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Bible banned to stop bloodshed

08-10-2003, 00:48
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"
TROUSRS
08-10-2003, 00:50
Begging for a good ole' helping of ICBMs eh?

Channcelor Ben Dover had this to say:

"Camdean sucks ass."
Kahta
08-10-2003, 00:51
Nuclear forces are on full alert. Unless you change your foreign policy it will Rain Nukes.

I guarantee it.
Canada-Germany
08-10-2003, 00:52
Semi-OOC: *cough* as something of a do-gooder nation, I hate to say thing but... he does have the right to ban jews from his nation, as long as he ain't doing the Hitler thing.
08-10-2003, 00:53
I dont think so, it wont be allowed.

Im not going to let your crappy bible ruin and steal our dreams anymore, You weak pathetic fools...

Times are changing for Real my freinds, SS
TROUSRS
08-10-2003, 00:53
Semi-OOC: *cough* as something of a do-gooder nation, I hate to say thing but... he does have the right to ban jews from his nation, as long as he ain't doing the Hitler thing.

Agreed one hundred percent. We also have the right to do as we please.
Neo Earth
08-10-2003, 00:53
Any attack on Neo Earth's ally will result in mass retaliation. If you launch nukes at Camdean, then I will empty my nuclear supply on your sorry asses.


Camdean, didn't you once say all religion was welcome in your nation?
Pergatorio
08-10-2003, 00:54
Inside Minipax...

"Yes, Whitaker, you have reason to disturb me at this moment?"

"Yes, Mr. Devol. Apparently, Kahta is being a bitch to another nation who wants to keep their own international policies."

"Oh, that's nice. Just point our ICBM arsenal at them and if THEY do anything, send the whole motherload at them... and some of that lab anthrax, too."
Matich
08-10-2003, 00:54
All CFA forces are at DEFCOM2.The Matich President made this response,"Camdean go suck a dick".
08-10-2003, 00:54
Semi-OOC: *cough* as something of a do-gooder nation, I hate to say thing but... he does have the right to ban jews from his nation, as long as he ain't doing the Hitler thing.

Nope I aint going to do Hitlers method, we are peacefull, but we are now banning all the religions from our nation, charging my people money, before now they used to steal our dreams and our lands..
Canada-Germany
08-10-2003, 00:55
Semi-OOC: *cough* as something of a do-gooder nation, I hate to say this but... he does have the right to ban jews from his nation, as long as he ain't doing the Hitler thing.

Agreed one hundred percent. We also have the right to do as we please.

Semi-OOC: yeah, you do have a right to do what you please.. but not when it impinges apon the sovriegnty of another nation unless it's in reaction to a direct threat.
Kahta
08-10-2003, 00:55
Inside Minipax...

"Yes, Whitaker, you have reason to disturb me at this moment?"

"Yes, Mr. Devol. Apparently, Kahta is being a bitch to another nation who wants to keep their own international policies."

"Oh, that's nice. Just point our ICBM arsenal at them and if THEY do anything, send the whole motherload at them... and some of that lab anthrax, too."

as long as he does not do the hitler thing i have no problem.
Canada-Germany
08-10-2003, 00:56
All CFA forces are at DEFCOM2.The Matich President made this response,"Camdean go suck a dick".

Semi-OOC: as again, they do have a right to do what they did as long as they ain't doing the hitler thing.
TROUSRS
08-10-2003, 00:56
Semi-OOC: *cough* as something of a do-gooder nation, I hate to say thing but... he does have the right to ban jews from his nation, as long as he ain't doing the Hitler thing.

Nope I aint going to do Hitlers method, we are peacefull, but we are now banning all the religions from our nation, charging my people money, before now they used to steal our dreams and our lands..

Alright, just no roasting them in the oven ok?
Neo Earth
08-10-2003, 00:56
Camdean, please reconsider banning all religions. Trust me, only bad can come of banning religions.


Unless the religion your banning orders it's worshippers to kill, and you've launched a inquisition agianst it.
08-10-2003, 00:57
Any attack on Neo Earth's ally will result in mass retaliation. If you launch nukes at Camdean, then I will empty my nuclear supply on your sorry asses.


Camdean, didn't you once say all religion was welcome in your nation?

At one point yes, untill we realised our ancestors tribes were older than the jews they knew what was real, the Bible was created to secure the Jews and the Jews only, thousands of people have beebn tricked into praying to a Jew, Well thats all changed N.M the new Wizard has been busy..
Pergatorio
08-10-2003, 00:57
OOC: Actually, Kahta, you have been kind of bitchy over people's foreign policies. 1 question for you...

WHAT'S SO WRONG ABOUT "KILLING" METAPHORICAL REPRESENTATIONS OF PEOPLE?
Kahta
08-10-2003, 00:58
Why would they steal dreams and land?

Why don't you go ban all the republicans and large businesses also?
Neo Earth
08-10-2003, 00:58
Wait, are all religions banned? or just judism?
TROUSRS
08-10-2003, 00:58
Religion is banned in TROUSRS as well. We need non of this heven and hell hokey pokey. We believe in warfare and nuclear silos.
Kahta
08-10-2003, 00:59
OOC: Actually, Kahta, you have been kind of bitchy over people's foreign policies. 1 question for you...

WHAT'S SO WRONG ABOUT "KILLING" METAPHORICAL REPRESENTATIONS OF PEOPLE?

Hey Retard, its called role playing.
Guanyu
08-10-2003, 01:00
Guanyu offers asylum to anyone of ANY faith who loses their homes or their property to Camdean's new laws.
Matich
08-10-2003, 01:00
Its cool.
Pergatorio
08-10-2003, 01:01
OOC: Actually, Kahta, you have been kind of bitchy over people's foreign policies. 1 question for you...

WHAT'S SO WRONG ABOUT "KILLING" METAPHORICAL REPRESENTATIONS OF PEOPLE?

Hey Retard, its called role playing.

Lol, actually, I said that when you still had the non-edited more bitchy version of your last post back up. Sorryness about that.
08-10-2003, 01:04
All religions that follow the bible or are just a mockery of life are now banned by death from the whole Region of Camdean, Buddhism and such other ancient religions are allowed.

We now know the Jews tricked thousand of people from nearly every country to beleive in Jesus Christ (A Jew) and pray to him, Snidey pricks, I understand why Hitler would go mental, but we will take the peaceful approach... And have appointed N.M the new Wizard as head of the security counsel for Camdean he will watch and monitor the situation while also help retain our ways through skill.
Agrigento
08-10-2003, 01:04
Agrigento publicly renounces the acts of Camdean. This is truly a crime against humanity. We offer asylum to all families who wish to relocate to our country. Meanwhile our Armed Forces remain prepared to prevent a Mass Genocide.
08-10-2003, 01:07
We must apologise to the whole world for all killing is not fair play, but we need to be free as we were meant to be and retain our position in this world, this is the real start to a wonderful Region ready to go into the world peacefully through choice.
Neo Earth
08-10-2003, 01:07
OOC: Dude, it's christians that have converted people to Jesus Christ and the Bible

IC:

Camdean, I suggest you rethink this. I am totally agianst your banning of religions.
08-10-2003, 01:13
West Warwick condemns this blatent act of anti-semetism.
Canada-Germany
08-10-2003, 01:16
Semi-OOC: actually, I belive that he's only banning the so called "people of the book" Ie: Jew's, Christians and Muslems.
08-10-2003, 01:19
OOC: Dude, it's christians that have converted people to Jesus Christ and the Bible

IC:

Camdean, I suggest you rethink this. I am totally agianst your banning of religions.

The bible is all about a Jew, it came from the Jews, they are the sneakiest people on this planet, although i know a lot of them are good it was all a plot to have control and steal power wich could of been used for much better things. They have branched into many diferently named clans such as Christians who also pray to a Jew.
08-10-2003, 01:20
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"

The Federation of North Arkansas is Outraged by your Neo-Hitler attitudes. To ban a people just because of religion is most foul.

We will be watching you closely.

Judge Bean
Acting Authority,
Federation of North Arkansas
Lunatic Retard Robots
08-10-2003, 01:21
Er..... why? I mean, sure, religion never got us anywhere, but you can't ban it and stay within the confines of Left-wingism. In LRR, we discourage it by having a very strong science program. Not to mention, only 12% of our poipulation is human or humanoid. And that helps a lot.
Canada-Germany
08-10-2003, 01:22
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"

The Federation of North Arkansas is Outraged by your Neo-Hitler attitudes. To ban a people just because of religion is most foul.

We will be watching you closely.

Judge Bean
Acting Authority,
Federation of North Arkansas

OOC: Actually... I think they are banning a religion because of the people, ^^;;
08-10-2003, 01:23
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"

The Federation of North Arkansas is Outraged by your Neo-Hitler attitudes. To ban a people just because of religion is most foul.

We will be watching you closely.

Judge Bean
Acting Authority,
Federation of North Arkansas

We understand your worries my friend, but watch closely this second uprising of the people will be done correctly and peacefully, although we adopt the method of brutality in our own Region, this is what the Religion was doing to our people if we did not beleive it..

N.M the new Wizard will not allow any bad things to happen and he is protected and in charge now...
08-10-2003, 01:26
The Supreme Soviet looks down on all religions. That does not mean we prevent or ban all religions. Any religion is free to pratice their faith in the Soviet as long as they harm no one else.

We have notified our military about your nation. Two Alpha Class and one Sea Wolf Class nuclear Attack submarines have been dispatched to international waters 200 miles off your coast or nearest point of water.

We request that you resend your ban.

President Malcom
President of the Supreme Soviet
President of the Inner Soviet
President of the Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics
Kahta
08-10-2003, 01:28
OOC: Dude, it's christians that have converted people to Jesus Christ and the Bible

IC:

Camdean, I suggest you rethink this. I am totally agianst your banning of religions.

The bible is all about a Jew, it came from the Jews, they are the sneakiest people on this planet, although i know a lot of them are good it was all a plot to have control and steal power wich could of been used for much better things. They have branched into many diferently named clans such as Christians who also pray to a Jew.

So your country is banning Jews who are prayed to, in a book written by christians about jews?

How about the Camdeanean plot to steal power?
08-10-2003, 01:29
The Supreme Soviet looks down on all religions. That does not mean we prevent or ban all religions. Any religion is free to pratice their faith in the Soviet as long as they harm no one else.

We have notified our military about your nation. Two Alpha Class and one Sea Wolf Class nuclear Attack submarines have been dispatched to international waters 200 miles off your coast or nearest point of water.

We request that you resend your ban.

President Malcom
President of the Supreme Soviet
President of the Inner Soviet
President of the Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics

Are you trying to threating me into a religous position i think not my freind, our people have decided we do not want this book to killed into our familys, drilled into our society we will not remove this ban as we do not want this any more. Our ancient tribes men fought for thousands of years to protect our people we will not forget them and let another clan rule us EVER!
08-10-2003, 01:33
OOC: Dude, it's christians that have converted people to Jesus Christ and the Bible

IC:

Camdean, I suggest you rethink this. I am totally agianst your banning of religions.

The bible is all about a Jew, it came from the Jews, they are the sneakiest people on this planet, although i know a lot of them are good it was all a plot to have control and steal power wich could of been used for much better things. They have branched into many diferently named clans such as Christians who also pray to a Jew.

So your country is banning Jews who are prayed to, in a book written by christians about jews?

How about the Camdeanean plot to steal power?

Are we even pushing anything into any Nation ?, No we are simply removing them from our rightful freedom to control our lands and dreams.

N.M the new Wizard realesed this note:-

" We will not stand down from our ban our lands need to grow to become a trully peacefull people with no greed in mind we will all just be happy with each other and work to gain more knowledge and share with other Nations this knowledge and power to create a better future safe from Greedy power theifs who no longer control our lands!"
08-10-2003, 01:36
The Supreme Soviet looks down on all religions. That does not mean we prevent or ban all religions. Any religion is free to pratice their faith in the Soviet as long as they harm no one else.

We have notified our military about your nation. Two Alpha Class and one Sea Wolf Class nuclear Attack submarines have been dispatched to international waters 200 miles off your coast or nearest point of water.

We request that you resend your ban.

President Malcom
President of the Supreme Soviet
President of the Inner Soviet
President of the Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics

Are you trying to threating me into a religous position i think not my freind, our people have decided we do not want this book to killed into our familys, drilled into our society we will not remove this ban as we do not want this any more. Our ancient tribes men fought for thousands of years to protect our people we will not forget them and let another clan rule us EVER!

You may read into this whatever you like. What the Supreme Soviet sees, is another Nazi state about to declare war on the world. We do not see the logic in your actions. And the Supreme Soviet Condemns Camdean for its actions.

Our Nuclear Attack submarines will remain in international waters. If you have a row boat or whatever else your poor excuse of a navy has, you might want to come out and watch them surface every so often. They will not attack they are there to observe.
Agrigento
08-10-2003, 01:40
OOC: What am I missing here? A nation of over 900 million is supposed to be afraid of 3 submarines?? I consider it a little far fetched for a September nation is pushing around an April one.

IC:

As long as your government does not murder, torture, or otherwise harm these people physically then we cannot in good conscience use force. The only just thing for us to do is to offer those refugees either a permanent or temporary homes.
08-10-2003, 01:40
The Supreme Soviet looks down on all religions. That does not mean we prevent or ban all religions. Any religion is free to pratice their faith in the Soviet as long as they harm no one else.

We have notified our military about your nation. Two Alpha Class and one Sea Wolf Class nuclear Attack submarines have been dispatched to international waters 200 miles off your coast or nearest point of water.

We request that you resend your ban.

President Malcom
President of the Supreme Soviet
President of the Inner Soviet
President of the Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics

Are you trying to threating me into a religous position i think not my freind, our people have decided we do not want this book to killed into our familys, drilled into our society we will not remove this ban as we do not want this any more. Our ancient tribes men fought for thousands of years to protect our people we will not forget them and let another clan rule us EVER!

You may read into this whatever you like. What the Supreme Soviet sees, is another Nazi state about to declare war on the world. We do not see the logic in your actions. And the Supreme Soviet Condemns Camdean for its actions.

Our Nuclear Attack submarines will remain in international waters. If you have a row boat or whatever else your poor excuse of a navy has, you might want to come out and watch them surface every so often. They will not attack they are there to observe.

I can tell you right now that the new Wizard N.M has no thought of War, he is trying to maintain a peacefull presence to secure a peacefull future instead of the fighting future that is currently coming our way unless we act now, and he intends to act peacefully all throughout this campaign !!

Watch and see, our military is no match for the world let alone your Nation why would we attempt such a thing, you are over looking our whole point of this campaign - peace through choice.
08-10-2003, 01:43
OOC: What am I missing here? A nation of over 900 million is supposed to be afraid of 3 submarines?? I consider it a little far fetched for a September nation is pushing around an April one.

IC:

As long as your government does not murder, torture, or otherwise harm these people physically then we cannot in good conscience use force. The only just thing for us to do is to offer those refugees either a permanent or temporary homes.

All jews are banned and have been given 70 hours notice and are given full transport out of the country, any Jews left will have to be forced out without force if we can.
08-10-2003, 01:44
OOC: What am I missing here? A nation of over 900 million is supposed to be afraid of 3 submarines?? I consider it a little far fetched for a September nation is pushing around an April one.

IC:

As long as your government does not murder, torture, or otherwise harm these people physically then we cannot in good conscience use force. The only just thing for us to do is to offer those refugees either a permanent or temporary homes.

All jews are banned and have been given 70 hours notice and are given full transport out of the country, any Jews left will have to be forced out without force if we can.
08-10-2003, 01:44
Banning these people from your country is against their fundamental human rights. Everyone has a right to citizenship in his or her country of birth, and to freedom of religion. Aroha condemns this action and, although a small country, will do its best to resettle refugees from your region.
08-10-2003, 01:47
OOC: What am I missing here? A nation of over 900 million is supposed to be afraid of 3 submarines?? I consider it a little far fetched for a September nation is pushing around an April one.

IC:

As long as your government does not murder, torture, or otherwise harm these people physically then we cannot in good conscience use force. The only just thing for us to do is to offer those refugees either a permanent or temporary homes.

OOC: This nation has the same number of people that the USA had when they went to war with Germany in 1941, World War 2.

IC: Our Submarines are there only to observe. Would we not be surfacing every once in a while in plain view of everyone if we had other intentions?

