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Over the years, I have developed a great love and understanding of black powder war tactics. I wanted to start an RP that uses these older tactics without all this uber tech to way things down. Just good old skill and intuition. Each person can construct their army any way they want and we will attempt to run some type of campaign. What the campaign shall be will be decided if there is enough interest. This is basically American Civil War and Napoleonic kind of stuff.

Anyone up for it?

Absolutely... This ought to be fascinating

Although my CO-RP skills are nil, I wouldnt mind a good mil campaign.

Sign me up.

I'll participate too.

I'll participate eagerly, though I must be on Talaax's side, we have an alliance.

I will take part.

I play Cossacks a lot, and know about the Jacobites, Hanovarians and stuff, being a Scot.

How a Heavy Machine Gun could have changed those wars.....

I am glad we have interest. I tried to start an American Civil War RP and it turned to nothing. By the end of tonight we all post the composition of our armies and will decide on a campaign.

What a lot of people don't know about the battle of Culloden, and that campaign on a whole, is that there were more Scots on the Hanoverian side than there was on the Jacobite side. Strange, but true.

Curb the limit on how many people join in, we don't want too mant that will get confusing.

I know, the Campbells where huge (still are), and many Scots fled to the Hanovarians.

I know my facts, son.

That is good. Too few Brits are learning there history now. Numbers need to be bolstered.

Can we make up a campaign?

I facny having a battle of Europe, with everyone choosing a country.

I would be Britain, naturally.

You bastard. How about your Scotland, I'm England..........deal?

If we were to do that I'd like to be France or Prussia.

OOI, are you playing as your nations, or as the actual historic nations??

Either, doesn't bother me.

I dont mind either.

No I AM ENGLAND.

I hate to admit it, but Scotland were, say, a little less orgainised by the English.

Though if they were an independent country or united, it would be easier.

FC has a great history, so I wouldnt mind that either.

although you gotta admit, that armies those days were as multinational as.....errrmm...something multinational....what with all hte hiring mercs and stuff

FC had no mercenaries.

Though, multinational was usually the end result of a couple of invasions.

Anyway, why not just use our own nations, will stop any arguing, and we'll take it from there, draw up alliances, so on so forth.

Sounds good.

Need someone to draw up a map though.

I could make one.

My army will be pretty much Tzar Alexander II's army.. you know the one that looted Paris in 1814.

hehe probably best to take own nations......

Can we like, do our own nations, otherwise there will be fights, an dwhat ifs and stuff.

And a limit to the number of troops.

And a couple of links, cause I know nothing of the old ages, otehr than rows and rows of angry people.

Yeah I'd say so aswell. Own nations it is then. Let battle commence! Let's draw up sides, FC will draw up a map, and then we'll get started. Does that mean everyone must describe there nation?

The map could take a while, but I will draw up a quicky.

So what we fighting for then? Any suggestions?

Can I join.

Until the French revolution war in europe were fought by small professional armies most of whom were mercenaries.
Most battles boiled down to games of manouver with battles often being decalred won and lost without a single shot being fired.

this however changed with the rise of Napoleon and his implmentation of a total war doctrine and the first real seeds of modern nationalism.

It was napoleon's willingness to take causualties and to throw huge numbers of men at the enemy that gave him his most dramatic victories, including shattering a british lead allied force in belgium and holland.

However britian did have an ace up her sleve: the indian armies. These were tough battle worn forces who were well used to facing almost impossible numerical odds on the battlefeilds of india particularly under the command of a number of exceptional officers including a young aurthur wellsley (sp). With victory in egypt and at trafalgar britian now stood able to mobilise these forces into the european theater. With these veteren forces and the massive upsurge in recriuting at home (with signing up for the army now beginning to aquire a patriotic fashion that had never been present for a long time).

And thus we had the penisula campaign.


The entire course of the jacobite uprisings is perhaps the murkiest part of british history, it plays religion, nationality (after all charlie was a french catholic),clan loyalties an many other factors against each other. it is almsot impossible to find a single deviding factor between those who gave thier allegance to each side.

