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"In response to the declaration of war upon our ally Roania the The Theocracy of Anti-Funitism has launched an all out attack on Crimmonds 'Lunar Yard 1' 320 of our 420 vessels have been sent to attack the base of operations."


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"Once again we find ourselves here...once again will the enemies of the League feel our wrath." Muttered Overlord Filomena Sanian, daughter of Guhentz Sanian. "I order all forces to attack, destroy the Pirate scum of Crimmond!"

320 AF vessels decloaked themselves just inside firing range of Lunar Yard 1 and began to fire.

We shall join in your crusade to rid the evil crimmond, we shall send 50 star class frigates.

Victory! VIVA la death to Crimmond

OOC: You sonofa... I NEVER declared war on Roania! Show me the thread!

Yes I sent ships to Orion, but they simply arrived and... did NOTHING! My leader did not make any statement, the military council made no declarations...

If any Lunar strikes are needed, just ask us, we're in the vicinity.

OOC: To make matters worse, I have to go out of town through the weekend. Convention thing. I made sure to not get in any big RPs and one falls in my lap. Plus on another game, ALL the good stuff is gonna happen tommorow and I won't have access to the game. I am so pissed at the world right now...

We shall join in your crusade to rid the evil crimmond, we shall send 50 star class frigates.

Victory! VIVA la death to CrimmondI'll deal with you when I get back... unless another nation saves me the trouble and bombs the hell out of you.

OOC:

Ok you post your losses and I'll post mine, and then TG me when you get back. 8)

IC:

The attack went extremely well, her father would be pleased. Only 1 vessel destroyed and two lightly damaged before disengagement.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79578

As satisfying to watch as that would be, you are all saved a great deal of trouble.

Though Crimmond will be on more frequently than me, so maybe this can carry on.

Its pointless, the only reason we attacked was because he was a threat to you...my ally.

Ok, if the war isn't on then this attack didn't happen. Which means I have to come up with another surprise attack.

Its pointless, the only reason we attacked was because he was a threat to you...my ally.

Ok, if the war isn't on then this attack didn't happen. Which means I have to come up with another surprise attack.

((Oh..., knowing Crimmond he'll come up with something.

And I'm touched, really.)) :(

Greetings Anti-Funtism. I have come to the decision that your RPing skills need to be improved. You have based this now Ignored attack on Lunar Yard 1 on OOC and Secret IC information that you have twisted into a means for attack. Then you attempt to back out of the response to your attack by changing the Multiverse to suit your needs. This is unnacceptable.

I am sorry, but until such time as you learn to RP in a respectable manner, I will have to officially Ignore you.

Have a nice day.

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What OOC Information? you're the ally of Walten, I know this. You are also a direct threat to me if I were to get into a war with Walten. Its not bad RP'ing, its called a pre-emptive strike.

The Vascilian League isn't about taking Chances, we knew where Lunar Yard 1 was and made it into a legitimate target. But hey man...if you'll ignore me than I'll be obliged to do the same, your nation could kick mines ass in a war, you're just sore because if the war wasn't cancelled then you would have lost an assload of your ships and of course...Lunar Yard 1

so all in all...you are the bad role player. My country had plenty of reason to attack yours, this cold war you spoke of before. The general distrust between our two countries. War was inevitable we just brought it to you first.

You deployed ships in a threatening manner towards our ally, since we lack the ability to go to "The Orion Sector" or what ever the hell it was we did our best in system.

Until such time as you learn common sense and political behaviour...I will be forced to think of you as a Fething Moron, What did the Japanese do to the Americans in World War 2? the exact same thing I did to you right here....you suck...the end

The attack went extremely well, her father would be pleased. Only 1 vessel destroyed and two lightly damaged before disengagement.

Wow, and you bash Crimmond for bad roleplaying....

I didn't bash man...its called a lightning strike, they fly into the engagement area very quickly shooting everything they can. Of course they are going so fast that the only managed to get one or two shots off before being out of weapons range.

Meaning, high damage to the enemy(Theoretically) with low risk to your own forces. Of course that form of attack only works on unsuspecting enemies...Its not bad Role Play buddy its called real world knowledge, its how space combat would really be conducted. None of this Star Trek bull.

