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As said this the is the first ship that the Macabean military has inovated which is now on the market (there have been another 2 ships, the Jessica class Battlecruiser and the Imperator Class Battleship, of which one exist of the latter).

Rommel Class Battleship

Armor:
17 inches all around, 14 inches on deck
Propulsion:
4 Power Propulsion nuclear generators and 6 screws
Max Speed:
35 knots
Aircraft:
5 ASW Helicopters
Armaments:
16 quadruple SSM launchers, 4 quad 18 inch guns, 2 quad 14 inch guns, 15 8 inch guns, 20 quadruple SAM launchers.
Displacement:
82,039 tons
Crew:
2100
Length:
1021.3’
Waterline Length:
987.3’
Beam:
156.2’
Draft:
36.7’
Radars:
Air search radar which detects planes from 423 miles away above 3,000 feet. Surface search radar can find ships below 3,000 feet from 239 miles away. Sonar in the hull and in the strings tailing can detect submarines from the front as well as behind.
Cost:
$1.9 billion

http://www.g2mil.com/battleship.jpg
http://www.fallriverma.org/images/photos/large/battleship.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:7Antu2UyyeIC:www.attrition.org/gallery/not_humor/battleship.jpg

They take that general form but just with the upgrades from above. I will come out with a detailed and accurate image by maybe tomorrow.

Halder Class Pocket Battleship

Armor: 13 inches all around, 11 inches on deck
Propulsion: 6 Power Propulsion nuclear generators, 4 screws
Max Speed: 40 knots
Armaments: 2 Quadruple Platform 12 inch guns, 25 8 inch guns
Crew: 1,500
Length: 894.7'
Radars: Air search radar which detects planes from 423 miles away above 3,000 feet. Surface search radar can find ships below 3,000 feet from 239 miles away. Sonar in the hull and in the strings tailing can detect submarines from the front as well as behind.
Cost: 900 million

http://www.stenbergaa.com/stenberg/attack-the-graf-spee.jpg
http://www.second-world-war.com/images/dhm_1043_small.jpg

Manstein Class Destroyer

Propulsion system: four Power Propulsion LM 2500 gas turbine engines
Propellers: two
Screws: two
Blades on each Propeller: five
Length: 515,25 feet (154 meters)
Beam: 74 feet (20.4 meters)
Draft: 30,5 feet (9.3 meters)
Displacement: approx. 8.300 tons full load
Speed: 39 knots
Aircraft: None. But LAMPS 3 electronics installed on landing deck for coordinated DDG/helicopter ASW operations.
Armament: two MK 41 VLS for Standard missiles, Tomahawk; Harpoon missile launchers, one Mk 45 5-inch/54 caliber lightweight gun, two Phalanx CIWS, Mk 46 torpedoes (from two triple tube mounts)
Crew: 23 Officers, 24 Chief Petty Officers and 291 Enlisted
cost: 550 million USD

Sydlitz Class Cruiser

Propulsion system: four Power PropulsionLM 2500 gas turbine engines
Propellers: two Blades on each Propeller: five
Length: 567 feet (173 meters)
Beam: 55 feet (16.8 meters)
Draft: 34 feet (10.2 meters)
Displacement: approx. 9,600 tons full load
Speed: 30+ knots
Aircraft: 2 ASW helicopters
Armament: two Mk 26 missile launchers Standard missiles and ASROC, Mk 46 torpedoes, Harpoon missile launchers two Mk 45 5-inch/54 caliber lightweight guns, two Phalanx CIWS
Crew: >400
Cost: 750 million USD


http://www.theanchorstore.com/assets/images/Cruisers/cgn38-1t.jpg


Clauswitz Class Frigate

Power Plant: Two Power LM 2500 gas turbine engines; 1 shaft, 41,000 shaft horsepower total.
Length: 445 feet (133.5 meters); 453 feet (135.9 meters) with LAMPS III modification.
Beam: 45 feet (13.5 meters)
Displacement: 4,100 tons (4,165.80 metric tons) full load
Speed: 29 plus knots (33.4+ miles per hour)
Armanment: Standard Missile (MR); Harpoon (from Standard Missile Launcher); Six MK-46 torpedoes(from two triple mounts); One 76 mm (3-inch)/62 caliber MK 75 rapid fire gun; One Phalanx close-in-weapons system
Crew: 17 Officers, 198 Enlisted
cost: 500 million USD

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38171000/jpg/_38171817_frigate300.jpg

picture???

