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OOC-Info taken from http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers/archive/2002/september/i_pw.html
IC-
Imagine an aircraft that can allow the transport of one division in 5 days, or 5 in 30 days? It will have a 500 foot wingspan. It will be able to go 10 times the size of conventional cargo ships, and carry 1400 tons. No, you didn't read this wrong. 1400 tons. As in 17 fully equipped and loaded M1 Abrams. However, it will only be able to travel 20 feet above water, but 20,000 over land. See the info provided (OOC2-Above link). All interested nations and/or companies please apply for funding and design assistance.

HHHmmm such a massive ekranoplan (sp? the russian name for a WIG craft) would be fun count Crookfur as interested in working on this design, we point you to our list of sucessful joint projects (the T-7 Gilgamesh, joint tactical bomber and the UE Carrier support aircraft amoung other).

OOC-Yes, it's an Ekroplan over water... Needs it to fly over water.
IC- The NEMPD International Section will gladly offer you a spot on the Pelican project.

OOC: Flying that thing over ANY kind of airspace where there is some form of aerial or anti-aircraft threat generally would be suicide or at best very very dangerous. I can imagine it would for first thing be slow as hell, and there is no way anything could miss something that big.

IC: we can put money into this development plan. How much would be needed? A lump sum of 22 Billion USD will be deposited at first to get the ball moving as it were.

OOC:CANT help with design im very busy at work at da mo.

It's the XB-ULRT- Ultra Long Range Transport

OOC: Flying that thing over ANY kind of airspace where there is some form of aerial or anti-aircraft threat generally would be suicide or at best very very dangerous. I can imagine it would for first thing be slow as hell, and there is no way anything could miss something that big.
OOC-This is not meant for actual combat operations. It can actually hit around 300 mph, slow, but this isn't a combat aircraft. It would only fly missions in secure areas, and of course ours will be chock-laden with SOME type of missile defense systems, such as a top and bottomside THEL style lasers, and maybe SLID banks if there was a threat of attack. It'll fly similar missions to that of a C-5, possibly take the same routes any military cargo ship would. Nowhere did I state this was designed for frontline operations.

Yes 300mph is also the top speed of the XB GRST.[aircraft produced by biocorp for 5 months basicaly the same as what you are researching]
This type of aircraft is at least safer than a ship, since submarines cannont threaten it. (submarines and mines are among the biggest threats to sea based convoys) Obviously anyone sending something like this into a situation where its going to face fire from AAA, SAMs or enemy fighters is foolish and deserves to lose it.
Seeing how this is 10 times faster than a ship and is immune from torpedos I say its a good vehicle.

Thanks for the support, IH, we have already begun to lay out the blueprints.
Status-
1st Draft Blueprints-50%
1/20th Scale Model-DONE
Materials Research-50%
Structure Materials Research-10%
Defensive Systems-20%
Electronics-20%
Funding-1st Stage funds of 14 Billion Accumulated.

Thanks for the support, IH, we have already begun to lay out the blueprints.
Status-
1st Draft Blueprints-50%
1/20th Scale Model-DONE
Materials Research-50%
Structure Materials Research-10%
Defensive Systems-20%
Electronics-20%
Funding-1st Stage funds of 14 Billion Accumulated.

Excellent. If any funding or military airstrip is needed please do not hestitate to ask.

OOC:I assume ill get production rights or a discount or sumin like that :)????

Many thanks for accepting us, what do you need? anyway funding for all stages has been set aisde.

Our government has asked us to express our interest in this project, especially in its possibilities. we are a small and developing nation, but we can supply any IT infrastructure you may require.
of course, i cannot tell the president that i offered our aid without a price. small we may be, but not stupid.

OOC:stupid arrogant representatives ;)
but seriously, i'd love to aid, looks interesting, and having one would be good for my little nation. and with the increase to military spending, i should be able to release some money to you.

Our country is extremely interested in a place on this project. Our venerableC-5 Galaxies are beginning to show their age. A single C-5 went down less than a month ago, killing 16 and destroying almost 170 million in cargo.

Our aircraft design firms have considerable experience constructing heavy-lift aircraft, having exported both the C-5 and C-17 at one time.

(ooc: I know it says October 16th to the left, but I'm actually a resurrected nation with a population of 820-odd million people.)

Kielly-Caesar Aeroengines and Longfield Electronics would both like to bid for contracts on this project. As well, the Dominion of Kotterdam offers funding in the form of k5 Billion Kottermarks, the equivalent of $10 Billion US Dollars.

