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Our researchers are reviving an old concept, a possibly fictional concept, the mystery Aurora supersonic (mach 5) bomber. Now, with the advent of scramjets, pulse-detonation, advanced liquid hydrocarbon fuels as well as vanadium alloys that can withstand the required 1000 degrees Fahrenheight, we have decided to change that concept into reality. We of the United Socialist States of Zvarinograd are now designing a bomber from a modified SR-71 that can reach extreme speeds so that it will be able to deliver it's undenied ordnance. So far, $10 billion has been funded by the military's research fund, $20 billion by the Dominion of Kotterdam and $40 billion by the Kingdom of Crookfur. Out of a total $40 billion required.

http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/f121-3-m-s.jpg
Model, by artist. Exact image classified.

Materiel:
Frame: Va-base alloy (Classified)
Armor: Va-base alloy (Classified)
Dimensions:
Length - meters: 42.7
Span - meters: 13.5
Wing area - meters squared: 95
Weights: tons
Empty: 19.3
Fuel: 12.6
Payload: 1.5
Max T/O: 34.5
Propulsion:
Powerplant: Two Molotov AZ-59 scramjets with pulse detonation
Thrust - kN: 267
Fuel: AZS-F (Liquid Hydrocarbon)
Performance:
Cruise - Mach: 5 (Estimated)
Ceiling - km: 33
Range - km: 27,750
Electronics: AESA-NORA suite (Kotterdam Technology)
Jammer: ECM 7446 (with missle lock jammer)
OOC:
Aurora Bomber Specifications Source: Boeing
Modified: Propulsion, Materiel, Electronics (Kotterdam, mostly) courtesy of Zvarinograd Research and Development

As I have mentioned before, it's far fetched, but worth a shot as the world has yet to prove that the Aurora is a myth.

In 1985 McDonnell Douglas conducted studies of a Mach 5, 12,000 km range 305 passenger HSCT (hypersonic commercial transport) powered by regenerative ATR (air turboramjet) engines. Initial research led to claims that this type of aircraft was not only feasible, but remarkably efficient. According to these studies, a ramjet was the best option at Mach 5, and that methane was the preferred fuel. Hydrogen was also considered, but it takes up to five times as much space. If the large HSCT was scaled down to the dimensions of an SR-71, the aircraft could have a range of approximately 10,000 miles with a crew of two and a 1 ton sensor suite.

Bump.

If you cannot find someone to provide the remaining funds within a reasonable period of time, the Dominion can probably find a little more in its R&D budget. Also, the AESA-NORA array ought to be ready soon. Longfield Electronics is really confident about this one.

The Kingdom of Crookfur will supply the remaining $40billion developement cost and a number of Sr-71s although some might be in B-71X configuration (our secret bomber update, that used alcohol fuels and a composite frame to get better range and a bit more room so that it can carry 3 bombs (in the 3 missile bays the YF-12 had)).

The Rouge Nation of Gidjajh would gladly Donate $40 billion toward the funding, plus an aditional $50 billion if The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd would share all knowledge they assertain on the Mach 5 bomber.

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd accepts the Kingdom of Crookfur's offer. We apologize to the Rogue Nation of Gidjajjh but we take the most immediate help, however you may purchase the technology later on when the project is completed.

Bump.

Cool thanks for accepting our aid :)


Anyway if we can help anymore just shout.


Just to stick my oar in and just soemthing off the top of my head so feel free to ignore it:

Why use a radar at all? as a high speed stealth or at least stealthy bomber there isn't really much need for one as soem sort of passive or semi passive system would do the job (such as a decent IRST system, which of course could have problems with the extrme heat...). On the other hand this isn't going to be totally stealthy what with the possibility of a massive ionised air trail (a major porblem with the Sr-71, the plane itself is very stealthy but in it's wake it leaves one of the biggest radar traces in existance). Of course you might have solved this problem and perhaps be using plasma stealth or something as fancy so in the end a radar might be nice.



Anyway just some random thoughts that are likely unreadable...

OOC:
I traded in the stealth for the ability to outrun missles. An average AMRAAM goes at constant mach 4, the AZ-SSB-01 "Lynx" can maintain mach 5, the SAM will have to depend on a perfect shot to hit it. That's highly unlikely since the bomber is equipped with my ECM 7446 modification of the GPS/Radar jamming ECM 5446 that can direct it's pulses to any missles, nulling thier lock. In the end, they can see it, but they can't do anything about it. However, you might be right, I need stealth to keep up with today's technology. I can opt for the plasma stealth research now that you have given me sufficient funds to compensate. However, the radar remains there. Favor for Kotterdam.

OOC:
Bump.

Crookfur makes a good point on the IRST system, and it would indeed be a good idea to include something like a supercooled IRSTS for short-range, passive detection. Most such systems are only really effective out to thirty miles or so, however, and while this puppy is likely to be fast enough to outrun most missiles, it isn't likely to be used long before someone (possibly even me) designs a missile fast enough to engage and destroy it, at which point it would be really nice to see the enemy coming. Hence the AESA-NORA system I have designed.

This will be a scaled down version, capable of detecting targets out to a "mere" hundred and fifty miles, but it will retain the frequency agility, as well as the electronic warfare and data communication capabilities of its larger, more powerful brother. The AESA-NORA suite expands on a concept put forth by Ericsson Microwave Systems (http://www.ericsson.com/microwave/products_sensors_nora.shtml) for a radar that was, as the acronym says, Not Only a RAdar. It grants an aircraft a wide range of electronic warfare and data transfer options as well as the obvious search and track applications.