I would like to be France! Napoleon is one of my heros! Here is my plan...what about we organize a Napoleonic Wars thing. I can be France, two people can be brittain because of the two fronts...Spain and Netherlands. We need a Russia, Prussia, and an Austria as well then we would be set.

I want to be America.

Sure. So who is in then, Reichskamphen, Blue Order, Freedom Country, Falastur, Dark Terror, Talaax and I take it Crookfur? Shall we leave it at then or invite some others in. Personally, I think that is perfect.

Brydog, sorry, I think we are closed.

Sure. So who is in then, Reichskamphen, Blue Order, Freedom Country, Falastur, Dark Terror, Talaax and I take it Crookfur? Shall we leave it at then or invite some others in. Personally, I think that is perfect.
Hello I ask if I can join.

I'd rather be our own countries, then we could make it up from scratch then. What about the rest of you?

And damn, I just did the map, and uploaded it!!!!

Here:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/Map.jpg

I think it would be full with any more.

You guys suck. BYe

If the number of nations aren't already set I'd be interested in joining

That map is good shall we be our own countries then?

Whats Kotterdam?

Ya, I can start.

And I think we are full, though I would ask the host first.

I see your full ok bye then. By the way you guys have fun.

Ahm scorched earth (russians burned moscow down in 1812 to starve the french).

I get the coldest country.

Look whos dummy now.

We are our own countries, dummy.

Finally, levelled playing fields, no ultra DT tech.

So what are we fighting for then, and who is with who? Shall we say me, Dark Terror and Talaax onto FC, Reich and Falastur?

Look whos dummy now.

We are our own countries, dummy.

Finally, levelled playing fields, no ultra DT tech.
Fine, my country=bitter cold winters.


Yeah I figured, this is about tactics, not technology. No gatling guns in case someone tries to bring em.

Still, mind giving me a big, cold, sparsley populated country?

Oh dear lord, we are gonna DIE.

Anyway, are we building our atmy, or do we already have 150,000 men each?

Anyway, I got to go, see ya tommorow to RP.

My army (if I have one) splits into 2 on defendive positions on the river.

Can I RP a sqaud of 6

Right, we are fighting over nothing here. So I'll make something up. Kotterdam is up for grabs. Talaax believes they have a right to own it, but so does Freedom Country. In support of Talaax come me and DT. Reich and Falastur support you. Say every country has 175,000 men each. It's up to you to use effectiveness of the weapons which were used in this time and can be used now. These can be found on the internet. We are all big countries, shouldn't be a problem. Let's fight!

Parthenon, on whose side?

I agree, our own countries. There is a map of my country in existance already. We could just say teh campaign is an invasion of my country so that we can have a detailed map. Or, we could take the map of the region and place ourselves as countries on it. Here's the link.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/molopae/map/Reichmap.jpg

Let us close the RP to prevent so many people from coming in.

I can find some battlefield maps from old days so that we can have battlefields to fight on. I am a big strategy nut so I will want some good descriptions of the troop layouts that are visible to me.

Remember details of armies size were sketchy and only through cavalry recon and other intelligence were we able to find out what exactly is going on.

Ok. Dark Terror has invaded you over a quarrel. Our sides are already chosen. Keep it in contact with each other. See you tomorrow!

Parthenon, on whose side? Anyones

If you care and will make something out of these statements:
my uniforms are green, my troops get boots one size too large so they can stuff em with straw in the winter, and the muskets I use are painted black to avoid glistening in the sun.

*goes off to dig up more info about the Tzarist Army in the Napoleonic War*

hmmm....looks pretty good, so basically we have been split into two allied sides? fair enough.....all in all - cool!

*goes off to research battle tactics* :)

Invasion of Reichskamphen sounds good to me. I'm fine with being allied with DT and Blue Order. I hope the two of you are tactically profficient with the armies of the era?

I am extremely proficient with the armies of the era. My men shall essentially be the French Army but they will carry royal flags like my national flag. They shall be armed with Charleville smoothbore muskets like the french army was.

