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StaIinGrad seeks for aircraft dealers to upgrade its AF.

08-10-2003, 20:02

we basically have no combat aircraft except some 20 mig-21-93 [had 25, but 5 crashed] and 100 Mi-8AMTSh helicopters [6 got shot down by unkown terrorist group]
http://www.rusarm.ru/images/mig2193_01.jpg
http://www.checkpoint-online.ch/CheckPoint/Images/N-Mi-17.jpg

we need 200 light air-defender aircraft such as FC-1 or saab grippen or whatever you can sell us, and 100 ground attack aircraft such as j-10 or su-24 along with some pilot training specialists.

Stalingrad's Defence Minister Sergey Ivanov.

08-10-2003, 20:04

08-10-2003, 20:07

I suggest you go to my storefront linked to below.

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http://myimgs.com/data/weekendlazyness/179750.php (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67859)

we are sorry but your aircraft are WAAY too expensive for us, our AF cannot afford anything that cost more then 30/40 million :(

08-10-2003, 20:08

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MA-10 CV Fighter

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ucav-lm2.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ucav_fate_1_2.gif

Country: Freedom Country
Purpose: Carrier Borne Multirole Fighter
Length 67 feet, 5 inches (20.6 meters)
Wing span 43 feet, 7 inches (13.3 meters)
Height 13 feet, 11 inches (4.3 meters)
Maximum takeoff weight: 64,000 pounds (29,029 kilograms)
Propulsion: FC F-1001 Superengines
Speed: Mach 2.3
Range: 865-920 miles (750-800 nautical miles) unrefuelled
Armament: 6 Missile/Bomb Attachments in Missile/Bomb Bay
Crew: One

COST: 50 Million

:arrow: :!: TA-13 VTOL Ground Attack Fighter/ Trainer:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-10.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-03.jpg
http://www.forum-flugplatz.com/bilder/f18cockpit.jpg

Function: Ground Attack Fighter
Contractor two competing teams: Muir Aerospace
Taylor Aviation
Service: Army, Marines and Navy
Variants: VTOL, S/VTOL, CV, STOL and Trainer
Alternate Engine: 2 FC F-1102 Hyperengines ~ VTOL, S/VTOL, STOL. CTOL and CV versions
Empty Weight ~23,500 lbs
Internal Fuel: 19,500 lbs
Payload: 12,000 lbs
Maximum Takeoff Weight ~55,000 lbs
Length: 57 feet
Wingspan: 42 feet
Height: 3.7 m
Ceiling: 48,600 feet
Speed: STOL, S/VTOL and Trainer Mach 2 Tops, 1.3 Supercruise
VTOL Mach 1.6 tops 1.24 supercruise
Combat Radius: Over 600 nautical miles
Crew: One
Armament: 4 Weapons pilons for up to 2,000lbs of load each.
2 Fixed Rocket Pods with 14 rockets each
1 27mm Chain Gun

Example Loads:
2 Bombs
2 Missiles
2 RP's
1 Chain Gun

or

4 Missiles
2 RP's
1 Chain Gun

Training version does not include all attachments, but rather 1 30mm gun, 2 fake attachemts for fake missiles and extra learner avionics.

:arrow: COST:
:arrow: TA-13B VTOL: 18,000,000 USD
:arrow: TA-13C S/VTOL: 17,000,000 USD
:arrow: TA-13D STOL: 17,500,000 USD

MAH-4 Aqua

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/a1144ka27.jpg

Country of Origin: Freedom Country
Builder: Muir Aviation
Role: ASW Helicopter
Similar Aircraft: SH-60, Sea King, Lynx, KA-27
Rotor Span 51.64 ft/15.75 m
Length 34 ft/10.4 m
Height 18 ft/5.5 m
Weight 11,000 kg
Engine TB 3-117 VM
Speed 260 km/h Max. allowable flight speed
205 km/h Cruising speed at 1,500 m with 9,600 kg weight
115 km/h Economy speed at 1,500 m with 9,600 kg weight
Ceiling 5000 meters
Cruise range 432 nm
In-Flight Refueling No
Internal Fuel 632 kg
Payload 1200 kg
Crew: 2 minimum
Sensors: FCNDSU-92 Dipping Sonar, racks for 25 sonobuoys, FLIR and down pointing IR.
Arnament: 2 Torepdo Rotary Launchers, 1 on each door. Hold 3 torpedoes each.
2 Racks for torpedoes underneath, large sized.
1 Multipurpose attachment for LASH (not sold on it, just can be attached, so no copyright breakage) or radar.

