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Proposal for world peace

29-09-2003, 07:20
Dear friends of NS community.
Lord Antichrist is very much concerned that there is way too much suffering caused by way too many wars in the international community.
Therefore, he has decided to invite all nations to a grand meeting of world leaders to discuss an end to all wars.
In return, we shall give guests, a new device that will make your crops grow anywhere any time (except in the vacuum of outerspace).
We also offer your nations a great miracle drug that cures ebola, aids, cancer, anthrax and a variety of other diseases.
We have other things you might also find of use.
29-09-2003, 07:32
As a christian nation, we are for peace. We will attend this gathering of yours.
Penguenia
29-09-2003, 07:35
Penguenia would be happy to send a representitave.

http://www.hostmysig.com/data/raziel/ava.jpg
Ambassador and Delegate of Penguenia, Yuri Seki
29-09-2003, 07:36
Be sure to bring what ever the needs of your nation are. It may be that we can be of assistance to you all.
Roania
29-09-2003, 08:12
World peace is bad for business.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:WpWbQBBHCtkC:www.owlhollowgunclub.org/images/heston1.jpg
CRO Edward Black
Principality of Roania
Member of SAVIOUR
Member of GA
Member of CC
Associate member of ToY
Member of the Pilonia Defence Alliance
29-09-2003, 08:17
Hmm... lord Antichrist... that doesn't sound like a plan for world peace.
29-09-2003, 08:20
I hope all nations in the world vote for world peace, then once you are all disarmed I will destroy you all in a lethal rain of fire.
Derto
29-09-2003, 08:51
Hmmm... a nation born on 21:th September that a medicine that cures ebola, aids, cancer, anthrax and a variety of other diseases. I don't think so. But I like your idé for a peace conferance.
Roania
29-09-2003, 08:53
That's right, all you loathsome do-gooders get in one place...
Kurai Nami
29-09-2003, 08:57
Hmm a well placed explosive device would end this do gooder thing rather quickly..
29-09-2003, 09:01
Anyone who disarms is a fool saying "Hey guess what, I'm defenseless! come take advantage of me and invade my nation!" :)
Kurai Nami
29-09-2003, 09:03
Anyone who disarms is a fool saying "Hey guess what, I'm defenseless! come take advantage of me and invade my nation!" :)

Maby thats his plan, to get people to disarm then invade them, with out much resistance.. :D
The Imperial Navy
29-09-2003, 09:09
The Imperial Navy has decided that world peace is not possible.

We are peaceful ourselves, but we have a massive defence.
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 09:09
Seeing as my country is beginning to make decent progress selling weapons, and on top of all that, I'm a paranoid little son of a bitch myself, I won't be attending this conference. I will, however, watch it with interest. I doubt war can be stamped out with a few doses of a miracle drug and a few well-meaning words, but if it can... Well, that'll be the one and only time I'll be happy to see thousands of my countrymen out of work.

- Prime Minister Scott Haley
Roania
29-09-2003, 09:19
Seeing as my country is beginning to make decent progress selling weapons, and on top of all that, I'm a paranoid little son of a bitch myself, I won't be attending this conference. I will, however, watch it with interest. I doubt war can be stamped out with a few doses of a miracle drug and a few well-meaning words, but if it can... Well, that'll be the one and only time I'll be happy to see thousands of my countrymen out of work.

- Prime Minister Scott Haley

Do-gooder.
Beth Gellert
29-09-2003, 09:22
Yeah, disarming's stupid. Everyone knows what happened to Iceland when they stopped..being Vikings and decided not to maintain any armed forces. Y'know, with that prosperity and stuff. Ew.

:?
Roania
29-09-2003, 09:30
Yeah, disarming's stupid. Everyone knows what happened to Iceland when they stopped..being Vikings and decided not to maintain any armed forces. Y'know, with that prosperity and stuff. Ew.

:?

Please. I make a fortune out of the military.
Zvarinograd
29-09-2003, 09:32
Prove us wrong. Prove that humans can attain perfect character, perfection itself. Prove that humans can rid of jealousy, greed, bloodlust, pride, paranoia, fear. Prove that the human mind is not chaotic, unpredictable. Prove that we can attain world peace.

