CSJMI R&D: New Systems on the Horizon
Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-10-2003, 10:03
This is where we will announce current and upcoming projects, as well as general specs/requirments for said systems. We will gladly accept donations and assistance with some projects in exchange for discounts and possibly manufacturing rights on final products, though in many cases we will limit such coordination to NGS and MFN nations. Most of the systems listed here will find their way into the storefronts, but some may not. Also, be warned that not all projects will be completed. On occasion, they will be cancelled for financial reasons or technical difficulties, though this will be less common than in more democratic countries, where foolishly shifting public opinion often kills projects that should have been seen through. This will also not represent a complete list of everything being worked on. Like anyone else, Clan Smoke Jaguar has some systems that are developed in secret.
This is also where we will hear requests for joint projects and new systems, so if you'd like our assistance in designing a new system, or if there's something you need that you'd like us to work on, feel free to ask. Depending on the market for such systems and the costs involved in development, however, we may or may not accept such requests.
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Clan Smoke Jaguar
09-10-2003, 10:04
These represent most of the current systems under development:
Nova Cat Urban IFV
Project Goal: to create an effective urban combat vehicle with adequate armor, significant firepower, and infantry transport capabilities.
Requirements:
1) Armor protection against most infantry weapons, including heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, and preferably RPGs and LAAWs as well.
2) A turreted gun of 100mm caliber or more to provide heavy short range firepower. The weapon will be for demolition and fire support, so anti-tank capability is unnecessary.
3) Additional armament including a light cannon for use against vehicles and infantry, and ATGMs for defense against heavy armor.
4) Minimum speed of 55 km/h. Higher speed is preferable, but urban combat does not require it.
5) Unit must be fully amphibious, with a maximum water speed of no less than 6 km/h.
6) Infantry compartment for no less than 7 fully equipped troops.
7) Per unit cost of no more than $4 million
Project Status: Prototype vehicle, the XM15, has been completed and is being evaluated. Evaluation is almost complete, and production will likely commence soon.
Unit Stats: Unavailable at present time.
Estimated Time to Completion: 6-8 months.
Stymphalian SSGN
Project Goal: To create a nuclear powered submarine platform for the Firebolt and Thunderbolt antishipping missiles.
Requirements:
1) Maximum submerged speed of at least 35 knots
2) Double hull
3) Load of at least 24 Firebolts or 40 thunderbolts, plus 21” torpedoes
4) Sonar signature no greater than Ohio class SSBN/SSGN. Preferably quieter.
5) Submerged displacement no greater than 12,000 tons
6) Crew requirement no greater than 120
Project Status: Prototype is complete, but a number of flaws and omissions have been noted and must be corrected, dropping project behind schedule.
Unit Stats: Unknown, as several key systems must be redesigned, added, or removed.
Estimated Time to Completion: 12-14 months
UAJ (YCQM-217) Project
Project Goal: To create a UAV with airborne standoff jamming capabilities
Requirments:
1) Maximum speed of no less than 162 knots (300 km/h)
2) Endurance of at least 8 hours
3) Maximum range of at least 750 km
4) Multispectrum jamming and possibly provisions for direct engagement and ELINT capabilities
5) Small size (less than 4m length and wingspan, less than 250 kg weight)
Project Status: Prototype complete and near end of test cycle. Very promising. Production to commence very soon.
Unit Stats:
-Weight: 160 kg w/o booster
-Maximum Speed: 189 knots (350 km/h)
-Cruising Speed: 86.5 knots (160 km/h)
-Range: 1000 km
-Endurance: 10 hours
-Ceiling: 3500m
-Length: 2.5 m
-Wingspan: 3 m
-Likely deployments: Artillery forces (to counter firefinding/counterbattery radars), large landing ships (to provide cover for helicopter assaults), warships (to provide cover for helicopters and some missile strikes).
Estimated Time to Completion: Done
ECMCM (Electronic Countermeasure Cruise Missile) Project
Project Goal: To provide a standoff jamming system with sufficient range and speed to accompany antishipping and cruise missiles, providing cover for strikes on high profile targets.
Requirements:
1) regular cruise missile airframe with standoff jamming package, preferably same as UAJ
2) 2-way data link for control purposes
Project Status: Prototypes based on BGM-210 Naginata are complete and in testing. Current goal is to provide a possible means to recover a missile after use.
Unit Stats: Same stats as BGM and AGM-210 Naginata
Estimated Time to Completion: 5 months
UFH 155 (Ultralightweight Field Howitzer) Program
Project Goal: Cooperative development to provide an extremely lightweight, yet capable field howitzer, and an extremely light self-propelled unit.
Requirements:
1) Towed weapon must be under 4000 kg to be carried by UH-60 helicopters
2) Self-propelled weapon must be under 12,500 kg to be carried by CH-47 helicopters
3) Towed unit should have Auxiliary Power Unit for mobility and Assisted Loading Device for firepower.
Project Status: Conceptual. Currently design work only.
Unit Stats: Undecided
Estimated Time to Completion: Unknown
FOTA (Follow-On To AMRAAM) Project
Project Goal: To provide a new medium range missile to replace the AIM-120B/C AMRAAM
Project Requirements:
1) Speed of at least Mach 4.
2) Range of at least 70 km at altitude.
3) Advanced active radar seeker with resistance to countermeasures, as well as inertial guidance and data link. Backup IR seeker is also desired, but not required.
4) Diameter of no more than 24 cm, wingspan of no more than 58 cm, length of no more than 380 cm, and weight of no more than 175 kg
5) Per unit cost of no more than $550,000
Project Status: Currently only conceptual. Some design work has been done, but no prototypes as of yet.
Unit Stats: Nothing but base requirements.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2-3 years
SSCN Project
Project Goal: To produce a modified Ohio class SSBN capable of launching, recovering, and supporting VTOL aircraft.
Project Status: Conceptual. Design work is just beginning.
Unit Stats: Basic performance and dimensions similar to standard Ohio. Aircraft and weapons load TBD.
Estimated Time to Completion: 1-2 years
EF-35A Project
Project Goal: To provide a modern two-seat jamming aircraft based on the F-35A JSF.
Project Status: Conceptual. Design work is underway
Unit Stats: Same as F-35A except for payload (ARMs and SRAAMs only)
Estimated Time to Completion 8 months
AMRBM Project
Project Goal: To develop a new MIRVed MRBM for strategic engagements.
Requirements:
1) Must be road mobile
2) Range of at least 3000 km
3) Weight of no more than 50,000 kg
4) Payload of at least 3 MIRVed warheads (at least 150 kilotons each)
Project Status: Conceptual. Design work underway
Unit Stats: Not finalized
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years
GLCM Project
Project Goal: To develop a ground-based system for launching BGM-210 Naginata cruise missiles.
Requrements:
1) Maximum road speed of 50 km/h or greater
2) Load of at least 2 missiles per TEL
3) Reload time of no more than 18 minutes
Project Status: Conceptual. Prototype to be built shortly
Unit Stats: Unavailable
Estimated Time to Completion: 8 months
FOTS (Follow-On To Stinger)
Project Goal: To develop a new manportable SAM to replace the aging FIM-92 Stinger
Requirements:
1) Total system weight of no more than 18 kg
2) Missile weight of no more than 12 kg
3) Missile speed of at least Mach 2.5 (2660 km/h)
4) Missile range of at least 8 km
5) Cieling of at least 4000 m
6) Dimensions close to those of stinger to allow easier integration to vehicles that utilize FIM-92
Project Status: Conceptual. Design work underway
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years
AAMM (advanced anti-missile missile) Project
Project Goal: To develop a new, low-cost, point defense missile to replace the aging RIM-116 RAM
Requirements:
1) IR seeker with backup/alternate Passive Radar seeker
2) Range of at least 12 km
3) Speed of Mach 2+ (2130+ km/h)
4) Cost of no more than $150,000 per missile
Project Status: Conceptual. Design work underway
Estimated Time to Completion: 1.5-2 years
ARUAV Project
Project Goal: To develop a new medium-endurance UAV for use by warships.
Requirements:
1) Endurance of at least 6 hours on station at a 500 km operating radius
2) Provisions for IIR, EO, and passive radar sensors
3) Must be stealthy and survivable for use in high-risk environments.
4) Must be deployable and recoverable from ships as small as large frigates (4000 tons).
Project Status: Conceptual. Design work underway
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years
OOC: Hmm, how long is a NS month in your standards? :P
Clan Smoke Jaguar
10-10-2003, 01:03
OOC: Hmm, how long is a NS month in your standards? :P
OOC: It varies depending on how I feel it should be. Most of these will be available within 2 RL weeks though.
We are highly interested in the GLCM Project, as we have a huge demand for Army Ground-launched Cruise Missiles to replace the aging BGM-109Gs.
TO assist this project, we will donate $80 million dollars to this project, along with some engineers and experts at our military if needed. We are also working on an improved ground launcher of the BGM-109, along with a new replacement for the Stinger, if interested.
We are highly interested in the GLCM Project, as we have a huge demand for Army Ground-launched Cruise Missiles to replace the aging BGM-109Gs.
TO assist this project, we will donate $80 million dollars to this project, along with some engineers and experts at our military if needed. We are also working on an improved ground launcher of the BGM-109, along with a new replacement for the Stinger, if interested.
ground launched cruise missiles? we can make you some in 30 mins :mrgreen:
We are highly interested in the GLCM Project, as we have a huge demand for Army Ground-launched Cruise Missiles to replace the aging BGM-109Gs.
TO assist this project, we will donate $80 million dollars to this project, along with some engineers and experts at our military if needed. We are also working on an improved ground launcher of the BGM-109, along with a new replacement for the Stinger, if interested.
ground launched cruise missiles? we can make you some in 30 mins :mrgreen:
No thank you, we will be more interested in this particular version we've mentioned.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
11-10-2003, 12:35
We are highly interested in the GLCM Project, as we have a huge demand for Army Ground-launched Cruise Missiles to replace the aging BGM-109Gs.
TO assist this project, we will donate $80 million dollars to this project, along with some engineers and experts at our military if needed. We are also working on an improved ground launcher of the BGM-109, along with a new replacement for the Stinger, if interested.
Any assistance you wish to provide for the project is greatly appreciated, and we are glad to know that there is already a demand for the system.
For the Stinger replacement, we will be interested in comparing your product with the one we're working on, and look forward to seeing the results of both programs.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
11-10-2003, 13:09
UPDATE
The CQM-217 has completed testing and production has commenced. First production units are expected shortly, and the system should be available for sale within a few months.
Testing of the prototype ECMCM, now dubbed YCEM-210, is going smoothely. A method of recovering the unit after use has been successfully tested and implemented, and production is expected to commence within a few months.
First prototypes of the new Naginata GLCM TEL have been completed, and testing is expected to begin within a week.
An EF-35 technology demonstrator has been completed, and is being tested with an ALQ-99 jamming pod. Production version will utilize a different system, but this could provide an interim/downgraded version in the meantime.
Stats for the Nova Cat IFV have been released, and are as follows:
Crew: 3 + 7
Combat Weight: 22 tons
Speed: 72 km/h (road), 47 km/h (off-road), 39 km/h (average cross-country), 10 km/h (water)
Range: 500 km
Armament: 1x105mm rifled gun, 1x30mm Bushmaster II, 1x7.62mm CMG, 1x7.62mm AAMG, 1xTwin TOW launcher
Ammunition: 45x105mm, 500x30mm, 3150x7.62mm, 8xTOW
Armor: Max 45mm, w/ provisions for ERA or Applique Armor
Cost: $3.7 million
Note: the 105mm gun is a low-velocity weapon, which currently only fires HE-Frag rounds. Though it can be used against vehicles, armor penetration is only 30mm. Max aimed range is 6 km. Effective is 2.5 km.
Finally, a new system is entering development. This will be a medium endurance UAV for use as a recon and spotter unit for naval vessels.
Any assistance you wish to provide for the project is greatly appreciated, and we are glad to know that there is already a demand for the system.
For the Stinger replacement, we will be interested in comparing your product with the one we're working on, and look forward to seeing the results of both programs.
Very good, the engineers will be at your place shortly.
As for the Stinger replacement, ours is still a concept. Our goal for it is lightweight, effective for short-range air defence, effective against most aircraft, and a high hit rate.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
17-10-2003, 15:36
UPDATES
The AAMM project has been completed. However, it was deemed that the price requirement could not be met without dropping performance below satisfactory levels, and thus the production unit costs twice as much as was originally envisioned.
The Kodachi SSM, which had secretly been in development for some 4 years, has been unveiled. This medium-range missile is regarded as highly capable and extremely lethal. Both ground and submarine launch platforms are already avaialbe.
The Stymphalian SSGN, after a long and costly development, is finally in production. Due to difficulties, the unit's speed has been topped at 32 knots. However, it carries 50% more missiles than were originally intended.
EF-35 variants are now in production and available.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
21-10-2003, 11:10
UPDATES
AMRBM project has been completed. Stats still haven't been released, but will likely be provided after the first production run is complete. This system will not be for sale.
FOTS Project is progressing well. Several successful test firings have prompted preproduction systems to be sent to various units for field testing. The system is now designated YFIM-256 Black Fly.
ARUAV Project has hit some complications with launching and recovering of the unit, and it is expected that an additional 6 months will be needed to iron out the problems.
New Projects:
LPAG (Liquid Propellant Artillery Gun) Project
Project Goal: To provide an artillery platform utilizing new liquid propellant technology.
Statement: With advances in liquid propellant technology, is has been decided to develop a self-propelled artillery system based on the M2001A1 Crusader to utilize the technology.
Expected benefits include: Increased weapon range due to greater propellant efficiency; Greater versatility, as liquid propellant can be interjected in measured amounts rather than prepackaged bags, reducing the need for changes in barrel elevation; greater MRSIT capability; faster reloading; and greater propellant storage capacity.
The primary obstacles are the loading and ammunition transfer systems, which will have to be redesigned and incorporate new software.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years.
LPH (Landing Platform Helicopter) Project
Project Goal: To provide naval landing forces with a light helicopter platform similar to the retired LPH-2 Iwo Jima Class
Requirements:
1) Displacement of no more than 25,000 tons
2) Speed of no less than 30 knots
3) Crew requirement of no more than 600
4) Passenger capacity of at least 2000 combat troops
5) Capacity of at least 22 CH-46 Sea Knight sized helicopters & 8 AH-1 Cobra sized attack helicopters
Official statement: These are to be smaller, cheaper helicopter carriers for supporting amphibious operations. They will be only half the size of current LHDs and LHAs, and able to operate in restricted areas where those ships cannot, yet will carry a similar troop load. However, they will be unable to support heavy forces as there will be no well deck to accommodate landing craft.
Estimated Time to Completion: 3 years
LST (Landing Ship Tank) Project
Project Goal: To provide a new vessel capable of rapidly unloading a full armored battalion on a hostile shore.
Requirements:
1) Capacity of at least 42 main battle tanks
2) Speed of no less than 20 knots
3) Maximum displacement of no more than 12,000 tons
Official Statement: One major problem with current landing forces is that even a large amphibious group can only deploy a relatively small number of heavy vehicles to due the limited vehicle space and landing craft capacity. These ships will be designed to rapidly deploy battalion-sized units onto hostile shores, allowing for a greater portion of heavy armored forces to be landed early on, rather than waiting for a port to be captured before significant numbers of tanks can be delivered.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years
Clan Smoke Jaguar
24-10-2003, 13:55
UPDATE
Secret projects:
SAARM Project (Surface-to-Air Anti-Radiation Missile)
Project Goal: To create a long range, ground launched missile with passive radar homing, to engage AEW, JSTARS, and jamming aircraft.
Specifications:
Designation: MIM-276 SAARM
Launch Weight: 2100 kg
Length: 7.5m
Diameter: 0.5m
Speed: Mach 3.5 (4290 km/h)
Range: 20-240 km, 2-38 km altitude
Maneuverability: 15g
Guidance: Passive radar or "home-on-jam"
Warhead: blast fragmentation w/ proximity fuze. Lethal burst radius - 35m
Hit probability: 95% with two missiles
Notes: This is designed to be a powerful supplement to normal air defense systems that provides a means of eliminating airborne jammers, thus allowing SAMs to engage enemy systems with no problem. Midway through development, the task was expanded to provide a ground-based system that can also threaten enemy airborne radar platforms, such as AWACS, AEW, and JSTARS aircraft, which accounts for the long range of the missile. A typical battery, once the system is deployed, will consist of 4 ESM (Electronics Support Measures) sensor posts, which will provide passive radar detection; 3 TELs with 4 missiles each; and 3 missile transloaders.
Project Status: 3 Prototype and preproduction batteries have been produced and are in testing. Production is expected to commence within 3 months. A modified NADSAM variant using similar technology is also under development, but is not expected to enter production for 6 months.
High-Speed submarine project.
Project goal: To provide a nuclear powered submarine capable of speeds in excess of 45 knots.
Requirements:
1) Speed of over 45 knots
2) Similar noise levels to at least Los Angelas boats at normal speeds
3) Advanced sonar and protection systems
Statement: Though the Alfa class attack submarine was not very succesful due to poor sonar and an unreliable power plant, the concept of a fast nuclear attack sub remains sound. To that end, Clan Smoke Jaguar is designing a submarine that would be a far more effective counterpart to the Alfa, which is advanced, relatively quiet, and capable of making high-speed dashes either for maneuvering around enemy fleets, making quick strikes into them, or fleeing after an attack.
Estimated Time to Completion: 1 year
We are very interested in the YA-114 project, since we are in dire need to replace our older A-10 and A-14s. Because this looks much more promising, we will donate $100 million dollars to this project, as well as some optional techinal assistance, if needed.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
25-10-2003, 19:45
We are very interested in the YA-114 project, since we are in dire need to replace our older A-10 and A-14s. Because this looks much more promising, we will donate $100 million dollars to this project, as well as some optional techinal assistance, if needed.
We are grateful for the assistance in our project and will gladly accept any technical assistance that could be provided.
