NationStates Jolt Archive


Buying Military

29-09-2003, 15:20
I've been smart, considered by most people, and saved up so I can buy my first military units all at the same time. For this upgrade, I have $59,755,003,750 (Let's just say $60 Billion), to spend on it. I'm looking for prefabricated packages of all types. Please post your offers here, not links. Also, give me specs on EACH unit you're offering me.
Crookfur
29-09-2003, 15:24
Did we ever agree on that divisional deal i offered? i kind of lost track of things for a while back there.
29-09-2003, 15:25
Ummm... I think we did, where I'd allow you to build the things in my nation, then use them for 10 days? Or did I miss something?
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 15:25
For a whole wing of these (72 Aircraft) it will be 2.16 Billion

For a Squadron of 24 it is 672 million

or for just one it is 35 million, these are great for special ops.

"The MH-73 Night Owl is an innovative and groundbreaking development in the field of personnel transport helicraft. With a stealthy design based on the the RAH-66 Comanche's stealth body form but with the capacity to bear as many men as any modern medium-lift helicopter. The Night Owl is ideal for Special Operations employments for the insertion of significant covert might deep behind enemy lines with a minimized chance of detection. Special design features enhance the capabilities and decrease the dangers and maintenance issues that are normally faced with such craft. The MH-73 promises to revolutionize modern airborne covert operations forces."

The Night Owl borrows the Stacked-rotor system from the Russian Kamov line, which allows the MH-73 to drop the tail rotor that otherwise presents an issue for RCS reductions.

The pilot and co-pilot sit side by side on armour protected seats. The other two crew members are seated in armored seats at their stations. The forward hinged doors are jettisonable. Meanwhile, the heated and ventilated main cabin can accommodate up to 20 armed troops, who are protected by a layer of Kevlar/SilkArmor Interwoven Ballistic Protection Material (K/SA I-BPM) and a layer of steel plating.


Engines:
Type: 2 x GE T700-GE-401C turboshaft engines
Take-off rating: 1,260kW each

Range: 400-550 statute miles (without external tanks)

Cruise Speed: 184 mph / 296 km/h / 160 kts
MAX Speed (DO NOT EXCEED): 219mph / 353km/h / 190 kts

Vertical rate of climb (95% MRP):
4000' 95°F 1,600 fpm
2000' 70°F 2,800 fpm
SLS 3,000+ fpm

MAX Ceiling: 20,000 ft ASL (Above Sea Level)

Dimensions
Main rotor diameter: 16.36m
Overall length with rotors turning: 19.76m

Height to top of rotor head: 4.12m
Length of fuselage: 15.26m
Cabin volume: 11.6m^3

Empty Weight: 12,200lbs
Max Weight: 19,000lbs

Primary Function: Covert Infiltration, exfiltration and resupply of special operations forces in day, night or marginal weather conditions.


ARMAMENT: Twin, retractable ------ Gatling guns that sit in covered bays on the belly of the aircraft during standard operations.

Bolt on wings much like the Comanche's are possible as well, and the Night Owl maintains the weapons pylon attachment sites of the H-60 series.

GUN Options:
1) Army M134 (AKA: Air Force GAU-2B/A; Navy GAU-17A) 7.62mm "minigun" with flash-suppressor (Standard door gun on Blackhawk series. Can be internally or externally mounted (not under-nose).
Info: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/m134.htm


2) GAU-19/A 12.6mm (.50 cal) Externally Mounted Gatling Gun
Info:
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/2002/arm_systems/pdf-name/GAU-19%20Ext%20Mounted.pdf (64k PDF)
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/gau-19_externalmount/gau-19_external.htm

3) XM301 20mm Gatling Gun (on Comanche)
Info:
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/comanche/comanche.htm
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/xm301/xm301.htm


MANNING:
Crew: 2 pilots, one flight engineer and one gunner (4 total)
Passengers: 14 Fully-equipped Soldiers (20 with weapons and combat-packs only)




FEATURES:

Mission Capabilities
* VERTREP (Vertical Replenishment)
* Strike Rescue
* Special Warfare Support (SWS),
* MEDEVAC
* Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR)
* Anti-surface Strike
* Covert recovery of sensor torpedoes, drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, and unmanned undersea vehicles
* Noncombatant evacuation operations