Not bad, but under priced. Should complement the dreadnoughts we sold you nicely.

picture???

It's Macabean technology..I guess I could draw one but that would take a while.

ok well i like to see what im buying before i buy it.......no offence but just saying it exsists and having proof is diff....thats just the way i be..... :roll:

Not bad, but under priced. Should complement the dreadnoughts we sold you nicely.

Thank you, I will change to price 100 million more.

And, well it could, but I don't want to make any changed to my Fleet of the West and my Fleet of the East which is where your ships I bought went to and my Imperial Fleet is overly weighted with ships.

Once I can provide a stable trade income I would probably build a new fleet probably named Fleet of the High Seas.

ok well i like to see what im buying before i buy it.......no offence but just saying it exsists and having proof is diff....thats just the way i be..... :roll:

Alright there... I have some images that look about the same.

Still too cheap, add $900 million.

picture???

It's Macabean technology..I guess I could draw one but that would take a while.

Took me 2 months to draw my battleships, dreadnoughts and battlecruisers. I have yet to draw my aircraft carriers.

Still too cheap, add $900 million.

There we go. I added it, thank you.

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The Plaxtonian Navy has asked the government to obtain one each of the Rommel Class Battleship and the Halder Class Pocket Battleship.
The appropriate amount of capital shall be autonomously wired on confirmation.

Confirmed and thank you for all your imput. I really appreciate it.

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We'll take 20 Rommel Class Battleships

I'd use VLS instead so many launchers.

We'll take 20 Rommel Class Battleships

58 billion USD and thank you very much! It will be at your home ports in three RL days. (3 years of copletion and about two months of transport to your docks).

ok thank you, very much would we get a discount if we ordered say 40 of the other class of ship? :D

ok thank you, very much would we get a discount if we ordered say 40 of the other class of ship? :D60 battleships is insane... :roll:

40 of the Rommel Class Pocket Battleships would cost 36 billion and I would give a 6 billion USD discount if you gave me another year of construction (so it would be at your home ports in 4 RL days).

no I got close to 1.7 trillion in doantions

ok thank you, very much would we get a discount if we ordered say 40 of the other class of ship? :D60 battleships is insane... :roll:


Those are pocket battleships, they cost less to maintain and he can disactivate them until his navy grows and his economy follows up.

I'll agree to wait and I'll take 40 of the Halder Class Pocket Battleships

I'll agree to wait and I'll take 40 of the Halder Class Pocket Battleships
*confirmed* 30 billion USD

no I got close to 1.7 trillion in doantionsOOC: Sure, Jono. Donations from your puppet nations do not count.

no not including pupets

no not including pupetsOOC: I want proof.

Take this to another thread lol... w/e it keeps it bumped..keep going

ooc:
ok heres the two links you need http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82594 and http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77626

ok sorry you have been very nice to us. I'll drop it. By the way I love your ships if you come out if another ship I'll buy it!

OOC: As I said, Mac, I'd use VLS instead of all those launchers. My battleship has 232 VLS tubes and only six sextuple launchers (along with 4 RAM launchers).

ooc:
ok heres the two links you need http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82594 and http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77626OOC: Great, people wire you money for HUMANITARIAN aid and you use it on naval vessels. :roll:

:shock: candy store impulse...One of each please!
-money sent- 8)

OOC: As I said, Mac, I'd use VLS instead of all those launchers. My battleship has 232 VLS tubes and only six sextuple launchers (along with 4 RAM launchers).

I will take that in consideration but it wouldn't effect the Rommel class, it would most probably be used in the subsequent battleship that I may start researching (thanks to this research). Or even yet, I may just upgrade the Rommel and therefore save money, but thats (RL) days away.

1.9 bill + 900 million + 550 million = 3.250 billion USD. Thank you for your order!

New destroyer class in the open market.

We'll take 12 Rommel Class Battleships and 6 Pocket Battleships to augment our own. *Money wired upon confirmation*

22.800 billion + 5.400 billion *confirmed*

We will take 5 Rommel Class Battleships, 10 Halder Class, and 25 Manstein Destroyers.

That will be...32.25 billion dollars right?

We will take 5 Rommel Class Battleships, 10 Halder Class, and 25 Manstein Destroyers.

