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I am requiring the following craft in the following numbers

10 T-38 Talons (Trainers)
2 C-141B Starlifter
4 B 52 Stratofortress
8 A 10
20 F 15 Eagles

If I were you I wouldn't bother with large bombers or heavy fighters, both are very expensve to maintain and operate.

If I were you I'd go with:

24 PC-9 basic trainers
12 T-38 Talons
12 C-130 Hercules
4 C-141B Starlifter
24 F-20 Tigershark(one of the cheepest fighters ever to maintain)
24 A-4M Skyhawk

I can provide you with all of these for good prices, from surplus or brand new.

PC-9 = $1 000 000 new, $500 000 used
T-38 = $2 000 000 new, $1 000 000 used
C-130 = $40 000 000 new, $10 000 000 used(being replaced in my armed forces)
C-141 = well, I don't have them...
F-20C = $12 000 000 new, F-20A = $4 000 000 used(MAP discount for the NDP)
A-4M(upgraded) = $4 000 000 used(MAP)

I'll take that number in surplus

These are good bombers, they are old, but they are cheap and effective.

Canberra
http://website.lineone.net/~roling49/Jetbombers/Canb-1a.JPG
Max Speed: 605 mph
Max Range: 1,105 miles
Dimensions: span 64 ft 0 in
length: 65 ft 6 in
height: 15 ft 7 in
Weight: empty 22,265 lb
max. take-off 53,000 lb
Powerplant: two 8,500-lb dry thrust RJPL turbojets
Armament: normal bomb load 6,000lbs internally, plus 4,000lbs externally, or air-to-surface missiles, rocket-launcher pods or other stores on four underwing pylons, or cameras in the recon role
Cost: $6 Million

Sorry, I require B-52's

Sorry, I require B-52's
Ok, it's your budget that's going down the drain.

I'll take that number in surplus

24 PC-9@ $500 000 = $12 000 000
12 T-38@ $1 000 000 = $12 000 000
12 C-130@ $10 000 000 = $120 000 000
24 F-20@ $4 000 000 = $96 000 000
24 A-4M @ $4 000 000 = $96 000 000

TOTAL = $336 000 000, enjoy(yes you can pay in instalments)

10 million increments okay with you?

10 million increments okay with you?


Yes it is.

OOC: Really, big bombers are no good for a country your size with your economy. Additionally A-4s should be capable of serving all of your ground attack needs for sometime, when they start to not, contact me again.

Thank you Soviet Haaregrad, this will not be forgotten

Thank you Soviet Haaregrad, this will not be forgotten

Social Democratic nations are always eligable for MAP discounts.

Although not on your list, Har Land sells modified piper cheiftans. A small, light, somewhat fast aircraft used for multiple roles:

Military Piper Chieftan:

Max Speed 270mph
Range 1,100 miles

Troop and equipment movement. Insertions and officer travel.

Stats:
Crew: 2
Passengers: 6-8 fully armed men or cargo if not full
Speed 270mph
Range 1,100 Miles
Special Features: Mid air refueling for prolonged flight

Variants/Other Purposes

Coversion 1 : Battlefield Communication. It can circle the battlefield updating real time intel for soldiers

Coversion 2 : Bomber:
Max bombload : Two Thousan Pounds. Good for small 200-250lbs bombs for CAS and hit&run.

Varying Colors. Green top with white bottom, or black.

Bomber version is pretty much anti-personell, although it can take out APC's with it's large carryable bombs.

http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/Harnu/PiperTop.png
http://www.tacticalblunder.com/~uploads/Harnu/PiperBottom.png

These vehicles are best used in coordination with ground troops.

Cost: $350,000 a piece.

And they can be used on carriers.

Rather than B-52s, or other heavy bombers, you would be better off using strike fighters. I can offer you either the Corsair III, a light strike fighter designed for low purchase and maintenance costs while maintaining capabilities, or the Thunderchief II, a heavy strike fighter.

A-24 Corsair III
For an aircraft manufacturer known for its unorthodox approach, the A-24 Corsair III is surprisingly conventional in its design. A conventional low delta-wing design with downward sloping swept horizontal tail surfaces and a single high vertical tail. Small and extremely agile, it is not the fastest fighter around, but retains exceptional low-level maneuverability, making it a terrific strike aircraft.

