A massive underwater carrier
Would this be possible a sub about twice as tall and twice as wide as an ohio. The lauches aircraft by dumping them into the water from a retractible hole in the bottomeof the ship. To come back the same prousidre would be followed. To get to the surface the planes would use porpellers strapped on the would be realeased wehn the break air. To get back underwater an other porpeller would do it. It would be capable of carrying 24 aircraft and luanch them all in 30 minutes
Arribastan
11-10-2003, 00:06
I will say something, and it may seem repetitive, but
you can't afford it
I know but if I could would it work
Sure... it would PROBABLY be possible but it would be a complete waste of money and useless in a war...
We do have plans but they are very roungh it would take a very long time to prouduce. The main purpose it would be was you could sneek up and have the ability to for example laucnch figters from lake michagen
No Actually it coulb be a a carrier which can compltely submerge itself like a submarine and it can have a big stealth system well never ming lima beens :roll:
The planes would be drenched. You wouldn't be able to start the engines.
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so you don't want to fund us. Ohhhhhhhh well back to hoping. We would provide the workforce and a good deal of the money.
Submarine work under water. Anyw ay It may have a letex seal until it broke the water barrier. But think about it you could lauch fighters from Lake Michagen
No maybe you wanna develop a huge aircraft carrier?
Even if it WAS possible (& for some reason feasible) to launch planes from under the water, why would you do it? Sonar would easily detect something so big, & enemy ships would hardly mind depth charging the thing to death instead of putting a bunch of missiles through it.
I know It woulde stop when lauching planes.
no. It would probally be cheaper to buy a couple smaller ones but if you're willing to fund me :D
The tooker
11-10-2003, 00:19
subs work under water because they use a propeller and the engine is inside. You would need VERY specially designed planes
i no. But it would work. It doesn't even use its engine underwater. And who ruled out porpellars?
i no. But it would work. It doesn't even use its engine underwater. And who ruled out porpellars?
No. It wouldn't work. Planes don't use their engines underwater, but if submerged in water, it would probably impossible to start their engines.
Sorry I left out a part. Letex seals protect the engines until it gets out of the water it gets out by a solid fuel booster at the end of the plane.
Har Land
11-10-2003, 01:06
So how are you going to land the planes?
Crookfur
11-10-2003, 01:12
Sorry I left out a part. Letex seals protect the engines until it gets out of the water it gets out by a solid fuel booster at the end of the plane.
A few factors to consider:
Air craft engines take time to get up to thier operating speeds, so somehow, your system will release them underwater, get them to the surface, use a rocket to lauch them into the air and propell them at take off speed long enough for the engines to spin up and reach the point when they take over the powering of the craft?
More than a little complex with numerous problems (are those Latex covers jettisoned? or retained? what effect would their stowage have on flight perfromance? etc etc).
imported_Sentient Peoples
11-10-2003, 01:15
For godssakes. For the final time, submarine carriers using modern technology DO NOT WORK.
Why?
Because you cannot build a plane that will take the impact with the water to land. That's the primary reason.
Anything built strong enough to take the impact won't fly. Anything that will fly will break.
Submarine carriers do not work.
Nianacio
11-10-2003, 01:17
How stupid would it be to try to make a pusher prop airplane that can also go short distances underwater?
use another porpellar when they get back we dry them
Arribastan
11-10-2003, 01:19
it would be almost useless. if it was a pusher prop airplane, it couldn't go fast enough so it wouldn't be shot down.
Zvarinograd
11-10-2003, 01:20
OOC:
Out of curiousity, how do Tomahawks get launched from a submarine while underwater?
Nianacio
11-10-2003, 01:20
it would be almost useless. if it was a pusher prop airplane, it couldn't go fast enough so it wouldn't be shot down.I know it wouldn't survive in modern air-to-air combat. Could it work for a small sport aircraft or WWII-era-performance aircraft?
Arribastan
11-10-2003, 01:21
maybe. if someone is willing to buy a submarine to support their "sport aircraft" :D
Nianacio
11-10-2003, 01:22
maybe. if someone is willing to buy a submarine to support their "sport aircraft" :DYeah, not very practical, but maybe something for the tourism industry to look into.
you can do it. You can basically get a typhoon carrier remove the missile tubes and put VTOL in the hull you probably fit maybe 4-6 in there. But you have to surface to launch planes making the sub very vurnable.