All bids and offers have been selected and approved. Here are some things we need-
A strong, light material or composite for the structure of the wings.
Very large, fuel efficient, engines and propellers
Programming for the Autopilot.

the Nation of Ssakura would like to express it's intrest in this project and it's future. We will be very willing to provide you with 25 billion dollars.
We will be willing to provide more money, when effort is shown o increase the speed of this ship for faster transportation across the surface of our planet.

Terran Eagles Inc. has indicated their wish to design the autopilot for this aircraft. The government of Ancient Terra agrees with this decision. Terran Eagles Inc. maintains the largest network of commercial navigation satellites of all of Ancient Terra, and therefore has extensive experience working with GPS and programming guidance systems. If this offer is accepted, the government will completely finance the autopilot's construction.

In addition, 15 billion has been wired to the project design fund, for use by New Empire.

Nakjo's Fine Team of Scientist are willing to help with defensive systems....

10 million wired

The nation of Suraksha is willing to help provide some funding and use of our some facilities for pre-fabrication of parts.

We mainly use Antonovs, but other types of planes ranging from old WWII planes to the newer C-5s are in use, so our R&D department does have a wide base with which to provide information and/or support.

Maximum financial support we can provide is around $1.8 Billion, and this would be over a period of several weeks rather than all at once (we are not THAT rich). Either that, or as stated above, we can provide usage of several of our high-tech prefabrication facilities. Our Antonovs and other planes are extremely old, so designing cheap and useful custom parts is an almost everyday occurance in these factories.

If there is any other assistance you require, please make sure to mention it.

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd's researchers has had recent success in implementing it's AZ-CMT II and III composite armor as well as it's classified Ti-base alloy frame (of which we would gladly provide you the details) in aircraft, more specifically our AZ-SMF-02 "Deus ex Machina", it has proven to withstand strains in manueverability and payload. We would like to help you in that aspect of development. As well, $2 billion has been wired to help you in this endeavor.

Kielly-Caesar Aeroengines has nearly completed work on a high-efficiency, high-thrust, low-weight turboprop engine based around a JTAGG Phase III (http://www.vtol.org/IHPTET.HTM)-inspired engine core. This engine was intended for modernization of our nation's fleet of C-130 Hercules aircraft, and would be far too weak to power such a massive craft. It has, however, saved Kielly-Caesar most of the design work for the new engine.

As well, Longfield Electronics has commenced work on a terrain/sea following radar for use in the Pelican to allow it to fly more safely at low altitudes. A frequency-agile, Active Electronically Scanned Not Only a RAdar, or AESA-NORA suite is available already, having been designed for use in the advanced AWACS aircraft under development in concert with the Vega Aerospace Consortium. The AESA-NORA suite expands on a concept put forth by Ericsson Microwave Systems (http://www.ericsson.com/microwave/products_sensors_nora.shtml) for a radar that was, as the acronym says, not only a radar, "but also a complete electronic warfare system including jamming and data communication".

Whereas the Ericsson NORA is designed to be a single-axis platform, the AESA-NORA unit developed by Longfield Electronics is a multi-axis system providing a full three hundred and sixty degrees of coverage out to a range of approximately 250 miles. It can detect, track, and identify low-flying enemy and friendly aircraft by using a phenomenon known as Doppler shift to distinguish moving targets from ground clutter and accurately gauge their speed. Between its power, and its frequency agility, it is extremely jam resistant, making it capable of functioning in the presence of heavy electronic countermeasures.

Also, the AESA-NORA suite is capable of switching rapidly from longwave radar search mode to shortwave radar fire control mode. This, combined with the data communication capabilities of the system, allows it to guide Air-to-Air missiles. Escorting aircraft can fly with their search radars off, relying on information from the AESA-NORA, and engage targets with active and semi-active radar guided missiles, all while remaining under EMCON and protected by the guiding aircraft as it jams all but its own radar frequencies.

Designed for Kotterdam's next generation of AWACS aircraft, the AESA-NORA suite would prove especially useful to the Pelican, as an aircraft that large's primary defense from airborne threats would be the ability to direct its escorts to engage and destroy such threats before they can engage the Pelican.

The Nation od Sssakura, having already wired you 25 billion, wires you another 25, in hopes hat we will be able to be one of the first to purchase the ship. Also, we will ship 2 tons of of titanium alloy, for outer plating. It should arrive at noon tommorrow.

Terran Eagles- You have been selected for the systems.
Zvarinograd- You have been selceted for hull composites.
Kielly-Caesar has been selected to work with the Berliston Aerospace team to design the new "superprop" engines.
All others-We thank you for your support. If you didn't get selected specifically, or want to help more, the following positions are availible.
-Defensive and ECM Systems
-Landing and Manuvering Systems (rudders, "flaps", landing gear, etc.)
-Hydraulics and Fuel Systems
-Internal Structure (Light, strong material to hold up wings)
-Computer Design Testing

We could provide some of our new titanium-steel-aluminium alloy that we haev developed for our new tanks for tests with the plane.