That will be...32.25 billion dollars right?
correct and confirmed... thank you!

As said this the is the first ship that the Macabean military has inovated which is now on the market (there have been another 2 ships, the Jessica class Battlecruiser and the Imperator Class Battleship, of which one exist of the latter).

Rommel Class Battleship

Armor:
17 inches all around, 14 inches on deck
Propulsion:
4 Power Propulsion nuclear generators and 6 screws
Max Speed:
45 knots
Aircraft:
5 ASW Helicopters
Armaments:
16 quadruple SSM launchers, 4 quad 20 inch guns, 2 quad 14 inch guns, 15 8 inch guns, 20 quadruple SAM launchers.
Displacement:
72,039 tons
Crew:
1800
Length:
1021.3’
Waterline Length:
987.3’
Beam:
156.2’
Draft:
36.7’
Radars:
Air search radar which detects planes from 423 miles away above 3,000 feet. Surface search radar can find ships below 3,000 feet from 239 miles away. Sonar in the hull and in the strings tailing can detect submarines from the front as well as behind.
Cost:
$1.9 billion

They take that general form but just with the upgrades from above. I will come out with a detailed and accurate image by maybe tomorrow.

Halder Class Pocket Battleship

Armor: 13 inches all around, 11 inches on deck
Propulsion: 6 Power Propulsion nuclear generators, 4 screws
Max Speed: 55 knots
Armaments: 2 Quadruple Platform 12 inch guns, 25 8 inch guns
Crew: 1,500
Length: 894.7'
Radars: Air search radar which detects planes from 423 miles away above 3,000 feet. Surface search radar can find ships below 3,000 feet from 239 miles away. Sonar in the hull and in the strings tailing can detect submarines from the front as well as behind.
Cost: 900 million

Manstein Class Destroyer

Propulsion system: four Power Propulsion LM 2500 gas turbine engines
Propellers: two
Screws: two
Blades on each Propeller: five
Length: 515,25 feet (154 meters)
Beam: 74 feet (20.4 meters)
Draft: 30,5 feet (9.3 meters)
Displacement: approx. 8.300 tons full load
Speed: 39 knots
Aircraft: None. But LAMPS 3 electronics installed on landing deck for coordinated DDG/helicopter ASW operations.
Armament: two MK 41 VLS for Standard missiles, Tomahawk; Harpoon missile launchers, one Mk 45 5-inch/54 caliber lightweight gun, two Phalanx CIWS, Mk 46 torpedoes (from two triple tube mounts)
Crew: 23 Officers, 24 Chief Petty Officers and 291 Enlisted
cost: 550 million USD
OOC:
*sigh*
I don't know why I even bother.
The Rommel has way too much armor and equipment for a ship of its size. A 72,000 ton vessel could manage 6 20" guns, maybe 8 tops (remember, the Yamato was about the same size and could only mount 9 18" guns), and that's with nothing else. Your ship, with all that stuff, would displace no less than 200,000 tons. 20" and 14" turrets alone would weigh well over 30,000 tons. Naturally, your stats don't give anywhere near enough deck and internal space for these weapons either, so all dimensions should probably be doubled. 45 knots is pretty much impossible for a ship that size. 20 would be more realistic. Crew is going to be upped as well. You don't even have enough to man the turrets there. And cost would be no less than three times what you're listing, preferably at least five. Regardless of what anyone else says, even an Iowa class battleship would cost a few billion to construct today, and this is far beyond that.

The Halder is also grossly unrealistic. With 25 8" guns and 8 12" guns, you're not looking at anything less than 100,000 tons (20,000 tons for the turrets alone). Cost, like the Rommel, should be no less than 3-5 times what you're stating. 55 knots is again, absurd. You might get away with 35, but not much higher. Battleships don't outrun fast missile boats.

The destroyer isn't that bad. Up the price to at least $900 million, and cut a few knots off the top speed, and that will be fine.

When you want to make an original unit, it would be an intelligent thing to look into some actual ones. You'd then find out things like how much armor and turrets would weigh, what kind of crews would be needed, and what the limits are for what you can fit on a ship. Then, I won't say how impossible the design is.

Actually most of those states are just upped from the Iowa and barely at that so I'll such ignore your remarks. The weight and size is perfectly capable of holding the weaponry if the Iowa can hold more or less the same.