We condemn a nation who carries out these pregudical(SP) acts against other peoples... If you get below the skin you find that everyone is like everyone else.

President Malcom
Agrigento
08-10-2003, 01:57
OOC: This nation has the same number of people that the USA had when they went to war with Germany in 1941, World War 2.

IC: Our Submarines are there only to observe. Would we not be surfacing every once in a while in plain view of everyone if we had other intentions?

We condemn a nation who carries out these pregudical(SP) acts against other peoples... If you get below the skin you find that everyone is like everyone else.

President Malcom

ooc: But Germany didn't have 900 million people, like Camdean does.
08-10-2003, 01:58
Message from President Lang United States of America.

"When the breakaways occured several years ago, we warned the world that Nazi states would rise up. Well now it has happened. A breakaway that is a Nazi state is now preying upon innocent Jews.

The United States of America condemns this act. We are, however, bound by peace treaty from sending any forces to oppose the evil Nazi nation.

All we can say is, We told you so"

President Lang, United States of America.
Agrigento
08-10-2003, 02:01
ooc: BTW during WWII Germany had a minimum population of 78,000,000, and a maximum population of 86,170,000
08-10-2003, 02:15
ooc: BTW during WWII Germany had a minimum population of 78,000,000, and a maximum population of 86,170,000

OOC: Thanks for the information. Maybe it is like the USA of today, almost 300 million against China with almost 2 billion????

OOC2: I ment for compairson purposes
08-10-2003, 02:20
I'll take any of the hot ones
08-10-2003, 02:38
I care not what any nation wants to call what Camdean is doing to its jewish community, it is their right! I support what Camdean is doing and offer up a percent of my merchant marine to help this nation remove its undesireables of their shores. Many nations have laws in place about this very thing, so follow your laws in YOUR country not someone elses.
08-10-2003, 12:18
Message from President Lang United States of America.

"When the breakaways occured several years ago, we warned the world that Nazi states would rise up. Well now it has happened. A breakaway that is a Nazi state is now preying upon innocent Jews.

The United States of America condemns this act. We are, however, bound by peace treaty from sending any forces to oppose the evil Nazi nation.

All we can say is, We told you so"

President Lang, United States of America.

This is what our clans have allways beleived..

Our people understand that we are reincarnated into another life and whatever we do in this life is reflected in our next life we do not beleive in 1 god, especially a jewish one !

So we cant have any religion trying to change this, they have been trying with force for years what else are we meant to do ?
08-10-2003, 12:22
I care not what any nation wants to call what Camdean is doing to its jewish community, it is their right! I support what Camdean is doing and offer up a percent of my merchant marine to help this nation remove its undesireables of their shores. Many nations have laws in place about this very thing, so follow your laws in YOUR country not someone elses.

Thank you for understanding our wish to remove these problems from our shores, our own beleifs are personal and we beleive in taming our selves for a better future, we can do this through reincarnation which we beleive happens nataurally !

They just have problems accepting life isn't what they beleive, or someone elses life isn't just like theirs !
08-10-2003, 13:42
Message from President Lang United States of America.

"When the breakaways occured several years ago, we warned the world that Nazi states would rise up. Well now it has happened. A breakaway that is a Nazi state is now preying upon innocent Jews.

The United States of America condemns this act. We are, however, bound by peace treaty from sending any forces to oppose the evil Nazi nation.

All we can say is, We told you so"

President Lang, United States of America.

This is what our clans have allways beleived..

Our people understand that we are reincarnated into another life and whatever we do in this life is reflected in our next life we do not beleive in 1 god, especially a jewish one !

So we cant have any religion trying to change this, they have been trying with force for years what else are we meant to do ?

The Only difference I see between Camdean and Nazi Germany is that you do not have people running about screaming "Sig Hail"

Hitler was some sort of Pagan, and so are you. Being Pagan has nothing to do with being a Nazi yet I find it interesting that you are using the same excuses that Hitler did to exterminate the Jews.

The United States of America calls upon the world to stand up to Nazi Camdean and oppose them."

President Lang
Jeruselem
08-10-2003, 14:03
You are on notice as potential enemy our country which is the spiritual home of the Jews, Christians and Moslems. Do not extend your ban on our Monothiest religions into a violent cull like the Nazi regime did.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg
08-10-2003, 16:54
You are on notice as potential enemy our country which is the spiritual home of the Jews, Christians and Moslems. Do not extend your ban on our Monothiest religions into a violent cull like the Nazi regime did.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg

"In the course of human events, what my long distant reletave, FD Roosevelt went through should be a clear lesson to us all. Nazi Regimes must not be allowed to exist. And all peoples have the God given right to live and work where they please. We stand with our friends, Jeruselem and those who oppose Nazi Camdean. We demand an end to this law. We call upon the good community of the world to boycott and blockade Nazi Camdean until this repulsive law is revoked."

President Allan Theodore Clark Roosevelt
Oklahoma City, Low Gap.
08-10-2003, 18:13
The Press room was crammed with screaming reporters. Then, CEO Walter Gates walked to the stand. The reporters were kept back by a line of Army troops and a rope.

" Florence Road announces an Economic Boycott of Nazi Camdean. All citizens of the Incorporated States of Florence Road are ordered to seise all commerce with Nazi Camdean. All shipments to and from Nazi Camdean shall stop at once.

This government accepts any Jews who are fleeing Nazi Camdean. We welcome them with open arms.

This Government condemns Nazi Camdean. We oppose you."

The CEO walked out of the press room.
Voleri
08-10-2003, 18:24
Voleri president Oliver Marcus has made this statement to the press:

"Voleri, as an atheist nation, stand by Camdean's decision to ban all religion. Any countries who oppose their decision and attack Camdean will be considered enemies of Voleri, and we will defend Camdean, no matter what the cost."
08-10-2003, 18:42
All jews are banned and have been given 70 hours notice and are given full transport out of the country, any Jews left will have to be forced out without force if we can.

Miweenian moving services are on the scene, helping Camdean Jews pack and ready them for transportation. Those unwilling to relocate are left to their fate, although Miweenia will take them in if it comes to that.

Miweenian pamphlets are seen throughout Camdea, encouraging tourism.

People who disagree with the government actions are sold protest stuff by Miweenian merchants (no weapons, but some personal defense items - such as mace).

People who agree with the government are sold anti-Jew gear (mostly t-shirts and mugs (refillable at any MP gas station)).
Iuthia
08-10-2003, 18:43
"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"

As per normal I condemn what Camdean has done, though I'm not going ban trade with his nation unless he actively seeks the destruction of all jews within his nation.

I would of added you to the Iuthian Grey List of nations to watch, but quite frankly there are much more dangerous actions that nations were prepared to take, for example:

Black Listed Nation[/i]"]Nuclear forces are on full alert. Unless you change your foreign policy it will Rain Nukes.

I guarantee it.

This nation will now be banned from trading with Iuthia until it proves to us that it is not a danger to the world. Anyone who is willing to jump to Nuclear Weapons so quicky over such a small action has no place within Iuthia's boarders. Being black listed means that Iuthia will have no sympathy with your nation should anyone decide to end it's existance, as well as being banned and condemned by Iuthia.

Basically put, we don't like you at all.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
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Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
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08-10-2003, 18:44
Miweenia will, of course, accept any Camdean Jews into our nation.
08-10-2003, 18:48
We do have reason to start war with this ass country, because of rascism and stereothypical attitudes.

That was sarcasm.
Anyway, I was serious though.

Hearja is also open to any. I am afraid the distance is a little far though.
08-10-2003, 19:00
Ladies and Gentlemen, Our Fearless Leader



"Today, I allow no religion to interfear with my running of the state. However, this Communist nation does not ban people because of their religion.

Need I an excuse to do what I please? No but I have one. Camdean is clearly a Nazi State. Therefore, We honor the Economic Blockade of our fellow Ozark member. I order the state to stop tradeing with Nazi Camdean. I order the citizens to get out of Camdean. I close the embassey in Camdean.

It would be better for you, Camdean, to with-draw your Nazi legislation. For we are watching"

Ladies and Gentlemen, Rise for our Fearless Leader as he exits our great listening hall...

Our Leader has ordered naval equiptment to the international waters close to Nazi Camdean.

10 Virginia Class Attack Subs are dispatched to International Waters close to Nazi Camdean

http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/images/nssna.jpg

2 Seawolf Class
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/images/ssn21a.jpg

14 Trout class Diesel class Subs

http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/images/trouta.jpg

They will not attack, they will listen. And Observe for our Fearless Leader.
08-10-2003, 19:07
OOC: I just feel the need to point out that evicting Jews, hating Jews, or even slapping Jews around until they cry and tossing them in an oven, does not make a government - strictly speaking - Nazi.

Toss in some Fascism and we could be talking. Racism is bad, but calling a zebra a spotted donkey just feels weird.
08-10-2003, 19:25
OOC: I just feel the need to point out that evicting Jews, hating Jews, or even slapping Jews around until they cry and tossing them in an oven, does not make a government - strictly speaking - Nazi.

Toss in some Fascism and we could be talking. Racism is bad, but calling a zebra a spotted donkey just feels weird.

This Government dis-agrees. Nazi Camdean is doing exactly what Nazi Germany did. Deport the Jews. We feel all people are equal and demand that Camdean seise this activity at once.

The High Command
Voleri
08-10-2003, 22:45
This Government dis-agrees. Nazi Camdean is doing exactly what Nazi Germany did. Deport the Jews. We feel all people are equal and demand that Camdean seise this activity at once.

Camdean is not nearly on the same level as nazi Germany. Is Camdean murdering jews, or forcing them to work under slave conditions? No. They are simply deporting them, because they believe in religion. Its not just against jews, if you read the whole thread, its about people who people in any religion, not just the jews.
08-10-2003, 22:51
Plus, Nazism is Socialism + Fascism + Racism. He never said he was Socialist or Fascist.

NAZI is short for NSDAP, or National Socialist German Workers Party. Is he German?
Voleri
08-10-2003, 22:59
i think when the nazis called themselves socialists, they didnt really mean it, because socialism and communism are pretty much the same thing and the nazis were very anti communist.
Haverton
08-10-2003, 23:07
The Holy Emperor of Haverton is abhorred by the deportation of the religious. Since the majority of Havertonians are so called "People of the Book", the nation backs the Emperor in his decision. Therefore, an economic blockade will be placed onto Camdean.
08-10-2003, 23:09
Socialism and Communism are very different. There is no such thing as a communist or capitalist state. All countries are socialist, its just the leaning towards communist ideals and capitalist ideals.
08-10-2003, 23:16
1st Commander speaking for the People's Republic of Yunzland,


Camdean's bold action are well recieved, and as an act of solidarity against Jewish scheming and religious trickery Yunzland will hereby announce the deportation of all Jews. On a related topic Yunzland would like to announce that public religion is also hereby abolished.

Let us take note that the Jewish bourgeoisie have long spread their propaganda throughout the globe on largely Jewish-owned media corporations. All Reasonable nations are urged to rid themselves of this heinous people.
09-10-2003, 00:26
Message from President Lang United States of America.

"When the breakaways occured several years ago, we warned the world that Nazi states would rise up. Well now it has happened. A breakaway that is a Nazi state is now preying upon innocent Jews.

The United States of America condemns this act. We are, however, bound by peace treaty from sending any forces to oppose the evil Nazi nation.

All we can say is, We told you so"

President Lang, United States of America.

This is what our clans have allways beleived..

Our people understand that we are reincarnated into another life and whatever we do in this life is reflected in our next life we do not beleive in 1 god, especially a jewish one !

So we cant have any religion trying to change this, they have been trying with force for years what else are we meant to do ?

The Only difference I see between Camdean and Nazi Germany is that you do not have people running about screaming "Sig Hail"

Hitler was some sort of Pagan, and so are you. Being Pagan has nothing to do with being a Nazi yet I find it interesting that you are using the same excuses that Hitler did to exterminate the Jews.

The United States of America calls upon the world to stand up to Nazi Camdean and oppose them."

President Lang

Oppose me all you want, but im not going to beleive your crap, Paganism is what Camdean was before the Romans invaded. So we practice this now as we were alive then, and are being re-born into this life, we dont go to an eternal heaven !
09-10-2003, 00:29
The Press room was crammed with screaming reporters. Then, CEO Walter Gates walked to the stand. The reporters were kept back by a line of Army troops and a rope.

" Florence Road announces an Economic Boycott of Nazi Camdean. All citizens of the Incorporated States of Florence Road are ordered to seise all commerce with Nazi Camdean. All shipments to and from Nazi Camdean shall stop at once.

This government accepts any Jews who are fleeing Nazi Camdean. We welcome them with open arms.

This Government condemns Nazi Camdean. We oppose you."

The CEO walked out of the press room.

Im not Nazi, are you a jew ?

Im a peaceful Nation, not anything like Nazi's you are trying to spread your bad hype onto my name, well im sorry the law stays, im not letting my people be killed and forced into a religion, that is Murder !
09-10-2003, 00:33
Voleri president Oliver Marcus has made this statement to the press:

"Voleri, as an atheist nation, stand by Camdean's decision to ban all religion. Any countries who oppose their decision and attack Camdean will be considered enemies of Voleri, and we will defend Camdean, no matter what the cost."

Thank you, look at these Animals trying to attack my country, through force justifying there cause to beleive in a Jew who walked on water, split the sea, Is coming back,

Ive had enough this isnt the way its going to be...

N.M the new Wizard has been reported to have been fully functional again after releasing the grasp of religion on our region.
09-10-2003, 00:35
1st Commander speaking for the People's Republic of Yunzland,


Camdean's bold action are well recieved, and as an act of solidarity against Jewish scheming and religious trickery Yunzland will hereby announce the deportation of all Jews. On a related topic Yunzland would like to announce that public religion is also hereby abolished.

Let us take note that the Jewish bourgeoisie have long spread their propaganda throughout the globe on largely Jewish-owned media corporations. All Reasonable nations are urged to rid themselves of this heinous people.

Well said my friend..
Arribastan
09-10-2003, 00:38
The nation of Arribastan is furious with your policies. we will back any invasion of Camdean. Please deport your jews here. they are welcome, as jews make up 73% of the population.
Western Asia
09-10-2003, 00:57
All jews are banned and have been given 70 hours notice and are given full transport out of the country, any Jews left will have to be forced out without force if we can.

Message from the President of WA

Please tell us how many Jews there are in your country and we will allocate resources and relocation efforts in response.

We must ask you to extend the deadline to the end of the week to allow the people time to be processed as they are removed.

We will notify Celeborne of the efforts and we will provide transportation to receptive nations after full processing has been completed in Western Asia, to avoid the separation of family members between disparate nations.

Camdean, if you will accept this offer then our aid services will begin work at once to remove these people from your lands, where they are so unwelcomed.

A list of receptive nations is being prepared.

The Current List:
Western Asia
Arribastan
Miweenia
Agrigento
Aroha
Guanyu
East Islandia
Johnistan
Artitsia
Southern Manitoba
Free Rumania (not sure about the request for "the hot ones" :wink:)
Canada-Germany
TheRepublic
Mount Eagle

We express our deepest gratitude to the kindness and openess of these nations' governments. We hope that the leadership of Camdean will allow these nations to bear away the innocents that they wish to be gone.
09-10-2003, 01:41
Ladies and Gentlemen, Our Fearless Leader



"Today, I allow no religion to interfear with my running of the state. However, this Communist nation does not ban people because of their religion.

Need I an excuse to do what I please? No but I have one. Camdean is clearly a Nazi State. Therefore, We honor the Economic Blockade of our fellow Ozark member. I order the state to stop tradeing with Nazi Camdean. I order the citizens to get out of Camdean. I close the embassey in Camdean.

It would be better for you, Camdean, to with-draw your Nazi legislation. For we are watching"

Ladies and Gentlemen, Rise for our Fearless Leader as he exits our great listening hall...

Our Leader has ordered naval equiptment to the international waters close to Nazi Camdean.

10 Virginia Class Attack Subs are dispatched to International Waters close to Nazi Camdean

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2 Seawolf Class
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14 Trout class Diesel class Subs

http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/usa/images/trouta.jpg

They will not attack, they will listen. And Observe for our Fearless Leader.

Listen to me you little prick ive been forced to allow this religion to kill and threaten my people for years, I ain't gonna let it happen anymore its that simple..