OOC:Not very much though because i need it for tanks :)

Hmm... Is it light compared to normal titanium? These are gonna be HUGE wings, I don't want to make them too heavy.

GIAI files a formal complaint against the project.

GIAI has long (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=924751#924751) produced and sold the PelicanULTRA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1568750#1568750) (Ultra Large TRansport Aircraft) and asks that you not copy the aircraft without license.

OOC: Basically asking for a name change...for obvious reasons.

Hmm... Is it light compared to normal titanium? These are gonna be HUGE wings, I don't want to make them too heavy.

OOC: Erm yeah think so 8)

May we join the project?

GIAI files a formal complaint against the project.

GIAI has long (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=924751#924751) produced and sold the PelicanULTRA (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1568750#1568750) (Ultra Large TRansport Aircraft) and asks that you not copy the aircraft without license.

OOC: Basically asking for a name change...for obvious reasons.
OOC-Awww, DAMMIT! Stupid NS search engine
*kicks*
I searched II and NS for Pelican, ULTRA, and all other keywords, and it says it finds NOTHING. Bah!
Sorry, I'll change it. Gimmie a second.

OOC: 'tis fine. I'm surprised that you didn't get any results on 'pelican' though...

The revised search sucks because it only goes about 2 weeks back (*remembers old search that found everything*).

OOC-Yeah. I searched Pelican and transport, to get both, it says nothing. Methinks the search engine has alzenheimers.

WA, you always seem to have every single conceptual aerospace device known to man, I should've known you did the Pelican.

Name changed to "Exodus".

OOC:New Empire,
Only because I'm obsessed with the necessities of modern warfare (say, transport vessels/craft vs. ass-space transport). :wink:

I had to make a lot of my stats from very little...pain in the ass, that.

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd would like to offer it's ECM 7446 jamming suite (with missle lock jammer) to the electronics. It has been found to be not only effective against radar but missle guidance systems as well as GPS frequencies.

We would also like to reiterate that our classified Ti-base alloy is open for you to use for the internal structure.

OOC:
I need to group out what I say to make it easier to read out.

classified Ti-base alloy frame

It's Titanium-Vanadium-Aluminum, super lightweight and heat resistant. Exact ratios on each metal is a Zvarinograd secret that I will share only to allies and co-researchers.

And I'm choosing the AZ-CMT III lightweight composite armor of the two mentioned, it has stealth capabilities as the materials used in the outer platings adsorb radar.

We are inquiring the expected completion date of this project. After already donating a total of 50 billion, we hope that the grant will yeild exceptional results, in a reasonable amount of time.

Well The Kingdom of Crookfur can easily handle any remaining electronics requirments but we can also handle all the aspects of Control, manouver and fuel distributions systems aswell.


Anyway as to specific requirements:
-Defensive and ECM systems: We offer a wide rnage of specially designed Countermeasures suites with automatic and semi automatic functioning of both active and passive counter measures (ranging from broadband ECM and chaff/flares etc all the way through to IR/EO dazzler systems) and our systems are in wide use throughout the NS world on aircraft rnaging from fighters all the way through to heavy bombers and transport aircraft.
-Landing and manouver systems: We produce a wide rnage of aircraft and while this specific type of craft offers unique challenges we can easily handle the requirements ( a full on digital flight control is a msut here, probabaly quad or even octupal Fly by light controls).
-Hydralics and Fuels systems: we consider ourselves world leaders in unusual requirement systems of these types after all none else actively uses rotodynes...
-computer design testing: conputers aren't a problem we are providing core capabilites on a number of leading aircraft and as such have significant facilities for this type of work.


We reiterate our willingness to provide any required funding and in addition offer our extensive testing facilites (both naval and land) for design testing and initial crew training.

Crookfur- You have been selected to work on the fields you requested, and work with Zvarinograd on Defense/ECM systems.
Zvarinograd has also been selected to work on Hull Materials.

Dear NE

We're willing to help. What's there to be done? Infusions of billions in R&D? 8)

Once the final design is laid out, we want all testers to evaluate the capabilities of the Exodus (XC-96).
OK, all you guys with subsystems, please put down what you are putting in on the plane, in detail if possible.