Your intentions are well, but it is beyond human capability.
29-09-2003, 16:26
World peace is bad for business.

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CRO Edward Black
Principality of Roania
Member of SAVIOUR
Member of GA
Member of CC
Associate member of ToY
Member of the Pilonia Defence Alliance

Nay, peace is only bad for business when you are not willing to back it with the threat of armed force.
So you see, all mercenaries, armies, and arms dealers have a role in helping me acheive world peace.
29-09-2003, 16:28
I hope all nations in the world vote for world peace, then once you are all disarmed I will destroy you all in a lethal rain of fire.

Perhaps when you see the fire from Heaven destroy your nation, you will come around and accept world peace.
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 16:36
As a Communist sountry, we also would like world peace, because we cannot afford armeis, and would like an end to violence, and to make the world a peacefull place, with world hatred eliminated
29-09-2003, 16:38
I imagine the meeting would look something like this:
http://mi.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/kyren_negotiations.jpg
Crookfur
29-09-2003, 16:49
Personally true negotiation would look closer to soemthing like this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~stairwl/images/faceoff.jpg



;)
Aylandlandfive
29-09-2003, 18:06
Bring your rain of fire on my nation please. We are in the middle of the monson season at the moment and anything that helps to dry thew place out is more than welcome :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




General Happy Hop
Ministry for War
Aylandlandfive
Sambizie
29-09-2003, 18:19
Bring your rain of fire on my nation please. We are in the middle of the monson season at the moment and anything that helps to dry thew place out is more than welcome

Ummm, careful what you wish for around this place...

And as for the notion of "world-wide" peace, good luck. I am perfectly at peace knowing that I can defend myself. As for the weapons disarmarment...well as show of good faith, I'll melt down a few handguns for you.

Respectfully,
Mwto'ar Uganda
http://nift.firedrake.org/genre/graphics/f_Hammerhead.gif
-APTO-
-UTP-
-TFA-
-LFW-
Population: 723,000,000
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Rare
GDP per Capita: $25,000
GDP: $18,075,000,000,000
National Budget: $5,560,448,400,000
===NATIONAL ALERT LEVEL===
* Peacetime Duties
* Deployment
* State of War
29-09-2003, 19:49
That's right, all you loathsome do-gooders get in one place...

come and join us.
29-09-2003, 19:49
Hmm a well placed explosive device would end this do gooder thing rather quickly..
Fire from heaven will end yours just as quickly.
29-09-2003, 19:50
Anyone who disarms is a fool saying "Hey guess what, I'm defenseless! come take advantage of me and invade my nation!" :)
I say the opposite. The more weapons everyone has, the more peace there will be.
29-09-2003, 19:51
Anyone who disarms is a fool saying "Hey guess what, I'm defenseless! come take advantage of me and invade my nation!" :)

Maby thats his plan, to get people to disarm then invade them, with out much resistance.. :D

Lord AC would never invade his friends. We know everyone in NS is freind of Lord AC.
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 19:52
Seeing as my country is beginning to make decent progress selling weapons, and on top of all that, I'm a paranoid little son of a bitch myself, I won't be attending this conference. I will, however, watch it with interest. I doubt war can be stamped out with a few doses of a miracle drug and a few well-meaning words, but if it can... Well, that'll be the one and only time I'll be happy to see thousands of my countrymen out of work.

- Prime Minister Scott Haley

Do-gooder.

OOC: *Sticks out tongue* Yeah, well... Your momma! *The best insult he can come up with on this little sleep* :roll: :lol:

IC: So? Being the good guy is good for business. Nobody likes a villain.
29-09-2003, 19:52
The Imperial Navy has decided that world peace is not possible.

We are peaceful ourselves, but we have a massive defence.

you are to massive defense. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. But many lives would saved if everyone supported and signed my treaty for world peace.
29-09-2003, 19:55
Seeing as my country is beginning to make decent progress selling weapons, and on top of all that, I'm a paranoid little son of a bitch myself, I won't be attending this conference. I will, however, watch it with interest. I doubt war can be stamped out with a few doses of a miracle drug and a few well-meaning words, but if it can... Well, that'll be the one and only time I'll be happy to see thousands of my countrymen out of work.

