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We are seeking licensing and production rights to a 125mm or 130mm high velocity cannon to mount on our planned next generation tank. We would like something already proven and mounted on an existing NS tank.

Dai Fae, VP for procurement, Daistallian Military Industries

What about just using a 120, 135, or 140mm electro-thermal cannon?

ETC would be a bit ahead of our prefered tech level (mod 2003).

They're modern tech if you make your tank expensive.

They're modern tech if you make your tank expensive.

OOC: Point me to a RL modern tank mounting ETC and we will believe it.

Why does a ETC have to be mounted on a tank for it to be modern tech. ETC cannons are possible today and were considered as the main gun for he M1A2 Abrams in the 80s. The problem is they require a large electric power source, and are a bit big. I've just made several break throughs in this field which makes it possible to mount on tanks.

I've just made several break throughs in this field which makes it possible to mount on tanks.

Exactly why I do not consider it believeable RL modern tech. If you have to make several break throughs, it is future.

Daistallia-they have ETC tech demonstrators.They just neve rmounte don a tank-well, that's because of the need for an electricity source partly, and partly lazyness/not wanting to spend money on revamping logistics.

OOC: If either of you would point out where (ie post a link), we will consider it.

Center for Defence Information:
http://www.cdi.org/mrp/armytransform.cfm

Without a clear picture of the current status of ETC technology, it is
impossible to say whether it will be ready for the FCS’s 2008 fielding date.

Does not seem to be ready for deployment.

bump

While not currently mounted on any serving tank, one of the weapons that competed for the main gun on the Dominion of Kotterdam Army's MBT-3A1 is a smoothbore 130mm cannon produced by Kinnesy Heavy Industries. Even though the DKA decided to go with the ETC weapon produced by Viking Military Technologies, the Kinnesy weapon is still a viable, capable weapon system.

Advanced Solid Propellent Weapon System
(ASP-WS)

Specifications
Primary Function Anti-Tank
Contractor Viking Military Technologies
Calibre 130mm
Calibre Length L55
Rifling N/A (Smoothbore)
Kill Range 4 km
Accurate Range 6 km
Penetration Capabilities at Kill Range 910mm (HEAT round versus Rolled Homogenized Armour)
Production Rights $66.4 Million

Notes
The Advanced Solid Propellent Weapon System, or ASP Gun was developed as an alternative for the ETC cannon currently used in Kotterite tanks. Although quite a great deal cheaper than the currently employed weapon system, it did not have quite the same pentration capability as the new ETC weapons. It involves a new 55-calibre length barrel, granting some improvement in muzzle velocity, and a chamber built from the same high-grade steel as the gun barrel to improve its pressure tolerances.

The ASP gun's effectiveness stems not from the gun alone, although that is a factor. Rather, most of the increased power of the weapon stems from the rounds fired. The propellent, to begin with, is designed to have a greater rate of surface burning progression, allowing for higher pressure gradients with which to propel the projectile. This translates into greater muzzle velocity and superior striking power.

As well, there is a new penetrator round included in the production rights. The Rocket-Assisted Kinetic Energy Anti-Tank round, or RAKE-AT involves a standard armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS) round into which a small solid-fuel rocket engine has been built. This engine is fused to fire on impact to drive the penetrator up to even higher speeds for greater armour penetration. Tests with this new type of amunition showed that it exhibited impressive capabilities even against tanks with Explosive Reactive Armour.

The ASP Weapon System is capable of firing HEAT, APFSDS-T, Canister, HE-FRAG, and RAKE-AT rounds without difficulty. It can even fire the new ATG-1 Mjolnir Anti-Tank Guided Missile from its barrel, just like the ETC weapon currently mounted on the MBT-3A1.

Hmm, under consideration. We may consider the ETCs as well.

Anyone else?

Would you be interested in an Mo-13 artillery cannon barrel? Can be fitted to tanks as a 120mm Huguenot cannon, no worse then any other tank barrel. We dont use it on our tanks, as we dont prefer it how it is(We prefer high velocity 30mm's or so, medium velocity multiple 30mm's or so, dual "middlemen" as in 88mm or 120, and 200mm recoil-less artillery cannons.). Or if you need an anti-tank weapon, just buy some of our Ga-1 anti-tank rockets :P

excuse, i have been unable to track down ETC tests...i might have been worng there...use RILP instead then :P however, you're not ideologically acceptable and with the current mood in my country, i just couldn't get away with selling guns to capitalists, so you'll need another source for RILP.