EDIT: I upped the crew size and downed the speed. But yea the rest I ignored. Plus this is nationstates, home to rp'ing and improvisation... I can just go to space people's storefronts and say "lasers are impossible, they dont exist in the real world" plus this isn't even to that extent, its possible for a very large and rich nation like mine to build (there are larger but sensing that im 3.5 times larger than the USA).

Also you notice that I have more screws and more propulsion systems than the Iowa, therefore implying speed capabilities.

EDIT: I upped the crew size and downed the speed. But yea the rest I ignored. Plus this is nationstates, home to rp'ing and improvisation... I can just go to space people's storefronts and say "lasers are impossible, they dont exist in the real world" plus this isn't even to that extent, its possible for a very large and rich nation like mine to build (there are larger but sensing that im 3.5 times larger than the USA).
OOC: ...but this is modern tech, isn't it?

Could I help fund you and join up on your next battleship battle cruiser etc. I love your ships and would pay large amounts for the next one to be developped soon.

EDIT: I upped the crew size and downed the speed. But yea the rest I ignored. Plus this is nationstates, home to rp'ing and improvisation... I can just go to space people's storefronts and say "lasers are impossible, they dont exist in the real world" plus this isn't even to that extent, its possible for a very large and rich nation like mine to build (there are larger but sensing that im 3.5 times larger than the USA).
OOC: ...but this is modern tech, isn't it?

Yes and my last part of my argument implies that its technically possible for a modern nation.

Could I help fund you and join up on your next battleship battle cruiser etc. I love your ships and would pay large amounts for the next one to be developped soon.

Sure. A Battle Cruiser would be a good idea. But we would need to plan it out accordingly and I would have to research on the weaponries used and on advances that would make ours the better one.

Omz222: What im trying to say is that yes, ok, the USA or for that matter any nation in the world does not have that technology yet but to call it future would be foolish since its not that far away (maybe 5 years ahead of our time). So it can still be considered modern, especially since it has modern weapons.

We could use the Rommel class, bring down the armour update the weapons etc. and we have a battlecruiser

Omz222: What im trying to say is that yes, ok, the USA or for that matter any nation in the world does not have that technology yet but to call it future would be foolish since its not that far away (maybe 5 years ahead of our time). So it can still be considered modern, especially since it has modern weapons.
OOC: True, but I still don't see the mechanics of a battleship with a lot of guns that can go 50+ knots.

OOC: True, but I still don't see the mechanics of a battleship with a lot of guns that can go 50+ knots.

Point taken, I put the speed to 47 knots.

We could use the Rommel class, bring down the armour update the weapons etc. and we have a battlecruiser

Sounds good. Do you have AIM? It would be easier to do all of this that way.

nope :D

nope :D

Well I guess we're going to have to design it on the forums. :lol:

Actually most of those states are just upped from the Iowa and barely at that so I'll such ignore your remarks. The weight and size is perfectly capable of holding the weaponry if the Iowa can hold more or less the same.

EDIT: I upped the crew size and downed the speed. But yea the rest I ignored. Plus this is nationstates, home to rp'ing and improvisation... I can just go to space people's storefronts and say "lasers are impossible, they dont exist in the real world" plus this isn't even to that extent, its possible for a very large and rich nation like mine to build (there are larger but sensing that im 3.5 times larger than the USA).

Iowa Class Battleship:
Displacement (1982-1992): 57,256 tons full load
Speed: 33 knots (35 unofficially achieved)
Armament: 3xTriple 16"/50 Cal, 6xTwin 5"/38 Cal, 4xPhalanx, 12xQuad missile launcher (4 Harpoon, 8 Tomahawk)
Aircraft: 1xSH-2 Seasprite, 1-3xPioneer UAV
Armor: 12.2" Belt, 7" Max Deck, 19.7" Turret Face, 9.5" Turret Side, 17.5" Conning Tower
Crew: 1512
Cost: $2-3 billion (estimate for new Iowa built to 1982 standards)
Increases ain't exactly small. You more than tripled the armament, increased speed by about 30%, significantly increased armor and aircraft capacity, and claim that it costs less than a RL Iowa would (modernization alone cost several hundred million).