UPDATES
The ARUAV project has finally reached completion, and production has started. The unit is expected to be available for export within a few months. The unit has been designated RQ-28 Terrier
YFIM-256 Black Fly has entered limited production, with full-scale production and exports expected to be available within a few months.
Specifications are as follows:
System Weight: 17.8 kg (missile and launcher)
Missile: 12 kg
Speed: Mach 2.4 (2553 km/h)
Range: 9.2 km
Cieling: 4200m
Warhead: 3.6 kg blast fragmentation
Guidance: IR
Vehicle-mounted stinger launchers can be modified to fire the missile, allowing it to be easily integrated into existing arsenals.
NEW PROJECTS:
CSA (Carrier Support Aircraft) Project
Project Goal: To provide a next-generation common airframe for carrier support aircraft to replace the C-2A Greyhound cargo aircraft, S-3B Viking ASW/Patrol aircraft, ES-3A Shadow SIGINT aircraft, and E-2C Hawkeye AWACS aircraft, as well as possibly provide for other systems as well.
Requirements:
1) Maximum Weight of no more than 30,000 kg
2) Payload capacity of at least 5000 kg normal, and at least 4000 kg for carrier landing
3) Range in excess of 4000 km
4) Maximum speed of at least Mach .8 (851 km/h)
5) Must be capable of operating from fleet carriers.
Official Statement: The CSA will provide a standard airframe for all large carrier support aircraft, including ASW/Patrol, AWACS, recon, and cargo versions, with provisions for other systems being integrated or added to one of the 4 primary variants, including aerial refueling modules. The unit will provide a low-cost replacement for the aging line of fleet support aircraft, who'se basic airframe is decades old.
Estimated Time to Completion: 3 years
ULH (Ultralight Howitzer) Project
Project Goal: To provide a light, airmobile howitzer of 105mm caliber to complement the 155mm unit currently in joint development.
Requirements:
1) Weight of no more than 4000 kg
2) Range of at least 24,000m with ER munitions
3) Rate of fire of at least 8 rpm burst, and 3 rpm sustained
4) Optimum crew of no more than 8 personnel
Official Statement: The Ultralight Howitzer project will provide a light, 105mm towed gun that, through innovative new technologies, will be able to equal or exceed current 155mm light guns in virtually every category. The unit will provide a highly mobile, extremely lethal fire platform for light forces.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2.5 years
Heavy Lift Helicopter Project
Project Goal: To provide a large helicopter for rapid transport of large loads that current helicopters cannot accommodate.
Requirements:
1) Payload capacity of at least 18,000 kg
2) Speed of at least 250 km/h
3) Maximum range of at least 1000 km
Official Statement: This is intended to be a large helicopter to counter the Mil Mi-26 Halo Aircraft. It will be capable of lifting loads at least 1.5 times as heavy as those carried by any helicopter currently in CSJ service, and will provide greater tactical mobility, as well as a platform for heavy civilian work.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years
Understood.
We also wonder if the FIM-256 can be launched from various attack helicopters that can launch the ATAS, such as the AH-64D.
Aside from that, we would appreciate it if there's any new news about the developments of the SSCN and the FOTA projects, as we are very looking forward to the FOTA.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
25-10-2003, 20:48
Yes, the Black Fly can be fired from all helicopters that can fire the ATAS.
OOC: Well, I knew I was forgetting something. I can possibly have those up later today, tomorrow at the latest. Right now, I have more important things (*GASP* :shock: ) to do.
Yes, the Black Fly can be fired from all helicopters that can fire the ATAS.
OOC: Well, I knew I was forgetting something. I can possibly have those up later today, tomorrow at the latest. Right now, I have more important things (*GASP* :shock: ) to do.
OOC: We all forget things when we juggle other things between our hands :P . Anwyays, understood.
we would like to contribute 500,000 millin dollars, engineers, techinitions and other military experts from Ziphen Inc. to the CSA,ULH, and LST projects.We are in dire need of a light artillery weapons, for we have none to support our paratroopers or light infantry. We also need some new aircraft capable fighters too. We have been debating to build something like this for a long time, but since you have come up with something like it we will contribute to it in hopes of getting the rights to it and the others.
Western Asia
25-10-2003, 21:07
FOTH (Follow-On To Harpoon) Project
Project Goal: To create a new light, long-range antishipping missile to replace the Harpoon.
Requirements:
1) Range of at least 200 km
2) Maximum speed of no less than Mach .8 at sea level
3) Smart active radar seeker with resistance to decoys and ECM and possibly IR or EO backup.
4) Provisions for initiating evasive maneuvers.
5) Weight of no more than 575 kg for air launched version
Official Statement: This will be a longer-ranged, more versatile replacement for the Harpoon, and will be more difficult to counter, as well as more powerful, but without a significant increase in either size or weight. It will also be capable of being fired from most Harpoon-capable platforms with little modification to allow for easy transition.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
GIAI and RAFAEL, Inc. of WA have expressed interest in this project, as have several WA military officials.
OOC: It is similar to a current WA project. I'll TM you about it soon.
LPAG (Liquid Propellant Artillery Gun) Project
Project Goal: To provide an artillery platform utilizing new liquid propellant technology.
Statement: With advances in liquid propellant technology, is has been decided to develop a self-propelled artillery system based on the M2001A1 Crusader to utilize the technology.
Expected benefits include: Increased weapon range due to greater propellant efficiency; Greater versatility, as liquid propellant can be interjected in measured amounts rather than prepackaged bags, reducing the need for changes in barrel elevation; greater MRSIT capability; faster reloading; and greater propellant storage capacity.
The primary obstacles are the loading and ammunition transfer systems, which will have to be redesigned and incorporate new software.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years.
ULH (Ultralight Howitzer) Project
Project Goal: To provide a light, airmobile howitzer of 105mm caliber to complement the 155mm unit currently in joint development.
Requirements:
1) Weight of no more than 4000 kg
2) Range of at least 24,000m with ER munitions
3) Rate of fire of at least 8 rpm burst, and 3 rpm sustained
4) Optimum crew of no more than 8 personnel
Official Statement: The Ultralight Howitzer project will provide a light, 105mm towed gun that, through innovative new technologies, will be able to equal or exceed current 155mm light guns in virtually every category. The unit will provide a highly mobile, extremely lethal fire platform for light forces.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2.5 years
Western Asia's GIMI is interested in these projects, at very least the researching portions of your project.
OOC: Also interested in the 155mm version.
LST (Landing Ship Tank) Project
Project Goal: To provide a new vessel capable of rapidly unloading a full armored battalion on a hostile shore.
Requirements:
1) Capacity of at least 42 main battle tanks
2) Speed of no less than 20 knots
3) Maximum displacement of no more than 12,000 tons
Official Statement: One major problem with current landing forces is that even a large amphibious group can only deploy a relatively small number of heavy vehicles to due the limited vehicle space and landing craft capacity. These ships will be designed to rapidly deploy battalion-sized units onto hostile shores, allowing for a greater portion of heavy armored forces to be landed early on, rather than waiting for a port to be captured before significant numbers of tanks can be delivered.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years
Western Asia's GINY is interested in this project.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
26-10-2003, 11:27
we would like to contribute 500,000 millin dollars, engineers, techinitions and other military experts from Ziphen Inc. to the CSA,ULH, and LST projects.We are in dire need of a light artillery weapons, for we have none to support our paratroopers or light infantry. We also need some new aircraft capable fighters too. We have been debating to build something like this for a long time, but since you have come up with something like it we will contribute to it in hopes of getting the rights to it and the others.
We thank you for your support, and are always glad to have other nations assist in our research.
OOC: Is that supposed to be $500 million or $500 billion? The latter would be overdoing it by a significant margin.
FOTH (Follow-On To Harpoon) Project
Project Goal: To create a new light, long-range antishipping missile to replace the Harpoon.
Requirements:
1) Range of at least 200 km
2) Maximum speed of no less than Mach .8 at sea level
3) Smart active radar seeker with resistance to decoys and ECM and possibly IR or EO backup.
4) Provisions for initiating evasive maneuvers.
5) Weight of no more than 575 kg for air launched version
Official Statement: This will be a longer-ranged, more versatile replacement for the Harpoon, and will be more difficult to counter, as well as more powerful, but without a significant increase in either size or weight. It will also be capable of being fired from most Harpoon-capable platforms with little modification to allow for easy transition.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
GIAI and RAFAEL, Inc. of WA have expressed interest in this project, as have several WA military officials.
OOC: It is similar to a current WA project. I'll TM you about it soon.
LPAG (Liquid Propellant Artillery Gun) Project
Project Goal: To provide an artillery platform utilizing new liquid propellant technology.
Statement: With advances in liquid propellant technology, is has been decided to develop a self-propelled artillery system based on the M2001A1 Crusader to utilize the technology.
Expected benefits include: Increased weapon range due to greater propellant efficiency; Greater versatility, as liquid propellant can be interjected in measured amounts rather than prepackaged bags, reducing the need for changes in barrel elevation; greater MRSIT capability; faster reloading; and greater propellant storage capacity.
The primary obstacles are the loading and ammunition transfer systems, which will have to be redesigned and incorporate new software.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years.
ULH (Ultralight Howitzer) Project
Project Goal: To provide a light, airmobile howitzer of 105mm caliber to complement the 155mm unit currently in joint development.
Requirements:
1) Weight of no more than 4000 kg
2) Range of at least 24,000m with ER munitions
3) Rate of fire of at least 8 rpm burst, and 3 rpm sustained
4) Optimum crew of no more than 8 personnel
Official Statement: The Ultralight Howitzer project will provide a light, 105mm towed gun that, through innovative new technologies, will be able to equal or exceed current 155mm light guns in virtually every category. The unit will provide a highly mobile, extremely lethal fire platform for light forces.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2.5 years
Western Asia's GIMI is interested in these projects, at very least the researching portions of your project.
OOC: Also interested in the 155mm version.
LST (Landing Ship Tank) Project
Project Goal: To provide a new vessel capable of rapidly unloading a full armored battalion on a hostile shore.
Requirements:
1) Capacity of at least 42 main battle tanks
2) Speed of no less than 20 knots
3) Maximum displacement of no more than 12,000 tons
Official Statement: One major problem with current landing forces is that even a large amphibious group can only deploy a relatively small number of heavy vehicles to due the limited vehicle space and landing craft capacity. These ships will be designed to rapidly deploy battalion-sized units onto hostile shores, allowing for a greater portion of heavy armored forces to be landed early on, rather than waiting for a port to be captured before significant numbers of tanks can be delivered.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years
Western Asia's GINY is interested in this project.
We are truly honored to have sparked the intrest of such notable manufacturers. If there is something you desire from us, feel free to ask, and we'd be happy to work something out.
UPDATES
The SSCN project has been completed, and has been designated the "Stalker" The unit is expected to be available for export within a few weeks. Stats are as follows:
Length: 216m
Beam: 16m
Displacement: 25,000 tons submerged
Speed: 20 knots submerged
Operating depth: 200m
Armament: 4x21" TT w/ 12 torpedo
Aircraft: 2 hangar decks w/ 3 aircraft and 1 elevator each, for a total of 6 aircraft and 2 elevators.
Crew: 163
Cost: $2.8 billion
The FOTA Project has been completed, with the production unit being designated AIM-238 Cockatrice. Stats are as follows:
Weight: 185 kg
Speed: Mach 4.42 (4700 km/h)
Range: 40 km at low altitude, 93 km at high altitude
Guidance: Inertial w/ command, and active radar or IR terminal
Warhead: 30 kg blast fragmentation
Cost: $700,000
FOTH (Follow-On To Harpoon) Project
Project Goal: To create a new light, long-range antishipping missile to replace the Harpoon.
Requirements:
1) Range of at least 200 km
2) Maximum speed of no less than Mach .8 at sea level
3) Smart active radar seeker with resistance to decoys and ECM and possibly IR or EO backup.
4) Provisions for initiating evasive maneuvers.
5) Weight of no more than 575 kg for air launched version
Official Statement: This will be a longer-ranged, more versatile replacement for the Harpoon, and will be more difficult to counter, as well as more powerful, but without a significant increase in either size or weight. It will also be capable of being fired from most Harpoon-capable platforms with little modification to allow for easy transition.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
Omzian Rocket Research Academy has showed strong interest in this FOTH project. In long times, we need a replacement for the aging Harpoon, and need a missile to supplement our Firebolt and Thunderbolt. Because we showed strong interest, we will pledge $280 million, plus full techinal assistance.
We can design the engine, guidance, and defensive systems.
we would like to contribute 500,000 millin dollars, engineers, techinitions and other military experts from Ziphen Inc. to the CSA,ULH, and LST projects.We are in dire need of a light artillery weapons, for we have none to support our paratroopers or light infantry. We also need some new aircraft capable fighters too. We have been debating to build something like this for a long time, but since you have come up with something like it we will contribute to it in hopes of getting the rights to it and the others.
We thank you for your support, and are always glad to have other nations assist in our research.
OOC: Is that supposed to be $500 million or $500 billion? The latter would be overdoing it by a significant margin.
I meant million
Western Asia
26-10-2003, 21:24
FOTH (Follow-On To Harpoon) Project
Project Goal: To create a new light, long-range antishipping missile to replace the Harpoon.
Requirements:
1) Range of at least 200 km
2) Maximum speed of no less than Mach .8 at sea level
3) Smart active radar seeker with resistance to decoys and ECM and possibly IR or EO backup.
4) Provisions for initiating evasive maneuvers.
5) Weight of no more than 575 kg for air launched version
Official Statement: This will be a longer-ranged, more versatile replacement for the Harpoon, and will be more difficult to counter, as well as more powerful, but without a significant increase in either size or weight. It will also be capable of being fired from most Harpoon-capable platforms with little modification to allow for easy transition.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
GIAI and RAFAEL, Inc. of WA have expressed interest in this project, as have several WA military officials.
OOC: It is similar to a current WA project. I'll TM you about it soon.
LPAG (Liquid Propellant Artillery Gun) Project
Project Goal: To provide an artillery platform utilizing new liquid propellant technology.
Statement: With advances in liquid propellant technology, is has been decided to develop a self-propelled artillery system based on the M2001A1 Crusader to utilize the technology.
Expected benefits include: Increased weapon range due to greater propellant efficiency; Greater versatility, as liquid propellant can be interjected in measured amounts rather than prepackaged bags, reducing the need for changes in barrel elevation; greater MRSIT capability; faster reloading; and greater propellant storage capacity.
The primary obstacles are the loading and ammunition transfer systems, which will have to be redesigned and incorporate new software.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2 years.
ULH (Ultralight Howitzer) Project
Project Goal: To provide a light, airmobile howitzer of 105mm caliber to complement the 155mm unit currently in joint development.
Requirements:
1) Weight of no more than 4000 kg
2) Range of at least 24,000m with ER munitions
3) Rate of fire of at least 8 rpm burst, and 3 rpm sustained
4) Optimum crew of no more than 8 personnel
Official Statement: The Ultralight Howitzer project will provide a light, 105mm towed gun that, through innovative new technologies, will be able to equal or exceed current 155mm light guns in virtually every category. The unit will provide a highly mobile, extremely lethal fire platform for light forces.
Estimated Time to Completion: 2.5 years
Western Asia's GIMI is interested in these projects, at very least the researching portions of your project.
OOC: Also interested in the 155mm version.
LST (Landing Ship Tank) Project
Project Goal: To provide a new vessel capable of rapidly unloading a full armored battalion on a hostile shore.
Requirements:
1) Capacity of at least 42 main battle tanks
2) Speed of no less than 20 knots
3) Maximum displacement of no more than 12,000 tons
Official Statement: One major problem with current landing forces is that even a large amphibious group can only deploy a relatively small number of heavy vehicles to due the limited vehicle space and landing craft capacity. These ships will be designed to rapidly deploy battalion-sized units onto hostile shores, allowing for a greater portion of heavy armored forces to be landed early on, rather than waiting for a port to be captured before significant numbers of tanks can be delivered.
Estimated Time to Completio/>Es 2 years
Western Asia's GINY is interested in this project.
We are truly honored to have sparked the intrest of such notable manufacturers. If there is something you desire from us, feel free to ask, and we'd be happy to work something out.
On behalf of WAAMA (the Western Asian Arms Manufacturers Association) and the IDF Projects Research and Development Authority (PRDA), we're prepared to provide your developers with significant funds and resources for their efforts or to provide a combination of financial and technical support.
WAAMA's members have many ranges and facilities for the testing of equipment and would be interested in discussing their own versions of similar projects. At very least, they would be interested in obtaining these technologies for licensed production activities in Western Asia...perhaps even producing some additional units for sale by your companies.
They have promised me that a "significant" amount of funding would be available for your researches.
GIAI and RAFAEL, Inc. have noted that they have been developing a project similar to the FOTH project that they would be interested in discussing with your people.
James Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative to WAAMA
Representative to IDF on WAAMA Affairs
CSJ, you want to start a joint stealth bomber program?
Clan Smoke Jaguar
27-10-2003, 03:55
FOTH (Follow-On To Harpoon) Project
Project Goal: To create a new light, long-range antishipping missile to replace the Harpoon.
Requirements:
1) Range of at least 200 km
2) Maximum speed of no less than Mach .8 at sea level
3) Smart active radar seeker with resistance to decoys and ECM and possibly IR or EO backup.
4) Provisions for initiating evasive maneuvers.
5) Weight of no more than 575 kg for air launched version
Official Statement: This will be a longer-ranged, more versatile replacement for the Harpoon, and will be more difficult to counter, as well as more powerful, but without a significant increase in either size or weight. It will also be capable of being fired from most Harpoon-capable platforms with little modification to allow for easy transition.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
Omzian Rocket Research Academy has showed strong interest in this FOTH project. In long times, we need a replacement for the aging Harpoon, and need a missile to supplement our Firebolt and Thunderbolt. Because we showed strong interest, we will pledge $280 million, plus full techinal assistance.
We can design the engine, guidance, and defensive systems.