Terran Eagles has completed preliminary testing of the AIA9400 "Walkabout" Autopilot/Guidance System. This system uses an extremely powerful supercomputer to recieve information transmitted from 3 satellites, several topographical and political maps, and ground based transmission systems and complies it all into a single, 3-dimensional map. A course can either be set by inputing the coordinates via a keyboard or by using a stylus to manipulate the touchscreen guidance system. The information is recieved via a super-wideband reciever/transmitter, complete with an encrypt/decrypt module that prevent the enemy from locating the "Exodus" by triangulating the signals.

Three miles before the aircraft reaches land, it will begin rising to 20,000 feet. The computer continually updates course-information and compares it to the map, to ensure that this aircraft gets the maximum use out of "ground-effect". This has been tested on three C-5 Galaxies, and besides some small technical problems (came in too hard upon landing and collapsed gear, jammed flaps), things couldn't have gone smoother. Our technicians assure us that the few problems we've encountered are due to weight/performance differences between the C-5 and the Exodus.

In addition, technicians are working on a seperate plugin for this aircraft's supercomputer that could be quite useful. In a command-variant of the Exodus, the reciever would also compile information transmitted from AWACS and JSTAR aircraft on enemy and allied force composition. We picture this info being displayed on several massive flat-screen monitors in the aircraft's body. In this fashion, a theatre's entire command staff can be airborne, coordinating an assault from the relative safety of 20,000 feet.

the ISK wishes to provide technicians to aid in the cmoputer testnig processes. our labs have expressed interest in simulation-testing of the new plane and are currently building a large simulation suite in Katangara-Proper. if we are not required, the suite will be put to other uses.

OOC:
My part of the subsystems specifications
Hull:
AZ-CMT Composite Armor
- Characterization of Advanced Organic Fibers
- Stress Wave Prediction and Management in Functionally Graded Materials
- Friction Effects on Fabric Structures
- Application of Genetic Algorithms to Composite Analysis and Design
- Carbides as Hard Coating Materials for Polymers, Metals and Ceramics
- Composite Damage Mechanisms
- Armor Model Mechanisms
- Easy Repair of Hybrid Composite Structures
- Photonic Bandgap Materials for Controlled Emissivity Surfaces
- Frequency-Dependent Damping Characteristics of Composites
- Hybrid Materials
- Flexible Polymeric Light-Emitting Diodes
- Nanoparticulate Composite Liquid Shear-Thickening

Frame:
AZ-VAF-A
Titanium - 60%
Vanadium - 5.5%
Aluminum - 0.5%
C Alloy

Highly resistant to rupture and heat (can withstand 1200 degrees Celsius). Lightweight yet inherently strong. The only problem with this alloy is that Vanadium is a rare metal and can only be obtained by either trade, mining (although prospecting process is tediously hard) or by the United Socialist States of Zvarinograd's seawater Uranium extraction technology (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81417) (Vanadium is a by-product in this process).

IC: If any country or Company who is developing a subsystem or anyother kind of system for this aircraft is having monetary difficulties, or has run out of funding, we do have funds that can be allocated to you if so required. Please say so if you believe that these funds will be needed.

OOC:This is me making up for my lack or anything :)

We've finalized our version of AIA9400 Autopilot Module, integrating several advances and bringing its final version to the AIA9450 "Walkabout" Autopilot Module. Extensive testing on C-5 Galaxies resulted in exceptionally few technical difficulties, and all of our previous major problems, including flap jamming and landing trouble, have been rectified.

Twelve modules have been delivered to the nation of Independent Hitman to await installation into the "Exodus" transport.

The various Crookfur segements are nearing completion witt the first units shipping soon.

More detailed news once i figure a few things out.

OOC: I assume therefore that the prototypes are being put together in my country? or should i forward those autopilot modules (thank you Terra) to the New Empire?

Barvaria-Studenland would like to volenteer its services to machine precision parts for the aircraft. In return, we want 3 aircraft.

OOC: Beats me...:D

However, since you're the largest of the nations assembled here (methinks), it'd make the most sense for you to assemble the aircraft, given that you've probably got more advanced/faster/better assembly lines. If not, I guess you can just ship those autopilot modules off to New Empire.

Just make sure to cover them with lots of rubber bumpers from the hardware store. (Yeah, corny Star Control 3 joke, I know...:?)

OOC-All parts shall be forwarded here, where the frame has been built. After the tests, each nation will build 1 and put it through trials.

The Dominion of Kotterdam is forwarding the final specs for the new Kielly-Caesar designed portions of the Superprop engines. Based primarily around a JTAGG Phase-III core architecture, for the most part they are simply a larger version of the engines designed for our C-130 upgrade. You will find, however, that it meets all your requirements. The new engine is designated the TP-730-KC-11 "Superprop".

