Helicopters and Sumarines
The ShoxDaPimp Empire is looking to buy helicoptors and submarines at a semi cheap price..any offers?
Sambizie
07-10-2003, 14:46
OOC: How many subs and helicoptors are you looking for?
Five Civilized Nations
07-10-2003, 14:47
The Five Civilized Nations offer several SSNs for sale... But I'm not sure if they are cheap enough...
Challenger Class SSN
Builder: Aureal Naval Yards
Power Plant: Two S9W Nuclear Reactors
Length: 395 feet
Draft: 45 ft
Beam: 40 ft
Displacement: 7,960 tons surfaced, 9,637 submerged
Speed: +50 knots
Cost: 5 billion Nus, approximately $20 billion
Crew: 121 (12 officers) + 100 marines
Armament: 10 forward torpedo tubes, 10 VLS tubes, 17 AA Missile Tubes
Weapons Carried: 50 Swordfish Torpedoes or 50 Seaskimmer Anti-ship Missiles, 20 Tomahawk or Bushwacker Missiles, and 34 Igla V Missiles
Sonars Spherical active/passive arrays, Light Weight Wide Aperture Arrays, TB-16, TB-29, and future towed arrays, High-frequency chin and sail arrays
Countermeasures: 1 internal launcher (reloadable 2-barrel)
14 external launchers
Virginia IV Class SSN
Builder: March Naval Yards
Power Plant: One S9B nuclear reactor (single shaft)
Length: 377 feet
Draft: 32 ft
Beam: 34 ft
Displacement: 7,934 submerged
Speed: +30 knots
Cost: $2.11 billion
Crew: 100 (13 officers)
Armament: 5 forward torpedo tubes, 15 VLS tubes, 5 AA Missile Tubes
Weapons Carried: 30 Swordfish Torpedoes or 30 Seaskimmer Anti-ship Missiles, 30 Tomahawk or Bushwacker Missiles, and 10 Igla V Missiles
Sonars: Spherical active/passive arrays, Light Weight Wide Aperture Arrays, TB-17, TB-29, and towed arrays, High-frequency chin and sail arrays
Countermeasures: 1 internal launcher (reloadable 2-barrel)
15 external launchers
OOC: How many subs and helicoptors are you looking for?
i would have to say around 3 each scine my country is new
The Five Civilized Nations offer several SSNs for sale... But I'm not sure if they are cheap enough...
Challenger Class SSN
Builder: Aureal Naval Yards
Power Plant: Two S9W Nuclear Reactors
Length: 395 feet
Draft: 45 ft
Beam: 40 ft
Displacement: 7,960 tons surfaced, 9,637 submerged
Speed: +50 knots
Cost: 5 billion Nus, approximately $20 billion
Crew: 121 (12 officers) + 100 marines
Armament: 10 forward torpedo tubes, 10 VLS tubes, 17 AA Missile Tubes
Weapons Carried: 50 Swordfish Torpedoes or 50 Seaskimmer Anti-ship Missiles, 20 Tomahawk or Bushwacker Missiles, and 34 Igla V Missiles
Sonars Spherical active/passive arrays, Light Weight Wide Aperture Arrays, TB-16, TB-29, and future towed arrays, High-frequency chin and sail arrays
Countermeasures: 1 internal launcher (reloadable 2-barrel)
14 external launchers
Virginia IV Class SSN
Builder: March Naval Yards
Power Plant: One S9B nuclear reactor (single shaft)
Length: 377 feet
Draft: 32 ft
Beam: 34 ft
Displacement: 7,934 submerged
Speed: +30 knots
Cost: $2.11 billion
Crew: 100 (13 officers)
Armament: 5 forward torpedo tubes, 15 VLS tubes, 5 AA Missile Tubes
Weapons Carried: 30 Swordfish Torpedoes or 30 Seaskimmer Anti-ship Missiles, 30 Tomahawk or Bushwacker Missiles, and 10 Igla V Missiles
Sonars: Spherical active/passive arrays, Light Weight Wide Aperture Arrays, TB-17, TB-29, and towed arrays, High-frequency chin and sail arrays
Countermeasures: 1 internal launcher (reloadable 2-barrel)
15 external launchers
thanks for the offer but those are bit to pricey....got any deisel?