Overall, I will take something about the size of the Grande Armee if everyone is invading me. perhaps 600,000 men so I have a fighting chance. Everyone can attack me. You are all invading me for my aggressive actions. I think I can fight off a grand coalition.

Lets say I invaded Parthenon and they are on my side and their troops are fighting for me but only until I get whipped then they will change allegiances.

Mercenaries for hire. ;)

Sounds good to me. I suppose I'll take 250,000 men and 1,500 cannon of various calibers.
When will we begin?

Yeah if youll be another Napoleon well get butchered.

Until we get the hang of it.

Sounds good to me. I suppose I'll take 250,000 men and 1,500 cannon of various calibers.
When will we begin?

errrmm....whats the unit cap on this? its changed a little....im not sure how many troops we're allowed....

thanks.....

I will base my troops on hundreds od cannons, and fewer infantary, for ranged attacks.

hmmm....interesting tactic to say the least....your choice tho....

Hey, I am a defensive person.

I have 1 battle plan laid out........

Anyway, I will be FC, which used to be a huge army, united, with many races, and types.

Ill carry over some of my modern tactics into this... namely using cavalry to cut off an enemy, and then blowing him into the ground with artillery instead of chraging.

Look at the map and tell me where yall want to come from, then I will make the plans.

Ill march down from Akkiliam... being up north.

I am Reichskamphen...thats a helluva march...could take a couple years
to march that on foot its like one side of russia to the other. Id advise coming closer

Lets say I occupied some stuff in the middle..

after all were big imperialistic bullies, no?

Ill march down from Akkiliam... being up north.

march down from akkiliam in the north? i thought you were in the south? unless of course thats one of your lands you are marching from?

im just a little slow....dont mind me :wink:

I am assembling a war fleet now to cut round the back of Reichskamphen, in war ships and carriers. I am concentrating more on men than on artillery. I have around 300,000 men with only 300 cannon and 200 grapeshot. Are we allowed financial backing from other countries? My ships will make 15 trips, landing men in the unmanned country of " 11 ". We shall station ourselves here until our whole force can attack Reichskamphen, with the aid of Talaax and Dark Terror, and conquer them!

OOC: You will have to make many trips yes because Napoleon's entire Armada for the Egyptian expedition only brough some 45,000 men I think and it was huge. It may have been less but definately not much more.

We'll attack from the east. Our army as stated before contains 250,000 men and 1,500 cannon of various types.

My army is made up of 100,000 soldiers, with over 25,000 artillery pieces, and various support.

Thanks to our country selling 400,000 tons of granite to Bobalesh, part of the deal is 5,000 heavy cannon and 5,000 grapeshot. We thank them for this, but know that these do not compare to Freedom Country's weaponry. We believe, however, that these may help us further achieving our goal. We have alo decided 20 trips to "11" due to our large numbers. I will be contacting Talaax and Dark Terror very shortly.

Sorry, 200,000 soldiers.

I have 1 Armada, made up of a couple of Ships of the Line, and loads of Frigates.

My troops hold a defensive position around our main town, Freedom City, surrounded by water.

The first of my ships are leaving now. We estimate the journey to take around two weeks N/S time, so estimate two real days for getting all my troops to "11", which we have now renamed Victory Island. Bluehaven Harbour is where the ships are currently departing from, so I will sit back and wait till they get there.

OOC: shall we set up a different thread for the actual fighting?

If you want.

A second port and town are being set up, and the place where the rivers meet.

Well, when everyone is in position, we'll do it then.

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Lets say 75,000 troops... not counting cavalry.

My navy is mainly frigates with a few ships of the line.

Talaaxian Navy will be made up of 100 Frigates and 100 Corvettes, if that sounds unreasonable I'll change them.
I believe the plan is for myself, Blue Order and Dark Terror to be attacking Reichskamphen, Freedom Country and the other guy ( sorry forgot the name ). But I may be wrong, correct me if I am.

Our little island is now considered almost inpenetrable.

Also, a highland 1st Division is being recruited.