- Prime Minister Scott Haley

I support your right to make a living off selling living. We all have the right to make a living.
We invite you to send observers.
29-09-2003, 19:56
Yeah, disarming's stupid. Everyone knows what happened to Iceland when they stopped..being Vikings and decided not to maintain any armed forces. Y'know, with that prosperity and stuff. Ew.

:?

But you see, Iceland did not have me. Lord AC to impose peace on its enemies.
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 19:57
OOC: If I might say, this is a refreshing change from the new guy who wants to declare war on everyone...
29-09-2003, 19:58
Prove us wrong. Prove that humans can attain perfect character, perfection itself. Prove that humans can rid of jealousy, greed, bloodlust, pride, paranoia, fear. Prove that the human mind is not chaotic, unpredictable. Prove that we can attain world peace.

Your intentions are well, but it is beyond human capability.

IN these things you are right. But what is impossible for man is not impossible for someone with gifts from the other side.
Besides, god gave you those traits for a reason. Why try to fight them when you can make them work for you.
29-09-2003, 19:59
As a Communist sountry, we also would like world peace, because we cannot afford armeis, and would like an end to violence, and to make the world a peacefull place, with world hatred eliminated

Perhaps if I were to guarantee your peace.
29-09-2003, 20:01
Personally true negotiation would look closer to soemthing like this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~stairwl/images/faceoff.jpg



;)

This is the way peace has always been secured. Look at Korea. That is how America and North Korea are maintaining their peace. By having loaded guns in each others faces. Cause they don't trust each other.
I think we should aim to raise trust levels among all governments.
29-09-2003, 20:02
Bring your rain of fire on my nation please. We are in the middle of the monson season at the moment and anything that helps to dry thew place out is more than welcome :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




General Happy Hop
Ministry for War
Aylandlandfive

YOu need not fire for that. At Lord Antichrists command the monsoon has stopped. You now have time to evacuate your people before the next one hits in one week.
29-09-2003, 20:03
Bring your rain of fire on my nation please. We are in the middle of the monson season at the moment and anything that helps to dry thew place out is more than welcome

Ummm, careful what you wish for around this place...

And as for the notion of "world-wide" peace, good luck. I am perfectly at peace knowing that I can defend myself. As for the weapons disarmarment...well as show of good faith, I'll melt down a few handguns for you.

Respectfully,
Mwto'ar Uganda
http://nift.firedrake.org/genre/graphics/f_Hammerhead.gif
-APTO-
-UTP-
-TFA-
-LFW-
Population: 723,000,000
Civil Rights: Some
Economy: Powerhouse
Political Freedoms: Rare
GDP per Capita: $25,000
GDP: $18,075,000,000,000
National Budget: $5,560,448,400,000
===NATIONAL ALERT LEVEL===
* Peacetime Duties
* Deployment
* State of War
That is a very good start. I call on all other nations to follow your example.
29-09-2003, 20:05
Seeing as my country is beginning to make decent progress selling weapons, and on top of all that, I'm a paranoid little son of a bitch myself, I won't be attending this conference. I will, however, watch it with interest. I doubt war can be stamped out with a few doses of a miracle drug and a few well-meaning words, but if it can... Well, that'll be the one and only time I'll be happy to see thousands of my countrymen out of work.

- Prime Minister Scott Haley

Do-gooder.

OOC: *Sticks out tongue* Yeah, well... Your momma! *The best insult he can come up with on this little sleep* :roll: :lol:

IC: So? Being the good guy is good for business. Nobody likes a villain.

Did not your Christ say, blessed are the peacemakers.
29-09-2003, 20:05
Seeing as my country is beginning to make decent progress selling weapons, and on top of all that, I'm a paranoid little son of a bitch myself, I won't be attending this conference. I will, however, watch it with interest. I doubt war can be stamped out with a few doses of a miracle drug and a few well-meaning words, but if it can... Well, that'll be the one and only time I'll be happy to see thousands of my countrymen out of work.

- Prime Minister Scott Haley

Do-gooder.

OOC: *Sticks out tongue* Yeah, well... Your momma! *The best insult he can come up with on this little sleep* :roll: :lol:

IC: So? Being the good guy is good for business. Nobody likes a villain.

