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Since the Minitry of Defence Procuement and Export announced that for the first time United Elias would be two aquiring conventional aircraft carriers, a whole seriesof new programs started including the Joint Tactical Bomber Project and the EA-60 Carrier Support Aircraft.

However the failure of the Navy to select the Principal Carrier Combat Aircraft (PCCA) is likely to delay the carriers becoming fully operational.
To address this problem the Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export has appropriated funds for the Elias Aerospace Corporation to build prototypes of the two main competitors.

F/A-18UE

The F/A-18UE is a development of the Boeing Super Hornet and has been requipped with Elias avionics and engines to provide greater compatibility with aircraft already in service. This basic design unusually for United Elias is of Western extraction but it is well known that the Navy favours western equipment more so than the Army or the Air Force.


http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/fa18ef/images/fa18ef01.jpg
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/fa18ef/images/fa18ef10.jpg
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/fa18ef/images/c22-653-35.jpg

Su-30MUE-K

The Su-30MUE is similar to the Su-30MKI but it has been given Elias Avionics and engines. This design has obvious advantages in that the type has been in service with the Elias Air Force for some time and is well proven. However there areconcerns that the weights and size of the aircraft may be a problem for the carrier based derivative.

http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-30/riss/Su-30MK_02.jpg
http://anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/AA2002-Su-30MK-16.jpg
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/su30mki2.jpg

Each aircraft will be extensively tested on land, at sea and in combat before a decision is made. If any naionis interested in purchasing either of the designs please post here as it might influence the decision. However only one will ever go into production.

This is NOT an oppurtunity for people to post designs or links I just want some infromed opinions, simply saying that a design is better is not helpful. Please give some reasons so this becomes an interesting discussion of the issue.
Thank You.

Will post specs soon

Can't really help you, here, 'uman. Your fightaz are totally differant from ours. Yours are faster more manooverable and such but are paper thin in da armour department. So i doesn't know which to choose

WG 'Amasator' and Hed of Forun Relashuns, Gorfang Rotgut

We would suggest the SU-30MUEK as the air superiority one, since the F/A-18 doesn't have a good role in the role of air superiority.

We would suggest the SU-30MUEK as the air superiority one.

reasons?

We would suggest the SU-30MUEK as the air superiority one.

reasons?

--Su-30 is a very manuverable aircraft
--Su-30 is more "Specialized" in the role of air-to-air combat

But if you want to have a "multirole" type of fighter, we'd suggestt he F/A-18, because it excels at all areas

We would suggest the SU-30MUEK as the air superiority one.

reasons?

--Su-30 is a very manuverable aircraft
--Su-30 is more "Specialized" in the role of air-to-air combat

But if you want to have a "multirole" type of fighter, we'd suggestt he F/A-18, because it excels at all areas

Thats the thing, while we already have a carrier based bomber we're often going to have to peform close air support, SEAD missions and strike with these but the main role will be air defence like the F-14.

We would suggest the SU-30MUEK as the air superiority one.

reasons?

--Su-30 is a very manuverable aircraft
--Su-30 is more "Specialized" in the role of air-to-air combat

But if you want to have a "multirole" type of fighter, we'd suggestt he F/A-18, because it excels at all areas

Thats the thing, while we already have a carrier based bomber we're often going to have to peform close air support, SEAD missions and strike with these but the main role will be air defence like the F-14.
Then the Su-30 is definately the choice, as explained above.

Su- 30 is my choice, also the key to a good aircraft is the right missiles and good pilots.

OOC *Cough*you need good carriers :roll: *Cough* Hint.. hint... like the ones that your suppose to have up *Cough* hint..Hint... Nasty cough I got there hmmmm.

Su- 30 is my choice, also the key to a good aircraft is the right missiles and good pilots.

OOC *Cough*you need good carriers :roll: *Cough* Hint.. hint... like the ones that your suppose to have up *Cough* hint..Hint... Nasty cough I got there hmmmm.

yup nasty cough, you should take something for it :wink:

tonight Ill post the carrier thing.