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Light All-Weather Multi-Role
Contractor: Vega Aerospace Consortium
Power Plant: One Kielly-Caesar L21-KC-211 afterburning turbofan
Length: 42 feet, 7 inches
Height: 18 feet, 3 inches
Wingspan: 31 feet, 11 inches
Speed: 925 miles per hour (Mach 1.2)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 68,000 pounds
Range: 3,450 miles (3,000 nautical miles) ferry range with conformal fuel tanks and three external fuel tanks
Armament:
One internally mounted M-61A2 20mm 20-mm, six-barrel cannon with 560 rounds of ammunition; 2 AIM-9X Sidewinders, 4 under-wing and fuselage hardpoints capable of mounting the AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-140 ADAAM, MK81 250-lb bomb, MK82 500-lb bomb, MK83 1,000-lb bomb, GBU-12 500-lb LGB, GBU-16 1,000-lb LGB, GBU-32 and GBU-35 1,000-lb JDAM, GBU-30 and GBU-38 500 JDAM, CBU-24/B Cluster Bomb, MK-20 Rockeye Cluster Bomb, BLU-111 500-lb penetrator, BLU-110 1,000-lb penetrator, AGM-88 HARM, AGM-65 Maverick
Crew: One
Unit Cost: $14.8 million

F/A-25 Thunderchief II
While it was not well known that the A-24 Corsair was designed with the A-4 Skyhawk as its inspiration, with the F/A-25 the Vega Aerospace Consortium comes right out and admits that this fighter was designed with the mighty Thud in mind.

Designed as a replacement for the A-6 Intruder, the F/A-25 is a powerfully-armed bear of a fighter with something of a reputation as a pig amongst its pilots. Fast it may be, but it is not a dogfighter, nor was it ever intended to be. Its powerful radar is designed to spot targets at range and destroy them with a well-placed ADAAM shot before they can get into range.

Four under-wing and three under-fuselage hardpoints serve to carry its frightening load of equipment as it blazes into enemy territory to release its payload with crippling accuracy. Equipped with terrain-following radar, it is designed to fly low and fast, getting in and out before the enemy really knows they're there. Although it is standard equipment for all their fighters, the Vega Aerospace Consortium would like to restate for the record that a zero/zero ejector seat is included in the fighter for exactly that reason.

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Heavy All-Weather Carrier-Based Strike
Contractor: Vega Aerospace Consortium
Power Plant: Two Kielly-Caesar L34-KC-111 augmented afterburning turbofans
Length: 62 feet, 3 inches
Height: 15 feet, 9 inches
Wingspan: 53 feet, 2 inches
Speed: 1,449 miles per hour (Mach 1.88 )
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 68,000 pounds
Range: 3,450 miles (3,000 nautical miles) ferry range with five external fuel tanks
Armament:
One internally mounted M-61A2 20mm 20-mm, six-barrel cannon with 560 rounds of ammunition; 11 under-wing and fuselage hardpoints capable of mounting the AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-140 ADAAM, MK81 250-lb bomb, MK82 500-lb bomb, MK83 1,000-lb bomb, GBU-12 500-lb LGB, GBU-16 1,000-lb LGB, GBU-32 and GBU-35 1,000-lb JDAM, GBU-30 and GBU-38 500 JDAM, CBU-24/B Cluster Bomb, MK-20 Rockeye Cluster Bomb, BLU-111 500-lb penetrator, BLU-110 1,000-lb penetrator, AGM-88 HARM, AGM-65 Maverick, AGM-84 Harpoon, and the B-61 Tactical Nuclear Bomb.
Crew: Two
Unit Cost: $34.5 million

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd recommends the Dominion of Kotterdam's proposal but if you insist on bombers, you could wait for the AZ-SSB-01 "Lynx" hypersonic bomber (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81781&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)'s project completion.

Please, please. This is an economically fledgling, new nation. They need more inexpensive stuff then this. And my[ A-24 kills that one. :p