Mission Systems
* Aircraft Survivability Systems
* Infrared (IR) Jamming System
* Chaff and Flare Dispensers (2)
* Radar Warning Receiver
* Emergency Locator
* Hover IR Suppressor System
* Wire Strike Protection Systems (incl. Line Cutter)
* Advanced Flight Controls
* Marinized Materials (Approved for naval operations)
* Automatic Main Rotor Fold (for rapid stowage)
* Rapid Folding Tail Pylon (for rapid stowage)
* Rotor Brake System
* In-Flight Refueling Capability
* Fuel-Dumping Capability

Communications Systems
* Dual UHF/VHF/FM Radios
* HF Radio
* IFF
* VHF/UHF/HF/IFF Crypto Computers

Navigation Systems
* VHF/UHF DF
* TACAN
* TACNAV
* Doppler Radar
* Radar Altimeter
* Embedded GPS/INS
* FLIR (Forward-Looking Infrared) Integrated Targeting and Guidance Systems

Tactical Data Systems
* Dual, Redundant Mission Computers
* Digital Data Bus Architecture (MIL-STD-1553B)
* Multi-function Keypad Access
* Cockpit Video Displays
* Two "smart" Multi-Function Displays (SMFD)
* Two Multi-Function Displays (MFD)
* Limited Hands On Throttle and Stick (HOTAS) capability
* Two mission computers and a flight control computer.

Mission Subsystems
* 9,000 Pound Capacity External Cargo Hook
* Night Vision Goggle Compatible Lighting
* Rescue Hoist
* Automatic Approach, Coupled Hover, Automatic Departure

Weapon System Compatibility (Ext. Mount Pylons)
* Various Machine Guns
* 2.75" Rockets
* Stinger Missile
* Maverick
* Hellfire II Missile (various makes)

Each SMFD presents flight instrument, warning/caution/advisory (WCA), navigation, and engine information, while each MFD presents aircraft system, detailed WCA, and mission information. Particularly noteworthy, is the novel WCA system which breaks the paradigm of the standard caution/advisory panel, incorporating logic, prioritization, and graphics functions during WCA processing and display on the MFD's.

The Night Owl will be able to operate day or night, under adverse weather conditions, including flight in light icing. The helicopter will be compatible with all current and future Aircraft Carriers, CLF, and ATF ships to include fitting inside the hangars of all CLF ships without ship alteration. The helicopter will be capable of operating over all designated ship hover areas, both day and night, and be compatible for limited operation aboard both aviation and air capable ships proportionate with a fixed fore-to-aft wheelbase of 29 feet.

The Blackhawk-style tail wheel, positioned further aft, allows for a steeper landing approach to a confined area. The Night Owl’s larger cabin (as in Western Asia’s Nighthawk) will enable it to carry more troops; its two larger cargo doors will allow more rapid deployment of the rigid inflatable boats for Navy sea-air-land (SEAL) type team members. The Night Owl also will be more crash-worthy than the standard UH-60, and will be fitted with better self-sealing fuel tanks capable of withstanding rounds up to 7.62 mm. The external stores support system installed on the Night Owl will allow more fuel and weapons to be carried.
29-09-2003, 15:28
For a whole wing of these (72 Aircraft) it will be 2.16 Billion

For a Squadron of 24 it is 672 million

or for just one it is 35 million, these are great for special ops.

"The MH-73 Night Owl is an innovative and groundbreaking development in the field of personnel transport helicraft. With a stealthy design based on the the RAH-66 Comanche's stealth body form but with the capacity to bear as many men as any modern medium-lift helicopter. The Night Owl is ideal for Special Operations employments for the insertion of significant covert might deep behind enemy lines with a minimized chance of detection. Special design features enhance the capabilities and decrease the dangers and maintenance issues that are normally faced with such craft. The MH-73 promises to revolutionize modern airborne covert operations forces."

The Night Owl borrows the Stacked-rotor system from the Russian Kamov line, which allows the MH-73 to drop the tail rotor that otherwise presents an issue for RCS reductions.