Say every country has 175,000 men each.
We'll attack from the east. Our army as stated before contains 250,000 men and 1,500 cannon of various types.

I have around 300,000 men with only 300 cannon and 200 grapeshot.

OOC ummm....not meant to offend, or have a go at anyone, but are we having a limit to troop numbers or not? *is confused*

IC no matter, anyway, i have 150,000 infantry, supported by 20,000 cavalry and backed by 5,000 crew on the guns, making for around 1,000 guns i believe.....

positioned on slightly raised ground on three edges, most of my guns overview the main entry routes into my land, and are backed up by most of my cavalry and infantry. I will post numbers and army groups shortly....

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*scratches head*

btw guys, can anyone find a battle simulator for this era that ISNT pbs.com? i looked everywhere, and every place ALWAYS sends me to that website....wouldnt be that bad if it werent to keep on telling me to download java something machine, and then tell me i cant use it....

Alright, so who is with me?

The Armies of Russia during many of the campaigns were only about 60,000 per huge army and 45000 for smaller ones. There were seldom more than one or two huge armies.

I say if everyone is attacking me, put a cap on your armies at about 100,000 a piece divided up and save some for later. So send in 45,000 or 60,000 as an army and if I whip them and they have to fall back send in more to reinforce or to open another front.

And...erm 25,000 cannon. That is likely more than Napoleon had in his entire career. If you had 25,000 cannot you have to have 5 men to man each cannon. and that means you have 125,000 men manning the artillery and no one to defend them
which means they are crushed and it woudl go over the 100,000 limit. Napoleon captured 600 Cannon at Austerlitz. I say keep cannons in the field to about 1000.

Cavalry is of your own choosing. But it should be 100000 artillery and cavalry included. I will have a possible army of 600,000 if everyone is beating at me but only 200,000 will be deployed in various places in differant armies. The rest can be called up later if needed. I will keep about 1000 cannon with each army but that will be all i will ever have. I can manufacture up to 500 more cannon but thats about it. Cavalary..about 10,000 cavalry per army...I am a big cavalry guy.

You will have to keep up with the baggage trains behind the army too with all the weapons and powder and rations and tents and everything that makes an army go. So that will weigh you down. So if you go too far too fast you could lose your supply train and bad things would happen. Winfield Scott did that in the March to Mexico City and Won overwhelmingly. It just depends on what you want to do.

Tommorrow night the fighting begins. I will start a thread and you tell me exactly where on the map you are coming in. After that I will have to rely on the population and cavalry recon to find you just as you will have to do the same to find me.

-Thompson

Wow, times have changed (a mere 150 years later there were what 20 million russian troops in ww2?)...


Fine, 45,000 troops, 7,500 cavalry, the rest are artillery crewmen, and cooks+whatnot.

There were over 2 million in the entire Napoleonic wars from beginning to end but the Russian Army at any one time never went over like 800,000 in all even when they were fighting Le Grande Armee of 600,000.

Okay

I have 50,000 soldiers, 10,000 cavalry and about 10,000 cannons and stuff.

Well, I'll keep my 300,000 men on Victory Island, but I will send them in groups of 50,000 attacking Reichskamphen, with 250 cannon and 250 grapeshot. If they get are defeated ( which I think a few will ) then I will try bolster numbers. Also, I am training 1,000 blacks on my colonies in the Skull Islands, to get them aware of tactical warfare.

Okay

Back up to 200,000 men then....

Well just keep them in reserve. Keep it going for longer won't it. How many men overall did each side in the American Civil War anyway over the course of it? We should base our numbers on that.

well im allied to reich i believe....if we are going with the earlier post about kotterdam.....(see page 2 i think)

I was led to believe that one NS year = one real day??? Is this true? I have now got around 150,000 men on Victory Island. This includes 5,000 cavalry. This is along with 1,000 grapeshot and cannons. The rest of my men are on their way now. I shall be consulting with Talaax and Dark Terror on our plan of action.

My choice of musket is the Model 1855 U.S. Percussion Rifle-Musket, used during the American Civil War. All of my infantry shall be equipped with this rifle. The great Blue Orderians, and the fighting Ulstermen, waiting for the time when they can return to their own rightful country, shall fight valiantly for the possesion of Reichskamphen.