O:Sir double the security watch on the shores of Camdean, and send out a team of High ranking Captain's to make sure we are well defended..

O:Right away Sir...

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On one of the 500 sub killers in the dainit sea...

O: Captain Pratt here we have orders to safegaurd the entire coast, can we use all our ships N.M ?

O: Use all force necacary to defend our shores, do NOT fire unless we are fired upon got it ?

O: Oh yeah...

http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/images/jsf.jpg

O: This is pilot Fender reporting from the Ark Royal, Dad im gonna make sure no son of a gun gets in here !, and Dad i better get home for the weekend..

O: Yeah we'll see Son just get on with the job..

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/data/gallery/thumb/988973884t.jpg
At that the Arkroyal heads into her defensive position followed by another 12 ships including 6 submarines..

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East Islandia
09-10-2003, 01:51
Add 'East Islandia' to your "receptive nations list"

We welcome all refugees to our random collection of tropical islands in the middle of nowhere.

:D
Western Asia
09-10-2003, 02:42
OOC: EI, done.

Cam, will you respond to the offer?
09-10-2003, 02:50
To the President of Camdean,

I, Judge Bean, The Civilian Authority in charge of the temparoly government of The Federation of North Arkansas, would like a face to face meeting with you at the UN in New York City, you know, the Big Apple. This is neutral ground and we can discuss your issues. In normal life, I am a judge of the law. I listen very well.

Thank you Mr. President

Judge Bean,
Temparoly Authority
Federation of North Arkansas.
09-10-2003, 02:53
Southern Manitoba will accept any refugees from Nazi Camdean. We support the Christian World and The Jewish alliance against this tyranny.

Secretary General Fred
Southern Manitoba
Neo Earth
09-10-2003, 02:54
The Congress has decided whether or not to support our old Ally Camdean:

For Camdean: 9

Against: 10

Reason: Our ally has become a nazi. Sorry Camdean.
Artitsa
09-10-2003, 02:57
We will also take your Refugees. Be warned, the NJA will be watching you.




President of Artitsa
Member of New Jewish Alliance
Member of the GrossDuetchland Alliance
Member of NCA
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Johnistan
09-10-2003, 03:02
I'll take any refugees the country may have also. You're lucky Camdean, I was just about to declare unrestricted warfare on you. If I hear one story of a member of the Jewish faith being harmed in your nation, I will respond in kind.

Have a nice day.
Artitsa
09-10-2003, 03:09
Im not jewish, but I do not stand for Intolerance.




President of Artitsa
Member of New Jewish Alliance
Member of the GrossDuetchland Alliance
Member of NCA
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Western Asia
09-10-2003, 03:10
OOC: Updated listing of accepting nations.
09-10-2003, 03:12
The Congress has decided whether or not to support our old Ally Camdean:

For Camdean: 9

Against: 10

Reason: Our ally has become a nazi. Sorry Camdean.

And you my friend have become a prick..

I am not a nazi, There is no killing invloved we do not want to spread our beleif or our ways, unlike the rest of religion.

We like buddha conserve the right to beleive in what we want and we know is true..
09-10-2003, 03:14
Its sad when Nations become seperated by religion.. We dont let that happen..
Johnistan
09-10-2003, 03:16
I am Jewish, and I take offense at Camdean's display of racism
09-10-2003, 03:19
In the great hall of the Government of Mount Eagle, in Chattanooga, The daily ask the Prime Minister sessions was underway. The Prime Minister stood at his podium and the majority Law and Order party stood and clapped and cheered him on.

"Today before we begin our session, I would like to make a statement. It has come to my attention, through an E-Mail from the President of the Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics, that a Nazi dictatorship is rounding up the Jewish faith and casting them out. (BOOS from the parliament) I have decided to make a statement for this government. The Dominion of Mount Eagle, breaks diplomatic relations with Camdean, We mobilize our forces and await the rest of the world. I suspect that the world will respond against this tyranny very soon. But until the rest of the world responds, this Government will limit itsself, to economic boycott, we sale all our stock options in Camdean, and we order all citizens of Mount Eagle out of Camdean, especially if they be jewish.

On a side note, We, The DOminion of MOunt Eagle do hereby accept all jews fleeing this tyranny of Camdean. (hear hear ) We completely oppose this tyranny and we stand against Camdean, and we join the world in voiceing our opposition to these draconian laws. It is against Democracy, it is against decency and it is against the free world that Camdean committs its crimes.

Now, I will take the first issue of the day. Representative McIntire of Manchester...."

End of special report.
09-10-2003, 03:23
I am Jewish, and I take offense at Camdean's display of racism

were's the proof, hint use the quote button !!
09-10-2003, 03:24
A message to President of Camedean from the Federation of Pamiristan

Mr President,

Pamiristan wishes to enquire if you support the Islamic faith? We become concerned with your dark talk against all religions. We respectfully state that you should examine closely your reply to this statement, as a wrong response might bring something undesirable, from the Islamic World.

We feel that you will choose wisely.

President Saladin
Neo Earth
09-10-2003, 03:25
Camdean, you have no right to ban innocent religions that never harmed your people. Until you rescind your laws, we will not be your ally.
09-10-2003, 03:28
The Republic Declares Neutrality in the upcoming World War against Camdean. We will also like to accept any jews fleeing Camdean.
Canada-Germany
09-10-2003, 03:32
DI-CG (Department of Immagration - Canada-Germany):

We would like to accept any Jews who would like to come to our country.
09-10-2003, 03:33
If war breaks out between the nations and Camdean, Omineca can contribute troops and manpower to assist.
09-10-2003, 03:34
Camdean, you have no right to ban innocent religions that never harmed your people. Until you rescind your laws, we will not be your ally.

NEVER HARMED MY PEOPLE ! BAH They have been caught burning inncoent women who practice what our society has been doing for years, our ways have been done since our first civilisations settled here, you cant say im in the wrong for not allowing this to be stopped, this is our way we dont want to change our whole society into your ways of life, but thank you for caring GOODBYE. !!
Neo Earth
09-10-2003, 03:35
Just don't ban it. At least reduce thier rights.


Should war commence, we may still join Camdean.
09-10-2003, 03:39
The Berkshires wants a good fight. Count on us to assist when the war is on.

I feel very very very sorry for you Camedean freak.

Oh, I suppose we can take a few oppressed people also, Its the good thing to do.
Western Asia
09-10-2003, 03:40
OOC: Camdean, should I take it that my offer has been accepted?
09-10-2003, 03:40
We will allow one church, and 2 houses in Politic Square, were we have other religions here as well, and under our counter terrirism act :-

Any religious people found carrying out any acts against us that we find harmfull in any way, this person is liable to be killed by our Law.
Canada-Germany
09-10-2003, 03:40
"As long as Camdean does not harm it's citizens that are Jewish, we must object to this agression pointed at them. They are well within their rights to decide to kick out the Jews as long as they do not harm them."
09-10-2003, 03:44
All jews are banned and have been given 70 hours notice and are given full transport out of the country, any Jews left will have to be forced out without force if we can.

Message from the President of WA

Please tell us how many Jews there are in your country and we will allocate resources and relocation efforts in response.

We must ask you to extend the deadline to the end of the week to allow the people time to be processed as they are removed.

We will notify Celeborne of the efforts and we will provide transportation to receptive nations after full processing has been completed in Western Asia, to avoid the separation of family members between disparate nations.

Camdean, if you will accept this offer then our aid services will begin work at once to remove these people from your lands, where they are so unwelcomed.

A list of receptive nations is being prepared.

The Current List:
Western Asia
Arribastan
Miweenia
Agrigento
Aroha
Guanyu
East Islandia
Johnistan
Artitsia
Southern Manitoba
Free Rumania (not sure about the request for "the hot ones" :wink:)
Canada-Germany
TheRepublic
Mount Eagle

We express our deepest gratitude to the kindness and openess of these nations' governments. We hope that the leadership of Camdean will allow these nations to bear away the innocents that they wish to be gone.

Sorry for the delay, yes i will agree to let them stay, all remaining Jews will be monitored 24/7 untill they leave..

In the future we will allow them to return without any hostilitie, but untill we as a nation get ourselves together we will remain to keep the ban in place, thank you for coperating.
09-10-2003, 03:44
We will allow one church, and 2 houses in Politic Square, were we have other religions here as well, and under our counter terrirism act :-

Any religious people found carrying out any acts against us that we find harmfull in any way, this person is liable to be killed by our Law.

Does this mean you have changed your mind and will allow the Jews to live in peace in your nation... If it is what you mean, you might have just dodged the bullet and prevented a massive global world war.

I hope you are including the jews in this as well.

Judge Bean
Neo Earth
09-10-2003, 03:45
Then allow our church in your nation, and I will once agian be your ally.
09-10-2003, 03:45
I'm going to give Muslims the boot from Romania soon, but I bet I no one will really care.
Canada-Germany
09-10-2003, 03:46
I'm going to give Muslims the boot from Romania soon, but I bet I no one will really care.

As long as you arn't starting a mass kill off of them.. no, not really although, I would offer my country as a safe heaven for those whom this would affect.
09-10-2003, 03:47
I control an Islamic country, so I'll just send them to there and ADK might get some.
09-10-2003, 03:48
We will allow one church, and 2 houses in Politic Square, were we have other religions here as well, and under our counter terrirism act :-

Any religious people found carrying out any acts against us that we find harmfull in any way, this person is liable to be killed by our Law.

Does this mean you have changed your mind and will allow the Jews to live in peace in your nation... If it is what you mean, you might have just dodged the bullet and prevented a massive global world war.

I hope you are including the jews in this as well.

Judge Bean

OOC:No the ban goes ahead


O:N.M the new Wizard has this to say.

"I wish the country that holds the big amount of power would let us live the way we have allways lived without trying to interfere"
Western Asia
09-10-2003, 03:55
All jews are banned and have been given 70 hours notice and are given full transport out of the country, any Jews left will have to be forced out without force if we can.

Message from the President of WA

Please tell us how many Jews there are in your country and we will allocate resources and relocation efforts in response.

We must ask you to extend the deadline to the end of the week to allow the people time to be processed as they are removed.

We will notify Celeborne of the efforts and we will provide transportation to receptive nations after full processing has been completed in Western Asia, to avoid the separation of family members between disparate nations.

Camdean, if you will accept this offer then our aid services will begin work at once to remove these people from your lands, where they are so unwelcomed.

A list of receptive nations is being prepared.

The Current List:
Western Asia
Arribastan
Miweenia
Agrigento
Aroha
Guanyu
East Islandia
Johnistan
Artitsia
Southern Manitoba
Free Rumania (not sure about the request for "the hot ones" :wink:)
Canada-Germany
TheRepublic
Mount Eagle

We express our deepest gratitude to the kindness and openess of these nations' governments. We hope that the leadership of Camdean will allow these nations to bear away the innocents that they wish to be gone.

Sorry for the delay, yes i will agree to let them stay, all remaining Jews will be monitored 24/7 untill they leave..

In the future we will allow them to return without any hostilitie, but untill we as a nation get ourselves together we will remain to keep the ban in place, thank you for coperating.

Message from the President of WA

We appreciate your flexibility on this matter. We have organized for a convoy of large airships and aircraft to arrive for the collection of the refugees.

The first jets (747s) will begin arriving in 7hours, followed shortly thereafter by a flight of 8 PelicanULTRA WIG craft. A large contingent of Ultra Large Airships (ULAs) will be arriving to collect even more of the passengers and their belongings.

These aircraft will off-load evacuation coordination personnel and return to Western Asia with the first batches of refugees. For the benefit of your personnel, the logs and reports made by the coordination personnel will be open to your officials. Hopefully this will allow your government personnel to monitor the orderly movement of these people.

All of the transportation and coordination costs will be covered by our services.

Thank you again for your openness and we hope to make this process of mass evacuation as smooth as possible. The extra time will allow us to make sure that these people are all moved and accounted for.

The following list of nations presents the final destination of these refugees.

Receptive Nations List:
Western Asia
Arribastan
Miweenia
Agrigento
Aroha
Guanyu
East Islandia
Johnistan
Artitsia
Southern Manitoba
Free Rumania
Canada-Germany
TheRepublic
Mount Eagle
TheBerkshires

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OOC: How many refugees are there?

Free Rumania,
Tell Celeborne and he'll take them off of your hands.
09-10-2003, 04:08
God, I feel sorry for you friend. My offer for you to meet with me at New York City in the United Nations still stands.

Judge Bean
09-10-2003, 04:10
Allagash State can provide 100,000 troops if a War with Camdeane Nazis breaks out.
09-10-2003, 04:13
Cape Saint James can handle 550,000 Jews. You cannot oppose the world. Drop your uncivilized laws at once.
09-10-2003, 04:21
Send the Jews to Knight Inlet, We will allow them to live in peace and freedom. Something not found in Nazi Camdean
09-10-2003, 06:14
Dudley Town extends welcome to those who have fled tyranny in Camdean. You will find that we do not hold religion against you and infact Religion is our number one freedom in our Constitution.

Camdean, we stand ready to provide assistance to the World, Should the World declare war on you. Until that day happens, we join any blockades of your nation.
Western Asia
09-10-2003, 07:00
OOC: It should be noted that standard WA practice is to provide a period during and shortly after the evacuation of refugees in which the effecting nation is protected by WA forces. People need to realize that, while Camdean's policies may be eccentric and possibly dangerous, it is a good step to save the people endangered.

Once the endangered have been saved peacefully, there is little reason to wage war.
Iuthia
09-10-2003, 10:35
We are perfectly happy to allow any evicted Jews into our nation; they will be treated just like everyone else. This said we expect that any of them wanting citizenship will have to go through the same process that everyone else goes through; two years of military service plus a further one year of probationary citizenship.

Before I get any complaints, it doesn’t make a difference if immigrants are pacifist or whatever, it is part of the Iuthian culture and it is the only way that we know someone is going to be a good citizen… by putting them through service and training them the Iuthian way. If Yevon’s missionaries are willing to go through it and become field medics on their last year then I think that every other immigrant should be able to. The only people exempt from compulsory military service are children and pregnant mothers to be (both will do it at a later stage).

Our native citizens join the military for a while, so we expect anyone who wants to claim citizenship to do the same.

Feel free to add Iuthia to the list of nations willing to except the banned peoples of Camdean. However, Iuthia will not be involved in any military action or sanctions against Camdean unless they commit a crime against humanity*.

We would like to add at this time that Iuthia doesn’t feel that Camdean’s actions warrant war. If he was openly trying to kill the Jewish Race, then yes, we would see that as a good reason for other nations to go to war. However, people should be concentrating on support for evicted Jews and not concentrating on bombing Camdean and forcing him to take a more vicious approach. I’d rather see people go to war for a better reason then this.

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia


* I decide on what I consider a crime against humanity.
Pwnica
09-10-2003, 10:41
Pwnica will also accept anyone that Camdean throws out, they will be given the same rights, entitled to the same jobs, etc.

Signed,
Xavier Methnor, Prime Minister of Pwnica
09-10-2003, 12:02
Would you rather they have the civilized law of deporting jews, or the uncivilized act of slaughtering them in secret?
Jeruselem
09-10-2003, 14:42
We thank the following nations for helping our exiles and expatriates from the situation on Camdean. If you have any doubt about the identity of a Jew, please do not hesitate to contact our Ministry for Population
Management and security forces.

Western Asia
Arribastan
Miweenia
Agrigento
Aroha
Guanyu
East Islandia
Johnistan
Artitsia
Southern Manitoba
Free Rumania
Canada-Germany
TheRepublic
Mount Eagle

Free Rumania, does your request for "the hot ones" suggest a shortage of females in your country or are you adding to a new harem?

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
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Iuthia
09-10-2003, 15:13
OOC: I’m surprised none of them are moving to Iuthia, while military service sounds bad, we have got the 450th most happiest people in Nation States… it goes to show that giving them complete freedom in all areas except politically makes them pretty damn happy.

Of course, with Iuthia’s 18’990’000 Jews (or 1.5% percent of the population) their people obviously don’t have any connections within my nation.

Basically put, Iuthia is a very free nation. The price of living in Iuthia is simple: Join the military, stick it out for two years (you can do the second year as a field medic or technician if you don’t like killing) then you have to have one year of probationary citizenship. If you check out ok, we let you stay and join the 1.266 billion happy people within Iuthia.