Some SPecs

F/A-18UE

Powerplant: 2x EPE-136M8 Turbofans producing 14,980lb of thrust dry and 22,180lb when afterburning.


Dimensions
Wing span 44 feet 8 inches
Width wings folded 30 feet 7 inches
Length 60 ft 1 inch
Height 16 feet 0 inches

Weights
Weight empty 13,387Kg
Take-off weight with attack payload 29,937kg

Performance
Maximum speed in excess of Mach 1.8
Flight ceiling 50,000 feet
Combat radius 400 nautical miles


Su-30MUE-K

Powerplant: 2x EPE-136M8 Turbofans producing 14,980lb of thrust dry and 22,180lb when afterburning.

Weights
Empty 17,450kg
Maximum take-off weight 34,000 kg

Dimensions
Length 72ft
Span 48ft
Wing area 667 square ft

Performance:
Maximum speed at high altitude 2.25 Mach
Flight ceiling 59,000 feet
Combat radius 700 nautical miles

F/A-18UE

-More versatile
-Smaller so more can be carried
-already adapted for carrier use
-more hardpoints
-better sensors
-lower RCS
-can be configured a EF-18 Growler EW aircraft.

AF-100 Rapier CV (Carrier/Catapult launched Fighter)

Class: Carrier-based Heavy Multi-Role Fighter

Contractor: Attican Aerospace

Revision: D

Propulsion: 1 Thrust-Vector modified Freedom Country X-1000 Superjet w/ backup engine restarter.

Internal Fuel: 25,000lbs

Max Payload: 22,000lbs

Max Take-Off Weight: 60,000lbs

Ceiling: 70,000ft

Max Speed: Wings Closed: Mach 4 Wings Open: Mach 2.5

Combat Radius: 1000 Nautical Miles

Crew: 1 (Pilot)

Armament: 1 20mm Vulcan gun, 4 missile/bomb pylons mounted on fuselage (each holds two missiles/bombs)

Other: Radar Absorbing Material applied, design is somewhat stealthy, has 2 Radar Scatterers (easily fools radar-based missiles), 2 internal chaff pods, and 2 flare pods (40 flares). Mid-Air Refueler. Full screen cockpit HUD, Phased Array Radar, Radar Jammer, and Intelligent AI (software for carrier comes with). Automatic Take-Off, Flying, and Landing. Combat is pilot ONLY.

Cost: $140,000,000 (USD)


We hope to replace it soon with the AF-110

I said no sales pitches, as im not even looking at them.

Then your military is stupid (IC) for not allowing foreign designs to be entered. Goodday.

bump

Is this exclusive to modern tech based carrier fighters?

Is this exclusive to modern tech based carrier fighters?

its exclusive to the two posted at the top.

Gah!! All I read was the topic!! I'm gonna have to urge you to pick the Hornet.

Su-30. russian planes kick ass. and it looks cool.


besides, it is better. :)

Su-30MK! More agile, more hardpoints.

Su-30MK! More agile, more hardpoints.

well that was predictable :wink:

Well the latest bunhc of saoftware updates for the F18 family have increased the level of agility some what (by removing a number of manouver restrictions) and the New targeting pod is rahter nice, but to be honest i think the Su30 is the better choice, a better airframe with plenty of growth potential, with western levels of investment in systems ability it is most likely to come out the better air aircraft (ie stick a few targeting pods, say Sniper XR or something, on and you have all the ground attack ability you need).

In a compromise typical of the Elias Navy both types will be developed. The Su-30MUE-K will provide long range air defence for carrier battle groups, while F/A-18UEs will be purchased in greater numbers as they are smaller and slightly cheaper. These will augment the Flankers in the air superiority role and when we do not feel like using our 100 million dollar Joint Tactical Bombers they will procide Strike capability. Most of the 'Ultra Hornets' will be two seaters that can be quickly converted to EF-18 'Growler' Electronic Warfare aircraft depending on the mission.

We thank all nations for their opinions.