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In referance to this anouncement:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73774&highlight=

We are now accepting bids on long range bombers!

We are looking at a purchase of hundreds of bombers, likely of differant types, to replace most of our currant invintory.

Must bo origional concetps, I can build B1-Bs and B-52s.
Emphasis on long distance and some on payload size

We will be waiting at least a week before making a final decision.

DF-1A "Dragon Fly" Stealth Bomber

This stealth bomber is capable of flying at high subsonic speeds at altitudes up to 60,000 feet. It can carry nuclear or conventional ordnance with worldwide precision navigation capability. It can carry up to 18 air launched cruise missiles.

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 488,000 pounds
Range: Unrefueled 8,000 miles
Power Plant: Two General Electric F-198-GE-100 engines
Thrust: Each engine up to 28,000 pounds
Armament: Approximately 69,000 pounds mixed ordnance -- bombs, mines and missiles.
Ceiling: 50,000 ft
Max Speed: Mach 1.5
Unit Cost: $740 million

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/nsa2.jpg

This Aught to appeal to you but maybe it's not original enough:

The Crookfur Super Vulcan!

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/vulcan-02.jpg

CFB-4 Super Vulcan

Crew: 4 (pilot, co-pilot, offensive systems operator, defensive system operator)
Length: 30.5m
Height: 8.3m
Width/wingspan: 33.9m

Engines:
4x CFPW T1045 Alcohol jet engines

Performance:
Max Speed: 1150kph
Max cruise: 1092kph (mach 0.92)
Max range: 8500km
Service ceiling: 17000m

Weapons:
Bomb load: up to 30,000lbs of bombs
Typical loads include 20 GBU-31s (all independently targeted), 2 GBU-28 bunker busters, 20 Paveway III-E laser guided bombs or 24 CBU-97 (or other weapons from the WCMD family).
External mounting racks exist to allow the carriage and launch of up to 4 Air launched Cruise missiles/anti shipping missiles and 2 additional small hard points allow the carriage of external recon/ECM pods or AAMs (inc AIM-9 sidewinder and AIM120 AMRAAM).
The bomb bay can also be used to mount extra fuel tanks and a fuel hose system to provide in-flight refuelling ability.

Systems: Full day/night targeting with IR imaging and laser designator. GPS/inertial weapons guidance system and navigation with auto pilot, synthetic aperture radar imaging and targeting system, in flight refuelling probe, full ECM defensive system with advanced threat warning and detection, active counter measures including high power jamming and decoys, full digital cockpit with fly by wire and HOTAS controls and terrain avoidance radar.

Perhaps one of the most majestic Aircraft ever built the Avro Vulcan was a gem of the cold war bombers. While never having the sheer load of the B-52 the Vulcan proved its versatility in both the high altitude nuclear and low level conventional bomber roles. Crookfur Arms have taken the old Vulcan and given it a new lease of life. The new airframe is just as strong and robust as previously but modern materials have allowed it to be made lighter and replacement of all the old analogue systems with up to date digital equipment has increased the room available for fuel and munitions as well as allowing the full range of modern bomber systems to be added included the latest in defensive systems and independent weapon targeting. The use of radar absorbent paint and materials plus a reworking of certain airframe elements greatly increases the aircrafts survivability. The new Crookfur alcohol engines offer a good boost in performance and fuel efficiency. While not having the same load as modern bombers such as the B-52 or B2 (the Vulcan’s precision load is only slightly less then that of the B-1B) the Vulcan still retains its ability to scramble into the air within 4minutes and offers higher manoeuvrability (although not quite as agile as say an F16 it can still perform many fighter manoeuvres).

Cost: $105million


I also would offer Tanker, SEAD and EW versions if you desire.

B-23 Vertigo
http://invisionfree.com:54/93/157/upload/p1312.jpg
The B-23 is a long-range bomber capable of reaching very high speeds. It is designed for destroying high-priority targets quickly, but can also function as a strategic bomber.

Airframe
The airframe of the B-23 is composed of 45% heat-resistant ceramics. Normal aircraft made from titanium/aluminium can only tolerate speeds above Mach 2.8 for a short period of time. The use of ceramics allows the B-23 to operate at Mach 3.6 for hours on end (abeit at an enormous cost of fuel). The shape of the airframe reflects only a small amount of radar, resulting in low-observability, allowing the aircraft to get much closer to the tareget before detection. Its swing-wing allows it to slow down near the target, allowing it to drop Iron-bombs with greater accuracy.