As always, we thank you for your support in our project. Both monetary and technical assistance are greatly appreciated, especially in the field of defensive systems. While we plan on the missile to have a stealthy design, we are well aware that stealth alone will not be enough to counter today's fleet defense, and other features will be needed as well.
On behalf of WAAMA (the Western Asian Arms Manufacturers Association) and the IDF Projects Research and Development Authority (PRDA), we're prepared to provide your developers with significant funds and resources for their efforts or to provide a combination of financial and technical support.
WAAMA's members have many ranges and facilities for the testing of equipment and would be interested in discussing their own versions of similar projects. At very least, they would be interested in obtaining these technologies for licensed production activities in Western Asia...perhaps even producing some additional units for sale by your companies.
They have promised me that a "significant" amount of funding would be available for your researches.
GIAI and RAFAEL, Inc. have noted that they have been developing a project similar to the FOTH project that they would be interested in discussing with your people.
James Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative to WAAMA
Representative to IDF on WAAMA Affairs
Clan Smoke Jaguar Military Industries would be happy to share information, including some research data and technical experience, with WAAMA, and would be most appreciative of any assistance that WAAMA could provide, monetarily or technically, to our current projects. The possibility of full cooperative developments would also be considered,
CSJ, you want to start a joint stealth bomber program?
It depends on what type of stealth bomber you would be referring to. Would it be a tactical unit like the FB-22 concept, or a large unit like the B-1, or would it be a smaller, slower unit like the B-2?
Whether or not we're interested depends on whether or not we see the unit as a suitable one for complementing or replacing existing systems, and its utility would have to be worth the cost of designing it.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
31-10-2003, 14:57
UPDATES
The LPAG project is going well, and nearing completion. A series of test firings achieved ranges of up to 56.24 km, and it is expected that the production unit my be capable of ranges as great as 60 km with BB/RA hybrid shells. The system has yet to be mated with the vehicle chassis yet, and bugs in the loading software are still being ironed out. However, it is expected that the system will be completed on time and will meet or exceed most expectations.
The LPH project is doing nicely. However, it is believed that there may have to be some concessions in troop or helicopter capacity to accommodate the newer and more advanced systems that are being integrated into the unit.
The LST project is also nearing completion, with the vessels expected to be capable of landing upwards of 50 tanks. However, there is a small speed reduction to 18 knots. Under current specifications, a single ship could unload the primary units of an understrength armored battalion, or two ships could deploy a full battalion task force.
The YA-114 Project is going relatively smoothely. It appears that most requirements can be met or exceeded, but cost may jump to up to $30 million for the production unit. Still, this is within acceptable limits.
Much of the design work on the FOTH project is done, and the missile will be quite stealthy to improve it's ability to penetrate fleet defenses. It is, however, still undecided as to what engine and other countermeasures systems the missile will incorporate.
The CSA project is also going well, and with current projections, all variants will exceed their predecessors in performance and maintainability. For the patrol unit, several new systems are being tested, and it may take longer than expected for work on that version to be completed.
The ULH project is progressing nicely, and weight has been dropped to 3000 kg, and it may get even lighter. However, as many of the features are new and novel technologies, it is expected that the unit cost will be rather high.
The Heavy Lift Helicopter Project is running into some problems, primarily regarding the powerplant. It will take several additional months to complete the project, and costs will likely be increased.
To speed up the projects, we would like to donate an additional $200 million to the YA-114, and $180 million to the FOTH.
EDIT:
As always, we thank you for your support in our project. Both monetary and technical assistance are greatly appreciated, especially in the field of defensive systems. While we plan on the missile to have a stealthy design, we are well aware that stealth alone will not be enough to counter today's fleet defense, and other features will be needed as well.
We have some unique computer systems for the missile, that we hope will be "intelligent" enough to take evasive measures.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
31-10-2003, 17:32
To speed up the projects, we would like to donate an additional $200 million to the YA-114, and $180 million to the FOTH.
EDIT:
As always, we thank you for your support in our project. Both monetary and technical assistance are greatly appreciated, especially in the field of defensive systems. While we plan on the missile to have a stealthy design, we are well aware that stealth alone will not be enough to counter today's fleet defense, and other features will be needed as well.
We have some unique computer systems for the missile, that we hope will be "intelligent" enough to take evasive measures.
As always, we are greatful for your contribution.
If you could let us see a working model with those systems, we would consider it. We are, however, already looking into something along that line, based on systems in the Thunderbolt and Firebolt missiles, which do evasive maneuvers, but only in the terminal phase. We're seeing if we can have a system tied to a RWR so the missile will be able to initiate evasive maneuvers at any time the enemy manages to gain a radar lock.
The proposed steakth bomber would be as much like the B-2 as possible, but with a larger payload and several major upgrades.
We hope you are interested.
W to will contribute another 200 million dallors to the projects named above.
If you could let us see a working model with those systems, we would consider it. We are, however, already looking into something along that line, based on systems in the Thunderbolt and Firebolt missiles, which do evasive maneuvers, but only in the terminal phase. We're seeing if we can have a system tied to a RWR so the missile will be able to initiate evasive maneuvers at any time the enemy manages to gain a radar lock.
Our system can be installed onto the Harpoon. It consists of an IR sensor (guidance), a radar warning receiver, a processing computer, and a system similar to the TERCOM. Basically what it does is if the Harpoon installed with this system detects a wave of radar, it will pass the necessary data to the processing computer. Then, the processing computer processes the data, and decides where the radar wave is coming from, the distance of the missile from the radar emitting the radar wave, the hit probability, and how the missile will probably be hit. Then, it sends data to set evasive manuvers and measures with the help of the TERCOM-like system.
However, this is still an experimental suite, and right now it is still in development --- late development, that is.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
02-11-2003, 15:31
UPDATES
The LPAG project has finally been completed. Specs are as follows:
Designation: M2012 Cavalier
Combat Weight: 36,974 kg
Max Speed: 70 km/h (road), 50 km/h (off-road)
Max Range: 500 km
Armament: 1x155mm/56 cal howitzer, 1x12.7mm AAMG
Ammunition: 60x155mm, 300x12.7mm
Weapon Range: 60.14 km w/ hybrid, 54.2 km w/ rocket assisted, 46.07 km w/ base bleed, 35.81 km w/ unassisted
Rate of Fire: 14 rpm burst, 6 rpm sustained
Armor: 20mm
CEP: 55m @ 25 km
MRSIT Range: 5-45 km, 10 rounds max
Resupply: 60 rounds, associated propellant, and 270 gallons fuel in under 10 minutes.
There is still addtional field testing to be done, and the unit is epected to start entering service within 6 months.
The LST project is completed. Specs are as follows:
Designation: LST-2000 Faraday
Light Displacement: 6294 tons
Full Displacement: 11,276 tons
Dead Weight: 4982 tons
Length: 201.6m (672 ft)
Beam: 26.4m (88 ft)
Draft: 9.6 m (32 ft)
Speed: 18.5 knots
Cargo Area: 23,000 sq ft (2139 sq m) vehicle space
Payload: up to 58 heavy tanks
Armament: 2x3" gun, 2x30mm Bushmaster II, 1xDragon CIWS, 1x21 round launcher (RAM or PDM)
Crew: 235 + 515 troops
Expected Unit Cost: $120 million
Expected Operating Cost: $14 million
Note: It was decided to enlarge the ship in order to accommodate a full armored battalion, greatly increasing deployment capabilities.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
10-11-2003, 03:15
UPDATES
After a long wait, the Heavy Lift Helicopter project is now complete. The design has been designated the CH-61 Atlas, and has a larger payload than just about any other helicopter in existence. Stats are as follows:
Designation: CH-61 Atlas
Crew: 3-6
Maximum Weight: 52,000 kg
Length: 35m (fuselage), 43m (w/ rotors)
Maximum Speed: 300 km/h
Cruising Speed: 250 km/h
Range: 500 km w/ max payload, 850 km w/ max fuel, 2000 km ferry
Service Cieling: 5000m, 2000m (hover), 4800m (hover, w/ ground effect)
Payload: 22,000 kg max - up to 100 troops, 75 litters, 2 Kit Fox light tanks, or 2 Stormcrow AIFVs internally.
Cost: $45 million
The ULH project has been completed, and the new gun looks very impressive. Compared to the system it's replacing (the M119A1), it boasts a 25% greater rate of fire, 35% greater range, and twice the accuracy, though it does weigh 40% more. It can be transported by most medium and heavy helicopters, and has lethality close to that of many 155mm guns. Stats are as follows:
Designation: M292 LFH
Crew: 5 min, 8 optimum
Combat Weight: 2800 kg
Maximum Range: 29 km w/ RA/BB hybrid shells, 26.2 km w/ RA, 22.2 km w/ BB, 17.3 km w/ standard
Rate of Fire: 8 rpm burst, 3 rpm sustained
It should also be noted that, due to contributions to the research effort, Golden Falcon will be allowed to purchase this system with no strings attached.
The Frigate project is nearing completion, and the two vessels look to be powerful contenders. Though there is still some testing to be done, stats for the two ships are now available.
Designation: Hunter FF
Displacement: 4400 tons
Length: 129m
Beam: 14m
Speed: 35 knots
Armament: 1x3" DP gun, 8xHarpoon (2 quad launchers), 16 cell VLS (ASROC), 2x8 cell VLS (ESSM), 2xTriple 12.75" TT, 1x21 round box launcher (PDM), 1xDragon CIWS
Aircraft: 3xSH-2G or 2xSH-60B/F/R
Crew: 150
Cost: $300 million
Designation: Prowler FFG
Displacement: 4600 tons
Length: 129m
Beam: 14m
Speed: 33 knots
Armament: 1x3" DP gun, 8xHarpoon (2 quad launchers), 64 cells VLS (Tomahawk, Harpoon, TACMS, SLAM, LASM, NADSAM, ASROC), 2x8 cell VLS (ESSM), 2x12.75" TT, 1x21 round box launcher (PDM), 1xDragon CIWS
Aircraft: 1xSH-60B/F/R
Crew: 172
Cost: $550 million
The YA-114 Project has been completed, and is on sale now. Due to contributions to the research effort, Omz222 will be given a production contract for the aircraft.
LPH project has been completed, and is also on sale now.
We thank CSJ for their contribution. Because of wartime needs, the YA-114 will enter massive production.
(OOC: War is nto going to start now, plenty of time :D )
We have decided to donate another 100 mil to the projects we have investid in already and any other support you might need.
We have also decided to invest 100 mil in your frigat project and any other assistance you might need. We have great need for a new frigates. (OOC: ours are pretty much out of date)
Clan Smoke Jaguar
15-11-2003, 01:51
Double post
Clan Smoke Jaguar
15-11-2003, 01:51
--------SECRET UNITS (for the war)----------
Anarchy Class DDG
Displacement: 9200 tons
Speed: 32 knots
Armament: 1x5"/62 cal, 1x24 cell VLS (SM-3), 1x32 cell VLS (Tomahawk, ASROC, Harpoon, ESSM), 2x8 cell VLS (ESSM), 2x21 round box launcher (RIM-242 PDM), 2xDragon CIWS, 2xTriple 12.75" TT
Aircraft: 2xMH-60R or 3xSH-2G
Crew: 376
This is a heavily modified Arleigh Burke hull equipped to use the SM-3 exoatmospheric missile. Its primary roles are engaging ICBMs in flight, and destroying enemy sattelites. To that end, most of it's air defense capability has been removed, but its ASW and defensive capabilities have been significantly improved, making it quite capable of operating on its own if need be. The ship is designed to outwardly resemble a slightly modified Arliegh Burke, and there is little indication of its actual purpose on the exterior.
Cost: $1.1 billion
M48A7 Marauder
Crew: 4
Combat Weight: 53,000 kg
Speed: 51 km/h
Range: 500 km
Armament: 1x105mm M68, 1x12.7mm, 2x7.62mm
Armor (max): 475mm (1040 against HEAT)
This is a heavily modified M48 done to a standard simlar to the Sabra and M60-2000. It has been upgraded with new armor, a slightly improved engine, and fire control that brings it close to the IPM1 in capability, with speed being the only area where it falls behind that unit. It is, however, significantly lighter.
------NOT QUITE SECRET, BUT NOT IN THE STORES------
16" ERGPU (extended range guided projectile-unitary)
An ERGP round with a large unitary warhead instead of the standard DPICM.
16" ERGPP (extended range guided projectile-penetrator)
An ERGP round with a heavy penetrating warhead for engaging hardened targets at long range.
16" ERGP-I
A version of the insulated shell with 240 M77 bomblets for use against targets protected by lasers. As lasers work by disabling components or detonating fuel/explosives through heat, this shell encases the DPICM bomblets in an insulated shell to protect them, rendering the round immune.
12" Rounds: all the variants of the 16" shell are available for 12" guns
Clan Smoke Jaguar
16-11-2003, 06:11
UPDATE
No, we're still closed :P
The FOTH project has, due to rushed development over the past several months, been completed early. Designation for the system is AGM-271 Shinma.
Specifications are as follows:
Weight: 547 kg (AGM-271A "light" version), 680 kg (AGM-271B "heavy" version), 771 kg (BGM-271C hvy w/ booster)
Length: 3.86m (light), 4.44m (heavy), 5.12m (w/ booster)
Diameter: 39 cm
Wingspan: 1.02m
Max Speed: 1105 km/h (Mach .9) at sea level
Max Range: 220 km (light), 280 km (heavy), 340 km (w/ booster)
Guidance: Inertial w/ IIR or EO terminal
Warhead: 226.8 kg HE (light), 340 kg (heavy)
After nearly four years since development was announced, this advanced missile is finally coming into the fold. The missile comes in three versions - a light 1200 lb unit for use on aircraft, a heavier 1500 lb unit for aircraft and ships, and a ship-only unit with a weight of 1700 lbs. All versions of the missile are very stealthy and fly at sea-skimming altitudes, making them extremely difficult to detect and engage. To back that up, most versions use passive IIR or EO sensors for terminal homing, allowing specific targets to be selected and providing no radar signals that can be homed in on. The warheads (500 & 750lb) on the missiles are not exceptionally powerful, but are enough to cause serious damage to escort and cargo ships. To further it's versatility, the missile includes a two-way data link that will allow an operator to guide it or switch targets in mid flight.
As a final measure, the missile includes an RWR tied to a computer system that can initiate evasive maneuvers should the missile be engaged at any point in its flight.
The CSA project has also been completed. Designations for the new units are C-68 Cutter (cargo), S-67 Kingfisher (ASW/Patrol), E-68 Eagle Eye (AWACS), ES-67 Humpback (EW). Stats are as follows:
Crew: 12 (E-68 ), 4 (all others)
Maximum Weight: 27,000 kg
Length: 17m
Wingspan: 24m
Height: 7m
Speed: 980 km/h (Mach .8 ) at sea level (613 km/h cruise for C-68 & E-68 )
Range: 3900 km (C-67, E-67B), 5000 km (S-67, E-67)
Payload: 4800 kg max (24 passengers or 18 litter patients in C-67)
Cost: $35 million (C-68 ), $45 million (S-67), $60 million (ES-67), $70 million (E-68 )
These aircraft represent a full range of systems for carrier support operations based on two basic airframes. The cargo and AWACS aircraft have been found to work better with a slightly different wing and fuselage design than the other units, and this has increased the number of airframes to two. However, they maintain over 60% parts commonality, so the difference is more cosmetic than technical. All aircraft are capable of carrying buddy stores to act as aerial refueling units if necessary, and the basic performance is the same for most units.
The primary unit is the S-67, which is an ASW/Patrol vessel. With a load of 48 sonobuoys, as well as a number of torpedoes, mines, or antishipping missiles (up to 8 AGM-271A or 6 AGM-271B), it provides excellent capabilities against both surface and submarine threats.
The second unit is a variation of the S-67, dubbed the ES-67. This unit is packed with SIGINT systems and acts as an airborne ELINT, COMLINT, and SIGINT aircraft, with a secondary role as an airborne jamming unit.
The third unit is the cargo aircraft, which is capable of hauling a decent load of troops or cargo to or from carriers.
The final unit is the AWACS system, which provides a large radar with a range in excess of 400 km (25% more than the E-2C), and a decent crew to take advantage of the system. This is, not surprisingly, based on the cargo variant.
Very nice. Especially the FOTH, it should provide a great reprocussion effect on the enemy naval forces, and maybe even additional psylogical effect for the enemy forces.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
18-11-2003, 10:36
UPDATE
Secret projects:
SAARM Project (Surface-to-Air Anti-Radiation Missile)
Project Goal: To create a long range, ground launched missile with passive radar homing, to engage AEW, JSTARS, and jamming aircraft.
Specifications:
Designation: MIM-276 SAARM
Launch Weight: 2100 kg
Length: 7.5m
Diameter: 0.5m
Speed: Mach 3.5 (4290 km/h)
Range: 20-240 km, 2-38 km altitude
Maneuverability: 15g
Guidance: Passive radar or "home-on-jam"
Warhead: blast fragmentation w/ proximity fuze. Lethal burst radius - 35m
Hit probability: 95% with two missiles
Notes: This is designed to be a powerful supplement to normal air defense systems that provides a means of eliminating airborne jammers, thus allowing SAMs to engage enemy systems with no problem. Midway through development, the task was expanded to provide a ground-based system that can also threaten enemy airborne radar platforms, such as AWACS, AEW, and JSTARS aircraft, which accounts for the long range of the missile. A typical battery, once the system is deployed, will consist of 4 ESM (Electronics Support Measures) sensor posts, which will provide passive radar detection; 3 TELs with 4 missiles each; and 3 missile transloaders.
Project Status: 3 Prototype and preproduction batteries have been produced and are in testing. Production is expected to commence within 3 months. A modified NADSAM variant using similar technology is also under development, but is not expected to enter production for 6 months.
High-Speed submarine project.
Project goal: To provide a nuclear powered submarine capable of speeds in excess of 45 knots.
