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Hello!!! (Nice enthusiastic welcome :D )

I, as you can see, am City of Freedom, and I am a Freedom Country puppet. Some of you may hate FC's guts (coughTerepacough :wink: ), others may like him. This nation was formed as a backup in case some other nation (coughDTcough :roll: ) tried to invade.

I have dug up this old nation, and have decided to do something new with it. Space tech? Dont know a thing :shock: !! World War 2? Know even less :D . Elves? WHAT :? ??? So I decided to stick to Current Tech, but be an Eastern Block nation.

Now some of you may have see that I dug up some C&C Generals pics, and said they were my units. Now, most of them look like cannon fodder (minus the Warmaster, its swell :) ), especially the Battlemaster one. T-55 to me :wink: .

I, therefore, have decided to make a join tank program. I have seen stuff like the T-80UM5 (Hats off to DT :) ), T-7 'Miglamesh' (Sp? Crookfur, and co. 8) ) and my own (the complete failure called the FT-9 :wink: ). I want something better, something to match the T-7, T-80UM5, T-94 and co.

I decided to open it to you lot, the NS fanatics that join me almost every day :wink: . So, here we go. Whos interested?

A few guidelines:

Electro Thermal Cannon (someone explain how it works?)
AT LEAST 12 ATGM's.
1/2/3 .50 cal guns, 1 mounted in co axis with the main gun.
ERA
Total ownage :wink:

Some design concepts:

http://www.cncden.com/cncgenerals_pics/generals_screen013.jpg
(Hats off to C&C Generals, again :)

http://generals.editingsource.com/models/warmaster01.jpg
(The Mod Squad at CNCDen :D )

So, who wants to join?

Electrothermalguns.work.by.propelling.the.round.with.plasma.not.gunpowder.

Use.Fuel.CElls
Uninhabited.turret.
Common.Modular.Missile.System(12ATGMSinone)
Instead..of.a.50cal.use.a.25mm.OCSW.

Nobackspace.sorry

Its the T-7 Gilgamesh (named after the legendary ultimate warrior from babalonian legend, he could only be defeated by his deamon twin, his story is alos the first recorded example of fiction in existance).


The reason thata the gilgamesh only has 1 secondary AP weapon is because others simpley weren't needed (i did toy with sticking on a GPMG coaxialy with the main gun on my version but decided against it).

Gilgamesh.died.of.old.age.

One.AP.Weapon.is.enough.

Stick to buying others tnaks until you learn something aobut military tech.

The reason I decided to do a JOINT project was because I know nothing of tanks :wink:

This site has some info on ETC guns:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/5fcs97.pdf

Elias precision Engineering can make the powerplant?

Sure they can.

Add you to the list.

The Syntec Corporation would like to join this venture and develop a new composite armor. Do you accept our offer?

http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/images/synteclogo.JPG (http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/products.html)

http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/images/dravis.jpg
-Josef Dravis
C.E.O. of The Syntec Corporation

Well, I've got the T-90A3 Vatutin, I'd have the specs and pic for you right now but I just spent the last 15 minutes getting it all only to have my internet disconnect...

Take that back, I can produce cannons for this new tank, I have the SIC-10 cannon, an extremely powerful cannon that employs the SATCM-23 material that builds up so much power that it would flashboil normal conductors such as silicon, gold, and copper. The SIC-10 cannon system would require massive amounts of power (stored by SATCM-23 coils) and built up by a generator that also uses the SATCM-23 material. Upon firing the energy is released into the cannon and therefor switches the poles for a split second in the barrel and therefore propels the round (usually an iron-encased depleted uranium sabot slug) out at a top speed (with full power and also requires the most charging time) of Mach 2.4. Therefore, no armor can defend against it up to ranges of 16 miles. Upon impact with an enemy tank, the tank will basically implode... To counter act the sonic boom created from the round exceeding Mach 1, the barrel is encased in special sound-absorbing materials with couter wave systems to resonate the sound inside the barrel. Although the noise is greatly reduced, it can still be heard, fairly loud. Also, hardly any systems are required for aiming as all you have to do is basically aim the barrel at the target and fire. If you are interested in employing this cannon on your tank, inform me.

Syntec, you are in.

Soviet, that sounds future techy. Sorry!!!

[quote="Former Soviet Nations"]Tfiring the energy is released into the cannon and therefor switches the poles for a split second in the barrel and therefore propels the round (usually an iron-encased depleted uranium sabot slug) out at a top speed (with full power and also requires the most charging time) of Mach 2.4. Therefore, no armor can defend against it up to ranges of 16 miles. Upon impact with an enemy tank, the tank will basically implode... [\quote]

umm how is this any better than the Mach 4 Sabot Depleted uranium round that the M1 abrams uses?