Did not your Christ say, blessed are the peacemakers.
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 20:06
"That pretty much sums up the way things work around here." admitted Colonel Daley, the delegate Kotterdam decided to send after all. Narrowing his eyes, he leaned his elbows forward onto the table. "Nobody trusts their neighbor, but they trust that they can cause enough damage to the other nation before dying that they would make a decent deterrant. Crazy way to run a world, but it works. How the hell do you expect me to start trusting someone who'd like nothing more than to splatter my brains over the far wall?"
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 20:09
Did not your Christ say, blessed are the peacemakers.

He did at that. Unfortunately, that blessing hasn't done too well as far as stopping bullets goes. I've seen too many peacemakers die to jump wholeheartedly into this plan.
29-09-2003, 20:12
Did not your Christ say, blessed are the peacemakers.

He did at that. Unfortunately, that blessing hasn't done too well as far as stopping bullets goes. I've seen too many peacemakers die to jump wholeheartedly into this plan.
But Christ was a softy. He was unwilling to bring justice upon those who violated the sacred laws of nature.
29-09-2003, 20:13
"That pretty much sums up the way things work around here." admitted Colonel Daley, the delegate Kotterdam decided to send after all. Narrowing his eyes, he leaned his elbows forward onto the table. "Nobody trusts their neighbor, but they trust that they can cause enough damage to the other nation before dying that they would make a decent deterrant. Crazy way to run a world, but it works. How the hell do you expect me to start trusting someone who'd like nothing more than to splatter my brains over the far wall?"

That is why I propose all nations agree to international exercises aimed at raising the trust levels between them.
29-09-2003, 20:15
World peace is bad bad bad. Killing innocents is very good if done in the name of Islam. We do not accept this peace because most of the participants are not muslims.
Taliban says this, convert to Islam or you will see more suicide bomber attacks in your nations.
Of the council of clan
29-09-2003, 20:17
World peace is bad bad bad. Killing innocents is very good if done in the name of Islam. We do not accept this peace because most of the participants are not muslims.
Taliban says this, convert to Islam or you will see more suicide bomber attacks in your nations.

*blinks* ummmmmmmm ok.
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 20:19
World peace is bad bad bad. Killing innocents is very good if done in the name of Islam. We do not accept this peace because most of the participants are not muslims.
Taliban says this, convert to Islam or you will see more suicide bomber attacks in your nations.

religion is what stops the world from reuniting, people see other people as different, and these people are prejudice
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 20:19
"That pretty much sums up the way things work around here." admitted Colonel Daley, the delegate Kotterdam decided to send after all. Narrowing his eyes, he leaned his elbows forward onto the table. "Nobody trusts their neighbor, but they trust that they can cause enough damage to the other nation before dying that they would make a decent deterrant. Crazy way to run a world, but it works. How the hell do you expect me to start trusting someone who'd like nothing more than to splatter my brains over the far wall?"

That is why I propose all nations agree to international exercises aimed at raising the trust levels between them.

The Colonel snorted in disbelief, sitting back in his chair. "This is either a brilliant plan for world peace or the most intricate plot for world domination I have ever heard... And believe me, I've heard a few." he allowed. "Either way, I'm listening. What kind of exercises?"
29-09-2003, 20:20
World peace is bad bad bad. Killing innocents is very good if done in the name of Islam. We do not accept this peace because most of the participants are not muslims.
Taliban says this, convert to Islam or you will see more suicide bomber attacks in your nations.

Lord Antichrists exhales an evil laugh. Puny little muslims think they can stop world peace?
Since you said in your telegram that your nation would rather face devastation than world peace, I am very happy to oblige you.

Lord Antichrists exorts a few commands in unkown language. Immediately the sky opens up above Taliban_ and great fire and brimstone rains down on the nation of Taliban_ leaving it completely desolated.

Now then, who else is opposed to world peace?
Crookfur
29-09-2003, 20:20
OOC: Just to point out that all this mention of other worldly powers and command of the elements is a very very good way to get yourself ignored.