Requirements:
1) Speed of over 45 knots
2) Similar noise levels to at least Los Angelas boats at normal speeds
3) Advanced sonar and protection systems
Statement: Though the Alfa class attack submarine was not very succesful due to poor sonar and an unreliable power plant, the concept of a fast nuclear attack sub remains sound. To that end, Clan Smoke Jaguar is designing a submarine that would be a far more effective counterpart to the Alfa, which is advanced, relatively quiet, and capable of making high-speed dashes either for maneuvering around enemy fleets, making quick strikes into them, or fleeing after an attack.
Estimated Time to Completion: 1 year
Clan Smoke Jaguar
20-11-2003, 06:33
UPDATE
Secret projects:
Crossbolt heavy antishipping missile project.
Project Goal: To provide a heavy, long range counterpart to the Firebolt/Thunderbolt for submarine and surface vessels, which is capable of seriously damaging even heavy ships.
Missile Specifications:
Designation: RGM/UGM-283 Crossbolt
Launch Weight: 8200 kg
Length: 11.2m
Diameter: 1.15m
Speed: Mach 3 (3190 km/h) at high altitude, Mach 1.7 (2080 km/h) at sea level, Mach 2.35 (2880 km/h) terminal.
Max Range: 600 km
Altitude at terminal phase: 7m
Guidance: Inertial w/ 2 way data link and Active Radar terminal, with IR backup. Passive radar and IIR are also to be available.
Warhead: 907 kg (2000 lb) penetrating HE
This is a fast, very long range counterpart to the smaller Thunderbolt and Firebolt missiles, with its closest equivalent being the Soviet Granat (SS-N-19 Shipwreck), though this is far more capable. Taking a cue from the Soviet missile, it has an onboard jammer to help defend against enemy missiles, and a backup IR seeker for its active radar one.
The Project also includes a modified Chimera SSGN that holds 24 of the missile. Due to the design, it is believed that new classes of ships may be needed to take full advantage of the weapon.
The weapon can be fired from Carrack class cruisers, as well as Sniper and Sparrowhawk Destroyers, with modification. The Carrack can load a 16-round vertical luancher instead of a 64-cell VLS, and the other ships can load a 9-round instead (the Carrack has more extra space available).
Project Status: Prototypes in testing
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 months
Advanced large SSGN project:
Project goal: To provide a new class of SSGN for launching the Crossbolt missile
Specifications:
Designation: Crossbow SSGN
Displacement: 24,000 tons submerged, 16,000 tons surfaced
Length: 165m
Beam: 18.5m
Speed: 35 knots submerged
Endurance: 6 months
Operating Depth: 280m
Armament: 24xCrossbolt, 6x21" TT w/ 28 torpedoes
Crew: 107
Notes: The ship is expected to be as quiet as the Chimera SSBN, meaning that it will be very difficult to detect, and the long range launch capablity makes it very survivable. Advanced sonar and quieting systems are being used, as well as the standard titanium double hull used in all CSJ submarines.
Estimated Time to Completion: 6 months
OOC:
*Eyes the Crossbolt, then looks back to the Shinma*
Hoping these missile will soon come to my little inventory of anti-ship weapons :P :twisted:
Clan Smoke Jaguar
22-11-2003, 23:04
Some Munitions that aren't in the store front (for the war):
M778 105mm HE: Just your simple high explosive round.
M799 105mm HEP-T: High explosive plastique round. For use against bunkers and walls, as well as some armor.
M815 105mm HEAT-MP: A dual-purpose HEAT round for use against infantry and armor
M833 105mm APFSDS-T: A 105mm Sabot shell.
M1001 105mm KE: A simple round based on the old armor-piercing rounds of WWII. Studies have shown that such rounds, while standing no chance of penetrating armor, provide such heavy impact that they tend to jar equipment loose and even create spalling within the vehicle, similar to the HESH/HEP rounds. And they're cheap to boot.
M1040 105mm canister round: An AFV fired shotgun shell. Low tech and cheap, but capable of shredding entire infantry formations at ranges up to 500m
M1102 105mm APERS: A 105mm Flechette round with 8000 small darts for engaging infantry. The flechettes have a longer range than the buckshot used by canister rounds, and are able to maintain lethality for several km.
M943 STAFF: A 120mm tank round with an EFP, which flies over the target and fires downward to penetrate the thin top armor. It is guided and can be fired out to 7 km.
M1000 120mm KE: A 120mm version of the M1001 round
M1007 120mm ERM: A special long-range tank round that is capable of engaging enemy units at ranges exceeding 8 km using indirect fire. As this is beyond the normal line-of-sight, a spotter is required, though this could be anything from an infantryman to a UAV. The penetrator itself is simlar to the X-ROD, but not quite as powerful (the attack profile reduces the amount of armor that must be defeated anyway).
M1008 120mm ERM: A similar unit to the M1007, but with a HEAT warhead instead.
M1028 120mm caniser round: An even bigger round, known to wipe out entire infantry companies.
M1089 120mm X-ROD: A guided 120mm tank round with a range of 4 km. The round flies a ballistic profile similar to HEAT, but instead of a chemical attack, it carries a charge that propels a small penetrator to extreme velocities, creating a KE round that doesn't lose penetration over range. This makes it extremely lethal against tanks.
M1103 120mm APERS: A 120mm flechette round
M944 STAFF: A 140mm version of the M943, with similar range but much greater penetration.
M1002 140mm KE: A 140mm version of the M1001 KE round
M1017 140mm ERM: A 140mm version of the M1007, with a range of over 10km
M1018 140mm ERM: A 140mm version of the M1008.
M1071 140mm canister round: Yup, even the biggest tanks have 'em.
M1090 140mm X-ROD: An even bigger and badder X-ROD round, capable of defeating almost any known tank at ranges exceeding 5km.
M1104 140mm APERS: A 140mm flechette round
M867 "Jabberwocky": A 155mm projectile that deploys a parachute-retarded, battery-operated broadband radio jammer, which will operate for a few hours.
M898 155mm SADARM: A 155mm extended range artillery shell with 2 SADARM submunitions, which deploy a parachute and float down, using a dual mode radar/IR seeker to identify targets. If a target is identified, the munition will guide itself over and engage with an EFP. Otherwise, it will self destruct. These are designed primarily to strike at like armor, such as emeny self-propelled artillery.
M31 MLRS Rocket: A new version of the MLRS with 6 SADARM smart submunitions. These are a much heavier version than the 155mm delivered one, and are good against MBTs.
M32 MLRS Rocket: A MLRS with 28 parachute retarded heavy antitank mines
Ferrussia
27-11-2003, 00:28
The People’s Republic of Ferrussia has recently decided to break ground on a project to supply the army with large quantities of quality weapons with similar, if not same, chasses. The “Common Chassis” program, as it’s being called, could beneifit greatly from the assistance of CSJMI (OOC: Particularly your expertise. I wouldn't mind if you made them almost entirely on your own and sold them as your own - think of this as a joint project offer).
(OOC: My primary reason for doing this, in addition to all the maintenance benefits and junk, is because my head is always spinning with the 5,000 different kinds of tanks, APCs, etc. that there always are. I never know what one is good at or bad at. This would make it quite easy for me, and has quite a few IC side benefits, as well.)
The following are the expectations and goals of the various facets of the program.
CC-LT (Common Chassis – Light Tank)
This is meant to be a highly used light tank for urban combat, deployments in difficult terrain, and other missions that require the power of a tank in a more mobile and fast-response package.
Initial requirements/expectations:
-Air liftable
-Light, maneouverable
-Decent firepower + protection (vs. small arms, RPGs, etc.)
-Heavy anti-infantry abilities
-Optimized for urban combat
-Amphibious?
-High adaptability for varied missions
CC-HT (Common Chassis – Heavy Tank)
This is meant to be a heavier, but less mobile tank. Primary missions will include backup of front lines, open tank vs. tank engagements, and heavy support fire for various missions.
Initial requirements/expectations:
-Superior protection (up to 1000 mm KE)
-Long range punch
-Survivability
-Optimized for open engagement of enemy armor.
CC-APC/IFV
This is meant to be a common platform for nearly all APC and IFV roles, as well as a platform for various heavy weapons (.50 cal, TOW, Stinger, etc.) and many variants (much like the M113). Essentially meant as a combination of the strengths of the “Hummvee” and modern APC/IFV. Will likely be the workhorse chassis for engagements that require more than the minimal protection of the Hummer.
Initial requirements/expectations:
-Many variants, including the 3 primary combat versions:
--->Light APC
--->Heavy APC
--->Anti-Infantry role IFV
-Multi-purpose and adaptable
-May include the design and employment of a “universal mount” for many primary vehicle-mounted weapons systems, including: .50 cal, TOW, Stinger, Grenade Machine guns, and possibly even more advanced systems, such as the Hellfire missile.
-Decent protection against small arms, Anti-Materiel rifles, RPG, etc., as well as mines
-Highly survivable
-Easily maintianable/fixed on field (or at least provisions to do so).
-Possible primary armament: 20mm cannon
-Air liftable
-Amphibious?
-Possible versions: Mortar, Front Line Supply, AA, Engineer transport, Vehicle recovery, Mine clearing, Command, etc.
CC-AT (Common Chassis – Armored Truck)
Designed to be an update to the highly versatile “Hummvee”, but more specifically designed to modern specifications and incresed compatibility/augmentation with other CC- vehicles.
Initial requirements/expectations:
-High speed
-Lightweight, maneuverable
-Some protection against RPG
-Decent protection against small arms, Anti-Materiel rifles, and mines.
-Weapons-mounting ability (perhaps permanent mounts in different versions)
-Survivable
-Air liftable
-Amphibious, to a limited extent
CC-MS/IF (Common Chassis – Mobile Support/Indirect Fire)
Still conceptual. Would be a common chassis for a variety of support fire, such as artillery, rockets, AA missiles, and mortar.
Another related project we’d be interested in:
FFC (Common Frigrate)
This would be a frigrate design for use in nearly every escort and patrol role that does not require a larger ship. It will have many different specialized versions. If possible, the design would be modular to the extent that - in extreme (likely wartime) conditions - the frigrate could actually be changed to a different version, albeit to a lesser capacity. (Don't really know if that's possible.)
The commonality in parts and structure (save for version-related equiptment) would make them both very easy to service and repair by the same crews, and also simplify training for the ship immensely.
Initial requirements/expectations:
- A modest assortment of standard armaments
- Decently sized (for a frigrate)
- A rear helipad?
- Possible versions:
--->ASW version
--->ASuW version
--->AA version
--->General Purpose/Escort version
--->Cruise/anti-shipping missile defense version? (Mini AEGIS?)
--->Other versions (suggestions?)
Clan Smoke Jaguar
27-11-2003, 00:42
OOC:
It's a bit of work, but many of those can be done easily or tossed outright.
The tanks can easily be the current systems with an upgrade or replacement for the older Kit Fox.
The APC/IFV already exists. Both the M113 and LAV fit the requirements perfectly. A new system would be based on one of those.
The MS/IF isn't a bad idea (crusader chassis would be a good starting place). However, SPMs should go with APCs or IFVs. They don't need, and shouldn't have, heavier chasses. Well, unless you want something like the huge 240mm mortars in Soviet service. Most short-range air devense systems also work better with APC/IFV or tank chassis. Long-range missiles are a different story though.
The Frigate is already done. look about 11 posts before yours. It's there.
United Elias
27-11-2003, 01:01
Elias Aerospace currently have a demonstrator model that maybe a suitable platform for your maritime Unmanned Air Vehicle as it is designed for better endurance and survivability over the Storm Scout (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1726050#1726050) while retaining the small eck capability.
Ferrussia
27-11-2003, 01:05
OOC:
Aah, read the whole thread and still missed the Frigrates. :) Whoops. Thanks.
At any rate, I'm pretty sure that most modern systems - and many of yours - would work for the roles I've thought of, but the problem is, I can never tell them apart. :( For example, with the two Frigrates in your post, I can't tell what purpose either one would serve.
So, perhaps it would be better, instead of making the CC things, if you were to just help me out in figuring out what things do what? Lol, it's a wierd request, I know, but that's one of the things I have the most trouble with. Unless it has stamped on it "Light, maneuverable, modestly armored tank", I wouldn't know it if it ran over me.
If you're at all interested in naming the most effective systems for each of the major combat roles (especially helpful would be one from your designs, and one RL design, unless they're the same), we could pretty much scratch my post above (save for the HS/IF idea. The more I think of it, the more I like it.). Once again, wierd request, I know, but it'd help me more than you know.
I'd also appreciate a list of your major systems (like the Iron Cheetahs, original and Mk2, the Myst Lynx, Stormcrow, etc.) and what category they'd fall under.
Thanks for bearing with me. :)
Clan Smoke Jaguar
29-11-2003, 16:08
OOC: Ok, I'm finally getting around to this (Thanksgiving weekend is very busy where I work, yet somehow I got the rest of it off without asking. Kind of makes you wonder . . . )
I'll get to the other stuff later, but will start with the Frigates
The FFG system is mission adaptable, and can be used for Air Defense (any naval air defense system is expected to engage both cruise missiles and aircraft), and ASuW. It still has notable ASW capabilities though (think Perry class).
The FF is primarily an ASW version (Knox), which focuses on engaging submarines but maintains some capabilities in the other areas.
Both designs are good general-purpose escort and patrol vessels, and they complement each other well.
OOC: Hmm, when will the Crossbolt and SAARM be finally finished? :P
Clan Smoke Jaguar
29-11-2003, 17:56
OOC: Hmm, when will the Crossbolt and SAARM be finally finished? :P
Well, I was slowing it down a bit for the war, but all the sysems will be coming into play by next weekend. I'm going to start sending over preproduction ones soon, as well as production Shinmas.
Kazakhstania
29-11-2003, 18:01
Sorry to spam, but CSJ, can you check out my M-12 and A-15 for mistakes?
Clan Smoke Jaguar
29-11-2003, 18:54
Sorry to spam, but CSJ, can you check out my M-12 and A-15 for mistakes?
Next time remember to post a link. If the forum was being problematic or I was short on time, I wouldn't have bothered looking.
The APC is okay, but there are two things: The first is that the hydrogen powerplant for the IFV is a little much. That's a bit above the tech level all the other components are at. On a slightly lesser note, the last two pics on the M-12 page are too big. People will be more inclined to look at it if they don't have to use the horizontal scroll bar just to read. It's a pet peeve of mine that's shared by numerous other individuals.
The other is for the aircraft. The problem is with the loadout. To put if simply, mavericks aren't exactly small. They're only about 2/3 the length of an AMRAAM, but have twice the diameter and 1.4 times the wingspan. That means that you're not going to be carrying to many internally, even if you were to use a unit with folding wings (assuming that the bay's long enough to carry two end-to-end, you'd still be able to carry only half as many mavericks as AMRAAMs).
Kazakhstania
29-11-2003, 20:50
Sorry to spam, but CSJ, can you check out my M-12 and A-15 for mistakes?
Next time remember to post a link. If the forum was being problematic or I was short on time, I wouldn't have bothered looking.
The APC is okay, but there are two things: The first is that the hydrogen powerplant for the IFV is a little much. That's a bit above the tech level all the other components are at. On a slightly lesser note, the last two pics on the M-12 page are too big. People will be more inclined to look at it if they don't have to use the horizontal scroll bar just to read. It's a pet peeve of mine that's shared by numerous other individuals.
The other is for the aircraft. The problem is with the loadout. To put if simply, mavericks aren't exactly small. They're only about 2/3 the length of an AMRAAM, but have twice the diameter and 1.4 times the wingspan. That means that you're not going to be carrying to many internally, even if you were to use a unit with folding wings (assuming that the bay's long enough to carry two end-to-end, you'd still be able to carry only half as many mavericks as AMRAAMs).
Thanks. I will change that now.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
03-12-2003, 06:41
New projects
Advanced AIP Submarine Project
Project Goal: To develop an AIP submarine capable of operating underwater for great periods of time:
Requirements:
1) Submerged endurance of no less than 63 days at 3 knots (3x most current vessels)
2) Submerged speed of greater than 20 knots
3) Advanced sonar and fire control
4) Cost of no more than $500 million per boat
Official statement: Most current submarines with AIP propulsion are only capable of operating for about 21 days at the low speed of 3 knots. Clan Smoke Jaguar, recognizing further advances in AIP technology, Clan Smoke Jaguar is attempting to design a pure AIP submarine, rather than a hybrid of conventional DE and AIP like those currently used. This submarine is expected to have an endurance similar to nuclear powered boats, though it will still lack the speed capabilities.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
CGN Project
Project Goal: To produce a nuclear powered cruiser to act as an escort for nuclear carriers, allowing for rapid deployment to trouble locations.
Requirements:
1) Maximum cruising speed of at least 30 knots
2) Significant capabilities in ASW, ASuW, and AA warfare.
3) High degree of commonality with existing escorts (Sparrowhawk, Carrack, etc)
Official Statement: In the opening days of the Omz222/Sniper Country conflict, it was made clear that we do not have as great a capability in foreign deployments as we'd like. To further our ability to project power throughout the world, we require a fleet capable of rapidly reinforcing any location. The only way to truly provide this is to have a core of nuclear powered vessels with high endurance and cruising speed. This is envisioned as a carrier escort that's capable of keeping pace with a nuclear powered carrier to allow for faster deployment to trouble locations.
Estimated Time to Completion: 3 years
Medium Carrier (CVM) Project
Project Goal: To provide a new medium carrier to replace some of our aging fleet carriers.
Requirements:
1) Complement of approximately 50-60 aircraft
2) Total crew of no more than 3200
3) Provisions for up to 1000 transients
4) Speed of at least 33 knots
5) Cost of no more than $3.5 billion per ship
Official Statement: With the large Nicholas Kerensky class carriers starting to show their age, it has been decided that we need a new class of smaller, faster carriers to continue their work. They will likely be nuclear powered, though conventionally powered variants would not be unheard of.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
---Secured Transmission---
To: CSJMI R&D Department
From: Omzian Navy
We wonder if Clan Smoke Jaguar is interested to work on a "Heavy Air-Launched Anti-Ship Missile" project, as a replacement for the incompatible AS-4/Kh-22, with us of course. While we can develop these ourselves for wartime use, we are sure that CSJMI would also get benefits to develop this missile with us. This project should be kept confidental from the international stage, just with the Crossbolt project.
