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I, the Grand Duke Klonor, in an attempt to futher imrpove our own space fleet, am offering a reward of 1 trillion to the nation with the most complete space fleet. Requirements are:

Must be capable of quick deployment
Must be capable of launching powerful attacks
Must be capable of withstanding powerful attacks
Must be capable of launching small attacks (a good fleet doesn't just have a bunch of super death cannons)
Must be able to defend against numerous smaller craft
Must be capable of functioning long-term without immediete support
Must be capable of carrying personnel capable of performing scientific, infantry, and medical jobs
Must be capable of easy on-site repairs without access to main-stream repair facilities
Must be realistic (In my own opinion)

Whichever nation has a fleet which fits all the requirements shall receive the 1 trillion reward.

OOC: If I've left out any requirements of a good fleet, please tell me and I'll put them in.


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Duke Solomon Klonor
Founder: Galactic Alliance
Member: The New Jewish Alliance http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ksig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59081)

I can create one for you.

but not 1 trillion.. more like 10 trillion.

Okay, I must now laugh at you. I already have a massive space fleet. personally, I think it's one of the best (I have a huge ego). Haven't you seen my ship thread? It works off the pretty picture.

I'm going to award the nation that has the best fleet. As in their fleet, that they have already built and currently have deployed.

Any Fleet of ANY country?

Bingo!

But, like I said, it has to be realistic

Our Fleet is realistic. It will take a while to compile our data.

OOC: realizes that this is a clever ploy to determine the strength of other space faring nation's Space Fleets and if they are easy targets.

I can create one for you.

but not 1 trillion.. more like 10 trillion.

And besides, you can't afford to have a space fleet that macthes my requirements unless you have some other nation backing you. If you do, the it's not really your fleet.

Our Fleet is realistic. It will take a while to compile our data.

OOC: realizes that this is a clever ploy to determine the strength of other space faring nation's Space Fleets and if they are easy targets.

Conidering the fact that I've got spies throughout your entire fleet command, I'd say you're already an easy target :lol:

You can add the fact that the ships need to have an easily maintenanced ship, so if they are in a battle and are damaged, they can easily be repaired or regenerated.

Good idea

I can create one for you.

but not 1 trillion.. more like 10 trillion.

And besides, you can't afford to have a space fleet that macthes my requirements unless you have some other nation backing you. If you do, the it's not really your fleet.


I'm already in Space. Thanks to Whittier.

I didn't argue against your tech (I was in space within a week)

I argued against your being able to build, support, and crew a space fleet of any magnitude with your current population and resources.

used to have a good one, consisting of over 100 ships, including 5 capital ships. now I have 8 destroyers and 2 capital ships with no interest in expanding, costs too much.

used to have a good one, consisting of over 100 ships, including 5 capital ships. now I have 8 destroyers and 2 capital ships with no interest in expanding, costs too much.

The same arguement can be made to you greenhorn.

I suggest you look at the Titan nations.

Size doesn't matter. What matters is design of ships, and ships to fill different roles. You can have a complete fleet with 3 ships. Or have a big flop with many thousands of ships. I want quality, not quantity.

Size doesn't matter. What matters is design of ships, and ships to fill different roles. You can have a complete fleet with 3 ships. Or have a big flop with many thousands of ships. I want quality, not quantity.

Your certainly one to talk about that!

used to have a good one, consisting of over 100 ships, including 5 capital ships. now I have 8 destroyers and 2 capital ships with no interest in expanding, costs too much.

The same arguement can be made to you greenhorn.

I suggest you look at the Titan nations.

In character there are many systems supporting my fleet. And although I have many classes, I have very few actual ships. I have spent many days figuring out the numbers, and with my in character territory I can support my fleet, and more (but I don't expand to much since then it gets to hard to control)

Size doesn't matter. What matters is design of ships, and ships to fill different roles. You can have a complete fleet with 3 ships. Or have a big flop with many thousands of ships. I want quality, not quantity.

Your certainly one to talk about that!