Note on increasing gun size: It was determined in US studies prior to WWII that a battleship that could carry 9 16" guns could only accommodate 6-7 18" guns (the Iowa is not that much larger than other 16" armed vessels). The level of increase would be similar from 18" to 20". The Yamato, at 72,000 tons, carries 9 18" guns, hence it would only accept 6-7 20" (as was shown with the Super Yamato Project). The Super Yamato Project went through a number of changes, but the final one would have had 8 20" guns on a 100,000 ton hull, with minimal secondary armament (only 10 3.9" guns, and 150 25mm AA guns), and had a projected wartime crew of 2600+. Top speed was expected to be about 27.5 knots.
A twin 20" gun turret weighs 1.6 times as much as a triple 16" gun turret. The gun itself weighs twice as much.

i surpose or through telegrams, whatever this time let's have have VLS.

Actually most of those states are just upped from the Iowa and barely at that so I'll such ignore your remarks. The weight and size is perfectly capable of holding the weaponry if the Iowa can hold more or less the same.

EDIT: I upped the crew size and downed the speed. But yea the rest I ignored. Plus this is nationstates, home to rp'ing and improvisation... I can just go to space people's storefronts and say "lasers are impossible, they dont exist in the real world" plus this isn't even to that extent, its possible for a very large and rich nation like mine to build (there are larger but sensing that im 3.5 times larger than the USA).

Iowa Class Battleship:
Displacement (1982-1992): 57,256 tons full load
Speed: 33 knots (35 unofficially achieved)
Armament: 3xTriple 16"/50 Cal, 6xTwin 5"/38 Cal, 4xPhalanx, 12xQuad missile launcher (4 Harpoon, 8 Tomahawk)
Aircraft: 1xSH-2 Seasprite, 1-3xPioneer UAV
Armor: 12.2" Belt, 7" Max Deck, 19.7" Turret Face, 9.5" Turret Side, 17.5" Conning Tower
Crew: 1512
Cost: $2-3 billion (estimate for new Iowa built to 1982 standards)
Increases ain't exactly small. You more than tripled the armament, increased speed by about 30%, significantly increased armor and aircraft capacity, and claim that it costs less than a RL Iowa would (modernization alone cost several hundred million).

Note on increasing gun size: It was determined in US studies prior to WWII that a battleship that could carry 9 16" guns could only accommodate 6-7 18" guns (the Iowa is not that much larger than other 16" armed vessels). The level of increase would be similar from 18" to 20". The Yamato, at 72,000 tons, carries 9 18" guns, hence it would only accept 6-7 20" (as was shown with the Super Yamato Project). The Super Yamato Project went through a number of changes, but the final one would have had 8 20" guns on a 100,000 ton hull, with minimal secondary armament (only 10 3.9" guns, and 150 25mm AA guns), and had a projected wartime crew of 2600+. Top speed was expected to be about 27.5 knots.
A twin 20" gun turret weighs 1.6 times as much as a triple 16" gun turret. The gun itself weighs twice as much.

But the type of propulsion is different from WWII technology and there are more than the Yamato had.

Plus many US battleships had 20 inch guns according to Ambrose in D-Day.

*chuckles at the names of these vessels* :lol: :lol:

Actually most of those states are just upped from the Iowa and barely at that so I'll such ignore your remarks. The weight and size is perfectly capable of holding the weaponry if the Iowa can hold more or less the same.

EDIT: I upped the crew size and downed the speed. But yea the rest I ignored. Plus this is nationstates, home to rp'ing and improvisation... I can just go to space people's storefronts and say "lasers are impossible, they dont exist in the real world" plus this isn't even to that extent, its possible for a very large and rich nation like mine to build (there are larger but sensing that im 3.5 times larger than the USA).

Iowa Class Battleship:
Displacement (1982-1992): 57,256 tons full load
Speed: 33 knots (35 unofficially achieved)
Armament: 3xTriple 16"/50 Cal, 6xTwin 5"/38 Cal, 4xPhalanx, 12xQuad missile launcher (4 Harpoon, 8 Tomahawk)
Aircraft: 1xSH-2 Seasprite, 1-3xPioneer UAV
Armor: 12.2" Belt, 7" Max Deck, 19.7" Turret Face, 9.5" Turret Side, 17.5" Conning Tower
Crew: 1512
Cost: $2-3 billion (estimate for new Iowa built to 1982 standards)
Increases ain't exactly small. You more than tripled the armament, increased speed by about 30%, significantly increased armor and aircraft capacity, and claim that it costs less than a RL Iowa would (modernization alone cost several hundred million).