Avionics
The B-23 contains 2x AN/APG-77 radars giving a 360 degree view. ECMs are also included. Flares, Chaff, and other missile blinders are also standard.

Specs
Primary function: Multi-purpose bomber
Contractor: ESAA
Powerplant : 4x MX-7 afterburning turbofans
Thrust: 260,000lbs
Armaments: Up to 90,000lbs of munitions depending on mission. Compatible with all Western produced munitions. The B-23 also carries 6 AIM-254 Phoenix missiles on a separate missile rack for defense.
Length: 90m
Wingspan: 75m
Speed: Mach 0.3 Min, Mach 1.6 Cruise, Mach 3.6 Max
Ceiling: 75,000 feet
Min Height: 300 feet
Range: Global

Mission
The B-23 is a multi-purpose bomber. On a mission to destroy a high-priority target, it would carry a fairly small amount of precision ordinance, up to 25,000lbs and fly to the target zone at its maximum speed of Mach 3.6. Its great range allows a country to maintain an offensive literally from the other side of the world.

On a strategic bombing mission, the B-23 would be loaded with the full load of ordinance and travel to its target at normal speed. The ordinance carried would be iron bombs or any desired ordinance.

Cost: $450m

Ell, only $450 million?? The B2 costs over 800 million!

Ell, only $450 million?? The B2 costs over 800 million!

Per-Unit cost. The more you build, the more the development costs are split. That's cos only around 30 B2s were built. The EAF alone has procured over 300 B-23s, and has exported around 2000.

Ell, only $450 million?? The B2 costs over 800 million!
Origionally when the USA wanted to order 100 B-2s in the late 80es, each costed only almost 200 million.

After the B-2 is out however, it costed $500 million until the Soviet Union collapsed.

SF630-Metra, Federation Standard Fighter/Bomber

Can fight in air, space, and water. Can mount any most weapons and the B-class has room for 2 large munitons and 5 multi-ordinace munitions. Its top space speed is unrecorded, and can make mach 4 safely, and 90 knots under water. For sale from the Federation of Setian-Sebeceans for 350-500 million credits- depending on model and other equipment for it.

Ell, only $450 million?? The B2 costs over 800 million!

Per-Unit cost. The more you build, the more the development costs are split. That's cos only around 30 B2s were built. The EAF alone has procured over 300 B-23s, and has exported around 2000.

It is still very, very expensive. There comes a point where you have to draw the line and right now those cost less than the weapons they carry.

Also a plane that can go over Mach 1.5, and yet carry 90,000 lbs of ordance is just insane.

Ell, only $450 million?? The B2 costs over 800 million!

Per-Unit cost. The more you build, the more the development costs are split. That's cos only around 30 B2s were built. The EAF alone has procured over 300 B-23s, and has exported around 2000.

It is still very, very expensive. There comes a point where you have to draw the line and right now those cost less than the weapons they carry.

Also a plane that can go over Mach 3, and yet carry 90,000 lbs of ordance is just insane.

That's at Mach 1.8. Mach 3 it can only carry 25,000.

That's at Mach 1.8. Mach 3 it can only carry 25,000.

I edited mine.

Ell, only $450 million?? The B2 costs over 800 million!

Per-Unit cost. The more you build, the more the development costs are split. That's cos only around 30 B2s were built. The EAF alone has procured over 300 B-23s, and has exported around 2000.

It is still very, very expensive. There comes a point where you have to draw the line and right now those cost less than the weapons they carry.

Also a plane that can go over Mach 1.5, and yet carry 90,000 lbs of ordance is just insane.

The B-1B can go Mach 1.28, and the XB-70 can go Mach 3.

1.6 sound more reasonable?

Ell, only $450 million?? The B2 costs over 800 million!

Per-Unit cost. The more you build, the more the development costs are split. That's cos only around 30 B2s were built. The EAF alone has procured over 300 B-23s, and has exported around 2000.

It is still very, very expensive. There comes a point where you have to draw the line and right now those cost less than the weapons they carry.

Also a plane that can go over Mach 1.5, and yet carry 90,000 lbs of ordance is just insane.

The B-1B can go Mach 1.28, and the XB-70 can go Mach 3.