Cost $2,000,000

MAH-3 Transport Aircraft

Great Spec Ops and Normal Troops transporter. Can carry rockets or Ground Attack Missiles. Great, cause of high speeds and high versatility.

http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/pics/z9_2.jpg

TYPE: Multi-purposes medium-lift helicopter.

DESIGN FEATURES

With a four-blade main rotor, two turboshaft engines are mounted side by side on top of the cabin with an air intake on side of motor hump and exhausts at the rear of the hump. The teardrop-shaped body features a tapered boom to the tail fin, a rounded nose and stepped-up cockpit, and retractable gear and flat bottom. The tail flats feature swept-back tips forward of the swept-back and tapered fin with a blunt tip. The rotor is inside a housing at the bottom of the fin. A weapons carrying platform is installed on some models.

PERFORMANCE

Flight crew: One
Length (Without rotors): 13.46 m
Height (Without rotors): 3.47 m
Blades: Main rotor 4; tail rotor 13
Empty weight: 1,975 kg
Maximum take-off weight: 3,850 kg
Maximum payload: 1,900 kg
Maximum external payload on sling: 1,600 kg
Maximum speed: 305 km/h
Cruising speed: 250~260 km/h
Range: 1,000 km
Flight endurance: 5 hours

COST: 12,000,000 USD

HAH-4 Myna CAS Marine Helicopter

Used strongly in our marines as a maneuverable yet cheap helicopter. Long range. Myna is an asian bird that can speak, and this bird has its own language.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/bo105-pv294.jpg

Role Observation, antitank, utility and close air support
Blades Main rotor: 4
Tail rotor: 2
Rotor diameter Main Rotor Diameter: 9.8 / 32 ft, 3 in
Tail Rotor Diameter: 1.9
Length Length (rotors turning): 11.9 m / 39 ft
Length (fuselage): 8.8m
Height 3.0 m
Width 2.5 m
Cargo Compartment Dimensions Floor Length: 1.9 m
Width: 1.4 m
Height: 1.3 m
Weight Maximal with external load 2,600 kg/5,732 lb
Maximum Gross: 2,500 kg / 5,512 lb
Normal Takeoff: 2,000 kg
Empty: 1,301 kg, 1,913 kg (PAH1)
Engine 2x 420-shp Allison 250-C20B turboshaft
Fuel Internal: 570 liters
Internal Aux Tank: 200 liters ea. (max 2x)
Maximum speed 242 km/h - 131 kts
Cruising speed 205 km/h
Range Normal Load: 855 km
With Aux Fuel: 1161 km
Ceiling Service: 3,050 m
Hover (out of ground effect): 457 m
Hover (in ground effect): 1,525 m
Vertical Climb Rate 7.5 m/s
Armament 2 - 2.75-in rocket pods (7 or 12 ea.)
2 - 68-mm SNEB rocket pods (12ea)
2 - 50-mm SNIA rockets (28 ea.)
2 - TOW ATGM pods (4 ea.)
6 - HOT ATGM
2 - AS-12 ASM pods (2 ea.)
1 - Stinger AAM pod (4 ea.)
2 - GAU-19 20mm Gatling Cannons

Standard Payload Internal load: 690 kg
External on sling only: 1,200 kg
Transports 3 troops or 2 litters, or cargo.
Survivability/Countermeasures Main and tail rotors electrically deiced.
Infrared signature suppressors can be mounted on engine exhausts.
Rotor brake.