Read some books buddy ;)

No, it's called bad roleplaying. Crimmond didn't even get a chance to respond IC'ly. I'm sure he would of had forward sentries, ship patrols, or at the very least radar that would of picked up the force ahead of time. There's a reason why we never see anything like Pearl Harbor anymore, both in real life and in NS. :roll:

Bud...look, he didn't have a chance to respond I know but that because it is a viable form of attack. You understand that space combat is not the same as Naval combat...its not what you see on Star Trek. Its cold and ruthless, space battles are over in seconds and usually won by the side with the best sensors. He has the ability to post what ever losses he wanted, be it none of many, he had the choice. But it was a devastating attack.

Space is not terrestrial remember that friend...its not so kind.

But anyway...Im done talking to children.

I hate to get involved, but isn't it feasable that some defences might have existed against such a raid? after all they are goign to have just as much time to get decent solutions on your ships as you do on your targets (and while intelligence whille help things do change, a rogue battle group might be stopping by or something).

Of course while your cloaking will help, there are still issues such as the depth of defences (any defense ssytem requires that the outer rign should be constructed that a decloaking ship just inside it isn't within rnage of the primary facility).

Based on my geusses i would rate his defenses as being soemwhere from 20-40% effective compared to your attack (ie for every 100 of his ships you take he takes say 20 of yours). unless of course you are Honor Harrington and the million to 1 shot always works for you.


Just some random thoughts.

cloaking is useless in space. Basically because a cloaked ship will still give off a graviational pull that can be easily detected.

I agree...but I dont even think he had 100 ships there. The Plan was to hit the dock when it had the least amount of enemy vessels. If you take out their forward base of operations that would seriously damage their capabilities.

One ship gets completely annihilated before the rest of the fleet opened up and destroyed the defences. 320 vessels firing at well...anything are really going to feel it.

The plan was to wreck up a bunch of supplies and hoof it right out of there.

AF, I'm almost positive that I have rp'ed more space battles than you have, so don't try to explain to me anything about space rp'ing. I know how it works, and what you just performed was not only bad roleplaying, but godmodding. You assume he didn't have time to react...wrong. If not with ships, he could have with mobile turrets, EMP waves, bombs, etc. Ships cannot maintain their maximum speed and be able to hit even anywhere close to their target, either. Either they misfire, or their engines would overheat, leaving them helpless. Not to mention you're in the middle of enemy territory. 300 out of 400 of your ships would have been annihalated by a counter attack, which mean your nation would be almost completely helpless to a full counter attack and ortillery campaign.

Learn some strategy and some roleplaying skills before you try to argue with me about warfare again.

cloaking is useless in space. Basically because a cloaked ship will still give off a graviational pull that can be easily detected.

Now Belem...you seem to be an expert eh? Cloaking is a general term for ECM. Electronic Counter Measures. When terrestrial Vehicles use those what do they do? mess up sensors right? well there you go...a Star Trek cloaking device is a retarded concept, there is no need for a vessel to turn invisible in space because honestly two opposing ships in Space would never visibly see each other due to the ranges involved. Space combat is down to who can get a sensor lock first and with the extreme ECM that 320 ships can put up that would be difficult to say the least.

cloaking is generaly accepted as going invisible.

And the more ships you have bunched up close together the harder it is to conceal because there are more objects for radar or sensors to bounce off of.

While ECM is useful, that amount of output means that the target will have a huge amount of warning that soemthing is coming, ECM tends to be best used to confuse targeting and tracking systems once units are ware of each other, for a stealthy attack, going with systems powered down on a ballistic approach is the way to go.

of course this also brings into consideration passive defenses, after all a big ass titanium net across an approach vector works wonders as ships shred themselves on it using thier own velocity.

AF, I'm almost positive that I have rp'ed more space battles than you have, so don't try to explain to me anything about space rp'ing. I know how it works, and what you just performed was not only bad roleplaying, but godmodding. You assume he didn't have time to react...wrong. If not with ships, he could have with mobile turrets, EMP waves, bombs, etc. Ships cannot maintain their maximum speed and be able to hit even anywhere close to their target, either. Either they misfire, or their engines would overheat, leaving them helpless. Not to mention you're in the middle of enemy territory. 300 out of 400 of your ships would have been annihalated by a counter attack, which mean your nation would be almost completely helpless to a full counter attack and ortillery campaign.

