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Saskatchetoba suffering from internal religious struggle

07-10-2003, 06:48
In a spat of scientific enlightenment Saskatchetoba emerged as a universally atheist nation. Small isolated groups of religious still remain however. The small, but noticable, population of catholics in Saskatchetoba's northern regions are vying for rights of worship in predominantly atheist areas and legislation for a five day work week, instead of the mandatory six. An incident occured a few weeks ago in the city of Moose Jaw Hat City where a throng of catholics stormed a politburo administration complex injuring several workers and inadvertently sending the nation in an uproar against the pope worshipping cross lovers. Many are hauled up in the politburo, and many others are dead. The government has intervened in an attempt to protect the minority group, but many soldiers are apathetic or even aiding the violence. Saskatchetoba is awaiting international response and claims no responsibility for any more deaths, but will supply sufficient and immidiate assistance in removing the group to any nation willing to accept the assylum seekers. Saskatchetoba will not accept any military presence from foreign governments and will offer financial compensation of no more than the cost of military presence in areas of unrest. ($11 million/week) The unrest has currently lasted 3 weeks and is estimated to only last a few more assuming most minority groups will flee or be killed. Where are the religious sympathetic nations and what do they have to say?
07-10-2003, 07:10
The Theocracy of Raysia is outraged. We will gladly accept any refugees, and anyone who wants to escape to our nation may simply say so and we will pull them out of there legally. If Saskatchetoba denies them the ability to leave, we will rescue them from their government's grasp forcefully... If you do not let your citizens know of this, we will be forced to let them know ourselves.
07-10-2003, 07:17
The Protectorate of Grotia is shocked at this blatant display of religious intolerance. We will accept any all religious refugees who wish to come to our nation. Any interference by the oppressors will be met by force.

We have dispatched ships and aircraft to your borders to await entry to your ports.

We also have bombers warming up at our airbases.

Ich Dien!!

Deux Ex Machina
Minister of Religious Affairs
07-10-2003, 07:29
No need to bomb them. They are weak, we can simply hold a gun to their heads and make them reform :)
imported_Celeborne
07-10-2003, 07:29
We in no way wish to condone your action nor do we feel that we have the right to chastise you for your internal workings. We do however wish to offer our services to your people. We are willing to accept any number of refugees that wish to leave your nation. Our transport ships are unarmed and clearly marked. We will follow all of your national laws and customs while picking up the refugees and will take care of all costs involved with this mission.see this thread for proof that we can help with this situation (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

If you want us to assist please let us know the number of people that you would like for us to pick up.
07-10-2003, 18:28
The Catholic resistance movement in Saskatchetoba has ended with a relocation of about 1,000 rebels to the People's Republic of Celeborne at the expense of the Saskatchetoban Viceroy Plekhanov. A sum of P 33 million has also been granted to Celeborne for their assistance. Let it now be known that Saskatchetoba is now completely free from the opiate of the masses. Our scientific government will expand and prosper on the basis of 'work, reason and diligence' without being defiled by religion.
07-10-2003, 18:32
Why must you insist on limiting your scientific world? A true scientist would seek to gain all knowledge he could... your scientists dismiss the beginning of the universe, or other realms, other planes of existance, and you deny the fact that we are not the only inhabitants of this universe... why do you limit yourselves by dismissing some theories and embracing other even more unbeleiveable theories.
07-10-2003, 18:34
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07-10-2003, 19:02
The Saskatchetoban scientific community does not dismiss the after-world or other planes of meta-physical being, but does serve to dissuade its population from adopting unelightened or conjectural untruths based on faiths and beliefs. The persecution of minority religious groups in parts of Saskatchetoba is inevitable. Their faith-based, unfounded doctrines are in violation of Saskatchetoban Atheist law that each citizen is bound to under social contract. They are entitled to their beliefs, but not during government regulated work days, including sundays under the Production Queue Clause enforcing a six day work week from Sunday to Friday. (Note: most terms in Saskatchetoba have been altered from their faith based origins. ie. Monday is now Moscova-day, Tuesday = Tymoshenko-day, Wednesday = Wernchenko-day, Thursday = Tallinn-day, Friday = Fidel-day, Saturday = Stalin-day, Sunday = Atheist-day)
07-10-2003, 19:06
How were monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday religious?:

German:
Montag - Day of the Moon
Dienstag - Second Day
Mittwoch - Mid-Week
Donnerstag - Day of Thunder
Freitag - Free Day
Samstag, or Sonnabend - Sunny Evening
Sontag - Sunny Day
07-10-2003, 19:07
Atheist Laws? Scientist Atheist IS a religion. Rather than beleiving what men have written about their understanding of our God, you beleive what men beleive about their understanding of a universe where there is no God. Neither case is -provable- thus you must allow freedom in your country to allow people to pick a side. Persecuting those who think differently than you is a crime, and we will not stand for this.
07-10-2003, 19:08
So when someone's religious belief calls for them to kill others, we should allow it?
07-10-2003, 19:10
So when someone's religious belief calls for them to kill others, we should allow it?The US Government allowed it in the 1800s... We didn't like that at all, so we stood up... now that we are strong we will defend our other Christian brethren.
07-10-2003, 19:10
Weekdays

Sunday Sun
Sun god [Sax. sunna-dæg; G. sonntag; D. zondag; Dan. söndag; Sw. sondag; so called because this day was anciently dedicated to the sun, or to its worship.]

The first day of the week.
Monday Moon
Moon god [Sax. monandæg; D. maandag; G. nontag; moon and day; being formerly sacred to that planet.]

The second day of the week.
Tuesday Mars
Tiw [Sw. Tisdag; Dan. Tirsdag; D. Dingsdag; G. Dingstag; Sax. Tiwæsdæg or Tuesdæg, from Tig, Tiig, or Tuisco, the Mars of our ancestors, the deity that presided over combats, strife and litigation. Hence Tuesday is court day, assize day; the day for combat or commencing litigation.

The third day of the week.
Wednesday Mercury
Woden [Sax. Wodensdæg; Woden's day; Sw. Odenstag or Onsdag; from Wodin or Odin, a deity or chief among the northern nations of Europe.]

The fourth day of the week.
Thursday Jupiter
Thor [Dan. Torsdag, that is, Thor's day, the day consecrated to Thor, the god of thunder answering to the Jove of the Greeks and Romans, L. dies Jovis; It. Giovedi; Sp. Jueves; Fr. Jeudi. So in G. donnerstag, D. donderdag, thunderday. This Thor is from the root of W. taran, thunder; taraw, to strike, hit or produce a shock; Gaelic, Ir. toirn, a great noise; toirneas, thunder. The root of the word signifies to drive, to fush, to strike. In Sw. thorndon is thunder.]

The fifth day of the week
Friday Venus
goddess Frigg or Freia [Sax. frig-dæg; G. freitag; D. vrydag; from Frigga, the Venus of the north; D. vrouw, G. frau, Ir. frag, a woman.]

The sixth day of the week, formerly consecrated to Frigga.
Saturday Saturn
Roman god Saturn [Sax. Sæter-dag; D. Saturdag; Saturn's day.]
The last day of the week; the day next preceding the sabbath.
The day of the Sabbath.
07-10-2003, 19:12
LOL you are speaking of ancient Mythology or Astrologism... The former denounced in the past and the latter currently banned in Raysia ;)
07-10-2003, 19:20
those are the origins of week day terms. They hold no significance to us, so we changed them. the question was, how are weekdays of religious origin, there is the answer.

Atheism is not a religious belief. It is the disbelief in the existence of any Gods or of God. This may take the form of: (a) dogmatic rejection of specific beliefs, e.g. of theism; (b) scepticism about all religious claims; or (c) agnosticism, the view that humans can never be certain in matters of so-called religious knowledge (e.g. whether God exists or not). We observe that the belief in a god is irrational and unfounded. When our nation uses the word Atheism, we refer to the man who coined the modern term, David Hume. Not any pre-modern Greek atomists...
07-10-2003, 19:25
Persecuting those who think differently than you is a crime, and we will not stand for this.