AVIONICS The MAH-5 has a roof-mounted direct-view, daylight-only sight to allow firing of HOT ATGMs. Options exist to fit a thermal imaging system for night operations, and a laser designator.
Available avionics include weather radar, Doppler and GPS navigation, and an autopilot. It is capable of operation in day, night, and instrument meteorological condi-tions.

Crew 1 or 2 (pilots)

COST: 7,500,000 USD

08-10-2003, 20:09

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78978

08-10-2003, 20:10

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig2.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78939)

We would reccommend UCAVs and NVTOLs. Our top-of-the-line state-of-the-art better-than-all-others Fighter jet is 46 million a piece :)

08-10-2003, 20:11

we would like to buy 100 MAH-3 Transport Aircraft with a discount if possible.

08-10-2003, 20:13

Confirmed, though 100 is a bit much since you already have 100 Mi-8's....

I suggest the F-32 (cheap), TA-13 (VERY cheap) and MAH-12 Helicopter (very agile with same payload as AH-64)

08-10-2003, 20:19

Confirmed, though 100 is a bit much since you already have 100 Mi-8's....

I suggest the F-32 (cheap), TA-13 (VERY cheap) and MAH-12 Helicopter (very agile with same payload as AH-64)

no thanks, we dont need any attack helicopters right now, only combat/transport like your mah-2.

Seversky

08-10-2003, 20:22

We can sell you Kiowa Warriors for .75 million USD each, SAAB Gripens for 7.5 million USD each.
Also avalible: SAI Jaguars

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/griffon1.jpg

Engines: 2 SAI-MD T-103-7 Turboshaft engines, rated at 1,827 shp each.
Speed: Max: 175 mph
Max Cruise: 150 mph
Cruise: 130 mph
Range: Max Ferry: 560 miles
Max Radius: 315 miles
Lift Radius: 250 miles
Payload:
12-16 fully equipped troops; 8 stretchers, 19/20 seats max.
Armament: 2 door mounted 15.5mm Heavy MGs standard. Replaceable with any MG type.
Dimensions:
Height: 14ft.
Length: 56ft
Cabin Length: 22ft.
Cabin Height: 7ft
Cabin Width: 12ft
Cabin Volume: 1848 cu. ft
Main Rotor Diameter: 57ft
Tail Rotor Diameter: 11ft

Base price: $525,000 USD

Options:
FLIR $250,000 USD
Spotlight $ 25,000 USD
Winch (400lb test) $ 50,000 USD (2 max per heli)
Ditching gear $100,000 USD
Flare launchers $ 75,000 USD
Chaff launchers $ 75,000 USD
Weather Radar $ 75,000 USD

08-10-2003, 20:27

Seversky

08-10-2003, 20:33

Planes sent.

By ground attack, are you talking Anti tank like the A-10 Thunderbolt 2, or are you talking Counter Insurgency like the A1D Skyraider?

08-10-2003, 20:34

I suggest you go to my storefront linked to below.

we are sorry but your aircraft are WAAY too expensive for us, our AF cannot afford anything that cost more then 30/40 million :(

It's alright. When you get a bigger, I suggest you take another look at the storefront.

08-10-2003, 20:35

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56577

Crookfur

08-10-2003, 20:47

If you wish to get your Mi8s upgraded i can upgrade them to Mi17CF1 Ultra Hip standard for $3.5million per unit.

Well i see you have fufilled your light fighter needs (and i was going to offer you a FC1/JF17 version)

As for ground attack, perhaps an upgraded harrier might fit your needs?

CFF-9G Harrier (GR11a)

Crew: 1
Length: 14.12m
Height: 3.55m
Width/wingspan: 9.25m

Engines:
1 CFPW T4022 Alcohol vapour turbine or 1 RR Pegasus 107

Performance:
Max Speed: 662mph
Max range: 1667km
Service ceiling: 15,000m

Weapons
1 G74 25mm gatling gun with 400 rounds of ammo mounted in RHS pod.