So am I helping these people or will they avoid Iuthia like the plague?
09-10-2003, 15:39
God, I feel sorry for you friend. My offer for you to meet with me at New York City in the United Nations still stands.

Judge Bean

I will meet with you my friend, just name a time and place..
09-10-2003, 15:42
Would you rather they have the civilized law of deporting jews, or the uncivilized act of slaughtering them in secret?

My friend, Attican,

Hitler was unable to keep secret his butcher of the Jews for long. Camdean would not had either. And when the diobotical act would had been revealed, the entire world would declare war on him. Unless Camdean reverses its bizzare policy, I expect the world will declare war and Camdean cannot escape this fate.

My offer to Camdean to come to New York City and talk this over still stands.

Judge Bean
09-10-2003, 15:44
To try and force me to pray to a Jew, who absoutely nobody knew..

This is the end real and role, for this evil has taken its tole..

If i could stop it i wouldn't, as their pushing the bible they shouldn't..

Only i decide what my lands do, the jews and bible followers dont have a clue..

What really happens after death, they think theres nothing left..

We come back to learn even more, thats what its about knowing the score.. :wink:
09-10-2003, 15:45
God, I feel sorry for you friend. My offer for you to meet with me at New York City in the United Nations still stands.

Judge Bean

I will meet with you my friend, just name a time and place..

New York City, United Nations Building in 6 hours (I expect that is how long it will take you to fly there. I have already ordered up my 747 to take me to New York City from Fort Smith, our captial) There will be three United Nations Experts with me. You can bring three representaties from nations that favior you. Then just tell me why you feel so compelled to squash the humanine rights of the Jews.

Judge Bean
09-10-2003, 15:46
To try and force me to pray to a Jew, who absoutely nobody knew..

This is the end real and role, for this evil has taken its tole..

If i could stop it i wouldn't, as their pushing the bible they shouldn't..

Only i decide what my lands do, the jews and bible followers dont have a clue..

What really happens after death, they think theres nothing left..

We come back to learn even more, thats what its about knowing the score.. :wink:

In the United Nations charter, it states that All have human rights. It does not name any one group. We hope you will arrive soon, I am off to New York. Cu there.

Judge Bean
09-10-2003, 15:47
God, I feel sorry for you friend. My offer for you to meet with me at New York City in the United Nations still stands.

Judge Bean

I will meet with you my friend, just name a time and place..

New York City, United Nations Building in 6 hours (I expect that is how long it will take you to fly there. I have already ordered up my 747 to take me to New York City from Fort Smith, our captial) There will be three United Nations Experts with me. You can bring three representaties from nations that favior you. Then just tell me why you feel so compelled to squash the humanine rights of the Jews.

Judge Bean

Im on my way, we will be able to discuss this matter with extreme caution, as ive allready noticed no one can accept that we dont want this Bible in our lands, cursing our people of their dreams, We just wont have it im afraid...
09-10-2003, 15:50
The Great and mighty American Empire salutes the World.

We stand ready to give assistance to the Whole World against Nazi Camdean. We will also provide a home for the Jews and any other oppressed peoples from the evil nation of Camdean.

Emperor Mark Twain
American Empire.
09-10-2003, 15:53
Pamiristan is still waiting for a reply, Camdean. Do you also intend to cast out all peoples of Islamic fate? I remind you, such act would lead to Holy Jihad from all of Islam against Camdean.

Saladin
Pamiristan
09-10-2003, 16:03
Pamiristan is still waiting for a reply, Camdean. Do you also intend to cast out all peoples of Islamic fate? I remind you, such act would lead to Holy Jihad from all of Islam against Camdean.

Saladin
Pamiristan

All pressing religions who have hurt our people must leave NOW..

AS I SAID..

To try and force me to pray to a Jew, who absoutely nobody knew..

This is the end real and role, for this evil has taken its tole..

If i could stop it i wouldn't, as their pushing the bible they shouldn't..

Only i decide what my lands do, the jews and bible followers dont have a clue..

What really happens after death, they think theres nothing left..

We come back to learn even more, thats what its about knowing the score.. :wink:
09-10-2003, 16:14
All of Islam is called together to consider the matter of possiable Holy Jihad against this scurage of the Earth.

Saladin
09-10-2003, 16:17
Soviet Labador is Neutral in the possiable conflict between Camdean and the World.

To the World: Don't send your poor, tired and meek to us. Send them elsewhere.
09-10-2003, 16:21
All these young Nations don't really know whats going on..

O:N.M new Wizard..

" It seems to be underlined the fact that our tribes are older than this book and its glorious lies, we dont want to beleive in it, and our people are doing so good to keep their own real faith we dont have time for you anymore"
Iuthia
09-10-2003, 16:21
Ignored[/i]"]All of Islam is called together to consider the matter of possiable Holy Jihad against this scurage of the Earth.

INN News Feed: Iuthia’s Islamic community leader stated today:

“Pamiristan does not represent the whole Islamic community, and we condemn this so called Islamic nation for it’s war mongering that will claim many Jewish and Muslim lives if it is listened to. We suggest that all Muslim nations ignore them for their un-Islamic behaviour.
09-10-2003, 16:23
Judge Bean, in his cowboy hat and walking cain walked to the podium at the United Nations Building.

"Judge, can you tell us what you intend on doing here?" screamed a reporter.
"My intent is to talk with this fellow from Camdean. I hope I can convence him it is to his benefit to accept all peoples. And I will show him a video tape I got right here in me paw, that will show him how in the begining Hitler started out deporting the Jews, then it will show the escalation of Hitler's Actions. I hope this is my smoking gun to convence Camdean to reverse its policies"
"Judge, it looks like the world is about to go to war with Camdean, what is the position of the Federation of NOrth Arkansas"
"North Arkansas is trying to negociate an end to this crisis. That should be very clear."

Judge Bean hobbled into the United Nations building.
09-10-2003, 16:24
Ignored[/i]"]All of Islam is called together to consider the matter of possiable Holy Jihad against this scurage of the Earth.

INN News Feed: Iuthia’s Islamic community leader stated today:

“Pamiristan does not represent the whole Islamic community, and we condemn this so called Islamic nation for it’s war mongering that will claim many Jewish and Muslim lives if it is listened to. We suggest that all Muslim nations ignore them for their un-Islamic behaviour.

Real religions know their own boundaries, and it appauls me that people who claim to be religious are throwing all these false remarks around, especially ones invloving war !!!
09-10-2003, 16:29
Ignored[/i]"]All of Islam is called together to consider the matter of possiable Holy Jihad against this scurage of the Earth.

INN News Feed: Iuthia’s Islamic community leader stated today:

“Pamiristan does not represent the whole Islamic community, and we condemn this so called Islamic nation for it’s war mongering that will claim many Jewish and Muslim lives if it is listened to. We suggest that all Muslim nations ignore them for their un-Islamic behaviour.


Talking is not making war. If our faith is being harmed in Camdean, the islamic world needs to handle this. I will even make this bold statement. If the world rejects the call from Pamiristan, then Pamiristan stands aside and will allow others. Do not come crying to us when the first Islamic peoples reveal their grief and torment at the hands of Camdean. If the islamic world wants the assistance of Pamiristan, we are here and ready.

Saladin
09-10-2003, 16:31
Ignored[/i]"]All of Islam is called together to consider the matter of possiable Holy Jihad against this scurage of the Earth.

INN News Feed: Iuthia’s Islamic community leader stated today:

“Pamiristan does not represent the whole Islamic community, and we condemn this so called Islamic nation for it’s war mongering that will claim many Jewish and Muslim lives if it is listened to. We suggest that all Muslim nations ignore them for their un-Islamic behaviour.


Talking is not making war. If our faith is being harmed in Camdean, the islamic world needs to handle this. I will even make this bold statement. If the world rejects the call from Pamiristan, then Pamiristan stands aside and will allow others. Do not come crying to us when the first Islamic peoples reveal their grief and torment at the hands of Camdean. If the islamic world wants the assistance of Pamiristan, we are here and ready.

Saladin


What about my people who have had to handle torment in their own homes from your kind ?

Its their home not yours...
09-10-2003, 16:46
Tony Blair realesed this note today from his luxurious holiday he well deserved..

"I have this to say to all religions concerned with this ban in Camdean they know who they are..."

This is just a laugh..
-----------------------------
Christians aren't perfect

They just want you to be

-----------------------------



O:"Just for the record, if my religious people were in your country, and threatning your religous beleifs with force what would you do ?
We happen to beleive that our religous ways are a lot older are more practible than any clans concerned with this whole Bible situation, so we as the older civilisation hold the right to not have this generational barrier when practising our ways
Clairmont
09-10-2003, 16:50
OOC: Cant say i blame you Camdean, considering how religions have started more wars and bloodshed in real life than anything else.
09-10-2003, 16:56
O:Yeah its a pity people cant face the truth without a big hastle
09-10-2003, 16:57
IF you ban the Bible you will not beable to understand God's will better and you might go to hell for misunderstanding his will and i think that you didn't ask Jesus to come into your heart either so you won't beable to get into heaven unless you repent your sins and ask the lord to come into your heart
09-10-2003, 17:04
IF you ban the Bible you will not beable to understand God's will better and you might go to hell for misunderstanding his will and i think that you didn't ask Jesus to come into your heart either so you won't beable to get into heaven unless you repent your sins and ask the lord to come into your heart :lol:

Hehe, hope your joking pal..

We beleive we are re-born and we learn by our mistakes in one life, we pay for our errors in the next life..

It all makes sense in the end..
09-10-2003, 17:06
Choose your own path to dedicate to the Gods, do not turn upon the words of man which have changed so much. Religion does cause wars, pety squabbling turned into larger conflicts due to misunderstandings and hypocricies. INstead of banning the bible, consider dealing with the problems of people, teach them to listen and respect others views.

But I believe that the Bible is a restraint a great deal of the time...a tool to many evil men to grant themselves excuses.
09-10-2003, 17:07
OOC: Cant say i blame you Camdean, considering how religions have started more wars and bloodshed in real life than anything else.

Batavia opposes Camdean, not over religion. We are a Communist Nation and religion gets nothing from us. No tax break etc. However, strip the religion from the person and you have human beings. We object to Camdean because they have singled out these people only on their religion. There are far better ways of dealing with this than isoliating a single group of people. That would be as if I declared all people with the last name smith enemies of the state.

We welcome all Jews to the Soviet. We will treat you a lot better than Camdean will.
Socalist Peoples
09-10-2003, 17:09
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"
SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE
09-10-2003, 17:13
OOC: Cant say i blame you Camdean, considering how religions have started more wars and bloodshed in real life than anything else.

Batavia opposes Camdean, not over religion. We are a Communist Nation and religion gets nothing from us. No tax break etc. However, strip the religion from the person and you have human beings. We object to Camdean because they have singled out these people only on their religion. There are far better ways of dealing with this than isoliating a single group of people. That would be as if I declared all people with the last name smith enemies of the state.

We welcome all Jews to the Soviet. We will treat you a lot better than Camdean will.

O:N.M:-
If we do not remove the Jews our own ways are at stake, once we feel we can trust them we will allow some in, we feel they have comprimised the entire planet by creating a false legiment of fantasy to bring in a chance of settlement in every other Nation to secure their own, knowing fine well the story is a LIE..
09-10-2003, 17:19
OOC: Cant say i blame you Camdean, considering how religions have started more wars and bloodshed in real life than anything else.

Batavia opposes Camdean, not over religion. We are a Communist Nation and religion gets nothing from us. No tax break etc. However, strip the religion from the person and you have human beings. We object to Camdean because they have singled out these people only on their religion. There are far better ways of dealing with this than isoliating a single group of people. That would be as if I declared all people with the last name smith enemies of the state.

We welcome all Jews to the Soviet. We will treat you a lot better than Camdean will.

O:N.M:-
If we do not remove the Jews our own ways are at stake, once we feel we can trust them we will allow some in, we feel they have comprimised the entire planet by creating a false legiment of fantasy to bring in a chance of settlement in every other Nation to secure their own, knowing fine well the story is a LIE..

Camdean. The new age is here. All views are tollerated. Your nation is so full of hate and intollerance and so self centered that you are about to start a global world war.

All views are tollerated. Thank about this.

By the way, what is your last name?
Jeruselem
09-10-2003, 17:19
Camdean's argument is religion starts wars so the religions of the Old and New Testament must be banned. God made humans imperfect. Humans are the most destructive and dangerous creation of God and they will use any tool to their own advantage if they want to. The misuse of the Holy Books like the Torah, Bible and Koran by leaders is not uncommon.

It is us who is to blame especially the ones who seem maximum self-benefit at the cost of others. The answer is not intolerance, but understanding and tolerance of others.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg
Canada-Germany
09-10-2003, 17:20
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"
SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE

Semi-OOC: Well THAT was unhelpful.
09-10-2003, 17:23
Camdean's argument is religion starts wars so the religions of the Old and New Testament must be banned. God made humans imperfect. Humans are the most destructive and dangerous creation of God and they will use any tool to their own advantage if they want to. The misuse of the Holy Books like the Torah, Bible and Koran by leaders is not uncommon.

It is us who is to blame especially the ones who seem maximum self-benefit at the cost of others. The answer is not intolerance, but understanding and tolerance of others.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg

The Supreme Soviet extends Diplomatic Relations to the Queen of Jeruselem

President Malcom
President of the Supreme Soviet
President of the Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics
Jeruselem
09-10-2003, 17:23
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"
SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE

Semi-OOC: Well THAT was unhelpful.

Well, his opinion is clear. :P
09-10-2003, 17:25
The region of Camdean containing 5 Nations today banned all Jews from entering the country, this law had to be laid after the 4 year war to rid the land of jews and their tricky book the Bible, Head of affairs N.M had this to say:-

"We have banished these control freaks from our lands they can longer have a hold on our society and its dreams"
SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE

Semi-OOC: Well THAT was unhelpful.

The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics wishes to extend Diplomatic relations to Canada-Germany

President Malcom
09-10-2003, 17:26
Camdean's argument is religion starts wars so the religions of the Old and New Testament must be banned. God made humans imperfect. Humans are the most destructive and dangerous creation of God and they will use any tool to their own advantage if they want to. The misuse of the Holy Books like the Torah, Bible and Koran by leaders is not uncommon.

It is us who is to blame especially the ones who seem maximum self-benefit at the cost of others. The answer is not intolerance, but understanding and tolerance of others.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg

O:N.MWe cant tolerate younger civilisations shouting the name of war, nearly causing our Nation to be wiped out, when quite clearly it is them with the problem, Our older ways are to be kind to others we do not want to harm any other people or their beleifs..
09-10-2003, 17:29
Camdean's argument is religion starts wars so the religions of the Old and New Testament must be banned. God made humans imperfect. Humans are the most destructive and dangerous creation of God and they will use any tool to their own advantage if they want to. The misuse of the Holy Books like the Torah, Bible and Koran by leaders is not uncommon.

It is us who is to blame especially the ones who seem maximum self-benefit at the cost of others. The answer is not intolerance, but understanding and tolerance of others.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg

O:N.MWe cant tolerate younger civilisations shouting the name of war, nearly causing our Nation to be wiped out, when quite clearly it is them with the problem, Our older ways are to be kind to others we do not want to harm any other people or their beleifs..

You are so full of indecision. One moment you want to wipe out the Jews the next you are saying you wish no harm to any people or their Beliefs. Besides the oldest institution is Communism.

President Malcom
Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics
Jeruselem
09-10-2003, 17:31
Camdean's argument is religion starts wars so the religions of the Old and New Testament must be banned. God made humans imperfect. Humans are the most destructive and dangerous creation of God and they will use any tool to their own advantage if they want to. The misuse of the Holy Books like the Torah, Bible and Koran by leaders is not uncommon.

It is us who is to blame especially the ones who seem maximum self-benefit at the cost of others. The answer is not intolerance, but understanding and tolerance of others.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg

O:N.MWe cant tolerate younger civilisations shouting the name of war, nearly causing our Nation to be wiped out, when quite clearly it is them with the problem, Our older ways are to be kind to others we do not want to harm any other people or their beleifs..

Shouting the name of war? Where did I declare war or hostilities? I hope you are not asserting your religion is superior because your religion is older. He respect Hindus and Buddhists which have a older history.
09-10-2003, 17:31
Camdean's argument is religion starts wars so the religions of the Old and New Testament must be banned. God made humans imperfect. Humans are the most destructive and dangerous creation of God and they will use any tool to their own advantage if they want to. The misuse of the Holy Books like the Torah, Bible and Koran by leaders is not uncommon.