Project Goal: To provide an air-launched counterpart of the Crossbolt, with weight reduced and designed for launch from heavy bombers and/or possibly fighter-bombers.
Proposed Requirements:
1) Launch weight to be no more than 6500kg
2) Speed to be no less than Mach 3 at high altitude, Mach 1.6 at sea skimmer level (if applicatable).
3) Range to be no less than 350km.
4) Should be capable of sea-skimmering with a low (<15m) altitude, or high altitude with an altitude of approximately no less than 20km.
5) Guidance should be intertial with data link and active radar terminal with IR backup.
6) Warhead should be no less than 800kg.
7) Heavy bombers (B-52/B-1B) must be able to carry at least 3, medium bombers (B-2) must be able to carry at least 2, fighter-bombers (F/A-18, A-12Cs, etc) should be modified to carry at least one on fuselage.
8] Ramjet engines with rocket boosters recommended, with certain low-observabable features.
Description: With the inefficency of testing of CALCMs used in anti-ship roles, and with the demise of air-launched heavy anti-ship missiles, it has been clear that a heavy air-launched anti-ship missile is needed to defeat heavily-armored ships incase submarines and ships with Crossbolts are unavailable. Right after the retirement of Omzian Tu-22m6 with AS-4 Kitchen missiles, the demand has gone up even further. The project is to create a modern, survivable anti-ship missile that can counter and heavily damage merchant tankers and ships, heavily-armored cruisers, aircraft carriers, and battleships in just a few shots.
Please respond on what CSJMI thinks about the proposal.
---End---
United Elias
14-12-2003, 21:01
New projects
Advanced AIP Submarine Project
Project Goal: To develop an AIP submarine capable of operating underwater for great periods of time:
Requirements:
1) Submerged endurance of no less than 63 days at 3 knots (3x most current vessels)
2) Submerged speed of greater than 20 knots
3) Advanced sonar and fire control
4) Cost of no more than $500 million per boat
Official statement: Most current submarines with AIP propulsion are only capable of operating for about 21 days at the low speed of 3 knots. Clan Smoke Jaguar, recognizing further advances in AIP technology, Clan Smoke Jaguar is attempting to design a pure AIP submarine, rather than a hybrid of conventional DE and AIP like those currently used. This submarine is expected to have an endurance similar to nuclear powered boats, though it will still lack the speed capabilities.
Estimated Time to Completion: 4 years
If you are prepared to accept bids from foreign corporations, Elias Msrine offers a type that fulfills most of the requirements and could be modified to reach all of them if such technology was devloped by CSJ.
(EM-220) Tigershark class Diesel Electric Submarine (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2132825#2132825)
Clan Smoke Jaguar
15-12-2003, 00:44
If you are prepared to accept bids from foreign corporations, Elias Msrine offers a type that fulfills most of the requirements and could be modified to reach all of them if such technology was devloped by CSJ.
(EM-220) Tigershark class Diesel Electric Submarine (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2132825#2132825)
Nice try, but the 1st requirement is by far the most important. We already have AIP subs that exceed yours in almost every area. We're looking for ones that exceed those subs.
---Secured Transmission---
To: CSJMI R&D Department
From: Omzian Navy
We wonder if Clan Smoke Jaguar is interested to work on a "Heavy Air-Launched Anti-Ship Missile" project, as a replacement for the incompatible AS-4/Kh-22, with us of course. While we can develop these ourselves for wartime use, we are sure that CSJMI would also get benefits to develop this missile with us. This project should be kept confidental from the international stage, just with the Crossbolt project.
Project Goal: To provide an air-launched counterpart of the Crossbolt, with weight reduced and designed for launch from heavy bombers and/or possibly fighter-bombers.
Proposed Requirements:
1) Launch weight to be no more than 6500kg
2) Speed to be no less than Mach 3 at high altitude, Mach 1.6 at sea skimmer level (if applicatable).
3) Range to be no less than 350km.
4) Should be capable of sea-skimmering with a low (<15m) altitude, or high altitude with an altitude of approximately no less than 20km.
5) Guidance should be intertial with data link and active radar terminal with IR backup.
6) Warhead should be no less than 800kg.
7) Heavy bombers (B-52/B-1B) must be able to carry at least 3, medium bombers (B-2) must be able to carry at least 2, fighter-bombers (F/A-18, A-12Cs, etc) should be modified to carry at least one on fuselage.
8] Ramjet engines with rocket boosters recommended, with certain low-observabable features.
Description: With the inefficency of testing of CALCMs used in anti-ship roles, and with the demise of air-launched heavy anti-ship missiles, it has been clear that a heavy air-launched anti-ship missile is needed to defeat heavily-armored ships incase submarines and ships with Crossbolts are unavailable. Right after the retirement of Omzian Tu-22m6 with AS-4 Kitchen missiles, the demand has gone up even further. The project is to create a modern, survivable anti-ship missile that can counter and heavily damage merchant tankers and ships, heavily-armored cruisers, aircraft carriers, and battleships in just a few shots.
Please respond on what CSJMI thinks about the proposal.
---End---
OOC: *ahem* *cough* *hack*
Also, is the Crossbolt project entering full production, by any chance? :P
Clan Smoke Jaguar
15-12-2003, 13:00
---Secured Transmission---
To: CSJMI R&D Department
From: Omzian Navy
We wonder if Clan Smoke Jaguar is interested to work on a "Heavy Air-Launched Anti-Ship Missile" project, as a replacement for the incompatible AS-4/Kh-22, with us of course. While we can develop these ourselves for wartime use, we are sure that CSJMI would also get benefits to develop this missile with us. This project should be kept confidental from the international stage, just with the Crossbolt project.
Project Goal: To provide an air-launched counterpart of the Crossbolt, with weight reduced and designed for launch from heavy bombers and/or possibly fighter-bombers.
Proposed Requirements:
1) Launch weight to be no more than 6500kg
2) Speed to be no less than Mach 3 at high altitude, Mach 1.6 at sea skimmer level (if applicatable).
3) Range to be no less than 350km.
4) Should be capable of sea-skimmering with a low (<15m) altitude, or high altitude with an altitude of approximately no less than 20km.
5) Guidance should be intertial with data link and active radar terminal with IR backup.
6) Warhead should be no less than 800kg.
7) Heavy bombers (B-52/B-1B) must be able to carry at least 3, medium bombers (B-2) must be able to carry at least 2, fighter-bombers (F/A-18, A-12Cs, etc) should be modified to carry at least one on fuselage.
8] Ramjet engines with rocket boosters recommended, with certain low-observabable features.
Description: With the inefficency of testing of CALCMs used in anti-ship roles, and with the demise of air-launched heavy anti-ship missiles, it has been clear that a heavy air-launched anti-ship missile is needed to defeat heavily-armored ships incase submarines and ships with Crossbolts are unavailable. Right after the retirement of Omzian Tu-22m6 with AS-4 Kitchen missiles, the demand has gone up even further. The project is to create a modern, survivable anti-ship missile that can counter and heavily damage merchant tankers and ships, heavily-armored cruisers, aircraft carriers, and battleships in just a few shots.
Please respond on what CSJMI thinks about the proposal.
---End---
OOC: *ahem* *cough* *hack*
Also, is the Crossbolt project entering full production, by any chance? :P
The idea isn't bad, but there are some notable problems. First and foremost, such a missile would be too big for any current bomb bay, even with scaling it down. Therefore, it would only be able to be deployed on B-52s, B-1s, and other large bombers with external hard points. You can forget about fighters, as absolutely none of them carry hard points rated at anywhere near the weight of the missile, and an A-12 again carries weapons internally, so you can forget about that as well.
It might prove to be a good idea to scale it down to 6000 kg, otherwise heavy bombers will only be able to hold two each. Doing so would mean that up to four could be mounted on a modified B-1.
Weight reduction would come from reduced range and warhead, and we would suggest no more than 350km w/ a 680 kg (1500 lb) warhead. 800 kg is too heavy for a reduced size missile, unless it were to lose the sea-skimming feature, which we would strongly advise against.
And yes, the Crossbolt is expected to enter production soon.
OOC: I know I'm taking a bit, but I don't want to start producing it before the prototypes are used up, and it would make the naval war extremely one-sided if it were used in any significant numbers.
The idea isn't bad, but there are some notable problems. First and foremost, such a missile would be too big for any current bomb bay, even with scaling it down. Therefore, it would only be able to be deployed on B-52s, B-1s, and other large bombers with external hard points. You can forget about fighters, as absolutely none of them carry hard points rated at anywhere near the weight of the missile, and an A-12 again carries weapons internally, so you can forget about that as well.
It might prove to be a good idea to scale it down to 6000 kg, otherwise heavy bombers will only be able to hold two each. Doing so would mean that up to four could be mounted on a modified B-1.
Weight reduction would come from reduced range and warhead, and we would suggest no more than 350km w/ a 680 kg (1500 lb) warhead. 800 kg is too heavy for a reduced size missile, unless it were to lose the sea-skimming feature, which we would strongly advise against.
And yes, the Crossbolt is expected to enter production soon.
OOC: I know I'm taking a bit, but I don't want to start producing it before the prototypes are used up, and it would make the naval war extremely one-sided if it were used in any significant numbers.
--Secured Transmission--
We thank CSJMI for their advice and technical data. A redesign will be commercing soon, with a 330km range, 680kg warhead, and 5920kg. Sea-skimmering is a must. The requirements for fighters to carry this missile has been once again eliminated.
Once again, we hope that CSJMI would still be interested.
--End--
Clan Smoke Jaguar
16-12-2003, 21:23
--Secured Transmission to Omzian Navy--
We will be happy to work with our Omzian allies in developing this missile, and we will begin working on it ASAP. This would work best with a B-1 aircraft modified to carry them externally. Perhaps our Omzian allies could work on a version with 4 6000 kg hardpooints replacing the standard 6 4000 kg ones, and possibly additional features added internally to replace one or more of the RLAs in the bomb bays.
--End Transmission--
UPDATES
Toryu Refit:
Yet another major refit of the Toryu Class battleship has taken place, with two vessels (Unryu and Soryu) having already been upgraded. In addition, two new vessels are being constructed to this standard, with approximately one year left in construction time. The remaining six vessels are, of course, unavailable for refit right now.
The refit includes the removal of 2 twin 5" turrets, as well as the ASROC launcher and two of the quad harpoon launchers (with the rest now modified for Shinmas), and has the AMFEL traded in for the newer and more compact AMFEL II. With the extra space, 96 additional VLS cells were added, as well as 6 quad Firebolt launchers and 32 Crossbolt VLS. Additional CIWS systems have been added, which, combined with the improved capabilities of the AMFEL II, increase point defense capabilities by over 80%. Finally, an upgraded CIRRUS Mk.2C fire control system has been added, including improved radars and the provision for a new version of the NADSAM with passive radar guidance.
New stats:
Displacement: 92,500 tons
Speed: 32 knots
Armament: 9x16”/58 Cal, 6xTwin 5”/62 cal, 24xShinma (6 Quad launchers), 256 Cells VLS (NADSAM, ESSM, Naginata, Shinma, NTACMS), 24xFirebolt (6 Quad launchers), 32xCrossbolt (angled VLS), 1xAMFEL II, 6x21 round launcher (RIM-242 PDM), 8xDragon CIWS, 6x25mm Bushmaster, 18x12.7mm
Typical VLS Load: 84xNADSAM ER, 96xNADSAM MR, 80xESSM, 32xNaginata, 24xVLASROC
Aircraft: 6xMH-60R Strikehawk, 8xUAV
Armor: 12-22.5” Belt, 14” Deck, 26.5” Turret Face, 15” Turret Side, 23” Conning Tower
Crew: 1642
Cost: $6.25 billion, $750 million (upgrade of Mk.2 w/ CIRRUS)
Crossbolt Project is completed, and the missiles are in limited production. Currently, this is barely enough to outfit the ships being built or upgraded.
The SSGN project is completed, with the first 6 Crossbow SSGNs having been launched, and another 6 expected within 5 months.
The High-Speed submarine project has been completed, with the finished unit being designated as the Mamba SSN. Stats are as follows:
Displacement: 4900 tons
Speed: 48 knots
Crush Depth: 600m
Armament: 6x21” TT w/ 24 weapons
Crew: 59
Cost: $2 billion
The submarine has proven to be as quiet as the Moray (not Moray II) class when operating at normal speeds, which is a little better than the Virginia SSN. Sensors, though significantly degraded when making high-speed dashes, are also about equal to the Moray. Finally, though the submarine can sustain speeds of 48 knots, maintaining anything above 35 for an extended period of time is not recommended, as it runs the risk of seriously damaging the reactor and/or shaft.
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Excellent. The proposal to have us working on the modified hardpoints. We however, propose that the missiles will be either carried in hardopints on available spaces on the fuselage, or of course, the wing gloves of the swing-wing. We will also seek a way to have the missile to be put in the bomb bays, without the rotatry launchers.
Secondly, we are also interested in the new Crossbolts and the Toryu upgrades. Perhaps a deal could be made?
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Clan Smoke Jaguar
18-12-2003, 01:15
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Excellent. The proposal to have us working on the modified hardpoints. We however, propose that the missiles will be either carried in hardopints on available spaces on the fuselage, or of course, the wing gloves of the swing-wing. We will also seek a way to have the missile to be put in the bomb bays, without the rotatry launchers.
Secondly, we are also interested in the new Crossbolts and the Toryu upgrades. Perhaps a deal could be made?
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It may be possible to load a few missiles internally in a B-1, but we wouldn't advise it, and few other bombers would have anywhere near the capacity needed.
As for the Crossbolt missile, the plans will be provided as soon as it has entered full-scale production, as that is our policy. The Toryu upgrades are available, but they will be time-consuming, and considering how important the ships would be now, it might not be worth the time and effort it would take to upgrade them.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
19-12-2003, 00:15
In line with the Toryu upgrade, the other bombardment ships have been upgraded as well.
Hiragi Upgrade:
A much simpler upgrade than the Toryu. This ship loses 2 twin 5"/54 cal guns and replaces the others with 5"/62 cal, and loses the ASROC launcher, Harpoons launchers, and Tomahawk ABLs. This allows 48 VLS cells, 4 quad Shinma, and 6 twin Firebolt launchers to be added. An additional two Dragon CIWS have been added, and the AMFEL has been replaced by an AMFEL II.
New Stats:
Displacement: 21,500 tons
Speed: 33.5 knots
Armament: 9x8”/59 cal, 4xTwin 5”/62 cal, 96 Cells VLS, 16xShinma (4 quad launchers), 12xFirebolt (6 twin launchers), 2x21 round launcher (RIM-242 PDM), 4xDragon CIWS, 1xAMFEL II
Aircraft: 2xMH-60R Strikehawk, 3xUAV
Armor: 4-6” Belt, 1-4” Deck, 8” Turret Face, 4” Turret Side, 6.2” Conning Tower
Crew: 956
Cost: $1.6 billion, $200 million (upgrade of Mk.2)
Notes: 4 ships have been upgraded to this standard, and 8 are under construction (with 4 more planned)
Yubari Upgrade:
2 Twin 5" turrets, as well as the Tomahawk launchers have been removed, making way for 96 more VLS cells (litterally doubling the capacity), and 16 Crossbolt antishipping missiles. Harpoon launchers have been modified to accept the Shinma, and have been increased by 50%. Similarly, additional CIWS has been added, and both the AMFEL and CIRRUS systems have been upgraded to the new models.
New Stats:
Displacement: 48,000 tons
Speed: 36 knots
Armament: 9x12”/56 cal, 4xTwin 5”/62 cal, 192 cells VLS, 16xCrossbolt (angled VLS), 24xShinma (6 quad launchers), 6xDragon CIWS, 4x21 round box launcher (RIM-242 PDM), 1xAMFEL II
Aircraft: 4xSH-60B/F/R Seahawk, 4xUAV
Armor: 8-14” belt, 2-8” deck, 16” turret face, 7” turret side, 15” conning tower
Crew: 1368
Cost: $3.85 billion, $550 million (upgrade of Mk.2 w/ CIRRUS)
Inventory: 2 ships upgraded, 2 under construction, 2 more planned
Oyoda Upgrade:
The Oyoda, like the others, has dropped a pair of Twin 5"/62 cal guns, and has dropped Tomahawk launchers, which was combined with a more efficient rearranging of some internal and external equipment. This allowed 4 Modified MLRS systems (48 rockets ready to fire) and 32 VLS cells to be added, along with 4 quad Shinma launchers and additional CIWS. Additionally, the AEGIS has been replaced by a somewhat downgraded version of the CIRRUS meant for Destroyers, known as the NIMBUS.
Stats:
Displacement: 45,000 tons
Speed: 38 knots
Armament: 16x8”/59 cal RF (4 quad), 2xTwin 5”/62 cal, 128 cells VLS, 4xMLRS Launcher (48 ready, 336 reload rockets), 16xShinma (4 quad launchers), 6xDragon CIWS, 4x21 round box launcher (RIM-242 PDM)
Typical VLS Load: 32xNADSAM ER, 48xNADSAM MR, 32xESSM, 24xNaginata, 16xVLASROC
Aircraft: 4xMH-60R Strikehawk, 4xUAV
Armor: 5-11” belt, 1.4-7” deck, 12” turret face, 6” turret side, 10” conning tower
Crew: 1113
Cost: $3.1 billion, $400 million (upgrade of Mk.2 w/ AEGIS)
Inventory: 4 ships upgraded, none in production
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Understood, we will try to load only one missile into the internal bays, if possible. The modifications, which are released in a "package", will be consisting of: hardpoints (on wing gloves/fuselage or internal bay) & electric wirings needed for holding and recongizing the missile; software and hardware capability to employ the missile; modifications to have the internal bay ready to hold at least 1 missile.