The pilot and co-pilot sit side by side on armour protected seats. The other two crew members are seated in armored seats at their stations. The forward hinged doors are jettisonable. Meanwhile, the heated and ventilated main cabin can accommodate up to 20 armed troops, who are protected by a layer of Kevlar/SilkArmor Interwoven Ballistic Protection Material (K/SA I-BPM) and a layer of steel plating.


Engines:
Type: 2 x GE T700-GE-401C turboshaft engines
Take-off rating: 1,260kW each

Range: 400-550 statute miles (without external tanks)

Cruise Speed: 184 mph / 296 km/h / 160 kts
MAX Speed (DO NOT EXCEED): 219mph / 353km/h / 190 kts

Vertical rate of climb (95% MRP):
4000' 95°F 1,600 fpm
2000' 70°F 2,800 fpm
SLS 3,000+ fpm

MAX Ceiling: 20,000 ft ASL (Above Sea Level)

Dimensions
Main rotor diameter: 16.36m
Overall length with rotors turning: 19.76m

Height to top of rotor head: 4.12m
Length of fuselage: 15.26m
Cabin volume: 11.6m^3

Empty Weight: 12,200lbs
Max Weight: 19,000lbs

Primary Function: Covert Infiltration, exfiltration and resupply of special operations forces in day, night or marginal weather conditions.


ARMAMENT: Twin, retractable ------ Gatling guns that sit in covered bays on the belly of the aircraft during standard operations.

Bolt on wings much like the Comanche's are possible as well, and the Night Owl maintains the weapons pylon attachment sites of the H-60 series.

GUN Options:
1) Army M134 (AKA: Air Force GAU-2B/A; Navy GAU-17A) 7.62mm "minigun" with flash-suppressor (Standard door gun on Blackhawk series. Can be internally or externally mounted (not under-nose).
Info: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/m134.htm


2) GAU-19/A 12.6mm (.50 cal) Externally Mounted Gatling Gun
Info:
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/2002/arm_systems/pdf-name/GAU-19%20Ext%20Mounted.pdf (64k PDF)
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/gau-19_externalmount/gau-19_external.htm

3) XM301 20mm Gatling Gun (on Comanche)
Info:
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/comanche/comanche.htm
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/xm301/xm301.htm


MANNING:
Crew: 2 pilots, one flight engineer and one gunner (4 total)
Passengers: 14 Fully-equipped Soldiers (20 with weapons and combat-packs only)




FEATURES:

Mission Capabilities
* VERTREP (Vertical Replenishment)
* Strike Rescue
* Special Warfare Support (SWS),
* MEDEVAC
* Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR)
* Anti-surface Strike
* Covert recovery of sensor torpedoes, drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, and unmanned undersea vehicles
* Noncombatant evacuation operations

Mission Systems
* Aircraft Survivability Systems
* Infrared (IR) Jamming System
* Chaff and Flare Dispensers (2)
* Radar Warning Receiver
* Emergency Locator
* Hover IR Suppressor System
* Wire Strike Protection Systems (incl. Line Cutter)
* Advanced Flight Controls
* Marinized Materials (Approved for naval operations)
* Automatic Main Rotor Fold (for rapid stowage)
* Rapid Folding Tail Pylon (for rapid stowage)
* Rotor Brake System
* In-Flight Refueling Capability
* Fuel-Dumping Capability

Communications Systems
* Dual UHF/VHF/FM Radios
* HF Radio
* IFF
* VHF/UHF/HF/IFF Crypto Computers

Navigation Systems
* VHF/UHF DF
* TACAN
* TACNAV
* Doppler Radar
* Radar Altimeter
* Embedded GPS/INS
* FLIR (Forward-Looking Infrared) Integrated Targeting and Guidance Systems

Tactical Data Systems
* Dual, Redundant Mission Computers
* Digital Data Bus Architecture (MIL-STD-1553B)
* Multi-function Keypad Access
* Cockpit Video Displays
* Two "smart" Multi-Function Displays (SMFD)
* Two Multi-Function Displays (MFD)
* Limited Hands On Throttle and Stick (HOTAS) capability
* Two mission computers and a flight control computer.