B-1B cannot carry 90,000 lbs of munitions. That is more than the Blackjack or the B-52

Still, the B-23 is 90m long.

Still, the B-23 is 90m long.

Those Engines must be incredible, and IMO future tech.

Not really, the Russians apparent achieved Supercruise 1.8 with the Mig-35.

Not really, the Russians apparent achieved Supercruise 1.8 with the Mig-35.

Once again, a MiG-35 does not carry 90,000 lbs of munitions....

In fact, the entire airplane weighs less than 50,000 lbs.

Still, I believe that this should be possible by 2010.

Still, I believe that this should be possible by 2010.

Well, I don't, but that its not really upto me. I'm going to do some thrust equations and figure out how much power this engine really provides. I would imagine the power they generate to be impossible to obtain on a plane of its size.

The Metra B-class can only hit mach 1.4 safely. It uses Anti-Grav engines, produced by drones, the fighter, however, can go mach 4 with 2 light munitions.

Agrigento, can you give me the formulas for thrust calculations and such?

Agrigento, can you give me the formulas for thrust calculations and such?

Don't know them exactly, I am referencing such matters currently. I am basically trying to figure out how much, in Megawatts, energy is required to produce that amount of thrust.

OOC:

Of modern operational bombers the B-1B has the highest certified operational ordinance load 75 000lbs internal, plus(if allowed by treaty) 69 000lbs external.

OOC:

Of modern operational bombers the B-1B has the highest certified operational ordinance load 75 000lbs internal, plus(if allowed by treaty) 69 000lbs external.

That is not true, the B-1B can carry only about 50,000 lbs total. No hardpoints in the world would not be able to hold 69,000 lbs of ordinance through flight nor would that amount fit onto the airplane..

AHHEMMM!

May I please have my thread back?

:(

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B-4b Shadow
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/t4ms01a.jpg
Stealth capabilities of the B-2 with bigger load and higher speed. Excellent countermeasures systems.
Propulsion: 4 General Electric YF-122K engines with 2d thrust vectoring, along with 2 ramjets for an emergency power boost
Thrust: 42,000lbs
Length: 152ft
Wingspan: 110ft
Ceiling: 105,000ft
Payload: 75,000lbs
Range: 6,000 miles unrefueled
Cruising speed: Mach 3.2
Max Speed: 4.5
Contermeasures:
4 IR Missile blinders
Low radar observability
6 AAM's for emergencies, capable of firing foward or rearwards
2 20mm automated CIWS guns
Flare/Chaff dispensers
AN/ALQ-101 Jamming system
Cost: $750 Million

whats with you and auctions. you almost never get things for less than they are worth...

whats with you and auctions. you almost never get things for less than they are worth...

If you are talking to me, I am not doing an auction. I am taking large scale bids. If you look at the origional post, you will see the link to the announcement of exactly what is going on. I am completely overhalling my intire military one peace at a time, if thats OK.
If I was trying to get a lower price, I would be haggling.

KMB-1 Firestarter High-Speed Bomber

http://www.unidc.net/nationstates/fixed-wing/KMB-1.gif

The KMB-1 Firestarter is a two seated high-speed bomber, capable of carrying heavy loads. This is definitely a multi-role bomber, as it’s capable of doing a number of things, including carpet bombing and launching specialized CRUISE MISSILES! Since it’s a pretty vulnerable bomber, we decided to have speed & maneuverability make up for vulnerability.

It’s very short & stubby wings are mainly what make it maneuverable, but they also hold the aircraft up better than most other airplanes. Since the bomber goes so fast, we also decided that a two-person crew would be needed, as so the pilot can focus on not crashing into things or blacking out, and so the offensive systems controller can focus on aiming every bit of explosives that are held in the bay.

Specifications:
Primary Function: Long-Range High-Speed Bomber
Power Plant: Four Kamata HS-1 Power plants with hydroelectric backup & afterburner
Thrust: 36,000-plus pounds (16,363-plus kilograms) with afterburner, per engine
Length: 120 feet (36.6 meters)
Wingspan: 67 feet
Height: 30 feet (9.2 meters)
Weight: 124,000 pounds (56,363 kilograms)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 352,000 pounds (160,000 kilograms)
Speed:
980mph (Mach 1.48) at altitude
600mph (Mach 0.91) at sea level
Range:
Intercontinental (With In-Air Refueling)
6,500 Miles (Without In-Air Refueling)
Ceiling: Over 45,000 feet (13,720 meters)
Crew: Two (Pilot & Offensive Systems Controller)
Armament:
Internal Bays (All Four) Capable of 20,000lbs each

Unit Cost: $200 Million USD

whats with you and auctions. you almost never get things for less than they are worth...