At Mach 2.4, the shell's only gonna travel about .41 miles, so I don't think anything at 16 miles will have to worry.

Well, I didn't mean Mach 2.3 or 2.4, I meant Mach 8. Sorry for confusion. And also, it loses no altitude for 16 miles.

So...it defies gravity? :?

So...it defies gravity? :?

of course, it has a miniscule hover drive to keep the rod stable :roll:

and besides if it followed a strait trajectory i still don't think 16 miles would be realistic, it'd have hit something by then.

Please stop this hijack. The cannon is REFUSED.

Too big a recoil, too heavy, and too complex :?

Sorry, but I have to clear this up.

The barrel is relatively light, slightly heavier than standard barrels. And it has no recoil, its basically a large rail gun, although modern. And 16 miles is its effective kill-range, sorry if I stated straight-line in my last post. Although it does maintain a straight line course for roughly 9 to 12 miles depending on relative conditions...

I'd continue, but I respect your wishes Freedom, and I apologize.

Rejected

ET exists, Rail GUNS DO NOT.

People make railguns all the time. They're not just practical...at all.

Doubly rejected

Our tanks are usually:

Reliable
Easily Maintained
PRACTICAL

The Syntec Corp's labs have designed a new type of armor:

Class C-88VX Armor

This is a composite armor consisting of carbon-plating and a plastic/fiberglass mixture, with a thin layer of aluminum underneath. This greatly reduces the weight of the vehicle, as opposed to large use of medals.

http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/images/composite.JPG

Plastic/fiberglass armor is a recent developement. It withstands most rounds well, but the true value is in the weight that it helps take off the vehicle. This makes transportation much easier and less costly, and increases the mileage of the vehicle.

Carbonplating is a type of materal made by weaving strands of carbon fibers together to produce a tough, relatively light, shock-absorbing material.

The underlayer of aluminum adds a small layer of protection to the crews in case of a pierce of the outer layers.


However, if strength is more of a concern than speed, we have another option.

Class C-86VX Armor

This is another composite that also uses carbonplating. It has another layer underneath consisting of depleted uranium for extremely effective (but very heavy) AP protection. Under that is a thin layer of steel to offer increased protection and absorb some of the light radiation that may come off the DU.

http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/images/synteclogo.JPG (http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/products.html)

http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/images/dravis.jpg
-Josef Dravis
C.E.O. of The Syntec Corporation

We will take the C-88VX armor please, for this tank.

We ask its price, on average, to cover a tank.

We also see that due to the lowered weight, more aromr could be fitted on?

This means super huge armor depths, and AP protection from up toe 120mm ET shells?

And could you whack up some Computer units please?

The C-88VX costs $120 per square foot.

If you want, yes, you can apply more armor, but that somewhat neutralizes the whole purpose of rendering the vehicle lighter by applying this armor. Still, it would work just fine if you did that.

Yes, it can protect well up to 120mm, and including that. However, if you want increased protection, we can double the carbonplating content, which increases the price to $170 per square foot. This would protect it up to approximately 160mm. After that, the shells generally have so much explosive power that it doesn't matter.

And I'll see what I can do for computer units. Do you have anything that you specifically want?

Well, think about it.

A tank with huge amounts of STRONG armor....at the same weight as the same tank with smaller amounts of armor, at a heavier weight.

Carbon fibre, yes, more I think. That would be good, yes.

Computer systems....mmmm.

Nano machined, compact and powerful. Sound good

Yes, but what do you want? Targeting systems? Location-finding systems? Autopilot? Etc...

Yeh, all that stuff. But Autopilot :shock: :?

Its a tank.

Yeh, all that stuff. But Nano Machined, made from nano technology :)

FC: nano tech?

geez you use land rovers and now you want nano tech, thats even more far off than rail guns!!!!!!!

Land Rovers :?:

My City of Freeom thing. Yeh :)

Well, maybe not. Unless VX has the tech :) :P

We do have the capability, but why would you want it to be nanotech? In such an environment, even just a slight shock from a bump or a shell hitting the hull (not including the explosion) could destroy or disable it.

Hmm, I may have a targetting and tracking system for your tank...

We have the Shtora-3 countermeasures suite which can interrupt other tanks computing systems and cause them to process information a bit slower as well as a laser system that can scramble the enemy tank's rangefinder. It also has a passive system that when an enemy AT missile is picked up it can scramble its radar and tracking.