IC:

on hearing these claims of super natural powers the Crookfur foreign office concludes that RevivedRomanEmpire is nothing more than a bunch of lunatics on a gaint inflatable and not actually a nation at all.
Junk Monkeys
29-09-2003, 20:21
Dear friends of NS community.
Lord Antichrist is very much concerned that there is way too much suffering caused by way too many wars in the international community.
Therefore, he has decided to invite all nations to a grand meeting of world leaders to discuss an end to all wars.
In return, we shall give guests, a new device that will make your crops grow anywhere any time (except in the vacuum of outerspace).
We also offer your nations a great miracle drug that cures ebola, aids, cancer, anthrax and a variety of other diseases.
We have other things you might also find of use.


Do you have a cure for crabs?
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 20:21
"That pretty much sums up the way things work around here." admitted Colonel Daley, the delegate Kotterdam decided to send after all. Narrowing his eyes, he leaned his elbows forward onto the table. "Nobody trusts their neighbor, but they trust that they can cause enough damage to the other nation before dying that they would make a decent deterrant. Crazy way to run a world, but it works. How the hell do you expect me to start trusting someone who'd like nothing more than to splatter my brains over the far wall?"

That is why I propose all nations agree to international exercises aimed at raising the trust levels between them.

The Colonel snorted in disbelief, sitting back in his chair. "This is either a brilliant plan for world peace or the most intricate plot for world domination I have ever heard... And believe me, I've heard a few." he allowed. "Either way, I'm listening. What kind of exercises?"

i think PMI and PCI should have a few agents in your nations....
29-09-2003, 20:21
World peace is bad bad bad. Killing innocents is very good if done in the name of Islam. We do not accept this peace because most of the participants are not muslims.
Taliban says this, convert to Islam or you will see more suicide bomber attacks in your nations.

religion is what stops the world from reuniting, people see other people as different, and these people are prejudice

That is right. But I think he will support peace now.
29-09-2003, 20:22
"That pretty much sums up the way things work around here." admitted Colonel Daley, the delegate Kotterdam decided to send after all. Narrowing his eyes, he leaned his elbows forward onto the table. "Nobody trusts their neighbor, but they trust that they can cause enough damage to the other nation before dying that they would make a decent deterrant. Crazy way to run a world, but it works. How the hell do you expect me to start trusting someone who'd like nothing more than to splatter my brains over the far wall?"

That is why I propose all nations agree to international exercises aimed at raising the trust levels between them.

The Colonel snorted in disbelief, sitting back in his chair. "This is either a brilliant plan for world peace or the most intricate plot for world domination I have ever heard... And believe me, I've heard a few." he allowed. "Either way, I'm listening. What kind of exercises?"

First we get them to come here and hold meetings together. We make them play on the same sports teams. Cause freinds don't attack friends.
29-09-2003, 20:25
Curses, curses curses.
Our suicide bombers can't possibly effect enough revenge for what you have done to my country.
We are forced to accept what ever your peace proposal is. As long as you don't send any more fire and brimstone.
29-09-2003, 20:26
OOC: Just to point out that all this mention of other worldly powers and command of the elements is a very very good way to get yourself ignored.

IC:

on hearing these claims of super natural powers the Crookfur foreign office concludes that RevivedRomanEmpire is nothing more than a bunch of lunatics on a gaint inflatable and not actually a nation at all.

But we think you are a murdering tyrant.
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 20:26
"But friends also make the fiercest enemies." the Colonel replied. "Yes, friends are less likely to kill each other, but when they do, it is often more violent than anything the most brutal of enemies could have dreamed. By definition, you can't be betrayed by someone you don't trust."
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 20:26
the proposal is to disarm, and to have true world, peace, and eliminate world hatred.....

and Mr C, head of PMI, Has informed me of slaves in the nation of Taliban.....
Crookfur
29-09-2003, 20:27
I think someone needs to work on thier logging in and out of puppets...


Oh look i can play the editing game too (why am i being so annoying tonight?).