Mission Subsystems
* 9,000 Pound Capacity External Cargo Hook
* Night Vision Goggle Compatible Lighting
* Rescue Hoist
* Automatic Approach, Coupled Hover, Automatic Departure

Weapon System Compatibility (Ext. Mount Pylons)
* Various Machine Guns
* 2.75" Rockets
* Stinger Missile
* Maverick
* Hellfire II Missile (various makes)

Each SMFD presents flight instrument, warning/caution/advisory (WCA), navigation, and engine information, while each MFD presents aircraft system, detailed WCA, and mission information. Particularly noteworthy, is the novel WCA system which breaks the paradigm of the standard caution/advisory panel, incorporating logic, prioritization, and graphics functions during WCA processing and display on the MFD's.

The Night Owl will be able to operate day or night, under adverse weather conditions, including flight in light icing. The helicopter will be compatible with all current and future Aircraft Carriers, CLF, and ATF ships to include fitting inside the hangars of all CLF ships without ship alteration. The helicopter will be capable of operating over all designated ship hover areas, both day and night, and be compatible for limited operation aboard both aviation and air capable ships proportionate with a fixed fore-to-aft wheelbase of 29 feet.

The Blackhawk-style tail wheel, positioned further aft, allows for a steeper landing approach to a confined area. The Night Owl’s larger cabin (as in Western Asia’s Nighthawk) will enable it to carry more troops; its two larger cargo doors will allow more rapid deployment of the rigid inflatable boats for Navy sea-air-land (SEAL) type team members. The Night Owl also will be more crash-worthy than the standard UH-60, and will be fitted with better self-sealing fuel tanks capable of withstanding rounds up to 7.62 mm. The external stores support system installed on the Night Owl will allow more fuel and weapons to be carried.

I will take a whole wing of them (71 Aircraft).

~$2.16 Billion Wired~
Crookfur
29-09-2003, 15:28
Ummm... I think we did, where I'd allow you to build the things in my nation, then use them for 10 days? Or did I miss something?

i think i got the use of the trained and equipped division for 10years yeah. as to the bases i'm not sure on that part.
29-09-2003, 15:30
I said alright on the bases, that you could build them, and use them for 10 years. I'm not sure about the rest though... what was the whole deal? LOL
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 15:30
I will take a whole wing of them (71 Aircraft).

~$2.16 Billion Wired~

Aircraft will arive within 2-3 RL days. (we just started producing them, so our manufacturing has to gear up for it.)
29-09-2003, 15:32
I will pay an extra 500 Million if you can make it one day.
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 15:33
Perhaps You would be interested in My Silencer Submarine, it is a modification of the Ohio Class.

Using increased automation we have reduced the crew size of an Ohio class submarine down to 11 officers and 61 men

We have also removed the missile silos of the Ohio and put in Hangar space for 3 helicopters, 1 RAH-66 Commache, and 2 MH-73 Night Owls special operations helicopters. Along with Hangar space is billeting and some training room for up to 55 Special operations soldiers.
there are also two small special forces minisubs and 5 Zodiac stored within the vessel.

the Normal armanent of the Silencer class will be 4 MK 48 size Torpedo tubes.

with the decreased weight the Silencer is good for 24 Knots submerged and 20 surfaced.
none of the silence of the original ohio has been lost by the original conversion

Cost for production of one of these vessels for export is 1.56 Billion Dollars
this also includes the Helicopters and Minisubs
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 15:34
I will pay an extra 500 Million if you can make it one day.


Ok 24 are on their way.
I get you two of the squadrons tommorow(48 Aircraft)
29-09-2003, 15:35
Perhaps You would be interested in My Silencer Submarine, it is a modification of the Ohio Class.