Learn some strategy and some roleplaying skills before you try to argue with me about warfare again.

Neo-Wu: just one niggle, ships can maintain any speed (velocity) they like, it's thier acceleration that they can't keep up.


Sorry just had to point it out since we seem to be in a "real physics" mode.

Neo-Wu: just one niggle, ships can maintain any speed (velocity) they like, it's thier acceleration that they can't keep up.


Sorry just had to point it out since we seem to be in a "real physics" mode.


ACCELERATION...thanks, that's the word I was looking for.. I sat here at my keyboard trying think of the god damn word for like 5 minutes. :lol:

No problem, my appologies if it came over picky.
another term you can use is Delta V.

I'm not a physics person but i have read enough scifi to get the jist of it :)

AF, I'm almost positive that I have rp'ed more space battles than you have, so don't try to explain to me anything about space rp'ing. I know how it works, and what you just performed was not only bad roleplaying, but godmodding. You assume he didn't have time to react...wrong. If not with ships, he could have with mobile turrets, EMP waves, bombs, etc. Ships cannot maintain their maximum speed and be able to hit even anywhere close to their target, either. Either they misfire, or their engines would overheat, leaving them helpless. Not to mention you're in the middle of enemy territory. 300 out of 400 of your ships would have been annihalated by a counter attack, which mean your nation would be almost completely helpless to a full counter attack and ortillery campaign.

Learn some strategy and some roleplaying skills before you try to argue with me about warfare again.

Well look at it this way...you may have Rp'd space combat but Ive studied 'Real' space physics.

Belem...who the hell said ships have to be "bunched" together? its outer space man! outer space!

Sensors dont work the same in space man...you may detect about 100 of 300 ships because of the way they are deployed.

But anyway...I dont give a crap, because honestly this is pointless as the war has been called off.

OOC: AF - You need to step back for a minute. You are treading a dangerous line here, and you could quite easily end up ignored by many people. Not posting your preperations and giving them a chance to respond is bad RP. Assuming your equipment is better than an opponent's (especially an older opponent) is bad RP. If you want this 'cold war' idea to continue, you will take a step back, look at your own actions, and decide which road you wish to tread.

300 ships going after one target....they're gonna be a bit bunched.

And it doesn't matter if sensors work differently...1 or 100 ships detected, they still would be detected, comprimising the element of surprise for the entire fleet.

OOC: AF - You need to step back for a minute. You are treading a dangerous line here, and you could quite easily end up ignored by many people. Not posting your preperations and giving them a chance to respond is bad RP. Assuming your equipment is better than an opponent's (especially an older opponent) is bad RP. If you want this 'cold war' idea to continue, you will take a step back, look at your own actions, and decide which road you wish to tread.


Of course I wouldn't have to prepare because my Orbital stuff is at Laragrange Point 2 and some others...

oi...it doesn't matter, if he asked I would have explained it better. The point is the war didn't happen.

I dont want a cold war with anyone, but it seems like Im involved in one against MIDAS.

So really, I couldn't give a crap about Crimmond or the Earths moon. Cause my plate is full on Mars.

also about "Bunching" 320 ships deployed to a single theatre, thats an area roughly 5,000,000 km around, Not every single ship would be deployed to the one target...that would be moronic.

But for future referance I will post more information.

OOC: ADK - Yes, you would. That's even worse, as it's right next door in space terms. Plenty of electronic intelligence to suggest a buildup, etc. As a general rule, baring quite specific circumstances, you should always post that.

300 ships going after one target....they're gonna be a bit bunched.

And it doesn't matter if sensors work differently...1 or 100 ships detected, they still would be detected, comprimising the element of surprise for the entire fleet.

The Element of surprise would have full effect, because they still wouldn't know exactly how many ships are present. Either the commanders would be over confident and think that there are only 100 ships out there or they would lack that same confidence and think that there are 1000.

Or possibly just be cautious.

Post is over now...war didn't happen. The End.

OOC: Good. I will note - MIDAS would not have to contemplate war except your own actions make it nessecary.