United Elias
07-10-2003, 14:51
EA-24 Multipurpose helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824)
The Elias Aerospace Corporation is proud to one again offer the EA-24 series of helicopters .There are many different Variants listed below. All have fly by wire technology advanced avionics and twin engines to offer maximum power and reliability. All prices are in US dollars. Since December 12 when it was first unveiled the hundreds of these helicopters have been in service with many nations of the world providing invaluable service.
The helicopters basic airfrme is extremely flexible and can be used for many different rolses.
Features (All versions)
The rugged modular structure incorporates crashworthy and damage-tolerant features, including a five-blade main rotor, four-blade teetering rotor and main lift frame, which includes multiple primary and secondary load paths. The fuselage is mainly of aluminium-lithium construction. The aerodynamic rotor blades are constructed from carbon/glass with nomex honeycomb and rohacell foam. Active vibration control of the structural response uses a vibration-cancelling technique.
The helicopter operates in temperatures ranging from -20 to +50 degrees C. An ice protection system allows operation in known icing conditions. An engine inlet particle separator system provides protection in sandy environments. High flotation tyres and efficient landing gear permit operation from soft or rough terrain.
The cockpit is equipped with armoured crew seats able to withstand an impact velocity of 35ft per second. Dual flight controls are provided for the pilot and copilot, but the helicopter is capable of being flown by a single pilot. The electronic instrument system includes six high-definition, full-colour displays, together with a digital map mission display. All military models have a forward looking Infrared system display and thermal imagers.
All helicopter versions can be upgraded with a full protection suite of Electronic counter measures, chaff/flare dispensers and armor plating in cockpit and passenger compartment. $100,000 (standard on some versions)
Specifications applicable to all versions:
Powerplants: 2 EPE-12 turboshafts producing 2400 shp each and driving a five bladed main rotor and four bladed tail rotor.
Performance:
Cruising speed: 165 knots.
Max Speed: 184 knots
Max Range: 1,400 nautical Miles (can be increased by 400nm with external tanks.)
Versions:
-EA-24A Standard Utility, 9.5 million .
Crew: 2 Pilots, Capacity: 18, Armament: None
-EA-24B VIP transport version. 10.4 million
Crew: 2 pilots, Capacity: 12 in executive comfort, Armament: none
-EA-24C Military utility Version/troop transport. 10 million
Crew: 2 Pilots + 1 or 2 gunners. Capacity: 20 Armament: Armament 2x 7.62mm door mounted miniguns. Features: Armor plated cockpit
-EA-24F Search and Rescue Version 10 million EDs
Crew: 2 Pilots + 1 to 4 rescue swimmers/winch operators, Capacity: 8 Features: Spotlight, rescue winch, increased ferry range to 1,600 miles.
-EA-24G Special Forces Helicopter. 11 million
Crew: 2 Pilots + 1 or 2 gunners, Capacity 18, Armament 2x 7.62mm door mounted miniguns, Features: full countermeasures suite including chaff/flare dispensers, armor plating, sound dampening, night operation sensors, rear loading ramp, and IR protective coating. This model can also be equipped with unguided rocket pods.
-EA-24H Naval Helicopter. 12 Million
Crew: 2 pilots + 2 Systems operators, Capacity: 12, Armament 4x Torpedoes/ light anti-ship missiles (such as Penguin), Features: Full countermeasures suite including chaff/flare dispensers, night operations and all weather sensors, dipping sonar, Blue Kestral Early Warning/surface search radar, sonarbuoy dispensers, dipping sonar and IR protective coating.
Note: Miniguns are mentioned but these can be replaced with .50 cal Machine guns or any other pintle mounted gun of similar size.