It is us who is to blame especially the ones who seem maximum self-benefit at the cost of others. The answer is not intolerance, but understanding and tolerance of others.

Queen of Jeruselem
Keeper of the Holy Lands
http://www.whoosh.org/issue28/direct/penelope.jpg

O:N.MWe cant tolerate younger civilisations shouting the name of war, nearly causing our Nation to be wiped out, when quite clearly it is them with the problem, Our older ways are to be kind to others we do not want to harm any other people or their beleifs..

You are so full of indecision. One moment you want to wipe out the Jews the next you are saying you wish no harm to any people or their Beliefs. Besides the oldest institution is Communism.

President Malcom
Batavian Soviet Socialist Republics

There it is again, stop putting words into my mouth, i never said once i was goin to wipe out the Jews

PROOF????

This is a farce, people allways trying to put a tag on us when we show our selves, we are older listen to us...
Iuthia
09-10-2003, 17:54
Ignored n00b[/i]"]SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE

OOC: I'm adding you to my ignored list, I ain't in the mood for n00b flaming today. Though I find it odd that you would want to have him suck you off... don't you hate him or do I mis-understand?

There it is again, stop putting words into my mouth, I never said once i was goin to wipe out the Jews

PROOF????

This is a farce, people allways trying to put a tag on us when we show our selves, we are older listen to us...

IC:

They have never said they were going to kill them, otherwise I would of objected personally. They said they're going to ban Jews, which is a little racist and a little silly but I am hardly going to do anything about it, it's his nation and I don't have a say over what goes on there.

What is annoying me is that tons of new nations and old nations were threatening war becuase of this, not realising that it is one of the stupidest ways to deal with it that there is. Think about it, you are trying to save lives (though they are not in danger) by killing lots of people in a pointless war.

Anyone who threatens to use Nuclear Weapons over this has and will be Black Listed as a dangerous nation that will never be allowed to deal with Iuthia again until they have proven they aren't a danger to the planet, becuase you could insult their donkey and they would "n00kz joo" over it.

If they starts killing Jew (which he hasn't) then feel free to go to war with him becuase thats when I add them to my Black List... otherwise try and be reasonable and convince their nation that what they are doing is wrong.

Personally I condemn their actions and that will be it for now, if they wants rid themselves of Jews, I can support a large number of them and have them join the 18 million Jews Iuthia already has. I hope they are allowed to sell of any property they own and take with them all they can, so this can be as smooth as possible.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)


OOC: Learn the difference people, because he is doing this IC doesn't mean that he is a racist OOC.
Voleri
09-10-2003, 19:35
I will meet with you my friend, just name a time and place..

There will be three United Nations Experts with me. You can bring three representaties from nations that favior you.

President Oliver Marcus wishes to represent Voleri at the meeting on the side of Camdean.
09-10-2003, 21:28
Ignored n00b[/i]"]SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE

OOC: I'm adding you to my ignored list, I ain't in the mood for n00b flaming today. Though I find it odd that you would want to have him suck you off... don't you hate him or do I mis-understand?

There it is again, stop putting words into my mouth, I never said once i was goin to wipe out the Jews

PROOF????

This is a farce, people allways trying to put a tag on us when we show our selves, we are older listen to us...

IC:

They have never said they were going to kill them, otherwise I would of objected personally. They said they're going to ban Jews, which is a little racist and a little silly but I am hardly going to do anything about it, it's his nation and I don't have a say over what goes on there.

What is annoying me is that tons of new nations and old nations were threatening war becuase of this, not realising that it is one of the stupidest ways to deal with it that there is. Think about it, you are trying to save lives (though they are not in danger) by killing lots of people in a pointless war.

Anyone who threatens to use Nuclear Weapons over this has and will be Black Listed as a dangerous nation that will never be allowed to deal with Iuthia again until they have proven they aren't a danger to the planet, becuase you could insult their donkey and they would "n00kz joo" over it.

If they starts killing Jew (which he hasn't) then feel free to go to war with him becuase thats when I add them to my Black List... otherwise try and be reasonable and convince their nation that what they are doing is wrong.

Personally I condemn their actions and that will be it for now, if they wants rid themselves of Jews, I can support a large number of them and have them join the 18 million Jews Iuthia already has. I hope they are allowed to sell of any property they own and take with them all they can, so this can be as smooth as possible.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)


OOC: Learn the difference people, because he is doing this IC doesn't mean that he is a racist OOC.

O:Tony Blair
"Camdean can promise all nations that not one single Jew has been mis-treated when they leave the borders of Camdean feel free to ask them, we also asked them to make a video journal as we knew people would slam us, or try to pin something on us"
09-10-2003, 22:23
O:- At that Mr.Blair returns home from holiday

"Now we can concentrate on the space program we are starting"
09-10-2003, 22:26
OK, I only read the first few posts... but why on earth would you nuke a nation to change their government? You don't free a nation by destroying everyone in it :)
Iuthia
09-10-2003, 22:42
O:Tony Blair
"Camdean can promise all nations that not one single Jew has been mis-treated when they leave the borders of Camdean feel free to ask them, we also asked them to make a video journal as we knew people would slam us, or try to pin something on us"

OOC: Seeing as it is your nation, could you give me an idea of how many Jews we have to re-home and where they would prefer to go... I think there is a list on this thread with the names of the nations.

A simpler way would be to post how many we each have to house, that way it shouldn't be too many and we can change it ourselves depending on the availablity to house these people.
09-10-2003, 22:59
Ignored n00b[/i]"]SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE

OOC: I'm adding you to my ignored list, I ain't in the mood for n00b flaming today. Though I find it odd that you would want to have him suck you off... don't you hate him or do I mis-understand?

There it is again, stop putting words into my mouth, I never said once i was goin to wipe out the Jews

PROOF????

This is a farce, people allways trying to put a tag on us when we show our selves, we are older listen to us...

IC:

They have never said they were going to kill them, otherwise I would of objected personally. They said they're going to ban Jews, which is a little racist and a little silly but I am hardly going to do anything about it, it's his nation and I don't have a say over what goes on there.

What is annoying me is that tons of new nations and old nations were threatening war becuase of this, not realising that it is one of the stupidest ways to deal with it that there is. Think about it, you are trying to save lives (though they are not in danger) by killing lots of people in a pointless war.

Anyone who threatens to use Nuclear Weapons over this has and will be Black Listed as a dangerous nation that will never be allowed to deal with Iuthia again until they have proven they aren't a danger to the planet, becuase you could insult their donkey and they would "n00kz joo" over it.

If they starts killing Jew (which he hasn't) then feel free to go to war with him becuase thats when I add them to my Black List... otherwise try and be reasonable and convince their nation that what they are doing is wrong.

Personally I condemn their actions and that will be it for now, if they wants rid themselves of Jews, I can support a large number of them and have them join the 18 million Jews Iuthia already has. I hope they are allowed to sell of any property they own and take with them all they can, so this can be as smooth as possible.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)


OOC: Learn the difference people, because he is doing this IC doesn't mean that he is a racist OOC.

O:Tony Blair
"Camdean can promise all nations that not one single Jew has been mis-treated when they leave the borders of Camdean feel free to ask them, we also asked them to make a video journal as we knew people would slam us, or try to pin something on us"



You have harmed the Jews already by forcing them out of their homes that have been in their families for centuries. This is inhumane. People have the right to live where they please.

Soon, the world will deal with you.

The Supreme Soviet
09-10-2003, 23:00
Ignored n00b[/i]"]SUCK IT LONG AND SUCK IT HARD YOU FILTHY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC ASSHOLE

OOC: I'm adding you to my ignored list, I ain't in the mood for n00b flaming today. Though I find it odd that you would want to have him suck you off... don't you hate him or do I mis-understand?

There it is again, stop putting words into my mouth, I never said once i was goin to wipe out the Jews

PROOF????

This is a farce, people allways trying to put a tag on us when we show our selves, we are older listen to us...

IC:

They have never said they were going to kill them, otherwise I would of objected personally. They said they're going to ban Jews, which is a little racist and a little silly but I am hardly going to do anything about it, it's his nation and I don't have a say over what goes on there.

What is annoying me is that tons of new nations and old nations were threatening war becuase of this, not realising that it is one of the stupidest ways to deal with it that there is. Think about it, you are trying to save lives (though they are not in danger) by killing lots of people in a pointless war.

Anyone who threatens to use Nuclear Weapons over this has and will be Black Listed as a dangerous nation that will never be allowed to deal with Iuthia again until they have proven they aren't a danger to the planet, becuase you could insult their donkey and they would "n00kz joo" over it.

If they starts killing Jew (which he hasn't) then feel free to go to war with him becuase thats when I add them to my Black List... otherwise try and be reasonable and convince their nation that what they are doing is wrong.

Personally I condemn their actions and that will be it for now, if they wants rid themselves of Jews, I can support a large number of them and have them join the 18 million Jews Iuthia already has. I hope they are allowed to sell of any property they own and take with them all they can, so this can be as smooth as possible.

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OOC: Learn the difference people, because he is doing this IC doesn't mean that he is a racist OOC.

O:Tony Blair
"Camdean can promise all nations that not one single Jew has been mis-treated when they leave the borders of Camdean feel free to ask them, we also asked them to make a video journal as we knew people would slam us, or try to pin something on us"



You have harmed the Jews already by forcing them out of their homes that have been in their families for centuries. This is inhumane. People have the right to live where they please.

Soon, the world will deal with you.

The Supreme Soviet
09-10-2003, 23:14
The Rocky Mountains Breaks Diplomatic Relations with Camdean. We can take as many of the Outcast Jews as possiable.
09-10-2003, 23:18
Bannf is more than happy to take any refugee's. And when the World Declares War on Camdean, Bannf will be there helping with its mighty army and Navy.
Iuthia
09-10-2003, 23:29
You have harmed the Jews already by forcing them out of their homes that have been in their families for centuries. This is inhumane. People have the right to live where they please.

Soon, the world will deal with you.

The Supreme Soviet

We are dealing with this peacefully BatavianSSR and I would be happy if you would kindly stop warmongering in a warped attempt to save Jewish lives.

If you go to war with him you will have effectively started a premptive war on the grounds that you do not like his prejudiced treatment of certain humans. If you can use that excuse to go to war, it's only a couple of steps for you to say that "Iuthia is harming human rights by not letting it's people vote".

Which means you are a danger to me becuase of your eagerness to get your men killed in a war about a relativly small issue which is being handled.

Another interesting point would be that you are not gearing up to war with Sino, who is currently openly killing homosexuals who do not enter a "rehabilitation" program of his. This is a much worse human rights violation then Camdean's banishment of the Jewish population.

How about slaves? Many many nations have slaves... yet I don't see you fighting against that either.

No, you are simply looking for a fight and you are threatening Camdean becuase you feel you will have support.

I'll tell you this... I will protect Camdean for as long as it takes to evacuate the Jew population from his region. Simply becuase I fear that nations like your own will go to war branding the excuse that you are trying to save the Jews, when all you will be doing is pushing Camdean into a position where he may start taking Jewish prisoners in defence.

Of course, I doubt that you alone could seriously threaten Camdean on the whole, maybe you will do some damage, but you fleet would be destroyed seeing as his forces outnumber yours, not to mention his nation has the experience of age.

We are handling this situation. Stop your warmongering or I will be forced to position my forces to assist Camdean for as long as it takes to evacuate the Jewish people.

I still condemn his nation for the threatment of these people, but to be honest it's not my nation, all I can do is make sure that Camdean is reasonable (which he will be providing we don't get idiots attacking him) and re-home his people.

Camdean can make this situation a little better if the Jewish peoples property was valued and compensated so they have some monetry funds for their next lives in whatever nations will take them.

I am now moving a small convoy of ships to Camdean with minimal combat ready support. A couple frigates, three luxury cruiseships and a destroyer. They are no match for Camdeans forces, but if they get fired upon and we identify Camdean, we will go to war.

Lets do this right... no war, just aid.

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09-10-2003, 23:49
O:- Mr.Blair and N.M the new Wizard walk into the live confrence room, N.M begins to speak..

Thank you Iuthia for the support, you wont be forgoten by the whole of Camdean..

There are roughly 400 Jews to be re-homed, This ban will last 12 years unless stated by a member of the high council in Camdean.


OOC:- As for the n00b's threatning me, i'd wipe the floor with all of them, but that's outta the question.. No war :twisted:
10-10-2003, 00:03
You have harmed the Jews already by forcing them out of their homes that have been in their families for centuries. This is inhumane. People have the right to live where they please.

Soon, the world will deal with you.

The Supreme Soviet

We are dealing with this peacefully BatavianSSR and I would be happy if you would kindly stop warmongering in a warped attempt to save Jewish lives.

If you go to war with him you will have effectively started a premptive war on the grounds that you do not like his prejudiced treatment of certain humans. If you can use that excuse to go to war, it's only a couple of steps for you to say that "Iuthia is harming human rights by not letting it's people vote".

Which means you are a danger to me becuase of your eagerness to get your men killed in a war about a relativly small issue which is being handled.

Another interesting point would be that you are not gearing up to war with Sino, who is currently openly killing homosexuals who do not enter a "rehabilitation" program of his. This is a much worse human rights violation then Camdean's banishment of the Jewish population.

How about slaves? Many many nations have slaves... yet I don't see you fighting against that either.

No, you are simply looking for a fight and you are threatening Camdean becuase you feel you will have support.

I'll tell you this... I will protect Camdean for as long as it takes to evacuate the Jew population from his region. Simply becuase I fear that nations like your own will go to war branding the excuse that you are trying to save the Jews, when all you will be doing is pushing Camdean into a position where he may start taking Jewish prisoners in defence.

Of course, I doubt that you alone could seriously threaten Camdean on the whole, maybe you will do some damage, but you fleet would be destroyed seeing as his forces outnumber yours, not to mention his nation has the experience of age.

We are handling this situation. Stop your warmongering or I will be forced to position my forces to assist Camdean for as long as it takes to evacuate the Jewish people.

I still condemn his nation for the threatment of these people, but to be honest it's not my nation, all I can do is make sure that Camdean is reasonable (which he will be providing we don't get idiots attacking him) and re-home his people.

Camdean can make this situation a little better if the Jewish peoples property was valued and compensated so they have some monetry funds for their next lives in whatever nations will take them.

I am now moving a small convoy of ships to Camdean with minimal combat ready support. A couple frigates, three luxury cruiseships and a destroyer. They are no match for Camdeans forces, but if they get fired upon and we identify Camdean, we will go to war.

Lets do this right... no war, just aid.

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To make this right, you would stand against Nazi Camdean. It is wrong to force people from their homes. And The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republic will not start the war. But we will finish it.

Just so that you know, We do not have elections except of those candadites approved by the Supreme Soviet.

We remain perplexed as to how you can support such a mad nation. Your pretty sounding words are no excuse for Camdean's acts against his people. We will not be made to be in the wrong here. How can we be, since so many nations have now steped up to be heard and to sound against Camdean. Is Camdean ready to go to war with the world?

We too do not seek war. We however, seek an end to Camdean's Nazi policies.

President Malcom
Supreme Soviet.
10-10-2003, 00:03
You have harmed the Jews already by forcing them out of their homes that have been in their families for centuries. This is inhumane. People have the right to live where they please.

Soon, the world will deal with you.

The Supreme Soviet

We are dealing with this peacefully BatavianSSR and I would be happy if you would kindly stop warmongering in a warped attempt to save Jewish lives.

If you go to war with him you will have effectively started a premptive war on the grounds that you do not like his prejudiced treatment of certain humans. If you can use that excuse to go to war, it's only a couple of steps for you to say that "Iuthia is harming human rights by not letting it's people vote".

Which means you are a danger to me becuase of your eagerness to get your men killed in a war about a relativly small issue which is being handled.

Another interesting point would be that you are not gearing up to war with Sino, who is currently openly killing homosexuals who do not enter a "rehabilitation" program of his. This is a much worse human rights violation then Camdean's banishment of the Jewish population.

How about slaves? Many many nations have slaves... yet I don't see you fighting against that either.

No, you are simply looking for a fight and you are threatening Camdean becuase you feel you will have support.