Now you've lost me.

Nevermind, you wouldn't like it anyway.

Say it. I'll take whatever you've got and shoot it down. I have spent an embarisingly large amount of time on figuring this stuff out, and I'm pretty sure that I can handle whatever you shoot out.

Our Fleet is realistic. It will take a while to compile our data.

OOC: realizes that this is a clever ploy to determine the strength of other space faring nation's Space Fleets and if they are easy targets.

Conidering the fact that I've got spies throughout your entire fleet command, I'd say you're already an easy target :lol:

Doubtful.

Didn't you notice the little smiley dude? I wasn't serious

Say it. I'll take whatever you've got and shoot it down. I have spent an embarisingly large amount of time on figuring this stuff out, and I'm pretty sure that I can handle whatever you shoot out.

Actually, I already said it.

Well, more to the point, you said it. I just put a mirror up.

I simply don't think your nation has the funding for the type of force you describe. I also don't think you've done the research to know that yours is the best among alliances of older, more RP developed nations.

I don't mean any offense, but your nation simply can't support such a fleet.

Anyway, we've had this discussion before. Go ahead and try and shoot it down. Don't forget to aim carefully, or you might shoot other arguements of yours down.

I didn't say that I had the force described in the first post. If I gave the impressions that I thought mine was the best, I apologise. I just said that my fleet is good (remember my huge ego).

As for me being able to support my ships, my fleet just isn't that big (numerically). My main capital ships (the Orions) number only 11 total, and that is supported by 4 star systems, as well as numerous nations even older than you (actually, only one is older than you. But others are close). The Colossus (my really big ship) I RP'd as being developed over 20 years, with it being slowly built up over time and using technology whose existence I RP'd or had donated.

And do you happen to live in New Jersey? You remind me a lot of somebody I know.

I didn't say that I had the force described in the first post. If I gave the impressions that I thought mine was the best, I apologise. I just said that my fleet is good (remember my huge ego).

As for me being able to support my ships, my fleet just isn't that big (numerically). My main capital ships (the Orions) number only 11 total, and that is supported by 4 star systems, as well as numerous nations even older than you (actually, only one is older than you. But others are close). The Colossus (my really big ship) I RP'd as being developed over 20 years, with it being slowly built up over time and using technology whose existence I RP'd or had donated.

I can create one for you.

but not 1 trillion.. more like 10 trillion.

And besides, you can't afford to have a space fleet that macthes my requirements unless you have some other nation backing you. If you do, the it's not really your fleet.

Bold added by me.

EDIT: And no, Vegas.

I didn't say that I had the force described in the first post. If I gave the impressions that I thought mine was the best, I apologise. I just said that my fleet is good (remember my huge ego).


And if you notice, I have not put my own fleet in as greatest fleet.

I didn't say that I had the force described in the first post. If I gave the impressions that I thought mine was the best, I apologise. I just said that my fleet is good (remember my huge ego).

As for me being able to support my ships, my fleet just isn't that big (numerically). My main capital ships (the Orions) number only 11 total, and that is supported by 4 star systems, as well as numerous nations even older than you (actually, only one is older than you. But others are close). The Colossus (my really big ship) I RP'd as being developed over 20 years, with it being slowly built up over time and using technology whose existence I RP'd or had donated.

And if you notice, I have not put my own fleet in as greatest fleet.

I didn't say you did. I am just saying that through your own arguements, your fleet isn't really your fleet.

I actually was about to edit that. Darn you for beating me to it! When I said that, I meant if another nation is the main supporter or designer of your fleet. I didn't mean that if anbody else helps out it's not your fleet. In RL and in NS almost all nations receive support from other nations to help their military.

And I was talking about for this contest, not in general. I meant that you can't enter a fleet of yours if some other nation is the main support of it.

And is anybody going to enter their fleet into this contest? 1 trillion for the winner!

The Allied Space Fleet:

1 Space Shuttle with Mean face spraypainted on

So far The Sword and Shield is in first place. Unless somebody else enters a fleet they win by default.