Pictures:
http://www.agustawestlandinc.com/2.jpg
From top to bottom: EA-24B, EA-24C, EA-24G, EA-24F
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EA-24A Civilan Version.
http://www.afwing.com/images/airshow/aircraft/eh101-1.jpg
EA-24H naval Version
http://www.mod.uk/img/images/%5B(1512)-26-07-2000%5DMERLIN1.JPG
EA-24H Naval Version
http://www.armedforces.co.uk/raf/listings/eh101merlinb.jpg
EA-24C Military utility version.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/eh101/images/eh1.jpg
EA-24C Military utility version.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/images/merlin2_t.jpg
United Elias Air Force EA-24Cs
http://www.agustawestlandinc.com/cockpit.jpg
EA-24 Advacned Cockpit, all versions
EA-26 Attack Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68324&highlight=)
After years of being produced solely for the Elias military the Ministry of Defence Procurment and Export has approved the type for export sale. The design is not revolutionary but is based on a well proven, reliable and devasatingly powerful airframe that has been modified and upgraded by the Elias Aerospace Corporation to make it even more capable.
EA-26 Combat Helicopter
Airframe
The coaxial rotor design provides a hovering ceiling of 4,000m and vertical rate of climb of 12m/s at an altitude of 5,000ft. The rotor blades are made from polymer materials. The coaxial-rotor configuration results in moments of inertia values relative to vertical and lateral axes being between 1.5 to 2 times less than the values found in single rotor helicopters with tailrotors. Absence of the tail rotor enables the helicopter to perform flat turns within the entire flight speed range. A maximum vertical g-load of 3.5 combined with low moments of inertia give the Ka-50 a high level of agility.
Extensive all-round armour installed in the cockpit protects the pilot against 12.7mm armour piercing bullets and 25mm projectile fragments. The rotor blades are rated to withstand several hits of ground-based automatic weapons.
The EA-26 one of the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue ejection system, which allows pilot to escape at all altitudes and speeds.
Weapons
Numerous weapons options for the helicopter are carried on external wing stores with different combination of anti-tank missiles, rockets, air-to-air missiles. From the point of view of the weapons power is superior to all existing combat helicopters.
Avionics
The on-board multifunctional avionics suite ensures round-the-clock helicopter piloting, navigational and combat tasks in anytime of the year. The avionics suite is comprised of a multiplexed, multi-level digital computer-based system having large storage capacity and high speed. Observation, search and targeting systems comprising head-mounted display are used for round-the-clock and all-weather detection of specified targets and their attack using optical, TV, laser, IR and radar equipment.
EA-26 is fitted with s radar warning receiver, electronic warfare system and chaff and flare dispenser as standard
Specifications
Powerplants: 2 EPE-19M turboshafts producing 2625 shp each.
Performance:
Cruising speed: 160 knots.
Max Speed: 176 knots
Max Range: 325 nautical Miles (approx. endurance 2h 15 min)
Armament:
1x 30mm Chain Gun, stub wings can each carry up to twelve AT/AA missiles or up to four rocket pods, wingtips can carry a further two missiles.
Versions
EA-26A:Features side by side seating for pilot and co-pilot/gunner.
16 million each.
EA-26B Version features tandem cockpit for one pilot and a weapons operator.
16 million each.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/ka-52-1.jpg
EA-26A
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ka50/images/ka50_8.jpg
EA-26A
http://www.aviation.ru/contrib/brd/Ka-50-2-turkey-mockup.jpg
EA-26B
http://www.military.cz/russia/air/helicopters/ka_50_2/ka-50-2.jpg
EA-26B
EA-28 Light/Scout Special Forces Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66401)
The Elias Aerospace Corporation is proud to unveil its latest helicopter which once again demonstrates our ingenuity and technological capabilities. The EA-28 Helicopter is a helicopter designed to meet a requirement from the Elias Air Force for a combat scout and a light utility helicopter. It is an ideal replacement for OH-59 ‘Kiowa’ and OH-6 ‘Little Bird’ types that serve in many armed services around the world.
The helicopters basic airframe is extremely flexible and can be used for a variety of different roles.
Features (All versions)
The Most notable feature of the design is the NOTAR anti-torque system which eliminates the need for a tail rotor improving survivability and making ground operations safer for both the aircraft and people on the ground. The modular structure incorporates other crashworthy and damage-tolerant features, including a five-bladed, bearing less main rotor. The fuselage is mainly of aluminium-lithium construction. The aerodynamic rotor blades are constructed from carbon/glass with nomex honeycomb and rohacell foam. Active vibration control of the structural response uses a vibration-cancelling technique.