Using increased automation we have reduced the crew size of an Ohio class submarine down to 11 officers and 61 men

We have also removed the missile silos of the Ohio and put in Hangar space for 3 helicopters, 1 RAH-66 Commache, and 2 MH-73 Night Owls special operations helicopters. Along with Hangar space is billeting and some training room for up to 55 Special operations soldiers.
there are also two small special forces minisubs and 5 Zodiac stored within the vessel.

the Normal armanent of the Silencer class will be 4 MK 48 size Torpedo tubes.

with the decreased weight the Silencer is good for 24 Knots submerged and 20 surfaced.
none of the silence of the original ohio has been lost by the original conversion

Cost for production of one of these vessels for export is 1.56 Billion Dollars
this also includes the Helicopters and Minisubs

Hmmm.... this might have potential in my military, once I build some acceptable docks. I will tag this offer, it has much interest to me.
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 15:36
Well at least someone has shown interest in what i produce
Crookfur
29-09-2003, 15:36
I said alright on the bases, that you could build them, and use them for 10 years. I'm not sure about the rest though... what was the whole deal? LOL

Since i can't remeber the details we'll leave it at the bases, how about i pay you say $0.5billion a year to continue using them.
29-09-2003, 15:39
Nono, Crookfur. Since you're building them in the first place for me, the first 10 years are free. Any use after that is .5 Billion.
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 15:44
And finally my last offer, for coastal defense

Mongoose Class Fast Missile Patrol Boat

Engine Two Gas powered Twin Turbocharged 5.7 liter( 346ci) V8's
Propulsion Twin Vectoring Waterjets capable of pushing the vessel to a max speed of 53 Knots
Crew 2 officers and 10 Sailors
Armanment 4 .50 Caliber M2 HMG's in two twin mounts both Bow and Stern mounted
4 Stinger missiles in one quad launcher mounted just aft of the Bridge
8 Harpoon missiles in two quad launchers mounted on the port and Stern Rear quarters


Cost: 35 Million

(this is exhausts all the products i produce myself)

I'll sell you them in squadrons of 6 for 180 million. (this is very good for starter navies.) (makes bigger vessels wish they weren't so big)
29-09-2003, 15:52
I'll buy 24 SQUADRONS of the Mongooses... yes, whole squadrons. That totals... ummm... $4,320,000,000... sooo...

~$4.32 Billion Wired~
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 15:53
I'll buy 24 SQUADRONS of the Mongooses... yes, whole squadrons. That totals... ummm... $4,320,000,000... sooo...

~$4.32 Billion Wired~

Order Confirmed, they will be arriving at a rate of 6 Squadrons a day, for the next four days.
Crookfur
29-09-2003, 15:58
Soudns good to me.

Anyway I can sell you all the equipment for a Division for the price of 5 billion.
the equipment includes:
CFT-7 Gilgamesh MBT: 232
CFCV-211 Infra IFV: 660
CFA-3 Bowman: 96
CFCV-215 Odin: 20
CFA-5 Naga MLRS: 24
CFCV-111 Stoat APC: 35
CFCV-112 Stoat IFV: 36
CFCV-113 Stoat AT: 28
CFCV-114 Stoat AA: 88
CFCV-115 Stoat LA: 4
CFCV-116 Stoat C: 10
SAM8L batteries: 9
155mm towed Artillery guns: 96
Other Vehicles: 400 (mainly trucks and land rovers)
Mi-24CF1 Ultra Hinds: 16
K45 Vandal Light helicopters: 8

i would post the stats for all of this but that would make a monster post so if you want i'll send you a TG.
29-09-2003, 15:59
I can sell you 1,000,000 Yotian Soldiers for 250,000,000,000.

Yotian Soldiers are artifacts, steel soldiers essentialy, they dont qualify as robots because they have no circutry or otherwise, just gears and pullys to move their joints. The enitre thing is centered around powerstones, little blue rocks that provide all of our artifacts with energy. Being a medeival fantasy nation, all of ours are currently equipped with tempered glass blades, but these can be easily removed and replaced with say, chain guns :)
Each YS is about man sized, though much stronger and faster. The only real limitation to how these are used is that somebody has to give them orders, I suggest strapping a walkitalki to the side of thier head.
Verdiloth the Ancient, Minister of Trade
http://boards1.wizards.com/images/avatars/Magic-Verdeloth.jpg
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 16:02
I suggest strapping a walkitalki to the side of thier head.
Verdiloth the Ancient, Minister of Trade
http://boards1.wizards.com/images/avatars/Magic-Verdeloth.jpg

and then someone jams them.................................
29-09-2003, 23:57
*Bump*