Note on increasing gun size: It was determined in US studies prior to WWII that a battleship that could carry 9 16" guns could only accommodate 6-7 18" guns (the Iowa is not that much larger than other 16" armed vessels). The level of increase would be similar from 18" to 20". The Yamato, at 72,000 tons, carries 9 18" guns, hence it would only accept 6-7 20" (as was shown with the Super Yamato Project). The Super Yamato Project went through a number of changes, but the final one would have had 8 20" guns on a 100,000 ton hull, with minimal secondary armament (only 10 3.9" guns, and 150 25mm AA guns), and had a projected wartime crew of 2600+. Top speed was expected to be about 27.5 knots.
A twin 20" gun turret weighs 1.6 times as much as a triple 16" gun turret. The gun itself weighs twice as much.

But the type of propulsion is different from WWII technology and there are more than the Yamato had.

Plus many US battleships had 20 inch guns according to Ambrose in D-Day.

Then he is incredibly mistaken, the largest cannons ever mounted on a United States battleship was the 16''/50 on the Iowas, most other also featured 16'' or 15'' but no US BB ever went over 16'', in fact the only battleship in the world to go over 16'' was the Yamato at 18.2'', the French with the Richelieu were 14'' or 15'', the British Vanguard was 15'', the German Tirpitz and Bismarck were either 15'' or 16''.

But the type of propulsion is different from WWII technology and there are more than the Yamato had.

Plus many US battleships had 20 inch guns according to Ambrose in D-Day.
Yes, the propulsion is different, which is why 35 knots is allowed. But even with near future technology, 45-55 is utterly absurd for a large ship. There are still limits.
I have no clue about this claim of 20" guns on battleships, but no modern vessel that was ever completed had them. They were only conceptual, and even then, they were generally a foolish idea. The advantages were nowhere near making up for the increase in size and weight, not to mention the decrease in rate of fire and ammunition.

Then he is incredibly mistaken, the largest cannons ever mounted on a United States battleship was the 16''/50 on the Iowas, most other also featured 16'' or 15'' but no US BB ever went over 16'', in fact the only battleship in the world to go over 16'' was the Yamato at 18.2'', the French with the Richelieu were 14'' or 15'', the British Vanguard was 15'', the German Tirpitz and Bismarck were either 15'' or 16''.
Yamato had 18.1", and was the largest gun ever fit on a ship. However, the Iowa's 16" guns had better long-range performance.
The US, Britain, and Japan were the only nations that used 16" guns. Everyone else topped at 15.

Ok the guns are put down to 18" and the speed will be put down at 35 for the BB and 40 for the PBB and a little less for the Destroyer.

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The government of exetonia would like to purchase the following:

1 x Manstein Class Destroyer at 550 mil

Money has been wired, that is all.

The ship will be drive to the outskirts of your docks (by a skeleton crew) by three months from now at the most.

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Our newly research cruiser and frigate is on the market.

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Headline News:

One small patrol boat recently bumbed into a larger battleship. The patrol boat was destroyed but the crew jumped to safety before the actualy hit.

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I'll take 10 Rommel battleships please.

King Memnon the Great

I'll take 10 Rommel battleships please.

King Memnon the Great

The ships will take about 4 years to complete and will be sent to your harbors as soon as they are all complete.

We thank you for your services. May we do business wit you again, and may your nation prosper.

King Memnon

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5 Rommel's for 9.5 billion USD, if you don't mind

5 Rommel's for 9.5 billion USD, if you don't mind

They will arrive at your ports in 3 months.

40 Clauswitz
20 Sydlitz
40 Mansteins
20 Halders
5 Rommels




About 84.5 billion, I believe. Wired upon confirmation of order. (If you think that is beyond my countries budget, I will be more then willing to show you my national budget)

40 Clauswitz
20 Sydlitz
40 Mansteins
20 Halders
5 Rommels




About 84.5 billion, I believe. Wired upon confirmation of order. (If you think that is beyond my countries budget, I will be more then willing to show you my national budget)

It will take 8.3 months to complete and the entire order will arrive in 9 months at your ports.

Thank you... of course if you request, for no additional cost, if they are important, to be finished faster, maybe up to 2 months faster.