The helicopter operates in temperatures ranging from -20 to +50 degrees C. An ice protection system allows operation in icing conditions. An engine inlet particle separator system provides protection in sandy environments. Durable, light weight skids made of composite materials permit operation from soft or rough terrain. The unique design of the helicopter allows it to land in small clearings and other confined areas where most other helicopters would not be able to.
The cockpit is equipped with armoured crew seats able to withstand an impact velocity of 35ft per second. Dual flight controls are provided for the pilot and co-pilot, but the helicopter is capable of being flown by a single pilot. The electronic instrument system includes four high-definition full-colour displays, together with a digital mission (military versions only), the controls feature 70% commonality with the much larger EA-28 helicopter to simplify the amount of training needed to change type. Every version is equipped with a FLIR mounting and is cleared for full night time operation.
All Versions can be quickly converted for the medical evacuation/ air ambulance role with room for two stretchers and a medical attendant.
Every Version can accommodate an under slung external load of up to 3,500lb
All military Versions can be fitted with steel benches above the weapon hardpoints for a maximum of three persons on each side, although two is more advisable
All helicopter versions can be upgraded with a full protection suite of Electronic counter measures, chaff/flare dispensers. $80,000 (standard on some versions)
Specifications applicable to all versions:
Powerplants: 2 EPE-16B turboshafts producing 645 shp each.
Performance:
Cruising speed: 145 knots.
Max Speed: 160 knots
Max Range: 395 nautical Miles (approx. endurance 3 h 36 min)
Versions:
-EA-28A Standard Utility, 4.5 million
Crew: 1/2 Pilot(s), Capacity: 6, Armament: None
This version is not designed for civilian use in a variety of utility roles
-EA-28C Military Utility Combat Scout Version. 5.2 million
Crew: 1 Pilots + 1 Pilot/Observer. Capacity: 6 Armament: two hardpoints for either gun pods or free flight rocket pods. Features: Armour plated cockpit and passenger compartment.
This Version is the basic military version and is equipped with armour and hardpoints for armament. It can accommodate a maximum of six troops in a somewhat cramped passenger compartment. Alternatively in a medevac role it can accommodate up to two stretchers and a medical attendant.
-EA-28E law Enforcement Version 5 million
Crew: 1 Pilots + 1 Pilot/Observer. Capacity: 6. Features: Search light thermal imaging TV camera, loudhailer system.
The EA-28E is the perfect chopper for most Police operations, especially in urban areas due to its manoeuvrability and ability to land in confined spaces.
-EA-28G Light Attack/Special Forces Helicopter. 6.6 million
Crew: 1 Pilots + 1 Pilot/Observer. Capacity: 6 Armament: two/four hardpoints for either gun pods, free flight rocket pods or sets of four air to ground or air to air missiles. Features: Armour plated cockpit and passenger compartment, advanced electronics and sensors, full countermeasures suite, IR protective coating and sound dampening.
This is an upgraded ‘C’ Version with an emphasis on armour, armament and other protection systems. This version also features a sensor pod mounted just forward of the main rotor, above the cockpit and includes: A 12x Magnification TV Camera, an auto focusing thermal imaging camera and a laser rangefinder/designator with automatic target tracking and bore sighting allowing the helicopter not only to guide anti-tank missiles such as Hellfire but also to designate targets for other aircraft. This version is ideal for leading attack helicopter formations, combat scouting deep into enemy territory or special forces insertion /extraction particularly in urban assault/jungle missions due to its manoeuvrability and ability to land in confined spaces
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EA-28 Dimensions (All Versions)
http://www.aerocare-lubbock.com/New_Folder/NOTAR.jpg
NOTAR Tail-rotorless system layout(All Versions)
http://www.airmethods.com/productsdiv/products/interiors/images/md902Pic2.gif
Passenger Compartment when quickly converted for medevac role (Applicable to all versions)
http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/foto/mcdonnel-900.jpg
EA-28G
http://w1.270.telia.com/~u27010324/photos/md900n4.jpg
EA-28G
http://w1.270.telia.com/~u27010324/photos/md900n3.jpg
EA-28G
Mi-26 Ultra-heavylift Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45332&highlight=)
Mi-26 HALO
The Elias Aircraft Corporation is now builing the mi-26 helicopter for export.