If you are talking to me, I am not doing an auction. I am taking large scale bids. If you look at the origional post, you will see the link to the announcement of exactly what is going on. I am completely overhalling my intire military one peace at a time, if thats OK.
If I was trying to get a lower price, I would be haggling.
Don't waste your time, just buy mine. You're not going to find a better bomber on NS.

whats with you and auctions. you almost never get things for less than they are worth...

If you are talking to me, I am not doing an auction. I am taking large scale bids. If you look at the origional post, you will see the link to the announcement of exactly what is going on. I am completely overhalling my intire military one peace at a time, if thats OK.
If I was trying to get a lower price, I would be haggling.
Don't waste your time, just buy mine. You're not going to find a better bomber on NS.

:roll: :roll: FR: not taht its anything to do with me (WW2 nation) your bomber looks like it was drawn on the back of a napkin and then coloured in.

#1: I didn't draw it
#2: Let's see you do better

OOC: Three things:

1) Free Rumania - thats a real good pic. I have seen a hell of a lot worse.

2) The Trucial States - I would like to see you do better! Shut the hell up! And

3) WOULD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP HIGHJACKING MY THREAD?


IC: Geting some good entries, Free Rumania: even if yours is the best I will likely buy some others also to have some diversity.

Thanks to all the currant bids!

Please buy soem vulcans, even if you don't actually use them as bombers they make great airshow toys...

OOC: Three things:
IC: Geting some good entries, Free Rumania: even if yours is the best I will likely buy some others also to have some diversity.
Does that include mine? I have a long range fighter now too.

OOC: Three things:
IC: Geting some good entries, Free Rumania: even if yours is the best I will likely buy some others also to have some diversity.
Does that include mine? I have a long range fighter now too.

All bids are being seriously considered, yours included! I only mentioned Free Rumania because he said that his was the best and not to look at others. There is a decent chance that all entries will get at least a few buys. I like diversity within my arsenal.

OOC: Three things:
IC: Geting some good entries, Free Rumania: even if yours is the best I will likely buy some others also to have some diversity.
Does that include mine? I have a long range fighter now too.

All bids are being seriously considered, yours included! I only mentioned Free Rumania because he said that his was the best and not to look at others. There is a decent chance that all entries will get at least a few buys. I like diversity within my arsenal.

Thx for clarifying that a tad bit. Enjoy your decision making!

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It took a while, but I have finally designed a heavy bomber to meet your requirement. here, for your consideration, is the B-4A Feuersturm

B-4A Feuersturm
Similar in design to the B-1B Lancer, or the Tu-160 Blackjack, the B-4A Feuersturm, or "firestorm" is similarily a high-speed, heavy bomber designed to blast its way through enemy defenses at supersonic speeds and deliver its payload almost before the enemy knows it's there.

Making use, like its predecessors, of variable-geometry wings, the B-4A mounts five Kielly-Caesar augmented afterburning turbofans, two in each wing junction, and one in the tail, to grant its superb maximum speed and payload. It also has the unique ability to carry Air-to-Air missiles in the form of six of Kotterdam's ADAAM missiles. Although the ADAAM is standard, the Feuersturm can make use of the AIM-54C Phoenix, or the AIM-120 AMRAAM in its place. In fact, just about any radar-guided AAM can be substituted in a pinch.

Equipped with a powerful radar capable of tracking targets up to one hundred and fifty miles out, and exceptional, almost fighter-like maneuverability, the B-4A is not as easy a target as the lumbering B-52 bombers of an earlier age, even though it has a similar payload. To further improve its survivability, the B-4A includes powerful jammers similar in strength to those aboard the B-52. Between its speed, firepower, range, and agility, the B-4A Feuersturm will rapidly become indispensible to any airforce including this highly-capable aircraft.