Anyway Taliban you can hardly talk and any eveidence of Crookfur forces engaging in any distasteful conduct you may have would be welcomed by our government (and who are you calling a tyrant? the King? well there isn't much point in that considering we are a constitutional monarchy/parilementary democracy).
29-09-2003, 20:29
Dear friends of NS community.
Lord Antichrist is very much concerned that there is way too much suffering caused by way too many wars in the international community.
Therefore, he has decided to invite all nations to a grand meeting of world leaders to discuss an end to all wars.
In return, we shall give guests, a new device that will make your crops grow anywhere any time (except in the vacuum of outerspace).
We also offer your nations a great miracle drug that cures ebola, aids, cancer, anthrax and a variety of other diseases.
We have other things you might also find of use.


Do you have a cure for crabs?
Your crabs is now cured.
29-09-2003, 20:30
Curses, curses curses.
Our suicide bombers can't possibly effect enough revenge for what you have done to my country.
We are forced to accept what ever your peace proposal is. As long as you don't send any more fire and brimstone.

See. Did I not predict he would soon support world peace?
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 20:31
Curses, curses curses.
Our suicide bombers can't possibly effect enough revenge for what you have done to my country.
We are forced to accept what ever your peace proposal is. As long as you don't send any more fire and brimstone.

See. Did I not predict he would soon support world peace?

you were right, and i think he forgot about the slaves..........
29-09-2003, 20:31
"But friends also make the fiercest enemies." the Colonel replied. "Yes, friends are less likely to kill each other, but when they do, it is often more violent than anything the most brutal of enemies could have dreamed. By definition, you can't be betrayed by someone you don't trust."

This is true unless some one forces peace on all the parties.
29-09-2003, 20:32
the proposal is to disarm, and to have true world, peace, and eliminate world hatred.....

and Mr C, head of PMI, Has informed me of slaves in the nation of Taliban.....

Yes that is correct.

OOC: who is PMI?
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 20:35
the proposal is to disarm, and to have true world, peace, and eliminate world hatred.....

and Mr C, head of PMI, Has informed me of slaves in the nation of Taliban.....

Yes that is correct.

OOC: who is PMI?

P etsburg
M ilitary
I nteligence
29-09-2003, 20:36
I say the age of slaver is over. All nations holding slaves should let them go.
29-09-2003, 20:37
While we would wholeheartedly support world peace through any means, it would not last nor would it be really possible.

There are always extremists, and there are always people who do not to settle their matter peacefully.
Kotterdam
29-09-2003, 20:38
"But friends also make the fiercest enemies." the Colonel replied. "Yes, friends are less likely to kill each other, but when they do, it is often more violent than anything the most brutal of enemies could have dreamed. By definition, you can't be betrayed by someone you don't trust."

This is true unless some one forces peace on all the parties.

"You begin to sound like you speak of world domination..."
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 20:42
ill make a thread for voting on world peace
Petsburg
29-09-2003, 20:42
ill make a thread for voting on world peace
29-09-2003, 20:42
"But friends also make the fiercest enemies." the Colonel replied. "Yes, friends are less likely to kill each other, but when they do, it is often more violent than anything the most brutal of enemies could have dreamed. By definition, you can't be betrayed by someone you don't trust."

This is true unless some one forces peace on all the parties.

"You begin to sound like you speak of world domination..."

Nay, I only wish to help my friend nations achieve everlasting peace, the secure kind of peace.
29-09-2003, 20:43
While we would wholeheartedly support world peace through any means, it would not last nor would it be really possible.

There are always extremists, and there are always people who do not to settle their matter peacefully.

The extremists must change their ways or be removed from the scene.
29-09-2003, 20:43
While we would wholeheartedly support world peace through any means, it would not last nor would it be really possible.

There are always extremists, and there are always people who do not to settle their matter peacefully.

The extremists must change their ways or be removed from the scene.
29-09-2003, 20:46
You are suggesting war or genocide of the extremists?

That will be counterproductive to world peace, would it not?
29-09-2003, 20:51
You are suggesting war or genocide of the extremists?

That will be counterproductive to world peace, would it not?

Eh... No. I am suggesting that they change their ways or we could help them by putting them in fine institutions of mental health.
War and genocide can only prolong suffering. That is what we trying to stop.
29-09-2003, 20:52
The problem I am pointing out, however, is that they will always be around for all time. They are as everlasting as poverty and hunger. Even if you and I were to eliminate them today, who says they wouldn't appear some time 100 years after our death?