The Mi-26 helicopter, the heaviest and most powerful helicopter in the world, was designed for carrying large-size cargoes weighing up to 20 tons. It is the result of an early 1970s specification for a transport helicopter whose empty weight, without fuel, was not to exceed half of its maximum take-off weight. It can be used for construction projects ranging from bridges to power transmission lines. The combination of high load-carrying capacity and high cruise speed makes the use of the helicopter economically efficient.
The helicopter is loaded through the cargo hatch in the tail of the fuselage with lowered ladder and subladders. The cargo cabin is equipped with two electric hoists and lifting and loading devices ensuring loading and carrying along the cabin of cargoes weighing up to 5 tons.
The Mi-26 is the first helicopter with an eight-blade main rotor, which is mounted above the fuselage midsection on a hump. Two turboshaft engines are mounted on top of the cabin with round air intakes above and behind the cockpit and exhaust ports at the sides of the engines. The long, bus-like body with fixed tricycle landing gear tapers to the nose and rear, with an upswept rear section and rounded nose and stepped-up cockpit. The tail is swept-back with a slightly tapered fin with large rotor on right side. The flats are forward-tapered and low-mounted on leading edge of the fin.
The load and lift capabilities of the aircraft are comparable to the US C-130 Hercules transport aircraft. The length of the landing gear struts can be hydraulically adjusted to facilitate loading through the rear doors. The tailskid is retractable to allow unrestricted approach to the rear clamshell doors and loading ramp. The cargo compartment has two electric winches (each with 2,500 kg capacity) on overhead rails can move loads along the length of the cabin. The cabin floor has rollers and tie-down rings throughout. The HALO has a closed-circuit television system to observe positioning over a sling load, and load operations. The Mi-26 is capable of single-engine flight in the event of loss of power by one engine (depending on aircraft mission weight) because of an engine load sharing system. If one engine fails, the other engine’s output is automatically increased to allow continued flight.
VARIANTS 3 available
Mi-26MS: Medical evacuation version.
(21 million)
Mi-26T: Freight transport.
(20 million)
Mi-26TZ: Fuel tanker with an additional 14,040 liters of fuel in 4x internal tanks and 1,040 liters of lubricants, pumped through 4x 60-meter long refueling nozzles for refu-eling aircraft, and 10x 20-meter long hoses for refueling ground vehicles. Fuel transfer rate is 300 liters/minute for aviation fuel, and 75-150 liters/minute for diesel fuel. The refueling system can easily be removed to allow the aircraft to perform transport missions.
(22 million)
Specifications
Role: Heavy cargo-transport
Similar Aircraft: Mi-6 Hook, HH-3E Jolly Green Giant
Blades Main rotor - 8
Tail rotor - 5
Rotor diameter 105 ft (32 m)
Length 111 ft (33.8 m)
Length (rotors turning) 40 meters
Length (fuselage) 33.5 meters
Width 8.2 meters
Height 26 ft., 5 in. / 8.1 meters
Tail Rotor Diameter 7.6 meters
Cargo Compartment
Dimensions 12 meters - Floor Length
3.3 meters - Width
Height variable from 2.9 to 3.2 meters
Weight 49500 kg - Normal takeoff weight
56000 kg - Maximum takeoff weight
28200 kg - empty weight
20000 kg - Load-lifting capacity
(100+ equipped troops, armored vehicles)
Engine 2 x 11,400 shp Lotarev D-136 turbines
Maximum speed 295 km/h
Cruising speed 183 mph / 255 km/h
Range 1200 km with Aux Fuel
800 km with maximum fuel reserve
475-800 km with maximum loading
Service Ceiling 4600 m
1,800 m Hover (out of ground effect)
4,500 m Hover (in ground effect)
Fuel 11,900 liters Internal
Standard Payload 20,000 kg Internal or external load
over 80 troops, 60 litters, or
2x BRDM-2 scout cars, or 2x BMDs, or
1x BMP or,
1x BTR-60/70/80 or,
1x MT-LB
Armament Usually none
Survivability/Countermeasures Main and tail rotor blades electrically deiced.
Infrared signature suppressors on engines.
Infrared jammers and decoys; flares.