I would honestly be interested if you could track down something. Even if I don*t use it, I*d love to see it. Thank you.

For RILP? there's this (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/5fcs97.pdf) i keep a link to, and i'm sure you can find more. It also talks about ETC but dosn't mention any current rials, but then, it's also a few years old.

:( Sorry can't read PDFs.

:( Sorry can't read PDFs.

well, it defeats my attempts to simply extract and paste the text....i'm afraid you'l have to ask somebody who can host it in HTML for you or whatever.Sorry :(

We can give you liscenses on either a 125 or 135mm smoothbore.

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The Commonwealth armed forces use a 155mm High velocity cannon in our MBTs. Would this work?

155mm=toobigfortanks

155mm=toobigfortanks
Not really. Its not a howitzer.

155mm=toobigfortanks
Not really. Its not a howitzer.just bloody expensive, makes the tank bigger and ammo a pain....

Be quiet, I like my little tank armed with 2 152mm ETC cannons
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Ahh screw protocol, how much are those tanks?

OOC:
*drool*

$12.5 mil each.

They also have 12 ATGM's, of Khrizantema.

500, $6,250,000,000 wired.

OOC:
What's it's name?

Population: 40,000,000
Civil Rights: Outlawed
Economy: Very Strong
GDP per Capita: $15,000
GDP: $600,000,000,000
National Budget: $76,080,000,000
Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 2.54%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 20%
Military Budget: $15,216,000,000

Confirmed.
PS:
They also have 2 40mm autocannons for blowing APC's apart.

OOC:
What's it's name? Sorry if I repeated, I think your post went ahead of my edit.

KV-152.

No, nothing to do with the KV's of WW2, just the name.

I hate to be rude, but please take your sale else where.

K, if interested, tgram me.


On topic- we have 125, 135, and 140mm guns we can give you liscenses to.

I do have to say I am waiting for one or two other possible preferred nations, who have yet to post. How much for rights DT?

Oh... $15 mil?

Oh... $15 mil?
:?:

OOC:
Seems awfully cheap for production rights?

Not really.

Everyone has the rights to own them, since they exist RL.

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OOC:
Seems awfully cheap for production rights?
Theyre obsolete with me using ETC 135mm guns, so why not?

OOC:
Oh, I thought you meant they were ETC.

FC, you are one of the people I have been waiting for. Any guns for sale?

Guns?

FC-57? (Everyone knows it :wink: )
FC-21? (Compact LMG))
FC-5? (Mix of MP-5 and AK-74)
FC-1? (Similar to M1 Shotgun/Sometimes mounted under FC-75)
FC-82? (Similar to Barreta M82)
FC-80? (Similar to PSG-1)

Which ones?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/FC.JPG

tank guns.

Harruimph! Well looks like I'll just have to develop them myself...

hmmm, could we offer some help here? we can offer a 127mm tank gun, smoothbore or rifle. Or develop something for you; it' s not as if we, as a corporation, have anything else to do ;)
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Selana Ithiliën, Esteemed CEO of the Honourable Company of Falas, Falas& Lindon.

We can offer you the plans to the

RelicArms TC50 Gun, Speedloader, and Cooling system.

It is designed to give a tank a great amount of firepower, using conventional technology.

The model we use is based off a conventional 120mm gun(but the nature of the system allows for different calibers); an ammo bin with downward sloping sides is filled with shells facing forwards. (At the moment, we have no way of selecting different kinds of ammo). A hydraulic ram pushes them into a revolver style speedloader, and the gun fires from there as normal, unless you engage the system's special features. A forced water cooling jacket surrounds the gun and leads to a radiator, when switched on the cooling action of the radiator prevents the gun from overheating, allowing it to be fired as fast as the speedloader can operate. The cooling system can only be activated for so long before it needs to recharge itself(which takes around 8 minutes), but the gun can fire normally without it.

To date we have pushed the system to fire 2 shots per second for 10 seconds. Thats 20 tank shells in 10 seconds from 1 tank....

Price is $1 billion

This is a more refined and more specialized version of the coolant system for the crusader artillery project, currently being planned by the US army:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/crusader/