I actually was about to edit that. Darn you for beating me to it! When I said that, I meant if another nation is the main supporter or designer of your fleet. I didn't mean that if anbody else helps out it's not your fleet. In RL and in NS almost all nations receive support from other nations to help their military.

That heavily depends on whether you are a lesser power (in which case you do) or a Power/Super Power. In which case you don't. Too much risk that you will let your tech slip into the wider world, as well as intelligence on your fleet. If you point out someone who does this who you might consider a Power, you might want to reconsider as they are not proving themselves militarily savy.

If I point out someone who does what? Receives support, or give support?

used to have a good one, consisting of over 100 ships, including 5 capital ships. now I have 8 destroyers and 2 capital ships with no interest in expanding, costs too much.

The same arguement can be made to you greenhorn.

I suggest you look at the Titan nations.

you know Wazzu, be quite and let people play the game, all I see you do is go around and tell people their goddmoding. not everyone is going to take 19 years to build one ship, get over it.

Actually, I did take 20 years to build one ship.

Someone who buys their ships from someone else, especially a mass market deal. It's certainly not as bad if they buy from a very trusted ally, but that means the information is in the hands of two governments. More potential for spies and leaks. If it is a mass market deal your plans are essentially sitting there. No intelligence work needed.

Wait, where did I mention people who buy their fleet? While they could be included in what I said, I was mainly referring to new or recovering nations who are given all the money, technology, and resources they need to build their fleet.

And Wazzu, before you say that I just described myself I would like to say that I have developed all except one of my own designs, and have RP'd the invention of all my technology.

Also, the supplies that I recieve from other nations is mainly in the form of fuel for my ships, with myself mining my own metals and the funds for the payment of crew and workers coming from the sale of unused ships.

I think that I win. Klonor, you've seen my fleet.

The following is the current Active Space fleet of the Capsule Corporation. These are ships that are not being sold, and we do not count our exporting stock in these numbers.

Capital Foldships:
1 Kryptonite Cruiser
2 Kryptonite-Class (Variated) Cruisers
12 Kolob-Class Carriers
4 Patriarch-Class Super-Shuttles

Capital Hyperships:
52 Omni-Class Frigates
144 Tachyon-Class Corvettes
36 Cargo Shuttles

Starfighters:
432 CCF-16 StarFalcons
576 CCF-7 Senines
360 CCF-11 TrickFighters

Mecha:
437 Legolas-Class SkaterMecha
288 Samson-Class SkaterMecha

Active Military Personnel:
20,000 StarShip Crew
2,000 Mecha/Starfighter Pilots
832,000 Infantry
250 Special Forces

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69082)
Well, that's my total military force. It meets all the requirements. Care to challenge my claim?

OOC: Oh, and Klonor, just ignore Wazzu, he's a [explicitive] :)

Aren't you 3 the same person!????!?

Aren't you 3 the same person!????!?CC Speaking: Wha?

Uh Klonor, Capsule Corp and Raysia

Uh Klonor, Capsule Corp and RaysiaNonono... I only play Raysia and Capsule Corp... I just made Klonor's sig pic :)

You thought I was CC? Are you ****ing me?

I think that I win. Klonor, you've seen my fleet.

You have to post it. This is a contest.

Oh, and if anybody here feels that their fleet is lacking and wishes to shore up their weak points feel free to visit my ship thread. Numerous capital ships and fighters for (almost) every possible combat role. Quality ships at quality prices.


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Duke Solomon Klonor
Founder: Galactic Alliance
Member: The New Jewish Alliance http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ksig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59081)

Somebody else enter their fleet! Please! I want this to be a big thing, with more than just to entrants.

Hmm... do you mean the numbers of the fleet or the actual designs?

perhaps you would be interested in our designs?

check our showroom for the pics:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57182

Please post your ships, what they're used for, and how they're deployed. And no, I don't mean your fleet locations (that would be like holding up a sign "ATTTACK HERE"), I mean something like:

My XXXXXXXXXXXX class Destroyers are guarded by YYYYYYYYYYYY class anti-fighter ships and sensor is kept up by ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ class patrol ships.