I'll tell you this... I will protect Camdean for as long as it takes to evacuate the Jew population from his region. Simply becuase I fear that nations like your own will go to war branding the excuse that you are trying to save the Jews, when all you will be doing is pushing Camdean into a position where he may start taking Jewish prisoners in defence.

Of course, I doubt that you alone could seriously threaten Camdean on the whole, maybe you will do some damage, but you fleet would be destroyed seeing as his forces outnumber yours, not to mention his nation has the experience of age.

We are handling this situation. Stop your warmongering or I will be forced to position my forces to assist Camdean for as long as it takes to evacuate the Jewish people.

I still condemn his nation for the threatment of these people, but to be honest it's not my nation, all I can do is make sure that Camdean is reasonable (which he will be providing we don't get idiots attacking him) and re-home his people.

Camdean can make this situation a little better if the Jewish peoples property was valued and compensated so they have some monetry funds for their next lives in whatever nations will take them.

I am now moving a small convoy of ships to Camdean with minimal combat ready support. A couple frigates, three luxury cruiseships and a destroyer. They are no match for Camdeans forces, but if they get fired upon and we identify Camdean, we will go to war.

Lets do this right... no war, just aid.

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To make this right, you would stand against Nazi Camdean. It is wrong to force people from their homes. And The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republic will not start the war.

Just so that you know, We do not have elections except of those candadites approved by the Supreme Soviet.

We remain perplexed as to how you can support such a mad nation. Your pretty sounding words are no excuse for Camdean's acts against his people. We will not be made to be in the wrong here. How can we be, since so many nations have now steped up to be heard and to sound against Camdean. Is Camdean ready to go to war with the world?

We too do not seek war. We however, seek an end to Camdean's Nazi policies.

President Malcom
Supreme Soviet.
10-10-2003, 00:10
Nazism must be stamped out.

Send any mis-placed persons to us. We will gladly make them feel at home.

Someone should do something about Camdean.
10-10-2003, 00:32
I will meet with you my friend, just name a time and place..

There will be three United Nations Experts with me. You can bring three representaties from nations that favior you.

President Oliver Marcus wishes to represent Voleri at the meeting on the side of Camdean.

Very Good Mr. President. We await your arrival

Judge Bean
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 00:38
To make this right, you would stand against Nazi Camdean. It is wrong to force people from their homes. And The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republic will not start the war. But we will finish it.

Just so that you know, We do not have elections except of those candadites approved by the Supreme Soviet.

We remain perplexed as to how you can support such a mad nation. Your pretty sounding words are no excuse for Camdean's acts against his people. We will not be made to be in the wrong here. How can we be, since so many nations have now steped up to be heard and to sound against Camdean. Is Camdean ready to go to war with the world?

We too do not seek war. We however, seek an end to Camdean's Nazi policies.

Yet you continue to ignore my words. I don't like the fact that he is doing it, however I do not see any point in starting a war with a large nation over something which I can handle peacefully.

I do not support this nation, I support the peace. I have a peaceful solution to this issue and I am willing to defend the innocent Jews while I rehabilitate them. That is why I am willing to defend his nation. So you don't inadvertantly kill the Jews you want to "protect".

You know, all nations that have pledged forces for a conflict against Camdean have been added to the "Grey List" a list of nations I want to watch in case they are dangerous. Why? Well, you all seem so eager to go to war.

I will also repeat the part you conviently missed in my last communique:

Why do you want to go to war with Camdean when there are much much worse human rights abuses all over the world. Just look around, you know how many nations have shot peaceful protesters, killed innocent homosexuals and have had a policy of slavery? Tons. Go delcare war against someone who is actively killing their people, Camdean is currently not a threat, lots of other nations (see: Kahta - who was willing to use Nuclear weapons to save the Jews) are much more dangerous.

This issue is resolved, go and delcare war on another nation.


Camdean, I can take all 400 Jews of your hands and intergrate them into Iuthian society if thats what they want, I'm sure the Urbanites region will be willing to house them if they don't want to live in Iuthia. What's more I will fund a new life for them, giving them a great start to their new lives.

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10-10-2003, 00:55
To make this right, you would stand against Nazi Camdean. It is wrong to force people from their homes. And The Batavian Soviet Socialist Republic will not start the war. But we will finish it.

Just so that you know, We do not have elections except of those candadites approved by the Supreme Soviet.

We remain perplexed as to how you can support such a mad nation. Your pretty sounding words are no excuse for Camdean's acts against his people. We will not be made to be in the wrong here. How can we be, since so many nations have now steped up to be heard and to sound against Camdean. Is Camdean ready to go to war with the world?

We too do not seek war. We however, seek an end to Camdean's Nazi policies.

Yet you continue to ignore my words. I don't like the fact that he is doing it, however I do not see any point in starting a war with a large nation over something which I can handle peacefully.

I do not support this nation, I support the peace. I have a peaceful solution to this issue and I am willing to defend the innocent Jews while I rehabilitate them. That is why I am willing to defend his nation. So you don't inadvertantly kill the Jews you want to "protect".

You know, all nations that have pledged forces for a conflict against Camdean have been added to the "Grey List" a list of nations I want to watch in case they are dangerous. Why? Well, you all seem so eager to go to war.

I will also repeat the part you conviently missed in my last communique:

Why do you want to go to war with Camdean when there are much much worse human rights abuses all over the world. Just look around, you know how many nations have shot peaceful protesters, killed innocent homosexuals and have had a policy of slavery? Tons. Go delcare war against someone who is actively killing their people, Camdean is currently not a threat, lots of other nations (see: Kahta - who was willing to use Nuclear weapons to save the Jews) are much more dangerous.

This issue is resolved, go and delcare war on another nation.


Camdean, I can take all 400 Jews of your hands and intergrate them into Iuthian society if thats what they want, I'm sure the Urbanites region will be willing to house them if they don't want to live in Iuthia. What's more I will fund a new life for them, giving them a great start to their new lives.


The issue is NOT RESOLVED. The Free world will be the one adding Iuthia to the grey list of nations to watch. I believe if I were you, I would be mighty afraid that the world would group your nation in with Camdean and declare war on the both of you. The World will come down upon you with a fire that you have never seen. To say that the issue is resolved is to say that Hitler was right in outcasting the Jews from Germany.

I suspect it will not be long before the entire world Declares war on Iuthia and Camdean. Oh... So sorry Iuthia, to prevent from being the target of the world, I would advise you to break relations with Nazi Camdean and get as far away from them as possiable. Soon, the world will not be able to tell Iuthia and Camdean apart.

One thing will stop the coming war. Camdean revokes the Nazi legislation and accepts the Jews back into their nation.,

As I said Before, Batavia will not start the war.

I have spoken

President Malcom
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 01:11
The issue is NOT RESOLVED. The Free world will be the one adding Iuthia to the grey list of nations to watch. I believe if I were you, I would be mighty afraid that the world would group your nation in with Camdean and declare war on the both of you. The World will come down upon you with a fire that you have never seen. To say that the issue is resolved is to say that Hitler was right in outcasting the Jews from Germany.

I suspect it will not be long before the entire world Declares war on Iuthia and Camdean. Oh... So sorry Iuthia, to prevent from being the target of the world, I would advise you to break relations with Nazi Camdean and get as far away from them as possiable. Soon, the world will not be able to tell Iuthia and Camdean apart.

The world will declare war on me?

[James deGritz takes a moment to laugh to himself in a rude and loud fashion]

Oh mercy... so far all I have seen is a bunch of small nations pledging to join in any war which may be started. A war you seem to want to happen so badly.

I think I can safely say that the world (77'500 individual nations) will not declare war on me, maybe two, three small nations perhaps.

You say you are doing this to help the Jewish people? Yet I don't see aid coming from your nation... funny that, all you seem to promise is action, yet you don't seem to be prepared to assist in the aid.

I think I'll up your status to "Black List" and I will begin to enforce a economic boycot of your nation, I will not buy any of your products nor will I allow your people in my nation, you will never get assistance from Iuthia and we will shun you at political functions.

You obvicously don't care about continuing a state of peace. Seeing as Camdean will no longer have Jews to ban once I've evacuated them, any war would be pointless.

Go and act against nations that are actually killing their peoples. Or stand down and prove you are not a warmongerer.

I can garentee that any war you people start against Iuthia will be illigitimate and I will recieve support from my Alliences if need be...

[chuckles...] The whole world against me... most of the world has much worst human rights then Camdean...

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10-10-2003, 03:16
Iuthia,

In my talks, I hope to convence Camdean that they must allow the Jews to remain. You however, are not helping the matter by encouraging Camdean to continue following their draconian rule.

I will not support you in your blockade of Batavia. Instead, you might consider that some of the nations who have spoken out against Camdean are 2.5 billion population nations. A couple of those and all the rest and Camdean has real problems.

Iuthia you can do a lot more to stop Camdean from driving out the jews. A whole lot more.

Also, didn't Batavia say they have parked some military hardware off the shore of Camdean? I think that is helping quite a lot.

Judge Bean
Acting Authory, Federation of North Arkansas,
United Nations Building
New York City.
10-10-2003, 03:20
A fellow wearing thick glasses steps to the podium in the Press Room at the United Nations...

"This is a summary of Day one of the negociations between Camdean and the Federation of North Arkansas.

Due to thick fog at JFK and all other NYC Airports, The Leaders of Camdean have been slightly delayed so the others discussed tactics that will be used to speak with Camdean. The Video evidence was discussed and several Jewish scolars have been consulted. Then the Meeting adjurned till tommorow. This occured at 9:30AM Eastern Time

Thank you"

The fellow wearing thick glasses left the room
Western Asia
10-10-2003, 05:08
OOC: If anyone would declare war on Iuthia for negotiating then they'd probably like to declare war on me as well... :lol: :roll:
10-10-2003, 05:30
Why does Camadean want to kick the Jews out of the Nation? The Bible was written by Christans, and I myself being an OOC: Jew, I can say that the Jewish TORAH is mainly about laws of Jews to Jews, and Jews don't really harm a nation. Jews are some of the best traders in the world, so if there are Jews, you will have good economy.

The Arab of Politics
10-10-2003, 06:22
The Protectorate of Grotia is appalled at these talks of genocide, racism and ethnic cleansing. Any attempt to force any people of faith from their homes will be seen as an act contrary to the UN.

We are fighting one group of terrorists over religion; we can certainly take more on.

Bombers on standby...subs loading torpedoes...

Sore Knees
Minister of Religion and Cults
Protectorate of Grotia
10-10-2003, 06:49
Why does Camadean want to kick the Jews out of the Nation? The Bible was written by Christans, and I myself being an OOC: Jew, I can say that the Jewish TORAH is mainly about laws of Jews to Jews, and Jews don't really harm a nation. Jews are some of the best traders in the world, so if there are Jews, you will have good economy.

The Arab of Politics

That is why we have summoned the leader of Camdean to New York City. We are horrified that this nation wants to perform another Hitler Type stunt. It is bizzare that this nation feels that the Jews wrote the entire bible. You sir, have corrected that. There are numerous nations lineing up incase a war breaks out. Many are small but about 3-4 are over 1.2 billion population. I would hope that Camdean would note this and suspend their draconian law. We hope to suggest other alternatives to Camdean.

Judge Bean
Temparoly Authority
Federation of North Arkansas
10-10-2003, 07:07
The people of Miweenia will happily relocate all jews native to Camdean, unless they state otherwise, effective as soon as our moving operations are cleared past the Camdean border.

We will spread these people among the friendly countries, per the desires of the individuals involved.

We will maintain diplomatic and trade relations with Camdean. Further actions will be considered with scrutiny.

"From an internal communique - passed on to Camdean via diplomatic channels."
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 08:38
The Protectorate of Grotia is appalled at these talks of genocide, racism and ethnic cleansing. Any attempt to force any people of faith from their homes will be seen as an act contrary to the UN.

We are fighting one group of terrorists over religion; we can certainly take more on.

Bombers on standby...subs loading torpedoes...

OOC:

First point - The UN can't do squat, if you want to make a resolution to force UN nation to war... feel free, but it isn't going to get you anywhere.

Second Point - He's not talking about genocide or ethnic cleansing. He's talking about eviction.

Third Point - So far he isn't doing anything my nation see's as a threat, but if he invades another country (like poland :roll: ) or if he actually starts killing Jew then I will happily step aside and let the Warmongerers do their thing.

Forth Point - I really doubt that any nation I've seen is 2.5 billion on it's own. Most of the bigger nations are not actually threatening force, but are instead offering support for all the Jews which are currently being re-homed. If you are using the list posted earlier, that is for aiding the Jewish people, not starting a war that may kill them.

Fifth Point - If I was a Jew being kicked out, I would rather have a nice lum sum and a new home then go back to a nation which has been forced to take me.

Sixith Point - I have never condoned what Camdean is doing, however should anyone declare war on Iuthia, I can garantee that I will be back by large alliences of nations close to my size (1.266 Billion). My nation is surrounded my allies except on the east, which is sea. I even have a map which shows all the nations near me, basically any invasion against Iuthia would fail without massive numbers.

Seventh Point - I've seen much much worst human rights abuses then Camdeans, which can be absorbed without any real damage. I find it odd that nations are willing to go to war (an expenisve and costly affair when fighting a nation almost three times the size of the US) when becuase they, in a racist manner, kicked out 400 Jews which are now getting better lives in the Urbanites region. You won't save anyone, you'll just kill Camdeans people as well as your own.

This is OOC becuase as a nation I'm getting tired of the crap that is being said, people continue to think Camdean is killing Jews when he isn't. Iuthia is just going to do what it thinks is right and then maybe talk with Camdean in more equal terms, seeing as I am being reasonable, maybe we can work something out and get to the bottom fo this... you are all to quick to jump to "Nazi" claims, but personally I don't think it's got that bad, it's just ulgy racism as far as I'm concerned and you don't kill racists, you educate them to stop them from being racists.

I know Neo-Earth isn't going to go to war unless Camdean does something dumb though, so don't count him in your figures.
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 09:17
The people of Miweenia will happily relocate all jews native to Camdean, unless they state otherwise, effective as soon as our moving operations are cleared past the Camdean border.

Seeing as their are only 400 jews, we feel that it shouldn't be a problem deport them and allow them citizenship within our own nation. I am already preparing Aid funds to assist them in their new life in whatever country they should choose... I doubt any of them will choose Camdean however.

Please TM me if you would like to co-ordinate this better, or simply show up and take some of the evicted, either way I don't mind. It's nice to see a nation willing to assist in relocating these people without resorting to war.

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Iuthia
10-10-2003, 09:24
I will not support you in your blockade of Batavia.

OOC: Please pay attnetion to my words. I am not blockading Batavia. A "Economic Boycot" simply means I will not trade with him or deal with him economically... or put in a simpler way: I am boycoting Batavia for it's warmongerering threats.

So far Iuthia has only moved a small defence force around a convoy of ships which are going to Camdeam to evacuate the Jewish Population. If you want to shoot on them and cause the biggest war you will ever have, feel free.
10-10-2003, 12:55
Why does Camadean want to kick the Jews out of the Nation? The Bible was written by Christans, and I myself being an OOC: Jew, I can say that the Jewish TORAH is mainly about laws of Jews to Jews, and Jews don't really harm a nation. Jews are some of the best traders in the world, so if there are Jews, you will have good economy.

The Arab of Politics


Like putting these words into my mouth do you ?

Your a big wooden spoon trying to get me into trouble aren't you ???????
10-10-2003, 12:57
Why does Camadean want to kick the Jews out of the Nation? The Bible was written by Christans, and I myself being an OOC: Jew, I can say that the Jewish TORAH is mainly about laws of Jews to Jews, and Jews don't really harm a nation. Jews are some of the best traders in the world, so if there are Jews, you will have good economy.

The Arab of Politics

We have looked over all evidence, it all points to the time of Roman rule, when suddenly they claimed to the Celts (our tribes) that God had been born, and people must follow this rule ..

My educated guess = Jewlius Caeser
10-10-2003, 12:57
Why does Camadean want to kick the Jews out of the Nation? The Bible was written by Christans, and I myself being an OOC: Jew, I can say that the Jewish TORAH is mainly about laws of Jews to Jews, and Jews don't really harm a nation. Jews are some of the best traders in the world, so if there are Jews, you will have good economy.

