you can imagine I am sure, are both terrified and furious at the thought that we might merely be a stepping-stone in the campaigns of Generals, and we wish to ensure that we would not be dragged into a war unless it was absolutely, absolutely necessary. If a planned Alliance of Neutral Countries made by myself was successful, I would hope that any countries signing such a document would be included in any part of the document mentioning "Belgium" under the same conditions. Please, what do you say to this?"

I would like to be the Netherlands

OOC I have no objections....

"What I have to say is that I fear for Belgium. I fear greatly because we have absolutely no influence over what is happening in Europe, with the alliances forming and the increasing hostilities and such. I fear most greatly that Belgium would be seen as a no-man's land, to be trampled on to further the ambitions of the allied countries - that Belgian neutrality would be point-blank ignored, and we would not be powerful enough to stand up against two grossly out-grown political factions, one on either side of us. Therefore, down to business, I have drawn up a simple agreement which I aim to get as many allied European leaders as possible to sign. This quite simply declares that Belgium and its territories are completely neutral to the politics of Europe, and that should the worst come to the worst, and conflict break in Europe, that Belgium would be kept neutral. Belgians, as you can imagine I am sure, are both terrified and furious at the thought that we might merely be a stepping-stone in the campaigns of Generals, and we wish to ensure that we would not be dragged into a war unless it was absolutely, absolutely necessary. If a planned Alliance of Neutral Countries made by myself was successful, I would hope that any countries signing such a document would be included in any part of the document mentioning "Belgium" under the same conditions. Please, what do you say to this?"

"france has no intrest in attacking or violating the neutrality of belgium we will sign the document recognising your neutrality

OOC: What makes you think a peice of paper guaranteeing neutrality would keep anyone from invading you, btw?

OOC: What makes you think a peice of paper guaranteeing neutrality would keep anyone from invading you, btw?

OOC nothing at all, but I have to rely on two things:

1 that even one country might sign this and respect my neutrality (that would be a success)

2 that by doing this I will look like I am trying to play my role, and not sitting round waiting to get invaded :)

I'm just trying to get myself into roleplay, because I haven't done much here before, and I aim to really get into it.

Leopold replies,

"Most gracious of you, mon Presidente (OOC you don't have to be French to say that do you? I forget :( ). Let us hope that all sides will respect this agreement."

OOC OK, I've got my part done. Shall we end the banquet, or are there still things to be done?

Attican, would it be possible to have two Germanys, Ill take half and u take another half?? Since i have RL nation claims to Germany

OOC: Umm... no? Since when are you the RL dictator of Germany?

I guess we can end it.

IC: The Mauser technician is currently waiting at the office of the Generelstab...

OOC: So did our British player die or something? I still haven't gotten back a response about purchasing Malta...

IC:
Josef overheard Leopold asking other leaders to sign a document agreeing not to invade Belgium. Josef approached him and spoke:

"My dear friend, you have nothing to fear. I will make sure that Austro-Hungarian forces will never step into Belgian soil." He signed the document.

He also approaced the Mauser engineer with intrest in his new Karabiner.

With The Austro-Hungarian forces getting new uniforms this year (OOC: And they were in RL at that time as well), it might be a wise idea to take a look into these weapons-they may be of some use after all... perhaps they could test them in a small division of Dragoons to start with...

He began to discuss with the engineer:

"I see you have made quite a discovery in this weapon-I am indeed very interested in your new product. How much are you wanting to sell the plans for?"

Seeing the new signature, Leopold exclaims,

"Most kind, my good Sir. Let us hope the more names are signed here, the more will want to be added...."