As for the upgrades matter, we are too thinking that the Toryus are somehow too valuable to be upgraded right now. But with some Hiragis left in the naval yard, would it be possible for us to have 8 of them upgraded?
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Clan Smoke Jaguar
21-12-2003, 21:27
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Very well, we will work on producing a satisfactory missile to use the hard points. With the Crossbolt and Firebolt as a basis, this shouldn't be too difficult or time consuming.
As for the upgrade, that would indeed be fine. The facilities for upgrading the Hiragis are located at the port of Remscheid, and the upgrade will take about a month to complete. Right now, we can do four ships at a time.
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Very well, we will work on producing a satisfactory missile to use the hard points. With the Crossbolt and Firebolt as a basis, this shouldn't be too difficult or time consuming.
As for the upgrade, that would indeed be fine. The facilities for upgrading the Hiragis are located at the port of Remscheid, and the upgrade will take about a month to complete. Right now, we can do four ships at a time.
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Glad to hear. We are sure that both will get the blueprints of the missile and the modifications soon. It shouldn't be too hard if electronics from the Crossbolt or Firebolt are incorporated.
For the Hiragis, we have the 8 immediately available. They are enroute to the port from a northwestern Omzian Iansuk Island naval yard under light escort of 2 Sparrowhawk destroyers. We hope this can go into the battlefields soon.
Also, does CSJMI feel this could be the right time to outfit our 3 Yubaris and 4 of our Oyodas? If not, would it be possible to have the Mk.2 guns outfitted on them first, along with 2 of our Toryus?
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OOC: Just curious, when in RL time would the upgrades be finished?
Clan Smoke Jaguar
23-12-2003, 02:53
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If you wish to have your Yubaris and Oyodas upgraded, we can do two at a time, and the upgrade will take 2 months. We wouldn't recommend sending too many ships for upgrades in a time of war though.
OOC: The transit time is 2 NS weeks each way, plus 1-2 NS months for the upgrade, so it will be quite some time before they can get into the war. We'd be launching the counteroffensive before they even got halfway to CSJ. Actual time would depend on how fast we can get things moving, which right now is painfully slow. :(
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If you wish to have your Yubaris and Oyodas upgraded, we can do two at a time, and the upgrade will take 2 months. We wouldn't recommend sending too many ships for upgrades in a time of war though.
OOC: The transit time is 2 NS weeks each way, plus 1-2 NS months for the upgrade, so it will be quite some time before they can get into the war. We'd be launching the counteroffensive before they even got halfway to CSJ. Actual time would depend on how fast we can get things moving, which right now is painfully slow. :(
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We will have the Hiragis upgraded for now. But we still need to inquire about the total cost of the upgrade, even though it seems acceptable by us in tims of war.
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OOC: Alright, understandable.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
26-12-2003, 23:31
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The total cost of the upgrade, factoring in MFN status, which has just become official, is $1.44 billion, or $180 million per vessel.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
31-12-2003, 07:42
New Naval Weapons
Note that these are just entering initial production, and most of my ships are already gone, so only those that are still under construction or maintenance will have them, at least until the others come back. Therefore, they won't be seen for awhile.
Mk.66 12.75” (324mm) Torpedo
Weight: 350 kg (772 lbs)
Length: 2.9m
Warhead: 50 kg (110 lb), equal to 92.3 kg (203.5 lbs) TNT
Speed: 50 knots max
Range: 12 km @ 38 knots, 8 km @ 50 knots
Max Depth: 510m (1700 ft)
Guidance: Active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 1.8 km
This is a lightweight torpedo that’s designed primarily for ASROC, helicopter, and Mine delivery. It has decent performance advantages over the Mk.50, but its main value lies in the fact that this is also designed specifically to engage surface vessels as well as submarines. This allows for more versatile mines, and a far greater capacity for ASROC-type weapons to engage surface ships, though it does lack the power to do much damage to the larger destroyers and cruisers.
Cost: $3.2 million
Mk.69 21” (533.4mm) Torpedo
Weight: 1750 kg (3858.75 lbs)
Length: 6.3m
Warhead: 250 kg (551.25 lb), equal to 461.5 kg (1018 lbs) TNT
Speed: 55 knots max
Range: 25.2 km @ 55 knots, 36 km @ 40 knots
Max Depth: 600m (2000 ft)
Guidance: Wire with active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 5 km
An advanced 21” torpedo designed to be launched from larger surface ships. This will replace the extremely light Mk.46/50/54 torpedoes on these ships, and will give much greater capability against modern submarines, which are frequently strong enough to survive multiple hits from the 12.75” weapons. The torpedo is wire guided to close range before switching to its own seeker, which can reliably acquire a target within 5 km. Like modern US torpedoes, this weapon uses PBXN-103 for its explosive filler, which is almost twice as powerful as TNT.
Cost: $4 million
Mk.72 21” Torpedo
Weight: 1900 kg (4190 lbs)
Length: 6.2m
Warhead: 300 kg (661.5 lb), equal to 553.8 kg (1220 lbs) TNT
Speed: 78 knots max
Range: 23 km @ 78 knots, 54 km @ 66 knots
Guidance: Wire with active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 5 km
An advanced 21” torpedo based on the British Spearfish design. It has a phenomenally high speed and good range, making it a deadly weapon against even the fastest ships.
Cost: $4.5 million
Mk.70 25.6” (650mm) Torpedo
Weight: 4500 kg
Length: 9.2m
Warhead: 500 kg (1100 lb), equal to 923 kg (2035 lbs) TNT
Speed: 55 knots max
Range: 54 km @ 55 knots, 71 km @ 40 knots
Max Depth: 450m (1500 ft)
Guidance: Wire with inertial and active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 8 km
A very large torpedo that’s currently used exclusively by the Dolphin II class SSN. This is probably the most powerful torpedo in existence, and can cripple almost any ship with only one hit. It was designed for taking out large carriers, battleships, and cargo vessels, as well as some coastal targets that stand a good chance of surviving hits by even 21” torpedoes. In addition to the wire guidance and its own acoustic sensors, the torpedo can be programmed to head to specific coordinates and search for targets there, allowing the submarine to make use of its extreme range by firing it from beyond enemy ASW screens.
Cost: $7 million
RGM/UGM-286 NASM
Weight: 907 kg (2000 lbs)
Length: 6.4m
Warhead: 1xMk.66 ASW/ASuW torpedo, or 1xMk.46/50/54 ASW torpedo, or 1xDepth Charge
Range: 195 km
Guidance: Inertial
A new, and very welcome, replacement for the ancient ASROC, which dates back to the 1950s. The missile has exceptional range thanks to new propulsion systems and a number of other additions, and a simple inertial system has given phenomenally improved accuracy. The missile flies a ballistic profile, and range is determined by the inertial system, which releases the booster stage at a set point. A second timer drops the depth charge or torpedo (the latter being parachuted). Due to the flight profile of the missile, combined with the fact that it can drop its weapon over a dozen km from the target, it can be quite difficult to intercept, and has been shown to be potentially useful against surface ships as well as submarines.
Cost: $750,000 (not including payload)
RIM-289 Sea Snake
Weight: 300 kg
Length: 3.9m
Diameter: 0.254m
Speed: Mach 4.3
Range: 62 km
Guidance: Semi-active radar w/ IR alternate
Warhead: 42 kg (92.6 lb) blast fragmentation
A new missile to replace the RIM-162 ESSM as the primary short/medium range SAM for naval vessels. The missile is similar to the ESSM, but slightly larger, and it has a backup IR seeker for dealing with missiles like the Moskit, Yakhont, and Granit. The missile, like the ESSM, uses thrust vectoring and has strakes instead of fins. New advances in thrust vectoring and aerodynamics have, however, allowed for increased performance, and the missile can achieve 60G maneuvers. It also boasts good ECCM capability, significantly reducing vulnerability to countermeasures. The missile can be fired from modified Mk.41 VLS cells, with 4 missiles per cell, and can also be launched from Mk.48 VLS and Mk.29 GMLS with modification.
Cost: $800,000
UGM-212 Thunderbolt
Length: 9.2m (w/ booster)
Diameter: .6m
Wingspan: 1.3m
Speed: Mach 2.33 (2850 km/h) at 20m flight altitude, Mach 3.2 (3400 km/h) at high altitude
Range: 252 km (high-low flight profile), 96 km (low flight profile only)
Cruise Altitude: 20m sea-skimming
Altitude at terminal phase: 5m
Guidance: Inertial w/ active radar terminal
Warhead: 120 kg HE
Cost: $1.6 million
A submarine-launched version of the Thunderbolt missile, which can only be fired from 26" or larger torpedo tubes, limiting its use to the Dolphin II class submarines. The booster, which is necessary to allow underwater launching, has the added effect of providing significantly increased range for the missile, allowing it to reach almost 100 km at sea-skimming altitudes.
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The money for the Hiragis will be wired in 3 portions, with each portion being wired per 2 days.
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Clan Smoke Jaguar
20-01-2004, 08:04
UPDATE
The CGN project has now been expanded to include new-design cruisers in both nuclear and conventional propusion variants. The conventional unit is being named the Fenrir, an exceptionally fitting name considering its capabilities, and the nuclear variant is being designated as Locke. The first units of both types are already under construction:
Fenrir Class CG
Displacement: 22,186 tons
Length: 252m
Beam: 25.6m
Draft: 10m
Speed: 36 knots
Range: 15,000 nm (27,760 km) @ 24 knots
Endurance: 6 months
Armament: 1x6.1” AGS, 256xVLS cell, 3xPDM launcher, 2xDragon CIWS, 4xTwin 21” SVTT, 1xAMFEL II
Ammunition: 750x6.1”, 16x21” torpedo
Aircraft: 2xEH-101 or 3xSH-60
Armor: 5” belt, 2” deck, 3.2” conning tower
Crew: 391
Cost: $2.3 billion
The new unit incorporates the upgraded CIRRUS system, a larger weapons load, and significantly improved protection and survivability compared to previous units. Of considerable note is the inclusion of 4 twin 21" torpedo tubes, now replacing the older triple 12.75" launchers. This gives the ship a much longer ranged and more powerful torpedo, dramatically improving ASW performance. It also has a larger hangar and helicopter pad compared to the Carrack, and is designed to accommodate a pair of EH-101 Merlin helicopters, though it can also substitute a trio of SH-60s for them. As with the Carrack, a block of 64 VLS cells can be dropped to add a 16 cell Crossbolt, 24 cell Firebolt, or 36 cell Thunderbolt launcher.
Locke Class CGN
Displacement: 22,398 tons
Length: 252m
Beam: 25.6m
Draft: 10m
Speed: 36 knots
Range: 15,000 nm (27,760 km) @ 33 knots
Endurance: 6 months
Armament: 1x6.1” AGS, 256xVLS cell, 4xPDM launcher, 2xDragon CIWS, 4xTwin 21” SVTT, 1xAMFEL II
Ammunition: 750x6.1”, 16x21” torpedo
Aircraft: 2xEH-101 or 3xSH-60
Armor: 5” belt, 3” deck, 4.2” conning tower
Crew: 391
Cost: $2.8 billion
There is little difference between this unit and the Fenrir, other than the inclusion of a nuclear reactor which improves its endurance and sustained speed.
Cardinal Class DDG
Displacement: 12,204 tons
Speed: 37 knots
Length: 176.4m
Beam: 20m
Draft: 8.2m
Range: 13,000 nm (24,060 km) @ 25 knots
Endurance: 6 months
Armament: 1x5”/62 cal, 192xVLS cell, 2xPDM launcher, 3xDragon CIWS, 4xTwin 21” SVTT, 1xAMFEL II
Ammunition: 750x6.1”, 16x21” torpedo
Aircraft: 2xEH-101 or 3xSH-60
Armor: 3” belt, 2.2” deck, 2.1” conning tower
Crew: 198
Cost: $1.6 billion
A similar unit to the Sparrowhawk, which is an offshoot of the CGN program, but with improved protection, sensors, and armament.
Albatross Class DDGN
Displacement: 12,204 tons
Speed: 37 knots
Length: 176.4m
Beam: 20m
Draft: 8.2m
Range: 13,000 nm (24,060 km) @ 34 knots
Endurance: 6 months
Armament: 1x5”/62 cal, 192xVLS cell, 2xPDM launcher, 2xDragon CIWS, 4xTwin 21” SVTT, 1xAMFEL II
Ammunition: 750x6.1”, 16x21” torpedo
Aircraft: 2xEH-101 or 3xSH-60
Armor: 3” belt, 2.2” deck, 2.1” conning tower
Crew: 198
Cost: $2 billion
A nuclear powered version of the Crdinal destroyer for augmenting the larger cruisers in the carrier escort role.
Heavy Tactical Fighter Project
Project Goal: To provide a large, conventional multirole fighter to augment the stealth planes currently in service. Speed, maneuverability and payload will be given higher priority than stealth features.
Competitors: Currently, there are two prototypes, the YF-25 and YF-26, competing for the production contract:
YF-25 Koubu
Maximum Weight: 34,000 kg
Length: 22.9m
Wingspan: 16.8m
Speed: Mach 2.59 (2755 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.26 (1545 km/h) at sea level
Range: 4200 km
Armament: 1x20mm cannon, 14xHard point for 8800 kg
YF-26 Shuriken
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 36,000 kg
Length: 23.55m
Wingspan: 31.87m
Speed: Mach 2.35 (2500 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.14 (1400 km/h) at sea level
Range: 5000 km
Armament: 1x20mm cannon, 15xHard point for 10,000 kg
Currently, the Shuiken is the favored unit. Though slower, it has greater payload and range, and is supposedly slightly more agile. Though there are no official statements as of yet, both aircraft are purportedly rated for over 9g, and both units feature FSW design, 3D thrust vectoring, and a number of other agility-enhancing design features. They also have a camera to back up the radar sensors, which allows visual identification of enemy fighters out to 50 km, and provides a BVR capability even in dense ECM environments. Stealth features are limited, but the more conventional design allows for a greater number and variety of weapons to be deployed.
Light Tactical Fighter Project
Project Goal: To provide a small, conventional multirole fighter to augment the stealth planes currently in service. Speed, maneuverability and payload will be given higher priority than stealth features.
Competitors: Currently, there are two prototypes, the YF-27 and YF-28, competing for the production contract:
YF-27 Wirbelwind
Maximum Weight: 20,000 kg
Length: 15.28m
Wingspan: 9.11m
Speed: Mach 2.35 (2500 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.14 (1400 km/h) at sea level
Range: 4800 km
Armament: 1x20mm cannon, 11xHard point for 7000 kg
YF-28 Ostwind
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 22,000 kg
Length: 16.1m
Wingspan: 9.25m
Speed: Mach 2.12 (2255 km/h) at altitude, Mach 1.03 (1260 km/h) at sea level
Range: 5400 km
Armament: 1x20mm cannon, 12xHard point for 7,500 kg
Right now, there is no clear winner in the competition, but both aircraft have many of the same features as their heavier cousins. As one might expect, this is tied into the Heavy Tactical Fighter Project.
The Air Launched version of the Crossbolt, under joint development with Omz222, is just entering the test phase. Reported stats are as follows:
AGM-286 Lightning Bolt
Weight: 6000 kg
Length: 10.4m
Diameter: .9m
Wingspan: 1.9m
Speed: Mach 3.12 (3325 km/h) at high altitude, Mach 1.77 (2170 km/h) at sea level, Mach 2.45 (3000 km/h) terminal.
Range: 450 km (high-low), 180 km (low only)
Cruise Altitude: 20m sea-skimming
Altitude at terminal phase: 7m
Guidance: Inertial w/ 2 way data link and Active Radar terminal and Passive Radar backup.
Warhead: 635 kg (1400 lb) penetrating HE
Launch Platforms: B-52H (2), B-52J (4), MB-52I (1), MB-52K (2-4), B-1B/C (2-3), B-1D (6), P-7A (2)
The missile is very heavy, so only the largest aircraft can carry it. The MB-52K and P-7A can carry the missile, as well as the B-52H, MB-52I, and B-1B with modifications. Two specialized upgrades, tentatively dubbed the B-52J and B-1D, will be the primary launch platforms.
Tag (looks very impressive, IC response later.)
The proposed joint development for the AGM-286 under Omzian production lines is going very well. Tests on the B-52J and B-1D Missile Platforms has been going very well, as the load for these missiles on older bombers is quite reasonable. It is also believed that the OMASC Future Missile Platform Bomber Project (MPNP) may incorporate these missiles as the standard anti-shipping missile.
The Omzian Navy is also very interested in the conventional versions of the CGs and DDGs, but has little interest in the nuclear versions as the primary cruisers, since they are harder to maintain, cause enviromental concerns, and the Omzian Navy is only considering "intercontinental navy deployment" a secondary role. The new destroyers and cruisers, once bought available for export, will be replacing our battle-lost Sparrowhawks and Carracks immediately.
The Omzian Air Force is highly interested in the Light Tactical Fighter Project, with the YF-28 more attracting our interest due to our mission requirements. If possible, we would like to put a sum of money into the development of the LTF project.
As Omzian Air Force has smaller interest in FSW design fighters than other Air Forces, noneintheless we are interested in the YF-26. But we must suggest, if the YF-26 is going to replace the F-15Es, it should have 2 crews to reduce the workload, and to integrate more advanced EO systems that one can operate without worrying about piloting the aircraft (e.g. inproved LANTIRN).
Ferrussia
23-01-2004, 08:28
Ferrussia anxiously awaits the opening of the package storefront(s) and would like to express how extremely impressed we are with the new and upgraded systems offered currently. We are planning on sweeping reforms and refits throughout the armed forces, and CSJMI will be our primary if not sole source of arms. However, bureaucratic tie-ups (OOC: busy IRL) will continue to prevent us from beginning the program until sometime next year (RL week).
Along these lines, we have a proposal to make with CSJMI, which we hope will be encouraged by the soon-to-be-signed Tri-State Alliance. It's rough text goes as follows, but we welcome CSJMI to make any changes or suggestions they have.