Between its power, and its frequency agility, it is extremely jam resistant, making it capable of functioning in the presence of heavy electronic countermeasures. Also, the AESA-NORA suite is capable of switching rapidly from longwave radar search mode to shortwave radar fire control mode. This, combined with the data communication capabilities of the system, allows it to guide Air-to-Air missiles. Escorting aircraft can fly with their search radars off, relying on information from the AESA-NORA, and engage targets with active and semi-active radar guided missiles, all while remaining under EMCON and protected by the guiding aircraft as it jams all but its own radar frequencies.

Now at the speed at which a Lynx is likely to be traveling, escorting aircraft are unlikely to be able to keep up, but at the same time, suddenly getting acquired by a fire control radar just might spook an enemy pilot long enough for the Lynx to sprint past him at hypersonic speeds. It also opens up the possibility of mounting Air-to-Air missiles in a weapons bay for self defense. Perhaps a radar-guided, medium-to-long ranged version of the rear-launch capable R-77M missile designed by the Russians. It could be launched at pursuing targets, as most enemies are likely to be struggling to keep up.

EDIT:
OOC - W00t! 500 posts!

Methane.....?

What a smelly plane ;)

Hwy newb change the fucking name asap or i declare war on you. I own the rights to the name aurora, my flagship has been the aurora class, the only aurora on ns that for 3 months.

OOC:
It's not named Aurora. It's Lynx, I was comparing it to the real life "mysterious" Aurora bomber project.

READ.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1119487&highlight=#1119487

Hwy newb change the f--- name asap or i declare war on you. I own the rights to the name aurora, my flagship has been the aurora class, the only aurora on ns that for 3 months.

YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT A NAME! ESPECIALLY ONE THAT EXISTS IN REAL LIFE!

Argh!

This bloody 'copyright' thing has spiralled out of control.........

OOC: Three things

1) As I understand it, if you declare war on somone for OOC reasons, they can ignore you.

2) The Aurora is a real world concept. If this WAS named the Aurora, it would be like telling us to change the name of the F-22 because you had a ship called the Raptor.

3) It's not named the Aurora. It's named the Lynx. It's just BASED off the Aurora.

Have a nice day.

OOC:
Can I copyright the name of my band?
No. Names are not protected by copyright law. Some names may be protected under trademark law. Contact the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office, 800-786-9199, for further information.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

In short, legally you can not copyright a name, or you will be breaking the law. You don't want that do you?

The Aurora class is copyrighted to me by the NS copyright act many months ago. Its is not an ooc reason.

OOC:
Yes but it's not called the Aurora. Damnit!

Names simply aren't meant to be "copyrighted", else a company can just take all the names anyone can think of and stop anyone from being able to use them. Which seems against anyone's right to have a name.

OOC: The above aircraft is the Lynx Hypersonic Bomber. It is based off of the Aurora Hypersonic Spy plane rumoured to be under development by the real life US Government. Since we are not naming this bomber the Aurora there is no breach of any copyright law, be it NS or otherwise. You have no reason to invade, or even to use harsh language.

WELL DONT SAY THE AURORA IN THE HEADING ]OR PARAGRAPH EDIT IT AND SAY THE RL AURORA NOT THE NS ONE BECAUSE IT IS MINE
THIS IS NOT THE US GOVERNMENT THIS IS NS< IN IT I OWN THE AURORA CLAS

OOC: IH, that, is an OOC reason. While you may own the Aurora-class in the NS world, in the NS world the thread headers DO NOT EXIST. If you go to war over a thread header, you are going to war for an OOC reason. Regardless of your actions from here on out, I am hereby ignoring you.

LOL NEWBIE you cant ignore over something you arnt involved in

OOC:
Why not? What's stopping him from ignoring you? What's stopping me from ignoring you?

Ignored from now to eternity.

put rl aurora in the heading< or else i will attack you

OOC: But I am, my friend. Zvarinograd is my ally, and what's more, my nation is providing the radar for this aircraft, as well as a large portion of the funding, and a lot of the production capability. If you invaded him, you'd have to invade me too, and not only that, even if you didn't invade me, I'd respond. If you tried to use ICBMs to destroy his country, or orbitally launched missiles, it would be my ABMs that engaged and destroyed them. To make a long story short, I am intimately involved in this situation, and thus you are ignored. This will be my last post in reference to you, or anything you say or do. Further posts in a thread begun by myself will be considered flames, and brought to the attention of the moderators. A piece of advice: Stop this. You're making an ass of yourself. Have a nice day.

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd is now in the phase of developing it's first prototype of a long series of prototypes to completely be assured of excellent performance at hypersonic speeds. We can not be too sure as a fatal mistake can cause an aircraft barreling towards the ground going at five times the speed of sound, causing it and it's volatile ordnance to create mayhem at the crash area. We will keep the world updated of any further developments.

IH: i suggest you back down while you do indeed own the IP rights to your aurora class these don't cover the name i'm afraid the whole NS copyrighting thing is merely to protect your actual work on designing the thing.

Especially considering the fact that the name is not an issue here (as the craft is named the lynx) but the thread discriptor. I hate to break it to you but there are many many people (myself included) who have never heard of your ship and when we see the name aurora we think of the whole area-51 thing. By extending this you are actually giulty of misleading customers, the name aurora conjurs up an image of a fast super secret aircraft in the mind of just about anyone vaguely familiar with mil-tech or the X-files (although there is a number who will think of the northern lights etc) rahter than some ship.


It is none here's fault that you can't come up with an original naming scheme for your ships and if you feel you must try and go to war over this please feel free to try and mount an attack on, we promise not to completely glass your nation in revenge.

OOC:
Bump.

The United Socialist States of Zvarinograd's researchers are now finalizing the design of the hypersonic bomber as earlier tests ensured pilot survival. Our Vanadium base alloy had difficulties initially but is now functional at the extremely high temperatures involved. The Lynx will make it's grant debut in a year or two, depending on the final test results.

Bump.