Well, we recently cut back on military spending, so our fleet numbers have been halved. Here is my current active ship list:


Space Fleets:
6 "Diagon" Heavy Battleships - Border defence. (launching powerful attacks) (functioning long-term)
6 "Frigot" Battleships - Border defence. (launching powerful attacks) (functioning long-term)
8 "Humlate" Battlecruisers - Border defence. (launching powerful attacks) (functioning long-term)
16 "Dioplete" Cruisers - Space patrols. (withstanding powerful attacks)
3 "Blaspha" Cruisers - Space patrols. (withstanding powerful attacks)
42 "Frima" Corvettes - Pirate regulation. (quick deployment)
21 "Glabu" Corvettes - Pirate regulation. (quick deployment)
281 "Oopu" Atmospheric/Space Fighters - Fast deploy forces, from battleships. (quick deployment) (launching small attacks)
312 "Figra" Atmospheric/Space Fighters - As above. (quick deployment) (launching small attacks)
32 Heavy Cryo-Transport Ships - Transport of populations. (carrying personnel)
20 Light Cryo-Transport Ships - As above. (carrying personnel)
212 Cargo Ships (We do massive internal/external trade of natural resources) (on-site repairs [if retro-fitted in times of war])
86 Mobile Plasma Turrets - Securing enemy territory quickly. (defend against numerous smaller craft)
17 Subradio/Jumpnet Jammer Ships - Preventing FTL travel/enemy communication within .5AU.
11 Experimental Spacefold Ships - Experimental FTL ships that do not rely on Jumpnodes.
1 Experimental Timeship (This is OOC knowledge, heh, shhhh :P) - Experimental timeship, allowing limited (10 minutes) jump into the past.

Mechanical Infantry:
341 Non-Humanoid Mobile Plasma Gunmechs - Ground battles.
211 Non-Humanoid Mobile Ion Gunmechs - As above.
113 Humanoid Mobile Infantry - As above.

Active Military Personnel:
Total: 0.27% = 2,937,600
Logistics/Supplies/Other: 47% = 1,380,672
Total Fleet Crew: 50,500
Total Fighter Pilots: 7,000
Total Human Infantry: 900,000
Total Special Forces: 90,000
Total Reserves: 509,428

Also, could you say how your fleet matches the specifications listed in the first post? You know, which ships perform the duties that I mentioned.

Post updated.

I think that I win. Klonor, you've seen my fleet.

You have to post it. This is a contest.

Dear god... I'll find the link. That would just destroy the bandlength.

Free bump?

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67904&highlight=

As I said, I win.

No, you don't. Your fleet has limited range, and my fleet looks better. :D

What do you mean, 'limited range'?

You do not have enough fleet classes to provide full cover for all eventualities of a conflict.

The STL drives are also /incredcibly/ slow.

Back that up with evidence.

Fighter/Bomber

Cruiser

Capital Ships

Fighter

Transport

Frigate


What on Earth else do I need? They have accomplished with acclaim every task I've set for them.

Heavy Battleships
Battleships
Battlecruisers
Cruisers
Corvettes
Atmospheric/Space Fighters
Heavy Cryo-Transport Ships
Light Cryo-Transport Ships
Cargo Ships
Mobile Plasma Turrets
Subradio/Jumpnet Jammer Ships
Experimental Ships


Those are all my ship classes. It is more varied, and can acomplish every single task possible.

But you don't understand. It's not about how many classes it has, but how many tasks it can accomplish. Have you actually read my fleet thread?

Yes, and it is still my belief that they are limited, and therefore cannot fulfil all of Klonors requirements adequately.

All right, fine. So it can't do anything besides military.

Who cares? I can rent ships to do research.

If your ships can't cover everything that's needed they aint in the contests. I suggest you start development on some science ships.

You thought I was CC? Are you ****ing me?

You still haven't answered me

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