And we also have the ALMRS/TTAC-03 targetting, tracking, and acquisition system. With that system it can track up to 12 targets on the battlefield (excluding friendly units) and fire on up to two at the same time (assuming the tank has an AT rocket slide). The system can be hooked up to servo's and hydraulics to automatically position the turret for the best firing position and MOA. With the system, the commander can either get an enhanced 110 degree view ahead with limited peripheral vision in multiple modes (infrared, sub-light conditions, etc.) or a plain 90 degree view that can swivel 360 degrees. The system computes all variables and sets the turret and barrel angle accordingly to provide the best accuracy and lethality.

If both or either of these systems are chosen then the price shall be discussed...

Hmm, I may have a targetting and tracking system for your tank...

We have the Shtora-3 countermeasures suite which can interrupt other tanks computing systems and cause them to process information a bit slower as well as a laser system that can scramble the enemy tank's rangefinder. It also has a passive system that when an enemy AT missile is picked up it can scramble its radar and tracking.

And we also have the ALMRS/TTAC-03 targetting, tracking, and acquisition system. With that system it can track up to 12 targets on the battlefield (excluding friendly units) and fire on up to two at the same time (assuming the tank has an AT rocket slide). The system can be hooked up to servo's and hydraulics to automatically position the turret for the best firing position and MOA. With the system, the commander can either get an enhanced 110 degree view ahead with limited peripheral vision in multiple modes (infrared, sub-light conditions, etc.) or a plain 90 degree view that can swivel 360 degrees. The system computes all variables and sets the turret and barrel angle accordingly to provide the best accuracy and lethality.

If both or either of these systems are chosen then the price shall be discussed...

Oops, double post or whatever you call it? Sorry...

We can provide Electrical Effect Armor (EEA) or Kaktus 3rd Generation Explosive Reactive Armor, OR MEXAS NonExplosive Reactive Armor (NERA).

Rejected

ET exists, Rail GUNS DO NOT.Yes, they do. They're not quite ready for use in tanks, but they do exist.

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While the Dominion does offer ETC weaponry, we are still working all the kinks out. We do, however, have an alternative: The ASP-WS, a solid propellant tank gun. The ASP is not simply a gun, though. It is a weapon system involving specialized rounds and propellant, ranging from relatively standard HEAT, to APFSDS-T, and even the new RAKE-AT rocket assisted round.

Advanced Solid Propellent Weapon System
(ASP-WS)

Specifications
Primary Function Anti-Tank
Contractor Kinnesy Heavy Industries
Calibre 130mm
Calibre Length L55
Rifling N/A (Smoothbore)
Kill Range 4 km
Accurate Range 6 km
Penetration Capabilities at Kill Range 910mm (HEAT round versus Rolled Homogenized Armour)
Production Rights $44.6 Million

Notes
The Advanced Solid Propellent Weapon System, or ASP Gun was developed as an alternative for the ETC cannon currently used in Kotterite tanks. Although quite a great deal cheaper than the currently employed weapon system, it did not have quite the same pentration capability as the new ETC weapons. It involves a new 55-calibre length barrel, granting some improvement in muzzle velocity, and a chamber built from the same high-grade steel as the gun barrel to improve its pressure tolerances.

The ASP gun's effectiveness stems not from the gun alone, although that is a factor. Rather, most of the increased power of the weapon stems from the rounds fired. The propellent, to begin with, is designed to have a greater rate of surface burning progression, allowing for higher pressure gradients with which to propel the projectile. This translates into greater muzzle velocity and superior striking power.

As well, there is a new penetrator round included in the production rights. The Rocket-Assisted Kinetic Energy Anti-Tank round, or RAKE-AT involves a standard armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) round into which a small solid-fuel rocket engine has been built. This engine is fused to fire on impact to drive the penetrator up to even higher speeds for greater armour penetration. Tests with this new type of amunition showed that it exhibited impressive capabilities even against tanks with Explosive Reactive Armour.

The ASP Weapon System is capable of firing HEAT, APFSDS-T, Canister, HE-FRAG, and RAKE-AT rounds without difficulty. It can even fire the new ATG-1 Mjolnir Anti-Tank Guided Missile from its barrel, just like the ETC weapon currently mounted on the MBT-3A1.

As well, we also offer an anti-tank missile capable of using the barrel as a launcher. The ATG-1 Mjolnir is a multifunction weapon capable of engaging tanks as well as other ground targets, and even low flying airborne targets like helicopters.