OOC: If we are using rifle muskets that means cavalry charges wont be useful we will have to use Civil War Cavalry tactics. Napoleon's armies used smoothbore Charleville rifles. They could hit a person but not too accurately at 200 yards or so. Rifle muskets can do about 1000 yards if you use the Civil War type scope. This means that when the Cavalry is charging at a Napoleonic formation, they maybe have one to two good volleys which will be anywhere close to accurate and at the same time most of them arent really aiming they are just desperately trying to get off rounds. With the rifle muskets, there are many more volleys that can be gotten off resulting in the cavalry charge being eliminated or routed or at least forced to turn back a while before they get there. This forced the Civil War Cavalry to serve as Recon, raiders, and in their traditional roles only when enemies were teetering or already driven back. I am perfectly willing to adopt the Civil War standards but just know that when the weapons change the tactics change.

The highest number of men that was ever in the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia was something like either 45,000 or 60,000, more likely 45,000. The Union Army at majour battles had sometimes 100,000 or more troops to oppose them and the Confederates still whipped them most of the time. In the entire War, I honestly cant remember what the number of men serving was but 300,000 Yankees were killed and about 150000 Confederates. I cant remember exactly but I think the Yankee Army was 5 million men all told and the Confederate two million men perhaps 1.5 million. Ill check my numbers and see whether or not I just lied.

-Thompson

I was led to believe that one NS year = one real day??? Is this true?

yes, if you want it to be....we also have "liquid time" - basically time changes to be however fast to suit your purpose.....

for this we will probably be using liquid time, as 1 day = 1 yr is a bit fast for this :)

Our army, while growing, remains in ahighly defensive position.

300,000 of my troops are now on Victory Island. Of these, 10,000 are cavalry, 5,000 medics, the rest infantry. I am to use no navy at all. Ships cost money, lives don't. My artillery, I have decided will be around 2,000. In 10 days time, my 50,000 of my army (48,000 army, 1,500 cavalry, 500 medics ) will march upon Reichskamphen. Reichskamphen will feel ultimate annihilation.

OOC: Lets straighten out who is allied with whom and if I have no allies and am simply defending myself that is ok too.

IC: If your armies set one foot upon the sacred soil of Reichskamphen, it shall be cut off and cast to the dogs. You shall be the one annhialated. I pray for you and for your men and for your soul.

His Royal Highness,
King Nathaniel Thompson I
Sovreign of Reichskamphen and Russapovia.

OOC: My nation in regular NS is part of the Triune Kingdom. The two nations I began with are Reichskamphen and Russapovia, then I gained Scotta when a friend left NS. This is well before the gaining of Scotta so it will be RPd as something like the Holy Roman Empire, many city states and no really good central control. Russapovia was conquered according to my story and this will be just after the Conquest of Russapovia therefore, little help can come from them until later. King Nathaniel Thompson I is the great great great great Grandfather of the Current King, Will Thompson II and the founder of the Dynasty. In this story, Nathaniel rose to power 35 years ago and is currently 55 years old. There are still divisions within Reichskamphen about the Throne and who should hold it. That is just some background to fill things out.

You are allied with Freedom Country and Falastur. I am marching through Russapovia. My 50,000 men and artillery and getting ready to set off in one day.

The Talaaxian Expeditionary of 35,000 Grenadiers, 5,000 Dragoons/Curassiers, 250 Heavy Caliber Cannon and 250 Light Caliber Cannon, will march through Russapovia, parallel to the Blue Orderian Army. We will march down the main road in the south towards Kamphstadt and then to the Reichskamphen/Gagarin border, then north to Reichburg. I'll post in the other thread shortly.

I have seen the map.

And I have found you.

Are we using the WHOLE thing, and where do I start?

Anywhere you want.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77351 Use this for battles.

Okay

My troops origonally start at 'Axis America'.