The Arab of Politics

We have looked over all evidence, it all points to the time of Roman rule, when suddenly they claimed to the Celts (our tribes) that God had been born, and people must follow this rule ..

My educated guess = Jewlius Caeser
10-10-2003, 16:50
OOC - Iuthia - moving people based on race, creed or color IS classified as ethnic cleansing under such laws passed by the International Court of Human Rights.

By the way, remember...bluster can sometimes work. I know I am small, but my bark may - or may not be - worse than my bite.

Perhaps what we are seeing is a nerve in some people. Some things are beyond joking these days.

I will now withdraw from this thread.

Thank you for your points earlier. They were well said.
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 17:04
OOC - Iuthia - moving people based on race, creed or color IS classified as ethnic cleansing under such laws passed by the International Court of Human Rights.

OOC: As far as I know, International Courts of Human Rights don't exist for none UN nations. Mainly because of the amount of evil nations in NS that would destroy them for being a threat. Alot of big nations in NS do much worse things then rid themselves of a race, like killing them.

I don't stop them myself becuase of the amount of death I would have to cause to stop it all... and I'd be nuked into the ground before I even finished with the first nation. In this situation I am dealing with it without resorting to violence becuase I know how quick something like this will escalate into a big war and Camdean may have allies you don't know about... I know I have lots of big allies no one knows about, but I don't really get to call for their help unless someone does something stupid.

I respect that you are pulling out of this, you no doubt have your own reasons and I'm ok with it, I just want peolpe to understand that to stop Camdean they would have to kill alot of people, which to me is worst then just absorbing the damage and condemning Camdean.
10-10-2003, 17:18
The people of Miweenia will happily relocate all jews native to Camdean, unless they state otherwise, effective as soon as our moving operations are cleared past the Camdean border.

Seeing as their are only 400 jews, we feel that it shouldn't be a problem deport them and allow them citizenship within our own nation. I am already preparing Aid funds to assist them in their new life in whatever country they should choose... I doubt any of them will choose Camdean however.

Please TM me if you would like to co-ordinate this better, or simply show up and take some of the evicted, either way I don't mind. It's nice to see a nation willing to assist in relocating these people without resorting to war.


Just felt like moving this along a bit... get the trucks there, load up those that are going, and moving out. I realize there's a small number, but I also feel that we should give them (Camdean) the choice as to where they go, percentages, whatever.

Resorting to war in this situation would be pointless.
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 17:38
OOC: I've already posted that I am shiping over a small convoy of ships to pick up the evicted Jewish people. Camdean, could you post:

1. Confirmation that we are cleared for pick up.

2. Give a general idea of where they would prefer to go.

3. Anything else that is relevent, like how much things they were aloud to take with them and if they were compensated for their lost property while moving.
10-10-2003, 17:45
OCC:

I don't even believe some people :shock:
Kormanthor
10-10-2003, 18:21
Camdean we of Kormanthor would like to offer the Jews in Question
a Perminent Home here. If this is agreeable we will made arrangements
for transportantion. We see no need for hostilities to start over this.

King Meteo II
Kormanthor
10-10-2003, 18:24
Iuthia we stand ready to help these people in what ever way is needed.

King Meteo II
10-10-2003, 20:40
Camdean aparently has no reason for doing this. Jews have never gone to war, exept when provoked, and in Rome, there was a REVOLT against ROMANS because the Romans were forcing Jews to convert to their own religion. There is only 1 god in Jewish religion, so they didn't want to convert to a false religion. Then the Romans said convert or die, so the Jews revolted. There was nothing to do with Celts (except mabye Celtic Romans).

The Arab of Politics
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 20:59
Camdean aparently has no reason for doing this. Jews have never gone to war, exept when provoked, and in Rome, there was a REVOLT against ROMANS because the Romans were forcing Jews to convert to their own religion. There is only 1 god in Jewish religion, so they didn't want to convert to a false religion. Then the Romans said convert or die, so the Jews revolted. There was nothing to do with Celts (except mabye Celtic Romans).

OOC: Look, he isn't doing this in the real world, he is doing this in the fake NS world which doesn't have the same history. He has already said something (I can't remeber) about why he is doing it as a nation. It's his nation, he doesn't need an excuse to do anything.

We know he is in the wrong, but the question is, what are you going to do about it?

Iuthia is helping those Jews flee his nation, becuase even if we do force him to change (which I won't) why would they want to go back? The feeling will still be there, even if he can't act upon them.

War will just harm all nations involved and will not solve anything, this needs to be peaceful. I know you haven't said your going to war, but I get the impression you are trying to make other mistunderstand the situation. We've argued that it's wrong, everyone agrees its bad, now we are doing something about it.
10-10-2003, 21:36
Removing any person against their will, is evil.

All negociations are off, I am going back to Fort Smith. My advice to the nations, get together. Ask yourselves, this. After he has committed ethinic cleansing, who will he go after next? And will he stick to his hot air about not going after anyone else?

The Federation of North Arkansas would like to assist the Jews by giving a 50 billion dollar Grant to their assistance. Our forces are always 2 days away from full mobilization. For now, we only do this, give money. We do join Florence Road's Economic boycott of Nazi Camdean. And that is all. But things can change.

Camdean, whatever happens next, You will had caused it.

Judge Bean
Iuthia
10-10-2003, 22:17
OOC: NorthArkansas, you can't afford 5 Billion USD, let alone 50 Billion USD. Here is your GDP calulation (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=NorthArkansas) for referance...

NorthArkansas Gross Domestic Product

Population: 140,000,000
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Imploded
GDP per Capita: $100
GDP: $14,000,000,000
National Budget: $1,625,484,000

Plus it isn't cheep to mobilise that very small military of yours.

IC:

General warning to all Nations concidering war:

Should any of Iuthia's vessals be targetted while we are evacuating the Jewish citizens, we will use overwhelming force in retaliation.

Otherwise we don't really care what happens to Camdean, just make sure you wait until after we have shipped all the Jewish people out of his nation.

We condemn any and all calls for war and ask you to look at the likely damage you will take to both your own soldiers as well as your economy.

If you are still concidering a war with Camdean, please will all nations willing to pledge troops post their intentions so that their is no confusion as to how many forces are involved. Seeing as most of you are small nations, you will need co-ordination, otherwise he will pick you off one by one.

Please, reconcided and ideas for a war. Peoples lives are at risk.

Again, Camdean has yet to do anything more then ban the Jewish religion. He hasn't killed anyone or invaded anyone and is simply doing a bad thing with his nation... we don't control his nations policies and I'm no imperialist nation... so I don't think I have the right to say what he can and can't do... but if he kills his people, then I will be happy to support economically any war against him.

However, he isn't and thus so far I will not take any action, economic or otherwise to stop him. I will simply start talks with his nation and relocate all banned Jews.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
11-10-2003, 00:16
OOC: NorthArkansas, you can't afford 5 Billion USD, let alone 50 Billion USD. Here is your GDP calulation (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=NorthArkansas) for referance...

NorthArkansas Gross Domestic Product

Population: 140,000,000
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Imploded
GDP per Capita: $100
GDP: $14,000,000,000
National Budget: $1,625,484,000

Plus it isn't cheep to mobilise that very small military of yours.

IC:

General warning to all Nations concidering war:

Should any of Iuthia's vessals be targetted while we are evacuating the Jewish citizens, we will use overwhelming force in retaliation.

Otherwise we don't really care what happens to Camdean, just make sure you wait until after we have shipped all the Jewish people out of his nation.

We condemn any and all calls for war and ask you to look at the likely damage you will take to both your own soldiers as well as your economy.

If you are still concidering a war with Camdean, please will all nations willing to pledge troops post their intentions so that their is no confusion as to how many forces are involved. Seeing as most of you are small nations, you will need co-ordination, otherwise he will pick you off one by one.

Please, reconcided and ideas for a war. Peoples lives are at risk.

Again, Camdean has yet to do anything more then ban the Jewish religion. He hasn't killed anyone or invaded anyone and is simply doing a bad thing with his nation... we don't control his nations policies and I'm no imperialist nation... so I don't think I have the right to say what he can and can't do... but if he kills his people, then I will be happy to support economically any war against him.

However, he isn't and thus so far I will not take any action, economic or otherwise to stop him. I will simply start talks with his nation and relocate all banned Jews.


OOC: The United States of America had 4.7 Million troops during the Vietnam War and they had 140,000,000 people. It seems that Nationstate is not very realistic in this aspect.

If we want to go into the red helping the jews so be it.

IC: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but hot air never ever hurt me.
11-10-2003, 00:20
OOC: Based upon the fact that the United States of America had 17 Million troops during World War 2 (Russia had nearly 25 million with population of 150,000,000) with a population of 128 million, The Federation of North Arkansas makes the following statement

IC:

If a war breaks out against Nazi Camdean, The Federation of North Arkansas could possiably provide the following, should we choose to intervene:

750,000 Troops. and equiptment.

If a war were to break out that is.

Judge Bean.
11-10-2003, 00:37
OOC: Hey Ithuia. How did you get that list of statistics for NorthArkansas. I am a nOOb, so I want to see my statistics. Please post a reply.

OOC: P.S. This sounds like a modern/early modern technology war. I am a future tech nation, so I can buy spaceships a bit smaller than the moon, and my soldiers are extremely advanced. Can I participate in this war, or should I just stay out of it, and make comments form the sidelines?
11-10-2003, 00:39
I still have yet to hear a feasable reason why Camdean is commiting ethnic cleansing.
11-10-2003, 00:42
Camdean aparently has no reason for doing this. Jews have never gone to war, exept when provoked, and in Rome, there was a REVOLT against ROMANS because the Romans were forcing Jews to convert to their own religion. There is only 1 god in Jewish religion, so they didn't want to convert to a false religion. Then the Romans said convert or die, so the Jews revolted. There was nothing to do with Celts (except mabye Celtic Romans).

OOC: Look, he isn't doing this in the real world, he is doing this in the fake NS world which doesn't have the same history. He has already said something (I can't remeber) about why he is doing it as a nation. It's his nation, he doesn't need an excuse to do anything.

We know he is in the wrong, but the question is, what are you going to do about it?

Iuthia is helping those Jews flee his nation, becuase even if we do force him to change (which I won't) why would they want to go back? The feeling will still be there, even if he can't act upon them.

War will just harm all nations involved and will not solve anything, this needs to be peaceful. I know you haven't said your going to war, but I get the impression you are trying to make other mistunderstand the situation. We've argued that it's wrong, everyone agrees its bad, now we are doing something about it.

I know that, but I was assuming that the history was the real world history (exept for the existing nations).
TOOL a HOO
11-10-2003, 00:42
Aroha condemns this action and, although a small country, will do its best to resettle refugees from your region.

TOOL a HOO also would like to invite as many of the Jew's and/or any other religous persons, who fear their right to exercise their faith in his/her own homeland.

Camdean, please take advantage of any invitations as such, from nations who will welcome your refugees.
11-10-2003, 00:42
I still have yet to hear a feasable reason why Camdean is commiting ethnic cleansing.

I wonder that also. Wise Arabs, you could send in low tech forces. That would work I suppose.
11-10-2003, 01:17
Our nation has no real forces to speak of. We are a very peacful nation, and rely on our membership to the Gallactic Alliance to protect us. We have come to a resolution, and we will just sit back, take in Jewish refugees whenever possible, give advice, and try to find out why Camdean is doing this (whether for fun, they just want to, or they have none).

The Arab of Military, The Arab of Government, and The Arab of Government
TOOL a HOO
11-10-2003, 01:19
Camdean:

Could you please restate the cause and effect of your expulsion of Jews. Please add, if you are infact a Nazi nation. I have not seen evidence of such...considering the Nazi's were driven by an Arian belief.

Please clarify the issues at hand.

Thank you.
Iuthia
11-10-2003, 01:37
OOC: The United States of America had 4.7 Million troops during the Vietnam War and they had 140,000,000 people. It seems that Nationstate is not very realistic in this aspect.

If we want to go into the red helping the jews so be it.

OOC: It's all very well posting statistics about how America has loads of troops and loads in their army. But you are forgeting something quite important to most nations with big militaries...

Money

Your nation is really really poor at the moment... you would have to save up for several years before you even come close to having 50 billion USD.

Then you have to fund those 750'000 troops of yours, war isn't cheep at all and you can't afford it. I'm assuming you have a small army becuase you can't afford to have a big one. Not becuase I think you're too small.

The reason I don't declare war in NS is becuase of the shear cost of mobilising troops, let alone moving them into another nation and then supporting them.

I have already said I can fully support all Jews being evicted from his nation, seeing as it is only 400. I can afford to do that, I can house them becuase my nation is huge (1.272 billion). 400 is nothing to me. Not to mentaion I am giving them lump sums to make the transition into a new life as easy as possible.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Wise_Arabs

That link will take you, Wise Arabs, to your GDP calulation. It's a little simple and not always correct, but it's pretty close and alot of nations use it to work out their GDP. If any other nation wants to use it, delete "Wise Arabs" from the URL and place your nations name in there.

Edit:

Funnily enough, Wise Arabs has a budget 20x larger then NorthArkansas, despite only having 8'000'000 people. I feel this brings the whole thing into perspective.
11-10-2003, 02:33
East Tennessee Gross Domestic Product
Population: 130,000,000
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Very Strong
GDP per Capita: $15,000
GDP: $1,950,000,000,000
National Budget: $430,232,400,000


East Tennessee can provide an army of 10 million troops, Emergency Wartime Spending. East Tennessee can supply many hundreds of tanks and a massive navy to boot.

When War does come to Camdean, This Ozark Nation will be kicking.

Right now, we are mobilizing, our goal, in Wartime Emergency Spending, is an army of 25 million. We may come up short in this goal, but it is a good goal to shoot for. This army will be let go at the end of the war.

Your right. War is a special time for spending.

Now, Camdean, war has not been declared By any power yet. YOu still have some short time to reconsider your Nazi Laws.

The Fearless Leader.
11-10-2003, 02:43
OOC: Thanks for the calculator

Old Maine Republic Gross Domestic Product
Population: 40,000,000
Civil Rights: Excellent
Economy: Reasonable
GDP per Capita: $7,500
GDP: $300,000,000,000
National Budget: $66,975,000,000

250,000 Troops to the effort
2,700 Battle Tanks
Small Navy

:)
11-10-2003, 02:43
East Tennessee Gross Domestic Product
Population: 130,000,000
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Very Strong
GDP per Capita: $15,000
GDP: $1,950,000,000,000
National Budget: $430,232,400,000


East Tennessee can provide an army of 10 million troops, Emergency Wartime Spending. East Tennessee can supply many hundreds of tanks and a massive navy to boot.

When War does come to Camdean, This Ozark Nation will be kicking.

Right now, we are mobilizing, our goal, in Wartime Emergency Spending, is an army of 25 million. We may come up short in this goal, but it is a good goal to shoot for. This army will be let go at the end of the war.

Your right. War is a special time for spending.

Now, Camdean, war has not been declared By any power yet. YOu still have some short time to reconsider your Nazi Laws.

The Fearless Leader.

You know, I bet you could probably provide 10 million troops in an emergency, not 25 million.
11-10-2003, 02:57
Cheecham Hills Gross Domestic Product
Population: 90,000,000
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: All-Consuming
GDP per Capita: $30,000
GDP: $2,700,000,000,000
National Budget: $948,056,400,000

Army=660,000
M1A2 Battletanks=4,500
T-90 Battletanks=1,000
Bradley Fighting Vehicles=7,700
M-114 Guns=10,000

F-18=340
Su-27=60
Mig-29=60
B-1C=100
Tu-160=100
B-52=45
Tu-144=20

Ready if needed.
East Islandia
11-10-2003, 03:00
Alrite, so whats going on? Is Camdean sending away his Jewish population? Is someone going to war?

Let's evacuate the refugees first, then let whoever wants a war have one.
11-10-2003, 03:02
Went to that site. After much trouble, got it working.

SouthernManitoba Gross Domestic Product
Population: 75,000,000
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Very Strong
GDP per Capita: $15,000
GDP: $1,125,000,000,000
National Budget: $336,654,000,000


Nice figures eh?

Oh, yes, We support the Jews.
11-10-2003, 03:06
Alrite, so whats going on? Is Camdean sending away his Jewish population? Is someone going to war?

Let's evacuate the refugees first, then let whoever wants a war have one.

ooc:I am for keeping them in Camdean and evacuating the Nazi Government instead, to a prison island.