7 hard points with max rating of 9000lb plus.
Sample configurations:
Air to air: 4 medium sized AAMs (i.e. AMRAAM, MICA, etc) or 2 medium sized and 4 small sized (Sidewinder, ASRAAM, etc).
Air to ground: wide range of stores including stand off weapons such as storm shadow and a wide range of precision guided bombs and missiles including Paveway 4E and brimstone.

Systems:
Radar: multimode CFES MK4007R radar and target processing system
Other sensors:
CFES MK5006 Multi mode IR/EO sensor pod mounted in the LHS pod. The pod offers laser targeting of ground targets and imaging for the guidance of and targeting of weapons (offers up to 45x magnification of targets). Also has an air surveillance (IRST) mode offering detection and tracking of up to 250 targets out to 150km.
Navigation: Full digital open standard GPS system, high accuracy INS.
Counter measures: duel mode IR/laser dazzler system, active ECM, chaff flare dispensers, automatic threat detection and countering system.
All systems are integrated with a Combat Sphere MK12D data link allow full interlinking with remote sensors and platforms and automatic threat/ target detection and prioritisation.

Based on the successful GR9 upgrade of the Harrier the CFF-9G takes it further. Based on the US AV-8B radar equipped variant the CFF-9G allows the harrier to operate in an air defence mode while still retaining its formidable ground attack abilities.
The addition of an all new radar and optical sensing system allows the harrier to operate under all conditions and the new all glass cockpit (featuring 5 MFDs plus a new wide angle HUD) with VHTS (voice hands throttle stick) control system and helmet mounted cueing and sighting device make life much easier for the pilot. In it’s basic state the GR11 is compatible with a wide range of western weapons with Air to air missiles including, AMRAAM, AIM9X, ASRAAM, MICA, Meteor and others offering true BVR and dog fighting capability, something lost with the demise of the Sea harrier from service. The open weapons handling system allows additional modules to be substituted in order to allow soviet and other weapons to be used.

The CFF-9G is fully capable of operating from both land sites and carriers, offering a true multi-role VTOL platform at a mere fraction of the cost of the F35 JSF. A twin seater trainer with all the operational features of the CFF-9G is available as the T14A.

Cost:
GR11: $23million
T14A: $25million

I can also provide training personell and simulator equipment.

Tarasovka

08-10-2003, 20:49

Good, needed to empty a bit my stock of modern tech weaponry anyway.
And since you're a new modern-tech nation - I'll just give you what I don't really use any longer...

The Grand Duchy donates:

1.000.000(one million) units of SIG SG 550 Assault Rifles, patented by the VerTech.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/sig550_2.jpg

500.000(five hundred thousand) units of SIG SG 551-LB Assault Rifles(shortened tactical version of the SG 550), patented by the VerTech.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/sig551.jpg

Here is the appropriate thread with all the specs:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28754&start=0
The pics don't work :?

Then:

100(one hundred) units of Mi-35 Attack Helicopters.
http://www.aeroworldnet.com/images/MAKGAL/im2/MI35M.JPG
(Just make a Google search for the stats, too lazy to post them...)

50(fifty) units of Ka-50 Attack Helicopters.
http://www.elleemmeshop.com/model1/elicotteri/031.jpg
(Same thing.)

And that is all for now - otherwise, you will be ruined on maintenance, due to the fact that others might sell/donate a bit more...

I'll see you again when you're bigger :wink:

Have fun!

08-10-2003, 20:53

Excellent Low-Cost Aircraft!

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rf9.gif (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79077)

08-10-2003, 20:54

we thank the nation of tarasovka for the donation! :D , how much your FC-1's cost Crookfur? i would be also interested in the mi-17 upgrade.

Crookfur

08-10-2003, 20:59

The Crookfur Varient of the FC1/JF17 (the pakistani ID number is slightly cooler in my view *shrug*) is likely goign to come in at around $17-18million , a bit more than the projected export rpice of the FC-1 at $15million but you do get a better Crookfur cockpit and electronics systems.