A-24A AMPSB Advanced MultiPurpose Strike Bomber

Primary Function: Multipurpose tactical fighter bomber
Contractor: Pan-Haaregradian Defence Institute
Power Plant: 4x TF525-420 9 500lb thrust turbofan engines
Length: 53 feet, 6 inches (16.0 meters)
Height: 15 feet (4.5 meters).
Wingspan: 37 feet, 6 inches (11.25 meters)
Ceiling: 60 000-plus feet (18 200 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.2 at high altitude, clean with full internal bomb load, more then Mach 1 at all altitudes, Mach 0.89 with full weapons load
Range: 2 000 miles(3 200km) on internal fuel only, 3 400 miles(5 440km) with internal and 4x 370 gallon(1 485L)drop tanks
Empty Weight: 24 000lbs (10 910kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 62 000lbs (27 270kg)
Armament: 1 30mm turett cannon, 2 AA-11 Archer AAM for self defence, up to 12 000lbs(5 455kg) of stores internally in main bomb bay, up to 12 000lbs(5 455kg) of stores externally on four hardpoints
Unit cost: $48 000 000
Crew: Two, pilot and weapon systems officer
Current Versions:
A-24A Avenger - land based, low observability strike bomber
A-24B Avenger - carrier based, low observability strike bomber
U-24A Avenger - land or carrier based, low observability utility and Carrier Onboard Delivery aircraft
MU-24A Avenge Blue - land or carrier based covert insertion/resupply aircraft
KU-24A Avenger - land or carrier based, low observability utility and inflight refueling aircraft
S-24A Avenger - carrier or land based ASW aircraft
E-24A Avenger - carrier based Airborne Early Warning and Control aircraft
E-24B Avenger - carrier or land based Electronic Counter Measures and Signal Intellgence aircraft
B-24A Avenger - medium bomber/cruise missile platform, no longer in service, all converted to A-24A Avenger standard

http://haaregradia.20megsfree.com/storefront/ampsb.htm

Not to mention A-4s are still great little attack planes, and the ones I sold him are less then 15 years old.

SH, what is your opinion of Pulse-Detonation technology? You think it would be feasible if I made a bomber using it in the modern tech time frame?
edit: I'm fik.

SH, what is your opinion of Pulse-Detonation technology? You think it would be feasible if I made a bomber using it in the modern tech time frame?
edit: I'm fik.

Could be done, but I have a very low opinion of sub-orbital/hypersonic type bombers.

Yeah, it becomes tougher to deliver payloads as you fly higher and faster. I was thinking of making a B-1B/Tu-160 replacement with excellent cruise missile carrying capabilities which could double as a deep penetration/anti-shipping bomber.

MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF BOA VISTA

The President of the Commonwealth is offering to sell 40 Azores fighter jets to the New Democrats for 400 million dollars. The aircraft can fly up to the speed of Mach 4 with the advent of a new propulsion system. The engine rests on a shock-absorbant and noise-reduction pad that will reduce both excessive noise and vibration wear and tears by 50-60%. The aircraft is capable of carrying 12-15 armed missiles in addition to a laser cannon that can shoot down any fighters with high accuracy.

The aircraft also employs a new cloak technology. The plane itself is practically a large TV screen, with microscoptic cameras on one side projecting images to the other side of the aircraft. The aircraft will prove to be a huge asset fot the New Democrats Air Force. Please let us know of your decision as soon as possible.

Sincerely
Joao Ferreira
Presidential Minister for Public Relations
The Commonwealth of Boa Vista

Yeah, it becomes tougher to deliver payloads as you fly higher and faster. I was thinking of making a B-1B/Tu-160 replacement with excellent cruise missile carrying capabilities which could double as a deep penetration/anti-shipping bomber.

Actually, if you don't have your heart set on building one yourself, I make such a beast in the form of my B-4A Feuersturm. If you want, we could work out a deal for the production rights.

MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF BOA VISTA

The President of the Commonwealth is offering to sell 40 Azores fighter jets to the New Democrats for 400 million dollars. The aircraft can fly up to the speed of Mach 4 with the advent of a new propulsion system. The engine rests on a shock-absorbant and noise-reduction pad that will reduce both excessive noise and vibration wear and tears by 50-60%. The aircraft is capable of carrying 12-15 armed missiles in addition to a laser cannon that can shoot down any fighters with high accuracy.

The aircraft also employs a new cloak technology. The plane itself is practically a large TV screen, with microscoptic cameras on one side projecting images to the other side of the aircraft. The aircraft will prove to be a huge asset fot the New Democrats Air Force. Please let us know of your decision as soon as possible.

Sincerely
Joao Ferreira
Presidential Minister for Public Relations
The Commonwealth of Boa Vista

*drum roll*
and the prize for godmoding goes to...

Yeah, it becomes tougher to deliver payloads as you fly higher and faster. I was thinking of making a B-1B/Tu-160 replacement with excellent cruise missile carrying capabilities which could double as a deep penetration/anti-shipping bomber.

Actually, if you don't have your heart set on building one yourself, I make such a beast in the form of my B-4A Feuersturm. If you want, we could work out a deal for the production rights.
I already have an aircraft with the designation B-4, but it is more like a mach-4 B-2 than a B-1b. I have all the stats I'm just too lazy to post it on my storefront.