I don't think war is happening yet, they are all just stating what they have.

And I am learning a lesson in economics, the Hard Way.
Iuthia
11-10-2003, 03:08
East Tennessee can provide an army of 10 million troops, Emergency Wartime Spending. East Tennessee can supply many hundreds of tanks and a massive navy to boot.

Right now, we are mobilizing, our goal, in Wartime Emergency Spending, is an army of 25 million. We may come up short in this goal, but it is a good goal to shoot for. This army will be let go at the end of the war.

So you have a normal military of 8% of your population (estimated guess) and a conscripted army of 19% of your population?

IMHO, you are bankrupted before you even get into war. You may have tons to cash, but once you take people from your work force like that your economy will crash... then add the extra costs of mobilising and then supporting your troops? Hell even I can't afford those figures.

Assuming you reduce these figures to the consripted army of 10 million troops like Old Maine Republic suggested, then you will have all your army going to one war, leaving your nation open to attack.

But that doesn't matter, because you have to move those 10 million people in the first place. I've only seen 10 million people get deployed in a war once... and it took a 7 Billion population coalition to do it, and they were specialised in logistics and coordination.

What about support? You know; food, fuel, repair parts, ammo, shelter and all the other small things in life.

Then you have to land that army on to his nation. Which is really hard in modern tactics becuase of the shear superiority your nation will need to form a beachead.

This is why I have yet to go to war with anyone. It's stupidly expensive, I would loose tons of men just landing on their shores and basically it isn't our business to invade nations and tell them they are wrong.
11-10-2003, 03:10
I am sending in an Elysium transport to pick up Jewish refugees. Camdean, please arrange a pick-up area. We still have to hear back from you. It appears that Camdean has left this Forum Topic.

The Arab of Civilian Relocation, The Arab of Intelligence
11-10-2003, 03:14
East Tennessee can provide an army of 10 million troops, Emergency Wartime Spending. East Tennessee can supply many hundreds of tanks and a massive navy to boot.

Right now, we are mobilizing, our goal, in Wartime Emergency Spending, is an army of 25 million. We may come up short in this goal, but it is a good goal to shoot for. This army will be let go at the end of the war.

So you have a normal military of 8% of your population (estimated guess) and a conscripted army of 19% of your population?

IMHO, you are bankrupted before you even get into war. You may have tons to cash, but once you take people from your work force like that your economy will crash... then add the extra costs of mobilising and then supporting your troops? Hell even I can't afford those figures.

Assuming you reduce these figures to the consripted army of 10 million troops like Old Maine Republic suggested, then you will have all your army going to one war, leaving your nation open to attack.

But that doesn't matter, because you have to move those 10 million people in the first place. I've only seen 10 million people get deployed in a war once... and it took a 7 Billion population coalition to do it, and they were specialised in logistics and coordination.

What about support? You know; food, fuel, repair parts, ammo, shelter and all the other small things in life.

Then you have to land that army on to his nation. Which is really hard in modern tactics becuase of the shear superiority your nation will need to form a beachead.

This is why I have yet to go to war with anyone. It's stupidly expensive, I would loose tons of men just landing on their shores and basically it isn't our business to invade nations and tell them they are wrong.

Hum...

What if he kept a majority of his forces at home and sent in just a small force? would that be more realistic.

Hey, NA, I am learning this too. Thanks Iuthia for pointing out Logistics.
Iuthia
11-10-2003, 03:18
Alrite, so whats going on? Is Camdean sending away his Jewish population? Is someone going to war?

Let's evacuate the refugees first, then let whoever wants a war have one.

OOC: I've already stated that I've sent a small convoy of ships to evacuate the Jewish population. Once Camdean posts confirmation (I will TM him now) I will take them and leave this thread to go where it goes.

I have also pointed out that if my forces are fired upon, I will go to war with overwhelming military power, becuase they are on a mission of aid.

If someone does want to start a war, may I suggest you start another thread and look this thread up (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79665&highlight=).

When having a war, post one move each and wait for a reply, otherwise he may ignore you for drum rolling your attacks. Don't claim damage on his fleet, instead post an attack then ask for casualities. Thats how wars are done. I think it is prefered that you also post that you are moving to his nation, then post you are attacking (two different posts).

I may of never been in a war, but I've seen a few to know some things. I've also learned stats the hard way... I used to have a 5% pop military.
East Islandia
11-10-2003, 03:21
Oh ok Iuthia. I'll send several submarines to escort your fleet if you wish and several cruisers also. And you're welcome to stop by if you want and take a break and stuff.
11-10-2003, 03:25
OOC: Unless Camdean speaks or someone decides to start a war, I think we have reached the end of this thread. Democracy failed. Oh well.
Iuthia
11-10-2003, 03:32
Oh ok Iuthia. I'll send several submarines to escort your fleet if you wish and several cruisers also. And you're welcome to stop by if you want and take a break and stuff.

Back to IC again...

We are honored that your are sending additional forces to assist in the defence of our fleet, however we will require that you agree not to fire upon any Camdean forces unless either of us are attacked first. If yor fire upon his forces you will likely get both of our vessals destroyed.

Once we have safely evacuated the Jewish population to a safe distance you will be free to do as you wish. While we are on this mission you must only take a defencive role, destruction of Camdean property will ruin this mission and he may even destroy my convoy along with the Jews inside in retailiation. Thats why I ask that people wait until I have evacuated them to a safe distance.

Should you cause an incident like that, Iuthian lawyers will hold you responsable.

Once the evacuation is complete, we will not be invovled in any war with Camdean, unless he specifically destroys Iuthian vessals or starts killing his own people in his nation or worst yet, invades another nation himself.

I condemn any future wars against Camdean in his current status as dangerous and stupid, only resulting in the lose of many civilians and military men on both sides.

Lets play this carefully, once citizens are evacuated and if war doesn't take place, Iuthia will begin it's own talks with Camdean over the issues raised on it's new racist policy. Iuthia has yet to recognise this as a Nazism, we feel it is not that bad yet.

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
East Islandia
11-10-2003, 03:39
We guarantee that our ships will not fire on Camdean vessels and interests unless provoked.

We are sending along three Xishan class medium cruisers, three Sea Dancer class attack submarines, and a Weiyan class transport, in case additional space is needed.

Once again, we assure that Camdea and Iuthia has nothing to fear from our forces; we are not trigger happy, and we are only defensive.

After everything is over, we'll have a feast at our place. On us. We insist.
Iuthia
11-10-2003, 03:56
After everything is over, we'll have a feast at our place. On us. We insist.

Hm... well if you incist. Though you will have to understand that Iuthia is still a little edgy after a recent raid of a conference in our capitol. So we will be bringing our own armed guards.

I have attended pretty much every conference, ball, party and other events with a armed escort due to the fact that I am the leader of the entire nation thanks to the best democracy in the world.

One man, one vote. I'm that man and I get to vote.

But jokes aside, we will be interested in a feast providing your nation doesn't go to war for the current reasons. If you did we would have to shun you for imperialistic actions.

That said we have some of the finest wines Iuthia has to offer and we are willing to part with some after giving the leader of Edolia a tour of my nation.

I wonder how many nations know that despite being a Dictatorship, that Iuthia has the 450th happiest people on the entire planet, out of 75'000 nations. We also have some of the best civil rights the world has to offer it's people.

Just goes to show that not all Dictators are bad...

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/iuthia.jpg

Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia
More information about Iuthia.... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41124&highlight=)
Iuthian Defence Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1484531#1484531)
Urbanites Region (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)
East Islandia
11-10-2003, 03:59
we are part of the NAIA, Iuthia. U do remember that rite?

And we offer to invite everyone to the feast.. everyone in this thread
even Camdea.
11-10-2003, 04:26
we are part of the NAIA, Iuthia. U do remember that rite?

And we offer to invite everyone to the feast.. everyone in this thread
even Camdea.

North Arkansas Declines to sit with Nazi Supporters.
East Islandia
11-10-2003, 04:27
who says we support Nazis? and is Camdea a Nazi?
11-10-2003, 04:29
who says we support Nazis? and is Camdea a Nazi?

No East Islandia does not support Nazis. However, we have already established that Camdean Is a Nazi State. We will not sit with them if they come to your party.
11-10-2003, 05:31
Well, this RP started well, and fininshed poorly. I think it is over now, so don't bother to join it. :(

The Arab of Hindsight
Canada-Germany
11-10-2003, 05:51
who says we support Nazis? and is Camdea a Nazi?

No East Islandia does not support Nazis. However, we have already established that Camdean Is a Nazi State. We will not sit with them if they come to your party.

*cough* No, it has yet to be established that Camdean is a nazi state. It is marely a Anti-Semitic State.
Iuthia
11-10-2003, 10:21
No East Islandia does not support Nazis. However, we have already established that Camdean Is a Nazi State. We will not sit with them if they come to your party.

Actually, you established that he was a Nazi state. I agree with Canada-Germany, he's more of a anti-semitic state.

I know the RP died around page 6, but thats because I think Camdean got tired of repeating himself and people saying he was killing Jews.

If he doesn't bother to post again on this thread (I don't blame him to be honest) then it is safe to assume that we save the Jews and let them go where they like... just not back to Camdean.
Iuthia
11-10-2003, 10:25
we are part of the NAIA, Iuthia. U do remember that rite?

I don't check the members list on every topic. I'll try to remember next time but I would of noticed you before anything big happened... becuase I would of had to of looked at my list (text document on pc) and you are on it as a "NAIA Ally".

Plus, as NAIA members we don't invade other nations to change their policy. Which I know you wouldn't of done but I still said it becuase I say it to everyone on this thread.

Sorry about forgetting you, but you guys in the NAIA have been pretty quiet resently.
12-10-2003, 01:24
Hum.

Very interesting poll


Should a Nation be able to expel a people based only on their religion?
Yes
14%
14% [ 20 ]
No
85%
85% [ 118 ]
Total Votes : 138
East Islandia
13-10-2003, 05:09
wut happend to this topic?
Iuthia
13-10-2003, 11:21
wut happend to this topic?

In short, it died.

Personally I think Camdean ignored all everyone becuase of the insane ammount of claims that were going around. Either that or he actually has things he's doing in RL.
15-10-2003, 00:47
O:-Tony Blair steps up to the carefully positioned microphone..

"Once again it has come to my attention that other Nations leaders have been accusing Camdean being a Nazi state just because we have our own better ways of living, not by a fake book wich is full of lies, these Nations put a tag on us claiming we kill their people..."

"We don't have to answer to these biblical nightmares any more, our older Celtic ways pre-date the Egyptians this is before the apparent appearance of God, so you see we were allready living, and fare enough in this time we may of been cannibals, but we have learned over the many years, our people being reborn into this life again learning on the way"
15-10-2003, 01:23
O:-Tony Blair steps up to the carefully positioned microphone..

"Once again it has come to my attention that other Nations leaders have been accusing Camdean being a Nazi state just because we have our own better ways of living, not by a fake book wich is full of lies, these Nations put a tag on us claiming we kill their people..."

"We don't have to answer to these biblical nightmares any more, our older Celtic ways pre-date the Egyptians this is before the apparent appearance of God, so you see we were allready living, and fare enough in this time we may of been cannibals, but we have learned over the many years, our people being reborn into this life again learning on the way"



A recent poll shows that over 118 nations oppose what you did. Wonder how many of those are 2 + Billion nations. Want to take on the world?
15-10-2003, 01:27
O:-Tony Blair steps up to the carefully positioned microphone..

"Once again it has come to my attention that other Nations leaders have been accusing Camdean being a Nazi state just because we have our own better ways of living, not by a fake book wich is full of lies, these Nations put a tag on us claiming we kill their people..."

"We don't have to answer to these biblical nightmares any more, our older Celtic ways pre-date the Egyptians this is before the apparent appearance of God, so you see we were allready living, and fare enough in this time we may of been cannibals, but we have learned over the many years, our people being reborn into this life again learning on the way"

Hum

A recent poll shows that over 118 nations oppose what you did. Wonder how many of those are 2 + Billion nations. Want to take on the world?

Hey whats that smell ??

Are you trying AGAIN to put words in my mouth, we dont want to spread our religion, and we dont ever want to start wars because of it, just get out my country, your totally crap book is sh&&e roman piss pots,
Jewlius Ceaser tried to wipe out our tribes, he failed and made up a story, the Celts didnt beleive it ever, and we still dont RL and NS........
15-10-2003, 01:35
O:-Tony Blair steps up to the carefully positioned microphone..

"Once again it has come to my attention that other Nations leaders have been accusing Camdean being a Nazi state just because we have our own better ways of living, not by a fake book wich is full of lies, these Nations put a tag on us claiming we kill their people..."

"We don't have to answer to these biblical nightmares any more, our older Celtic ways pre-date the Egyptians this is before the apparent appearance of God, so you see we were allready living, and fare enough in this time we may of been cannibals, but we have learned over the many years, our people being reborn into this life again learning on the way"



A recent poll shows that over 118 nations oppose what you did. Wonder how many of those are 2 + Billion nations. Want to take on the world?

Hey whats that smell ??

Are you trying AGAIN to put words in my mouth, we dont want to spread our religion, and we dont ever want to start wars because of it, just get out my country, your totally crap book is sh&&e roman piss pots,
Jewlius Ceaser tried to wipe out our tribes, he failed and made up a story, the Celts didnt beleive it ever, and we still dont RL and NS........

I think you are a bit mad. You are seeing things. We are no where near your nation. Any of my forces have been pulled long ago.

You are no different than Adolph Hitler. I feel very sorry for you. Now, I wonder how many of those nations that voted against you (118 nations did last count) have over 2 billion population? If just 10 do, then you are in deep trouble. Doubtful that war will come to your nation. But just think if it had? Can you and the few who are with you hold out against 118 nations?

I suppose the Jews have been ousted from your nation by now. At least I have the satisfaction of banning all business with your nation. May god have mercy on your soul.
15-10-2003, 18:32
O:-Tony Blair steps up to the carefully positioned microphone..

"Once again it has come to my attention that other Nations leaders have been accusing Camdean being a Nazi state just because we have our own better ways of living, not by a fake book wich is full of lies, these Nations put a tag on us claiming we kill their people..."

"We don't have to answer to these biblical nightmares any more, our older Celtic ways pre-date the Egyptians this is before the apparent appearance of God, so you see we were allready living, and fare enough in this time we may of been cannibals, but we have learned over the many years, our people being reborn into this life again learning on the way"



A recent poll shows that over 118 nations oppose what you did. Wonder how many of those are 2 + Billion nations. Want to take on the world?

Hey whats that smell ??

Are you trying AGAIN to put words in my mouth, we dont want to spread our religion, and we dont ever want to start wars because of it, just get out my country, your totally crap book is sh&&e roman piss pots,
Jewlius Ceaser tried to wipe out our tribes, he failed and made up a story, the Celts didnt beleive it ever, and we still dont RL and NS........

I think you are a bit mad. You are seeing things. We are no where near your nation. Any of my forces have been pulled long ago.

You are no different than Adolph Hitler. I feel very sorry for you. Now, I wonder how many of those nations that voted against you (118 nations did last count) have over 2 billion population? If just 10 do, then you are in deep trouble. Doubtful that war will come to your nation. But just think if it had? Can you and the few who are with you hold out against 118 nations?

I suppose the Jews have been ousted from your nation by now. At least I have the satisfaction of banning all business with your nation. May god have mercy on your soul.

I sh&g gods ass, no need to pray !!!
Iuthia
15-10-2003, 20:42
I feel very sorry for you. Now, I wonder how many of those nations that voted against you (118 nations did last count) have over 2 billion population? If just 10 do, then you are in deep trouble. Doubtful that war will come to your nation. But just think if it had? Can you and the few who are with you hold out against 118 nations?

I suppose the Jews have been ousted from your nation by now. At least I have the satisfaction of banning all business with your nation. May god have mercy on your soul.

Look... it's simple, everyone knows it's wrong, but if you asked and asked these 2 billion population nations to go to war they wouldn't do it. They are apathetic... thats how they got to 2 billion population.

As for Camdeans comments... er... ok... :shock:

I'm going to take those Jews of your hands now... by by dead thread...
16-10-2003, 11:24
Thank you Iuthia for allowing my Nation do as it will please, as all we do is on a peacefull plane !

Killing this thread now my Nation is Free !