ATG-1 Mjolnir Anti-Tank Guided Missile
(ATGM)

Specifications
Primary Function Anti-Tank Guided Missile
Secondary Function Short Range Surface-to-Air MIssile
Contractor Vega Aerospace Consortium
Power Plant Single-stage solid fuel rocket
Length 1 meter
Range 6.5 kilometers
Guidance System Imaging Infrared (I2R)
Warhead HEAT Tandem Charge
Unit Cost $521,000

Notes
Known as the "Kermit" by the test crews for the odd "frog-hop" it executes in its anti-tank mode to attack the weaker top armour, the ATG-1 was developed to be used specifically by the second generation Werewolf, although it is available in portable launchers. Lethal out to its maximum range of 6.5 kilometers, the ATG-1 is a dual-mode weapon, capable of engaging low-flying air targets such as helicopters as well as other armoured vehicles. Equipped with a stand-off probe to defeat wire mesh and chain skirt defensive systems, the ATG-1 also employs a tandem charge with which to counter Explosive Reactive Armour.

As well, our own MBTs are equipped with pod launchers for yet another ATGM: The Thunderbolt.

Thunderbolt Anti-Tank Guided Missile
(ATGM)

Specifications
Primary Function Anti-Tank Guided Missile
Secondary Function Short Range Surface-to-Air MIssile
Contractor Vega Aerospace Consortium
Power Plant Single-stage solid fuel rocket
Length 1.5 meters
Range 3 kilometers
Guidance System Imaging Infrared (I2R)/Laser Guided
Warhead HEAT Tandem Charge
Unit Cost $401,000

Notes
The Thunderbolt, like the ATG-1, is a dual mode weapon with a tandem charge and a stand off probe. It can engage both tanks and low flying aircraft in either Laser or passive infrared mode. While the ATG-1 would be selected for attacking helicopters, to engage a low-flying strike aircraft such as the Warthog or the Frogfoot the Thunderbolt in IR tracking mode would be the weapon of choice. Not as sophisticated as the ATG-1, the Thunderbolt is a direct attack weapon without a pop-up top attack mode like that on the ATG-1, and as such is often considered a secondary weapon.

We hope that one or more of these weapons will prove sufficient to your needs.

Sincerely,
Thomas Landon
Trade Attache
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Dominion of Kotterdam

Offers from:

Kotterdam for the ASP-WS ET Cannon
UE for the powerplant
Syntec Corps for the Armor

I will do the computers (seen as it is about the only major thing left), and the ATGM's.

Ok?

It works quite well for me, but if I might make a slight correction: The ASP-WS is an Advanced Solid Propellant Cannon, not an ET Cannon. Other than that, I'd be happy to contribute.

Still, all the same.

To: Freedom Country Weapons Development Bureau
From: Cyan Bloodworth, VP AGNOS Arms Manufacturing
Subject: Proposed Targeting System For Joint Tank Venture

Our GodsEye targeting system uses three individual processors that are linked for sharing of information. They are based in a conductive gel and are free-floating so as to be relatviely unharmed by even a serious impact from an enemy main gun. The advantages to using the gel is excellent shock absorption as well as easy upgradability due to the gelatinous nature of the matrix.

The targeting array itself can actually control the main gun in autofire mode or, when specific pressure points are relaxed in the midst of battle (critical points that a concious person would have to use to operate the tank), assume fire control and continue to fire using an autoloader. The array can target up to ten individual targets and engage in priority order, either set by the commander or by the default risk assessment programs. The automated fire control can be disabled at any time however for commanders who do not like to use it. We have found that the matrix can still effectively operate after a direct hit to the tank that would incapacitate the crew. As long as the internal mechanics and electronic systems remain intact, the automated system can ssume control and contiue to carry on fighting... up to the ten targets.

Wwe are currently working on threat assessment software that will be able to identify enemy targets and engage them after the assigned ten have been taken care of.

In addition, the GodsEye is capable of point defense procedures and can be used/adapted to virtually all vehicle defense systems. The processors are capable of tracking up to five incoming threats as respond accordingly depending on the defensive systems on the tank/armored vehicle.

We would be more than willing to offer this system as your targetting array. Please let us know so that we may better support you.


[signed]
Cyan Bloodworth
Vice President
AGNOS Arms Manufacturing

Agnos.

We are not sure of your new system, it seems complicated and difficult to install, and generally not worth it.

We still wish you to do the Targeting Systems, burt something more basic.

We will gladly enter into this joint venture with a more conventional system with the same general capabilities and will work to ensure that the system we plan to use is both efficient, expedient, easy to install and up tot he task of managing a modern piece of armor.

I am not saying it isnt a good bit of kit, just not managable, easily served by an unskilled crew and expensive.