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Long-Range Multi-Role Heavy Bomber
Secondary Function: Long-Range Naval Interdiction Aircraft
Contractor: Vega Aerospace Consortium
Power Plant: Five Kielly-Caesar L30-KC-504 augmented afterburning turbofans
Length: 152 ft (46.33 m)
Height: 34 ft (10.36 m)
Wingspan:
Swept: 80 feet (24.38 m)
Forward: 140 feet (42.67 m)
Speed: 1,320 mph (Mach 2.0)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 477,000 pounds (214,650 kilograms)
Range:
4,000 miles unrefueled with full weapons load.
Unlimited with mid-air refueling
Armament:
6 AIM-140 ADAAMs carried externally; 2 AGM-88 HARMs carried externally; Internal weapons bay capable of carrying 80,000 lbs of munitions including (but not limited to) the AGM-86 Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM), Mk82 conventional bomb, CBU 87, CBU 89, and CBU 97 cluster bombs, Mk62 and Mk65 Quick Strike Mines, WCMD cluster bombs, JDAM smart bombs, GBU-27 smart bombs, AGM-84 Harpoon anti-shipping missiles, and the AGM-154 JSOW, although just about any ground-attack munition can be used in the place of these.

Although the munitions discussed up to this point have all been conventional, the Feuersturm is capable of carrying the B83 strategic nuclear gravity bomb, as well as the B61 series of nuclear bombs. Additionally, the ALCM can mount the W-80 nuclear warhead in place of its conventional warhead. The Dominion of Kotterdam would like to state that it is not engaging in the sale of nuclear weapons. The Feuersturm bomber does not come equipped with any of the above weapons, nor does the sale of the bomber, or its production rights include the plans for the aforementioned weapons.
Crew: Four
Unit Cost: $257.8 million

It took a while, but I have finally designed a heavy bomber to meet your requirement. here, for your consideration, is the B-4A Feuersturm

*The Air Force Generals face raises, a slight grin can be seen on the corners of his lips. A twinkle dances in his eyes as his posture straightens and stiffens*

"Umm, thank you for your entree. We will let you know!"

It took a while, but I have finally designed a heavy bomber to meet your requirement. here, for your consideration, is the B-4A Feuersturm

*The Air Force Generals face raises, a slight grin can be seen on the corners of his lips. A twinkle dances in his eyes as his posture straightens and stiffens*

"Umm, thank you for your entree. We will let you know!"

KMM-2 Demon

After realizing that the KMF-1 & KMB-1 weren't top of the line, we created the KMM-1 Demon. The idea to replace the KMF-1 & KMB-1 was a good idea to most of our government, so we went ahead and did that, and WOW do they perform well!!!

Most of the systems updated, the targetting & accuracy systems are MUCH better than the KMF-1 and KMB-1. We had to make a sacrifice, however. This version of the KMM-2 Demon does not have in-air refueling, so it isn't intercontinental. It does, however, have a VERY nice range of 7,200 miles. External hardpoints, and an internal bay are included in this model. The internal bay also uses a special system, called an RBU, which will be explained later on.

Specifications:
Power Plant: 2x KMP-2 Hurricane Power Plants
Length: 65ft
Height: 16.5ft
Wingspan: 52.5ft
Weight: 40,000lbs
Max. Weight: 57,000lbs
Crew: 2 (Pilot & Weapons Tech.)
Thrust: 40,000lbs
Max. Range 7,200 Miles
Carrier Takeoff: Yes
Max. Speed: Mach 2 At Altitude; Mach 1.3 At Sea Level
Cruise Altitude: 45,000ft
Max. Safe Altitude: 50,000ft
Swing Wings: Yes, 20 Degree Rearwards Swing
Armament:
-4 Outer Hard Points
-20,000lb Max Internal RBU Bay
Special Features:
-RBU; This stands for Rotating Bay Unit. Within any internal bays that the aircraft has, all payloads & missiles are kept in one area before launch, then moved by mechanical arms to launch/drop position when put on standby by the pilot. Up to 20 seperate bombs/missiles can be kept in the bay, Max 5,000lb weight apice.
-QBU; A quick booster unit that compresses a tank with fuel, then releases it all at once into the afterburner in order to create a small explosion, and boost the aircraft for about 5 seconds.

Unit Price: $155 Million USD

That's our third aircraft. Much better for speed and stuff than the KMB-1.

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Only accepting entries for another couple of hours!

To all suppliers:
Sorry about the delay. We are currantly looking over all entrees, and will be making our decision soon. Again, I am sorry about the time, I am making sure that I choose exactly what I need and do not purchase the wrong things.