Plus its dangerous to land and take off both for the sub and the aircraft.
So basically its pointless.
Clanicka
11-10-2003, 01:26
Dude, if your going to build large scale weaponry, focus on bombs and such, not actual military units designed to fight in or on the field. Just some advice from the semi-wise.
Would this be possible a sub about twice as tall and twice as wide as an ohio. The lauches aircraft by dumping them into the water from a retractible hole in the bottomeof the ship. To come back the same prousidre would be followed. To get to the surface the planes would use porpellers strapped on the would be realeased wehn the break air. To get back underwater an other porpeller would do it. It would be capable of carrying 24 aircraft and luanch them all in 30 minutes
Dude! Those would be very expensive aircraft considering the fact that you'd have to replace those very pricey propellers(very powerful if they get a plane airborne from underwater) and rig up a fancy system for that hole in the ship that comes in and out of the ship itself.
Arribastan
11-10-2003, 01:28
:idea: I suppose you could modify it for a one-time thing. you know, commando mission, and a sub surfaces, a helicopter takes off, drops men on land and flies back to sub, etc. might work.
Crookfur
11-10-2003, 01:30
Wouldn't a civilian cargo ship with a disgiused launching facility work better? i mean if you have to surface at least give them soemthing they expect to see...
Arribastan
11-10-2003, 01:31
that ones even better. wow.
*rushes off to make plans*
New Empire
11-10-2003, 01:35
Sorry I left out a part. Letex seals protect the engines until it gets out of the water it gets out by a solid fuel booster at the end of the plane.
So you're talking about 45 minutes of prep. per plane by strapping a bunch of crap on to it, and making planes much more expensive. Not to mention, but why WOULD you want to launch planes from Lake Michigan? Long range carrier fighters would still be better. This project has been declared FOWL.
(F**king Outrageous Waste of Logistics.)
New Empire
11-10-2003, 01:35
Wouldn't a civilian cargo ship with a disgiused launching facility work better? i mean if you have to surface at least give them soemthing they expect to see...
Yeah, I tried that once. Put a bunch of harriers in the hold of a modified cargo ship. Very good for special operations support.
OOC:
Out of curiousity, how do Tomahawks get launched from a submarine while underwater?
It can. The USN have been launching all kinds of SLBMs, cruise missiles, and anti-ship missiles from submarines for many times now.
Crookfur
11-10-2003, 01:38
Wouldn't a civilian cargo ship with a disgiused launching facility work better? i mean if you have to surface at least give them soemthing they expect to see...
Yeah, I tried that once. Put a bunch of harriers in the hold of a modified cargo ship. Very good for special operations support.
IIRC the UK MoD operated a few harriers and sea kings from cargo vessels during the falklands, i'll need to look that up.
Zvarinograd
11-10-2003, 01:50
OOC:
Out of curiousity, how do Tomahawks get launched from a submarine while underwater?
It can. The USN have been launching all kinds of SLBMs, cruise missiles, and anti-ship missiles from submarines for many times now.
OOC:
I know it's possible, but how does it actually happen? :roll:
OOC:
Out of curiousity, how do Tomahawks get launched from a submarine while underwater?
It can. The USN have been launching all kinds of SLBMs, cruise missiles, and anti-ship missiles from submarines for many times now.
OOC:
I know it's possible, but how does it actually happen? :roll:
Newton's third law.
Crookfur
11-10-2003, 21:19
OOC:
Out of curiousity, how do Tomahawks get launched from a submarine while underwater?
It can. The USN have been launching all kinds of SLBMs, cruise missiles, and anti-ship missiles from submarines for many times now.
OOC:
I know it's possible, but how does it actually happen? :roll:
It depends on the submarine launching it, if it's a 668 LA class sub with the 12 forward mounted VLS tubes, then you simply fire off the booster rocket which carries the missile out of the water and high enough for the main motor to start.
For torp tube launching i assume its similar to the system used with harpoon missiles, the missile is fired out in a water tight container that floats to the surface and releases the missile which takes off with the booster rocket.
i no. But it would work. It doesn't even use its engine underwater. And who ruled out porpellars?
OOC: Take your mommy's car and drive it into a lake, then take it out of the lake and try starting it again. That is what happens to a plane when it is underwater.
use another porpellar when they get back we dry them
Using this logic, the 747 from TWA flight 800 would still be useable.