OOC-All parts shall be forwarded here, where the frame has been built. After the tests, each nation will build 1 and put it through trials.

The autopilot modules have been forwarded via a military C-5 Galaxy with 2 armed guards onboard to prevent any foul play that may have been planned.

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd readies several EA-80 transport planes to deliver the armor modules, plans for the armor and the alloy as well as composite technicians to the New Empire. We do not trust electronic transfer due to hackers.

For it's part in the electronic countermeasures, the United Socialist States of Zvarinograd will transport AZ-T-III ECM 7446 EW suites through EA-80 transport planes. They are preparing to take off as we speak. We have allowed the Kingdom of Crookfur to freely modify our hardware.

AZ-T-III ECM 7446 EW suite

Radar-Detection and Jammer
The AN/ALQ-136(V)2 CMS is designed for the Special Electronics Mission Aircraft (SEMA) and the Special Operations Aircraft (SOA) -- RC-12, MH-47E, MH-60K, EH-60A. This CMS is programmed to respond to the pulse radar signals of the most critical threat weapon system anticipated to be encountered by SEMA and SOA in a hostile environment. It can operate against multiple threat weapons systems simultaneously. It has programmable modules, covers a broader frequency range than the (V)1 CMS and has built-in preplanned product improvement capabilities. The AN/ALQ-136(V)2 CMS consists of three types of line replaceable units (LRUs). These LRUs include one receiver/transmitter (RT) assembly, one control indicator assembly and four antennas. The RT assembly utilizes state-of-the-art gate array and gallium arsenide lightweight circuit boards. The total system weight is 72 pounds.

Russian Aviaconversia GPS and GLONASS Jammer
THE GPS/GLONASS JAMMER HAS AN OUTPUT POWER OF 4 WATTS AND CAN EFFECTIVELY DENY USE OF GPS IN AN AREA RANGING AS FAR AS 150-200 KM. DR. ANTONOV SAID THAT HE HAS ALREADY WORKED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RUSSIAN MILITARY WITH DIRECTIONAL ANTENNAS FOR HIS JAMMER SO THAT IT CAN BE USED TO DIRECTIONALLY JAM WHILE MAINTAINING SAFE AREAS FOR FRIENDLY FORCES TO ACCESS GPS OR GLONASS. THE COEFFICIENT OF ANTENNA AMPLIFICATION RANGES FROM 2-5, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ANTENNA USED. THE ELECTRICAL INPUT SUPPLY IS EITHER BATTERY OR DC LINE VOLTAGE. DR. ANTONOV PRODUCED BOTH 15 V AND 6 V SUPPLIES THAT RAN OFF OF 230 VOLTS LINE INPUT. THE JAMMER DISSIPATES 25 WATTS WHEN IN USE AND WEIGHS BETWEEN 8-12 KG WITHOUT BATTERIES, DEPENDING ON THE CONFIGURATION. IN THE FRONTAL VIEW OF THE JAMMER SHOWN IN BOTH ENCL 1 AND 2, TWO KNOBS CAN BE SEEN AT THE BASE. THE LEFT KNOB IS FOR FREQUENCY MODULATION, AND RANGES FROM 0-6 MHZ. THE RIGHT KNOB IS FOR "VELOCITY CHANGE OF MODULATION" AND RANGES FROM 44-270 HZ. A PORTION OF THE ABOVE DATA IS CONTAINED IN ENCL 3, WHICH IS IN RUSSIAN. THE RO HAD ENCL 3 LOOSELY TRANSLATED, VERBALLY.

IR Detection/Missle System Jammer
The AN/ALQ-144A(V)3 CMS is the upgrade version of the AN/ALQ-144(V)3. It is an active, continuously operating, omni-directional and electrically fired infrared (IR) jammer. This CMS is designed for use on AH-1F and AH-64A/D helicopters to confuse or decoy threat IR missile systems. The AN/ALQ-144A(V)3 CMS is designed to provide jamming of all known IR threat missile systems when operated on helicopters equipped with low reflective paint and engine exhaust suppressors. The AN/ALQ-144A(V)3 CMS consists of a transmitter assembly and an operator control unit (OCU) with dual capabilities. The OCU controls both the AN/ALQ-136(V)1/5 and the AN/ALQ-144(V)3 or AN/ALQ-144A(V)3. The OCU has a 25-pin connector assembly. The total system weight is 30 pounds.

Combining these three jamming systems, the United Socialist States of Zvarinograd has developed an electronic warfare suite that can pound even the latest detection systems to oblivion, bringing a unpiercable shroud over the vehicle.

Very good, everyone. Soon we can begin final testing.