I have one army of 100,000 men Arbeitstabt, to the north of it, one posted where the road passes over/round the river, adn one on the nature reseve off it.

Happy?

Talaax, I will meet you at Kamphstadt. Be ready with your men. Our spies are currently assessing the weakest fort holding this line. We shall take it by extreme force.

Fair enough.

Whos on whos team again?

Talaax, I will meet you at Kamphstadt. Be ready with your men. Our spies are currently assessing the weakest fort holding this line. We shall take it by extreme force.
No march towards Elbestadt then to New Braunau. We'll meet up in central Reichskamphen at Kasierstadt to and then push on Reichsburg.

Me, Dark Terror and Talaax. The other side is you, Falastur and Reichskamphen.

At the Nature Reserve off Axis America

The 100,000 man army, with huge amounts of cannons, boards on a great Armada, due for Kamphstahdt.

The Armada set off, due off for 5 days.

Is that such a good idea?? Maybe I should take the fort at Kamphstadt, and meet you in Kaiserstadt. What do you suggest?

That's more of a two week journey and it would take two or three trips to bring all of those men there. Remember these ships aren't as fast or capable as modern ships.

It is a good idea. Why present one front when we can present two or even three fronts for them to defend? By attacking two sperate locations we force the enemy to choose to either defend only one of them or split his forces and defend both.

Ignore this post.

So, Talaax, we split up for the time being?

For now, we will meet up in Kaiserstadt. We will combine our forces there for a final assault on Reichsburg. DT, if you would be willing, we'd like you to attack from the north but pause your troops near Reichburg until our troops can get there so we can all combine our forces for the attack there.

We need DT to come in from the sea, maybe like the D-Day landings but with muskets, get him to make landings all over there coast and then attack from there.

OOC: With allies then, my armies will be at about 200,000 with 5,000 Cannons that are mobile. Cannons off of the forts can be pirated should it be necessary to add numbers. 100,000 will be in Reichskamphen and another 100,000 in Russapovia. Remember, Russapovia is my land too. You wont be going through there unopposed.

I really want FC's troops to come in, but like I say Napoleon's huge Armada only had like 45-60,000 troops. If it is a huge armada, then I say make two trips. The Royal Navy will come to your assistance.

Here is what we shall base our Navies off of. My Navy shall be very large as all ships abroad have been called in. 45 Ships of the Line 82 Frigates there shall also be 250 armed transports, 350 other miscellaneous smaller craft and 25 Gladius Raiders. That last class is my own odd invention and is relatively classified until you see them in action.

Prepare to meet your doom. Haha

I'm just about to take Elbestadt now. There is nothing you can do to stop me. Your only hope is stopping us getting New Braunau. We act quickly, your countrymen seem to be a bit slow. Well, your it's own fault. Say goodbye to Elbestadt.

Im marching on Reichsburg... doesnt mean Ill get halfway there.

Blue Order, you're being a bit erratic here and I'm somewhat confused. Are you conquering all of Russapovia or will we be taking part in some of the fighting there?

I'm taking Elbestadt, you take New Braunau.

Will do. Troops are on their way. Do we know how many men New Braunau can be expected to muster?

The population of Russapovia is about the 930 mill. mark. There biggest city is New Braunau. So about 8-9 million population. I think they'll be able to muster a lot.

My men have took Elbestadt, suffering fairly heavy losses. They were not prepared. New Braunau will be. It will be a very hard task.

Errrr...ehh...Owning the country...I think that is my call to say who took what. I was going to fight you for it, but I have been a bit too busy as of late. I say we delete that action as godmodding and have a fight over it. I will be a bit slow on the uptake on many times simply because I am now running a large scale war in NS and busy in rl too.

Give me where these things are taking place and I will post there. Next time, just because I am a bit slow doesnt mean I am taking no action. It just means i haven't responded yet. Fluid time...

Uhmm, with all due respect, I think the point of this is to use tactics and try to decimate the enemies armies, not say "My 120988521856928156 ubersoldrers have taken over the world!!!111!!!!"

Thats what I am doing. Check the other thread. I have posted King Nathaniels moves.