Contract Proposal to CSJMI
The People’s Republic of Ferrussia
Noting that the Ferrussian military uses more and more quantities of CSJMI-made military arms, and given that these arms require ammunition, maintenance, and replacement, the People’s Republic of Ferrussia would like to propose a long-term contract with Clan Smoke Jaguar Military Industries. Under this contract:
- The People’s Republic of Ferrussia will pay for and build several large arms-manufacturing factories throughout Ferrussia, with the help of paid CSJMI experts.
- These factories will be owned and operated by the Ferrussian government.
- CSJMI will provide Ferrussia with the plans and production rights to most or all of its ammunitions, ordinance, and components, and allow Ferrussia to build said products for its own military purposes, but not for resale to a third party.
- The Ferrussian factories, when they can, will produce extra ammunition, ordinance, and components beyond what is needed and/or requested by the Ferrussian military, and make these products available to CSJMI for use, resale, etc. for a price not to exceed 10% more than the production cost of the item.
Through this agreement, it is hoped that Ferrussia can provide for her own ammunition, ordinance, and components while at the same time providing a profitable measure for CSJMI to produce larger quantities of said armaments without having to pay for additional expansion itself. Such a contract could also be set up regarding actual weapons, vessels, and other armaments, but will not be proposed unless suggested/requested by CSJMI.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
08-02-2004, 10:04
After a great deal of consideration, CSJMI has accepted the Ferrussian proposal. While we can discuss the finer details, especially on some of the more advanced systems, engineers are underway to assist with the construction of the manufacturing facilities.
There is currently a project to provide an extremely heavy combat/command vessel to serve as an armored flagship for combat units. Construction of the first vessel, slated to displace some 120,000 tons, has begun. At present, it is planned for no more than 4 examples to be built. This includes two for the Smoke Jaguar navy, and a further two to be optionally purchased by the Ferrussian and/or Omzian navies. Due to the nature of this vessel, several variations will be offered. Proposed stats are as follows:
Cetus Class Battleship (Flight IA/B)
Displacement: 118,780 tons
Speed: 24 knots
Armament: 9x18”/54 cal (or 12x16”/58 cal), 2x6.1” AGS, 4xTwin 5”/62 cal, 352 cells VLS, 32xShinma (8 quad launchers), 48xCrossbolt (angled VLS), 72xFirebolt (48 angled VLS, 12 twin launchers), 2xAMFEL II, 8x21 round box launcher (RIM-242 PDM), 8xDragon CIWS, 8x25mm Bushmaster, 20x12.7mm
Ammunition: 1080x18” (or 1560x16”), 1500x6.1”, 5400x5”
Typical VLS Load: 108xNADSAM ER, 96xNADSAM MR, 80xESSM, 96xNAGINATA/TACMS, 32xNASM
Aircraft: 8xMH-60R Strikehawk, 6xUAV
Armor: 14-22.5” belt, 14” deck, 25” turret face, 15.5” turret side, 23.5” conning tower
Immunity Zone: 11-36 km for US 16”/50 cal, 8.2-38 km for Jap 18.1”/45 cal
US 16”/50 needs 26.5 km for min belt, 11 km for max belt, 36+ km for deck, 7.2 km for turret face, 24 km for turret side, 9 km for conning tower
Jap 18.1”/45 needs 25 km for min belt, 8.2 km for max belt, 38+ km for deck, 5.4 km for turret face, 22 km for turret side, 7.2 km for conning tower
Crew: 2013
Cetus Class Battleship (Flight IIA/B/C)
Displacement: 118,780 tons
Speed: 24 knots
Armament: 6x18”/54 cal (or 9x16”/58 cal, 12x14”/54 cal), 4x6.1” AGS, 4xTwin 5”/62 cal, 448 cells VLS, 64xShinma (16 quad launchers), 48xCrossbolt (angled VLS), 80xFirebolt (48 angled VLS, 16 twin launchers), 2xAMFEL II, 8x21 round box launcher (RIM-242 PDM), 8xDragon CIWS, 8x25mm Bushmaster, 20x12.7mm
Ammunition: 900x18” (or 1278x16”, 1920x14”), 3000x6.1”, 5400x5”
Typical VLS Load: 144xNADSAM ER, 108xNADSAM MR, 96xESSM, 136xNAGINATA/TACMS, 36xNASM
Aircraft: 8xMH-60R Strikehawk, 8xUAV
Armor: 14-22.5” belt, 14” deck, 25” turret face, 15.5” turret side, 23.5” conning tower
Crew: 2013
The CSJ navy is reportedly procuring one each of flight IA and IB, at an estimated cost of $8-10 billion each
The stats for the upgraded aircraft launch platforms for the Lightning Bolt antishipping missile are now available.
B-52J Excalibur
Crew: 6
Combat Weight: 230,000 kg
Speed: Mach .86 (915 km/h)
Range: 20,000 km
Armament: up to 40,000 kg of disposable stores in internal bomb bay and 4xHard point
Load: 4xLightning Bolt, 10xFirebolt, 18xThunderbolt, or 36xShinma B
Cost: $81 million
B-1D Archer
Crew: 4
Combat Weight: 240,000 kg
Speed: Mach 1.5 (1600 km/h)
Range: 13,000 km
Armament: up to 36,000 kg on 4 fuselage launch stations & 27,000 kg in 3 internal bomb bays
Load: 6xLightning Bolt & 12xShinma B, 14xFirebolt & 12xShinma B, 24xThunderbolt & 12xShinma B, 60xShinma B, or 48xNaginata
Cost: $250 million
Both aircraft can carry a much wider variety of weapons than listed, including torpedoes, depth charges, and both Soviet bloc and western cruise and antishipping missiles. However, the weapons listed are the primary ones. Omzian and Ferrussian orders are uncertain at this time, but it is believed that the Smoke Jaguar navy intends to procure several hundred of these aircraft, along with some MB-52Ks and tankers, to form an intercontinental maritime interdiction force.
Competition between the YF-27 and YF-28 light fighter prototypes has heated up. Currently, the YF-27 Wirbelwind is the favored unit, as it has displayed slightly superior agility and durability compared to its counterpart, which was deemed more valuable than the improved range and payload of the YF-28. However, as certain parties have expressed an interest in the YF-28, there is still the possibility of it entering production for export.
For the heavy fighter project, the YF-26 Shuriken has finally been chosen as the winner, and it has been officially stated that there will be both single (F-26A) and two-seat (F-26B) versions for various roles. It has also been noted that this may form the basis for a more powerful EW unit to complement or possibly even replace the EF-35A.
Ferrussia
09-02-2004, 19:49
After a great deal of consideration, CSJMI has accepted the Ferrussian proposal. While we can discuss the finer details, especially on some of the more advanced systems, engineers are underway to assist with the construction of the manufacturing facilities.
We are quite elated to have your approval, and we will be providing all the necessary visas and paperwork for the engineers to the CSJ Embassy in Kiev. It is recommended that they split up into 3 groups for seperate construction in Kiev, Kharkiv, and Sevastopol. These will be the primary construction projects, and construction subcontractees have already been dispatched to the respective construction sites.
We are quite welcome to further discussion of which systems would be allowed for contstruction, and whether any literal systems (tanks, vehicles and the like) would be allowed, or only subcomponents and/or munitions.
We estimate it will take approximately 2 years to get the primary facilities ready for production, but given the fact that we know little of the complexity or simplicity of the facilities required for production, you may have a better guess on this than we do.
Your assistance in this proposal is greatly appreciated, and we hope that this can be a mutually beneficial undertaking in many ways.
*****
On a side note, a planning meeting for the military bases is scheduled for directly after the signing of the Tri-State Alliance. If this is a good time for you, please let us know, and inform us as to whether or not you will have military advisers present. If this doesn't work for you, please inform us of a time that would be better suited to your leader's doubtlessly busy schedule. Thank you.
Durtistan
12-02-2004, 17:31
Recent research in Durtistan, completed by Aiglos Systems, has resulted in a number of applications and systems which Durtistan industry and geovernment are not equipped to explot or produce.
Some of these systems are detailed below:
1: Sonar and command/control systems.
The Aiglos 7 Series sonar consists of 14,000 hyrdophones, mounted in the usual Bow/Flank/Towed Array configuration. However, the 7 Series is unusally sensitive. In tests, the system outperformed all expectations. One researcher said "If this were a land based sensor system it would be able to track a truck at a distance of 120 miles."
We recommend placing this system, which has had some success in defeating standard noise reduction systems in submarines, on SSNs. A design for a submarine dedicated around this sensor system follows:
Astute Class.
Displacement: 7,800 tonnes dived
Length: 97m
Beam: 11.5m
Draught: 10.5m
Complement: 100
Armament: 6 tubes capable of firing
Spearfish torpedoes
Harpoon missiles
Tomahawk missles
Sensors:
Sonar, in bow, flank and towed array configuration
Attack and Search periscopes
Collision avoidance radar
Electronic warfare systems
Noise reduction coating
drive noise reduction systems.
Image:
Astute Class Submarine stalking a target (http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/data/gallery/medium/999792523m.jpg)
2: Durtistan's recent researches into orbital weapons have produced that result that satellite death-rays are probably beyond us. For the moment. However, some results from the ASAT program have been interesting. We have a number of satellite and anti-satellite systems to discuss, should you be interested.
We have ASAT missles, military satellites and satellite based armor suppression systems on the drawing board, with software issues already addressed and solved (Aiglos does some very nice image recognition routines that mean at least one system is able to identify and paint it's own targets). What we need is a partner to share development and bring-to-market costs, because we lack the industrial base to produce these things ourselves.
United Elias
12-02-2004, 17:45
New Naval Weapons
Mk.66 12.75” (324mm) Torpedo
Weight: 350 kg (772 lbs)
Length: 2.9m
Warhead: 50 kg (110 lb), equal to 92.3 kg (203.5 lbs) TNT
Speed: 50 knots max
Range: 12 km @ 38 knots, 8 km @ 50 knots
Max Depth: 510m (1700 ft)
Guidance: Active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 1.8 km
This is a lightweight torpedo that’s designed primarily for ASROC and Mine delivery. It has modest performance advantages over the Mk.50, but its main value lies in the fact that this is designed to also be capable of engaging surface vessels, as well as submarines. This allows for more versatile mines, and a previously unheard of possibility of ASROC-type weapons engaging surface ships, though it does lack the power to do much damage to the larger destroyers and cruisers.
Cost: $3.2 million
Mk.72 21” Torpedo
Weight: 1900 kg (4190 lbs)
Length: 6.2m
Warhead: 300 kg (661.5 lb), equal to 553.8 kg (1220 lbs) TNT
Speed: 78 knots max
Range: 23 km @ 78 knots, 54 km @ 66 knots
Guidance: Wire with active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 5 km
An advanced 21” torpedo based on the British Spearfish design. It has a phenomenally high speed and good range, making it a deadly weapon against even the fastest ships.
Cost: $4.5 million
The Navy Department of Research and Engineering (DNRE) has taken an interest in both the Mk72 and Mk66 torpedoes and on behalf of them, we would like to pose several questions. Firstly are the above designs available for export? If so, what are the diameters of the weapons, our surface ships and submarines are equipped with 533mm tubes and some submarines with 650mm tubes. As for ASROC we use systems such as the Russian MLRM which utlises 533mm launchers.
Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg
Omzian Navy News
The Omzian Navy, being contacted by CSJMI regarding the Cetus units, has no current plan or desire to acquire the said vessels, as the 6 Toryu BB in service has all fitted for flagship duties for the Omzian Pacific and Southern Fleets forces, and as another Junyo BB entered service as flagship for the smaller Southeast Fleet. Also due to the high costs and the fact that the ship's major duty is only armed command of combat units, a proposal by the Central Military Administration to consider the ship has not been passed.
Additionally, informed of the existance of an A-6 upgrade within CSJMI, Omzian Navy has expressed an interest in evaluation and testing of the aircraft once it comes out, although the A-6Gs already serve well as heavy strike bombers within some Omzian Carrier Air Wings. The Omzian Navy has no intention to scrap the F/A-18 series once again despite that new A-6 upgrades has come into existance, and the continued shorter range, fuel, and weapons capacity. The Omzian Navy also has no intention to enter the F-35 nor the A-12C in service, although EW variants of the F-35 has entered service in the Navy and Air Force, and that the A-12C already entered service in Omzian Air Force.
Omzian Air Force Announcement
The Omzian Navy Air Force (NavLandAir), now integrated as Omzian Air Force Maritime Forces (MarineAir), is satisfied that the Lightening Bolt project has came into a successful close along with the development of 2 new maritime bombers. Through the state corporation OMASC, 40 B-52H serving as both ground attack and maritime attack bombers (formly in NavLandAir) will be converted into the J variant, with 12 others being built. 5 B-1Bs, formly serving in ground attack roles to complement with ground attack B-1Cs, will also be converted to the D standard along with 9 others being built. Despite some Military Administration member's objections mainly due to maintance, cost, and short airframe life, the converstion for the B-1Bs has already started.
Additionally, the Omzian Air Force is still interested in the F-28 due to its larger load and range (for strike), as Omzian Air Force primarily uses multirole aircraft as a strike force. The Omzian Air Force also has no interest in the F-26 nor the EF-26, since Omzian Air Force strongly rejects FSW designs (maintance and reliability), and that EF-35 already met the Omzian Air Force needs.
Update: Due to new arrangments and organization, another 30 B-52J will be built, along with 57 B-1D.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
17-02-2004, 05:59
Recent research in Durtistan, completed by Aiglos Systems, has resulted in a number of applications and systems which Durtistan industry and geovernment are not equipped to explot or produce.
Some of these systems are detailed below:
1: Sonar and command/control systems.
The Aiglos 7 Series sonar consists of 14,000 hyrdophones, mounted in the usual Bow/Flank/Towed Array configuration. However, the 7 Series is unusally sensitive. In tests, the system outperformed all expectations. One researcher said "If this were a land based sensor system it would be able to track a truck at a distance of 120 miles."
We recommend placing this system, which has had some success in defeating standard noise reduction systems in submarines, on SSNs. A design for a submarine dedicated around this sensor system follows:
Astute Class.
Displacement: 7,800 tonnes dived
Length: 97m
Beam: 11.5m
Draught: 10.5m
Complement: 100
Armament: 6 tubes capable of firing
Spearfish torpedoes
Harpoon missiles
Tomahawk missles
Sensors:
Sonar, in bow, flank and towed array configuration
Attack and Search periscopes
Collision avoidance radar
Electronic warfare systems
Noise reduction coating
drive noise reduction systems.
Image:
Astute Class Submarine stalking a target (http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/data/gallery/medium/999792523m.jpg)
2: Durtistan's recent researches into orbital weapons have produced that result that satellite death-rays are probably beyond us. For the moment. However, some results from the ASAT program have been interesting. We have a number of satellite and anti-satellite systems to discuss, should you be interested.
We have ASAT missles, military satellites and satellite based armor suppression systems on the drawing board, with software issues already addressed and solved (Aiglos does some very nice image recognition routines that mean at least one system is able to identify and paint it's own targets). What we need is a partner to share development and bring-to-market costs, because we lack the industrial base to produce these things ourselves.
We could certainly review your technologies and help apply and produce. Naturally, anything incorporating them that we design will be made available to you at a discounted price. We are definately interested in the sonar, though we'd naturally like to see a working model for testing purposes. The satellite and antisatellite systems are a little less desirable, as we have a wide range of both, and our current capabilities are actually quite high. Still, if you wish to see how yours stack up, we can put them through some tests, and will gladly invest in your systems if they prove superior.
New Naval Weapons
Mk.66 12.75” (324mm) Torpedo
Weight: 350 kg (772 lbs)
Length: 2.9m
Warhead: 50 kg (110 lb), equal to 92.3 kg (203.5 lbs) TNT
Speed: 50 knots max
Range: 12 km @ 38 knots, 8 km @ 50 knots
Max Depth: 510m (1700 ft)
Guidance: Active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 1.8 km
This is a lightweight torpedo that’s designed primarily for ASROC and Mine delivery. It has modest performance advantages over the Mk.50, but its main value lies in the fact that this is designed to also be capable of engaging surface vessels, as well as submarines. This allows for more versatile mines, and a previously unheard of possibility of ASROC-type weapons engaging surface ships, though it does lack the power to do much damage to the larger destroyers and cruisers.
Cost: $3.2 million
Mk.72 21” Torpedo
Weight: 1900 kg (4190 lbs)
Length: 6.2m
Warhead: 300 kg (661.5 lb), equal to 553.8 kg (1220 lbs) TNT
Speed: 78 knots max
Range: 23 km @ 78 knots, 54 km @ 66 knots
Guidance: Wire with active/passive acoustic
Detection Range: 5 km
An advanced 21” torpedo based on the British Spearfish design. It has a phenomenally high speed and good range, making it a deadly weapon against even the fastest ships.
Cost: $4.5 million
The Navy Department of Research and Engineering (DNRE) has taken an interest in both the Mk72 and Mk66 torpedoes and on behalf of them, we would like to pose several questions. Firstly are the above designs available for export? If so, what are the diameters of the weapons, our surface ships and submarines are equipped with 533mm tubes and some submarines with 650mm tubes. As for ASROC we use systems such as the Russian MLRM which utlises 533mm launchers.
Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/united_elias.jpg
The systems are not available for general export, but could be made so as part of a technology trade or other deal. The diameter of the weapons should be evident in the designation.
OOC: 1" = 25.4mm. So 21" is 533.4mm (standard sub torpedo), 12.75" is 323.85mm, and 25.6" is 650.24mm. As is hardly uncommon, the official measurments are usually rounded to 533mm, 324mm, and 650mm.
A 21" ASROC carries a 12.75" torpedo.
Durtistan
18-02-2004, 20:34
So you want a closer look at the sonar, eh?
Not a problem. We used the PNV Vigilance for the initial tests. We'll send her over. (It's a demilitarised SSN based on a Trafalgar hull).