As for the Mi17 upgrade, it is quite far reaching as it uses alcohol engines (and thus not to everyone's tastes but it does make it cheaper to run). anyway stats on it:

MI17CF Ultra Hip.

Crew: 3 (2 pilots and 1 flight engineer/crew chief)
Rotor Diameter: 21.3m
Length: 25.4m (inc. rotor)
Height: 5.7m
Weight:
Max takeoff: 14,000kg
Normal takeoff: 12,000kg
Empty: 7900kg
Engines: 2x CFPW TH297 alcohol turbines
Max speed: 270kph
Cruising speed: 260kph
Range: 535km
Load: 30troops (combat transport)
Weapons:
Nose: mounting for 1 machine gun with remote control to co pilot’s position
Removable pylons: up to 6 hard points for rocket pods, 2 ATGMs, bombs and cannon pods.
2 Door machine gun mountings (front and rear)
Equipment:
Full night flight cockpits, Digital coms links, GPS and Internal navigation system linked to autopilot, terrain avoidance radar, FLIR and rescue hoist.
Survivability: Chaff/flare dispensers, Threat warning receiver, Smoke dischargers, Kevlar/titanium armour for crew, main cabin and engines.

As with the Mi24CF series the Mi17CF is an upgrade to the venerable Russian MI8/Mi17 Hip assault transport helicopter. The upgrades are of a similar theme to those on the Mi24 but without much in the way of weaponry upgrades which were deemed unnecessary for a transport helicopter. The Upgraded Ultra Hip is equally at home providing transport and support on the battlefield, conducting counter insurgency operations or providing a CSAR option.

Cost:
New: $6million
Upgrade package: $3million (From Mi17, from Mi8 $3.5million)
Engines: $1.2million

08-10-2003, 21:03

we would like 100 FC-1s, thats about it. [for 17 mil each]

Crookfur

08-10-2003, 21:11

Sounds good, it'll take me a while to get exact stats sorted but a breif overview of the features:

As FC-1 but with VTS control (voice throttle stick), full glass cockpit (3-5 MFDs, plus wide angle HUD), helmet mounted sight and cueing system.
Full fly by light controls (as fly by wire but with fibre optics), A full Crookfur combat electronics featuring MK4005R radar, MK5002 targeting/imaging system and MK12D datalink (combines all systems plus multi mode com and high capcity remote data sharing).
A Crookfur Self defence counter emasures pod will be included.

I should have them in production by tomorrow (and yes it can be doen that fast, i've been messing with the FC-1 for a while and these are all tried and tested systems).

Soviet Haaregrad

08-10-2003, 21:22

F-29A/B Drow

Primary Function: Advanced High Manuverbility Light Tactical Fighter, Conversion Trainer and LTF(B model)
Contractor: Pan-Haaregradian Defence Institute
Power Plant: 2x TF525-490-V 9 500lbs afterburning thrust vectoring turbofan engine
Length: 48' (14.6 meters)
Height: 14'8" (4.47 meters)
Wingspan: 27'2" (8.28 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 1 600 miles (2 575km)
Empty Weight: 12 000lbs (5 440kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 28 000lbs (12 700kg)
Armament: 2x GAU-25-1 25mm cannon, 2x AA-11 Adder SRAAM, up to 9 000lbs(4 082kg) of external stores including AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $23 500 000USD
Crew: 1, 2 for B model
Notes:
-super manuverable, capable of very high angles of attack
-uses many components from the F-20C/F-5L project
-based on real life X-29 technolegy demonstrator
-able to fly supersonic without using afterburners
-maximum g-loads +12/-4.5, exceeding all modern threat aircraft and also many UCAVs and perceived future threat aircraft
-requires use of the UHGFS g-force system for optimum capabilities
-uses elements of low observability, has a smaller radar signature then the EF 2000 or Su 34

http://haaregradia.20megsfree.com/storefront/f29_drow.htm