Self-sealing fuel tanks.
AVIONICS The avionics and navigational package, a Doppler weather radar, and a fully functioning autopilot allow for day/night all-weather operation.
Crew 5 (2x pilots, 1x navigator, 1x flight engineer, 1x loadmaster)
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ru_helo_mi26_02.jpg
http://www.aviation.ru/contrib/Andrey_Platonov/Gallery/Mi-26_Chinook.jpg
http://www.milparade.com/1997/21/42.jpg
i will take 2 EA-26As and 2 EA-26Bs for the helicopters...the money has been wired to your account... but im still looking for some subs
Sambizie
07-10-2003, 14:55
The reson I asked how many, is due to the fact that you are 1 day old. While purchasing submarines and helicoptors is possible, the maintnance cost would bankrupt your nation. I suggest you start of with small fire arms ans assult rifles. You men will need training to operate subs and helos, which also cost a substantial amount of money. However, I am willing to sell you a couple of helicoptors...but my subs my be out of your tech range right now. I have two older helos available, they are:
Kamov KA50 Hokum @ $10 Million each
AH 1W Super Cobra @ $11 Million each
NOTE: That these prices are drastically reduced.
United Elias
07-10-2003, 14:56
confirmed.
The reson I asked how many, is due to the fact that you are 1 day old. While purchasing submarines and helicoptors is possible, the maintnance cost would bankrupt your nation. I suggest you start of with small fire arms ans assult rifles. You men will need training to operate subs and helos, which also cost a substantial amount of money. However, I am willing to sell you a couple of helicoptors...but my subs my be out of your tech range right now. I have two older helos available, they are:
Kamov KA50 Hokum @ $10 Million each
AH 1W Super Cobra @ $11 Million each
NOTE: That these prices are drastically reduced.
no thanks i just bought 4 but you are right so to save money ill buy the subs later
United Elias
07-10-2003, 15:02
Submarines are a strecth choppers are not.
I have a sub you could probably have:
1 available:
Russian Designator: Project 641
NATO Designator: Foxtrot-Class
Length: 299 feet, 6 inches
Beam: 24 feet, 7 inches
Draft: 20 feet
Displacement: 1,952 tons surfaced, 2,475 tons submerged
Construction: 3/8 inch outer light hull comprising ballast tanks.
7/8 inch QT28 Nickel Steel pressure hull.
Complement: 12 officers
10 midshipmen
56 seamen
Maximum Diving Depth: 985 feet
Speed: 16 knots surfaced
15 knots submerged
9 knots snorkeling
Range: 20,000 miles surfaced at 8 knots,
11,000 miles snorkeling
380 miles submerged at 2 knots
Endurance: 3 - 5 days submerged
Propulsion: 3 x Kolomna 2D42M diesel engines, 2,000 hp each.
3 x electric motors; 2 with 1,350 hp and 1 with 2,700 hp.
1 x auxiliary motor with 180 hp.
3 x propeller shafts, each with 6 bladed propellers.
Torpedoes: 22 maximum
Radar: Surface search: Snoop Tray; I band.
Sonar: Herkules medium-frequency active/passive.
Feniks passive search/attack.
Electronic warfare: Stop Light, Radar Warning.
Quad Loop Directional Finder.
60 million.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/foxtrot-DNSN8706257.JPG
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/pl641_1.jpg
http://www.heiszwolf.com/subs/plans/smallZulu.jpg
Sambizie
07-10-2003, 15:05
The reson I asked how many, is due to the fact that you are 1 day old. While purchasing submarines and helicoptors is possible, the maintnance cost would bankrupt your nation. I suggest you start of with small fire arms ans assult rifles. You men will need training to operate subs and helos, which also cost a substantial amount of money. However, I am willing to sell you a couple of helicoptors...but my subs my be out of your tech range right now. I have two older helos available, they are:
Kamov KA50 Hokum @ $10 Million each
AH 1W Super Cobra @ $11 Million each
NOTE: That these prices are drastically reduced.
no thanks i just bought 4 but you are right so to save money ill buy the subs later
No problem, when your in the market for a sub, give us a call. We sell Virginia's for $950 Million. We also have Seawolf's, Ohio 776's, and LA's.