So you are persecuting them for thinking they should kill people?

Saskatchetoba: You mispelled the German ones, it's

Sontag - Day of the Sun
Montag - Day of the Moon
Dienstag - Service Day
Mittwoch - Middle of Week
Donnerstag - Day of Thunder
Freitag - Free Day
Samstag (or Sonnabend) - Sunny Evening
Sonntag - Sunny Day
07-10-2003, 19:27
Persecuting those who think differently than you is a crime, and we will not stand for this.

So you are persecuting them for thinking they should kill people?Our goal is to get all Theists out of that nation safely, and if their government refuses to let them go, we will pull them out with force.
07-10-2003, 20:16
The Catholic resistance movement in Saskatchetoba has ended with a relocation of about 1,000 rebels to the People's Republic of Celeborne at the expense of the Saskatchetoban Viceroy Plekhanov. A sum of P 33 million has also been granted to Celeborne for their assistance. Let it now be known that Saskatchetoba is now completely free from the opiate of the masses. Our scientific government will expand and prosper on the basis of 'work, reason and diligence' without being defiled by religion.
07-10-2003, 20:55
]So when someone's religious belief calls for them to kill others, we should allow it?

When the Holy Catholic Inquisition (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78249&highlight=) executes a heretic, the persecution is not an act of sinful man, rather it is the pure and just Will of God.

The Catholic resistance movement in Saskatchetoba has ended with a relocation of about 1,000 rebels to the People's Republic of Celeborne at the expense of the Saskatchetoban Viceroy Plekhanov. A sum of P 33 million has also been granted to Celeborne for their assistance. Let it now be known that Saskatchetoba is now completely free from the opiate of the masses. Our scientific government will expand and prosper on the basis of 'work, reason and diligence' without being defiled by religion.

Your willful rejection of the Purity and Wisdom of our Lord condemns you to an eternity in hell, heretic. If we were a stronger nation we would immediately summon forth a holy crusade upon you. However our leaders believe it is not prudent to go to war against the heretic state of Saskatchetoba at this moment. Therefore we urge you to come forth from blasphemy and accept the Lord Jesus to be your Savior and reject the brainwashing that Satan has cast on you.
07-10-2003, 21:29
The Attican Empire is breaking relations with the Schismatic States. Their officials are ordered to leave Attican territory, and the land their Embassy is on will be occupied in 6 hours.
07-10-2003, 22:41
It appears that the international backlash caused by the events in Saskatchetoba are severe. Viceroy Plekhanov is dismissing all grievances filed against our nation for the Catholic incident and is labeling the event as initiated by the enemies of our root atheist policy and currently resolved. He is however, greatly disturbed at the position of The Schismatic States. Our nation is accustomed to dealing with the unenlightened and misinformed. Our goal is simple: to secularise the state and do away with religion and all bourgeois culture. Any threats to impede our process will be met with extermination and severe prejudice.

There will be no discussion of religious tolerance on Saskatchtoban soil. If any state is willing to initiate a conference on religious tolerance, a deligate will be sent to represent Saskatchetoba's unquestionable allegience to the empirical science of truth.
imported_Celeborne
10-10-2003, 14:48
The Catholic resistance movement in Saskatchetoba has ended with a relocation of about 1,000 rebels to the People's Republic of Celeborne at the expense of the Saskatchetoban Viceroy Plekhanov. A sum of P 33 million has also been granted to Celeborne for their assistance. Let it now be known that Saskatchetoba is now completely free from the opiate of the masses. Our scientific government will expand and prosper on the basis of 'work, reason and diligence' without being defiled by religion.

Your people have been accepted and your funds are most appreciated.
10-10-2003, 16:40
Bombers standing down. Some refugees found their way to our shores. They are now under the protection of the Grotian government and have been granted asylum.

We expect payment for our generosity.

Chewy Goodness
Foreign Minister