You should be aware that a certain amount of the accuracy and sensitivity of the sonar system comes from the software. Some rather innovative tricks were used to properly exploit the new hardware. We think you'll be impressed.
We'll sideline the ASAT systems for now. Some of them need a little further work.
---Transmission to CSJMI---
From: OHDF Air Force Weapons Labs & OMASC Representive Board
Subject: THUNDERBOLT Missile Derivative
As the Lightening Bolt project is a success, OHDF Air Force Weapons Labs now proposes another project based on the existing Thunderbolt missile (which holds excellent combat records as of late), similar to the Indo-Russian Brahmos (derivative of Yakhont) in concept. This new missile will be developed into 2 separate variants: anti-ship attack and land attack. It will be able to be launched via air, sea, and land, and have various stealth and missile defence avoidance features. Along with this, necessary submarine-based launch canisters and systems, plus a land-based self-propelled launcher will also be produced. If possible, the land attack version may also has a passive radar seeker (to defeat large surface-to-air site platforms) or EO seeker, offering a high-performance, supersonic alternative for the SLAM-ER.
We would be glad if CSJMI shows interest. If not however, we may as well develop them ourselves, and promote it for the CSJ Armed Forces.
---End---
tag (interest and drool factor!) :P :shock: :P
OOC: A bump for CSJ to respond to my proposal.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
02-03-2004, 09:59
---Transmission to CSJMI---
From: OHDF Air Force Weapons Labs & OMASC Representive Board
Subject: THUNDERBOLT Missile Derivative
As the Lightening Bolt project is a success, OHDF Air Force Weapons Labs now proposes another project based on the existing Thunderbolt missile (which holds excellent combat records as of late), similar to the Indo-Russian Brahmos (derivative of Yakhont) in concept. This new missile will be developed into 2 separate variants: anti-ship attack and land attack. It will be able to be launched via air, sea, and land, and have various stealth and missile defence avoidance features. Along with this, necessary submarine-based launch canisters and systems, plus a land-based self-propelled launcher will also be produced. If possible, the land attack version may also has a passive radar seeker (to defeat large surface-to-air site platforms) or EO seeker, offering a high-performance, supersonic alternative for the SLAM-ER.
We would be glad if CSJMI shows interest. If not however, we may as well develop them ourselves, and promote it for the CSJ Armed Forces.
---End---
We do believe that this could be the basis for a good project, and would be happy to work on it. However, there are a few things that should be noted:
1) A stealthy version of the missile is not a good idea. No matter what is done, it will have a very detectable IR signature due to the propulsion method. Stealth features will also force the speed to be reduced considerably, as they're not as aerodynamic.
2) Avoidance features are limited to armor and ECM, with the possible inclusion of chaff/flares/decoys, though the latter is going to cut into the payload significantly if it's used.
3) Precision strikes like the SLAM's will not work with this design, as it lacks the agility to make the necessary maneuvers. The SLAM's accuracy is due in no small part to its lower speed. Therefore, we would not consider this as an alternative unit, but possibly a complementary one where accuracy isn't as much of an issue.
Outside of these notes, we see this as a very desireable project and will be happy to work with it.
We are glad that CSJMI has responded and showed interest. However, there are some things we should mention:
1) The derivative missile's stealthy features will not feature a completely redesigned airframe and engine, but RAM coatings and various "barriers" to minimalize radar signatures. While this may increase the production cost, this will also hopefully increase the missile's survivability in a high-threat environment.
2) As armor can be an alternative to avoidance features in the anti-ship role, we do not have any plan to add an extensive avoidance method onto the anti-ship version, although the missile should be able to perform small maneuvers to shrug off CIWS guns at a very high speed. The land version however, will have am ore extensive suite of countermeasures. With that, planned ECM countermeasures will be primarily centered around a small radar jammer, similar to those on the SS-21 and SS-23. The land version will mostly likely feature a small, specialized jammer for jamming popular Patriot PAC-1/2/3 systems, and the anti-ship version will most likely feature one for jamming the also popular Aegis radar systems.
3) As this has been pointed out, this feature is of course, emitted. But our goal is to provide an accuracy that is comparable to the Tomahawk's with GPS aided guidance, and the land attack version will most likely feature an improved TERCOM, plus inertial guidance with GPS/equivalent links.
Additionally, if possible, we'd also like to propose an anti-radiation version of this missile (which will target both naval and land radars), for destroying large radar defence sites such as a Patriot PAC-2 battery, or an Aegis system.
With that, regarding the launch platforms, we feel that it is necessary that all ships, submarines, and aircraft capable of firing the standard Thunderbolt will be able to fire both the land attack and anti-ship variants (plus the anti-radiation version from aircraft if needed) of the derivative. For the land-based launch platform, we feel that the M53 and M56 series of TELs will be good bases to work with, although we are much interested in a more smaller and mobile one. The ground-basedl auncher should have appropriate communications and datalink equipment to receive targeting information.
OOC: Another bump. My desire is much to get this going and have this available at the end of the war, if possible -- deployed in small-medium numbers in units in both nations' navies and air forces.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
13-03-2004, 13:17
Clan Smoke Jaguar
13-03-2004, 13:22
Clan Smoke Jaguar
13-03-2004, 13:24
In cooperation with Omzian designers, a new upgraded version of the Thunderbolt, dubbed the YGM-324, is under development. The missile, a multi-use derivative that can be fired at both air and sea targets, and launched from air, ship (including submarine), and ground-based launchers, is considered "extremely capable."
Current sources indicate that the missile has improved stealth features and greatly improved agility over the older Thunderbolt, and is still well armored against lighter CIWS systems. It has also been stated that the air launched version will be slightly different, with reduced size and weight, but a larger warhead.
As with the Thunderbolt, there will be two available trajectories. A high-low path will have the missile launched to high altitude, where it will cruise before diving down to 15m for the final phase, striking at an altitude of 5-15m. The missile can also be launched with the entire flight occurring at an altitude of 15m, though range is reduced to only 120 km.
One of the most notable improvements over the Thunderbolt is a 66% larger warhead, making this a truly effective weapon against even larger escorts, whereas the Thunderbolt was primarily for engaging frigates, corvettes, and missile boats. It is believed that only 1-3 hits would be needed to cripple a 10,000 ton cruiser or destroyer.
As of yet, there is not an official designation for the weapon, but one developer, a former A-10 pilot, has suggested that they just go with Thunderbolt II.
Finally, it should be noted that this missile is not going to completely replace the Thunderbolt, as that unit is still a more cost-effective weapon against smaller surface ships.
Anticipated specifications are as follows:
Designation: RGM/UGM/BGM-324A (Thunderbolt II?)
Length: 8.2m (8.9m container)
Diameter: 0.67m (0.7m container)
Launch Weight: 3000 kg
Weight w/ Container: 3900 kg
Speed: Mach 2.8 (3435 km/h 954 m/s)
Range: 300 km (high-low), 120 km (low only)
Altitude: 15m cruising (low altitude), 5m terminal
Guidance: Inertial w/ GPS and data link, and active or passive radar terminal (options for IIR or EO)
Maximum Seeker Search Angle: +/- 40 degrees
Warhead: 200 kg penetrating HE
Launch Method: angled launcher or VLS (15 - 90 degrees)
Notes: The basic version of the missile. It will be fired from existing Thunderbolt launchers, including the 4-round TEL already in CSJ service. Additionally, there will be a lighter, more mobile TEL with a single missile available.
Expected Unit Cost: $2 million
Designation: AGM-234B
Length: 6.9m
Diameter: 0.6m
Launch Weight: 2000 kg
Speed: Mach 2.8 (3435 km/h 954 m/s)
Range: 280 km (high-low), 120 km (low only)
Altitude: 15m cruising (low altitude), 5m terminal
Guidance: Inertial w/ GPS and data link, and active or passive radar terminal (options for IIR or EO)
Maximum Seeker Search Angle: +/- 40 degrees
Warhead: 300 kg penetrating HE
Launch Method: Heavy aircraft
Expected Unit Cost: $1.8 million
Designation: UGM-234C
Length: 6.9m (7.5m in canister)
Diameter: 0.6m (0.65m in canister)
Launch Weight: 2700 kg (including canister)
Speed: Mach 2.8 (3435 km/h 954 m/s)
Range: 300 km (high-low), 120 km (low only)
Altitude: 15m cruising (low altitude), 5m terminal
Guidance: Inertial w/ GPS and data link, and active or passive radar terminal (options for IIR or EO)
Maximum Seeker Search Angle: +/- 40 degrees
Warhead: 200 kg penetrating HE
Launch Method: Heavy aircraft
Notes: This is a version adapted to be fired from 25.6" and 26" torpedo tubes such as those on the Dolphin and Sea Wolf submarines, as well as most Soviet attack subs.
Expected Unit Cost: $2 million
Thunderbolt Derivative Project Completed and Named
KANZE -- The Omzian design team, a group of designers from the conglomerate of OMASC contractors, plus Honjaks Electrics, Omzian National Rocket Research Academy, Omzian Air Force Weapons Labs, Omzian Navy Weapons Labs, Omzian Army Weapons Research Office, and Yankarons Corporation (provider of software systems), has finally announced its proposal for a name for the missile: Bankarit, which stands for "Lightning Storm" or "Thunder Storm" in Omzian.
"It is sometimes ironic that the naming of military products takes a lot of time," said Bonkan Yankze, one of the lead project director at the Omzian side. "We decided to go with something more fancy and Omzian-originated, as we just felt the CSJMI's Thunderbolt II shouldb e reserved for later use."
"Overall, this project is an immerse success. OMASC is expected to market this missile for export to some nations. Now the protental adversaries have a new high-performace weapons systems to fear," he also said. "This missile also surpasses both the [PJ-10] Brahmos and [P-100] Yakhont and may even complete with the existing Firebolt missiles within the supersonic arena."
When asked of deployment within Omzian forces however, Major Kansa Loran, the military representive within the design team, only revealed that "the [Bankarit] missile will be deployed in significant numbers with the slightly less capable Thunderbolt." On what role this will take in the Army, he declined to comment.
The missile numbers deployment will however, be similar to the deployment of the Brahmos. Three air-launched variants will be most likely mounted on the F-15E/SJ and F/A-18E/F/SJ multirole fighter, with 2 deployed on the F-16 and Omzian F/A-160 in service, assuming a secondary armament of only two Cockatrice MRAAMs and two Scorpion SRAAMs (or equivalents). The air-launched variant is also designed to be carried on Soviet aircraft, such as the Su-30/33/34/35 (three), or MiG-29S/SMT (two) with some modifications.
TELs for anti-ship and coastal defence operations will most likely to also include a command post vehicle, and possibly a target designation helicopter (for direct over-the-horizon targeting).
OOC: Just a note, since we've developed both the Lightning Bolt and this Thunderbolt II/Bankarit together, I will market those through OMASC (in the OMASC announcement/R&D/product catalog thread) if you don't mind. However, I will not sell these to every nation (only very trusted ones), and hopefully these are those we know well.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
03-04-2004, 10:12
Supersonic Bomber Project:
With new hypersonic missile designs coming under development, it has been decided that a Mach 2 capable heavy bomber should be produced to deliver these weapons. By deploying ramjet-equipped missiles externally on a mach 2 aircraft, the problem of getting them up to effective speed is addressed without the need for a booster (most ramjet weapons are either cannon launched or equipped with a booster to reach mach 2). This will allow for greater range and payload on an aircraft delivered missile of the same size. Design work has already begun, and research teams are optimistic. It is recognized that stealth will take a second seat to speed, but with the effective range of ramjet weapons, the aircraft can launch standoff attacks against numerous targets from well outside enemy air defenses, and has the speed necessary to evade most pursuit. It is expected that this will still maintain an internal bomb bay for other ordnance, and the new aircraft will replace a number of B-1B and B-1D aircraft already in service.
Hypersonic Cruise Missile Development:
Clan Smoke Jaguar scientists have made a number of breakthroughs in hypersonic flight, including an effective scramjet system and new composite structure able to withstand the heat generated by hypersonic flight. With these advances, effective hypersonic weapons become a reality, and CSJ engineers are rushing to capitalize on these developments. Currently, a range of systems are being developed, using various launch platforms and different methods to accelerate the missiles to the speeds (Mach 2) where ramjet and scramjet engines can be initiated. Current projects include artillery-delivered scramjet projectiles, with every gun over 100mm in diameter having at least one shell under development; a range of air-launched weapons that use Mach 2+ aircraft (F-15, F/A-22C, etc) to provide the speed requirements. There are also air and ground/ship/sub launched weapons that use boosters to reach the necessary speeds. It is expected that numerous hypersonic weapons in the Mach 4 – Mach 8 range will be appearing in the next several years.
Firebolt and Crossbolt upgrades:
With new technologies coming into the field, especially those that were applied in the development of the joint Omz-CSJ Bankarit derivative of the Thunderbolt. The first missile to get a makeover will be the Firebolt missile, which will receive much the same treatment of the Thunderbolt. It will be slightly scaled up and mated with an improved engine and seeker. Unlike the Bankarit, this weapon will likely completely replace the Firebolt missile in at least active CSJ use.
The Crossbolt, Lightning Bolt, and Thunderbolt missiles are all expected to receive engine and seeker upgrades to provide increased performance, and both the Crossbolt and Lightning Bolt are expected to receive a moderate makeover, though the result will not be classified as a new missile.
Armored Frigates and Destroyers:
CSJ frigates suffered heavily while engaged against Sniper Country, Barbarosean, and Omni Conglomerates vessels. And while armored destroyers and cruisers were rolled out to take counter the missile threat, there was no way to provide effective protection for the little frigates and corvettes. Until now. Recent composite development has resulted in a material that will provide sufficient protection to repel subsonic missiles without causing prohibitive size increases or internal space decreases. This will greatly enhance the survivability of these vessels in the modern threat environment. A similar, though less extensive, use of these will be applied to new missile boat and corvette designs to help improve the survivability of those vessels.
In a similar move, it has been announced that there will be new replacements for the Sniper series of destroyer, with the new units based on the Albatross/Cardinal hulls, and mounting 8” guns instead of the 6.1” previously carried.
NADSAM-EO
While satisfactory, the CSJ military has decided to replace its SM-3 stockpile with a new version of the NADSAM missile optimized for exoatmospheric engagements. This will allow for greater commonality and decreased logistical requirements. This development will coincide with new versions of the NADSAM and NADSAM-ER, as well as a new destroyer based on the Cardinal hull.
Megafortress II
An additional new unit under development is a Megafortress upgrade of the B-1B aircraft. This will provide many of the capabilities of the B-1B, B-1C, B-1D, and MB-52 aircraft, while incorporating a new one as well-ABM operations. The new aircraft will be matched with a new antisattelite / antiballistic missile which will allow it to provide forward defense against ballistic missile strikes.
The Omzian Air Force and Navy expresses much of their interest on the Megafortress II upgrade, and is considering the Supersonic Bomber and the Hypersonic Weapons, with the Navy interested in an armored replacement for the Sniper-class destroyer.
As with this, the Omzian engineering team at OMASC sub-contractor Horvans Inc. along with the Omzian Navy Weapons Labs expresses much interest in working together for the Crossbolt and Lightning Bolt upgrades, and if possible, Horvans would also like to fund the upgrade of the Firebolt and provide techanical materials.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
04-04-2004, 05:34
Omzian assistance with our designs is always welcomed, and we'd be happy to work with Omzian firms to further improve the designs.
Crossbolt and Lightning Bolt upgrades:
Currently, the upgraded Crossbolt is expected to be a somewhat larger weapon in the 9000 kg class. It will have a 3000 lb class warhead and will be capable of penetrating no less than 22.5" of US Class A Face Hardened armor (that of the Iowa). This will make it a capable anti-battleship weapon - one of the few missiles capable of fulfilling this role.
The Lighning Bolt cannot afford a weight increase due to carrying requirements. Therefore, it will use lighter composite structure and more efficient (smaller) seekers and engines to provide a better payload. There will also be a ground launched version of this weapon to help fill the gap between the new Crossbolt and Firebolt variants.
The Omzian engineering team, consists of personnel from OMASC and Omzian Navy Weapons Labs, is much satisfied to work with the engineers on the new Crossbolt and Lightning Bolt upgrades.
Honjaks Electrics, in the area of electronic systems for the Crossbolt, can offer the CX-2205A datalink system for the munitions for data-link communications between missiles and ships, along with small tactical jammers that is optimized against Aegis radar systems (albeit not very hard to burn through). With this, we also suggest a hardened case and measures to increase the damage by the flammable fuel inside the missiles, if possible.
For the Lightning Bolt, an improved aircraft and missile-installed CX-2205AB fire-control/communication system, to be installed on missile-carrying bombers for operations, can much improve the Lightning Bolt's targeting capability and interaction with bomber crews. The Omzian engineer team also proposes a secondary INS system with jam-proof GPS aid for navigation, to attach shore targets and possibly even targets inland.
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With this, Omzian engineers are also interested in the following:
1) Hypersonic universal (air/land/sea/underwater) kinetic missile, for fast-speed strike on hardened and high-value targets. Based on the HyStrike concept, this should be a high-speed, direct-attack missile that uses its speed as an advantage to outrun some less capable air defence and uses its kinetic power to penetrate and destroy.
2) Stealthy UCAV for striking high-value targets and air-defence nodes, based on the X/A-45 project, which can carry SDBs and JDAMs for such role without having the possibility of losing high-value aviators. UCAV should have full communication and control with the ground, and also should be able to carry a small load of GPS/INS-guided munitions (primarily JDAM/SDB) and possibly laser-guided munitions (with laser designation provided by secondary sources). Should have a very small RCS to gain its advantage, while having threat detection system to provide a plus to the possibility of evading air defence missiles.
Southeastasia
29-07-2006, 05:22
[OOC: CSJ, can we use this place to work on the Challenger project we talked about?]
Clan Smoke Jaguar
02-08-2006, 21:30
OOC: sure