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At Muir Avionics, the company is worked overtime, with projects etc.

We need a cargo plane, which is currently under contract negotiations.

We have found that we want a Medium priced, Multi-Role Fighter.

We cannot make it on our own, so need help from other people. The partners would get prod rights, sales rights and plans. Only 3 partner spaces are open.

I need someone that is good at aerodynamical stuff.
A weapons expert.
An electronics expert (*coughcrookfurcough*)

The plane will replace the old F-16 MRF in this role.

Right people, start entering.

The BDIA (Best Damn Inventers Anywhere) will help, I have a plane in mind to base it on.

well we could do aerodynamics. any ideas what sor of design you were looking for our EA-160 is damn good as an F-16 replacement but something larger might be better.

How about some sort of modified, upgraded Su-37

http://www.sci.fi/~fta/su-27-02l.jpg

Looking good.

It would be 2 seated, land based, carry quite a few weapons pilons and we maneuverbale (for ground attack)

I was thinking the Su series, yeh.
Or the J39

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jas6.jpg

Or even the Eurofighter

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/eurofighter-takeoffx.jpg

United Elias, you are in.

DT, you havent said what you want to do.....

So what do you think?

Su-37
EF-2000
J39

For something to base it on.

too many people make the Eurofighter and the design is a little outdated as its been in development too long, the Gripen is too similar to our EA-160 and is single engine.

The Su series is the way to go, thrust vectoring as well. :D

we'll make the engines as well, we're darn good at those.

*AHEM*

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70101)

Look at the RF-11:


Raysian Aero RF-11 "Archangel"
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/RF-11.jpg

Specifications :
Country of Origin: Raysia
Primary Designer: Raysian Aero
Manufacturing countries: Raysia, Western Asia
Role: Multi-role fighter
Wing Span: 35.84 ft (11.20 m)
Length: 49.63 ft (15.51 m)
Height: 15.39 ft (4.81 m)
Weight: 45,018 lb empty / 72,122 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Lyulka AL-37FU vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 30,855 lb thrust each (Same as Su-37), Two Raysian Aero "Blaster" pods that store and expell compressed air for 2g boosts of accelleration for quick manuevering or takeoff. (Takes about 15 seconds to repressurize)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.85
Cruising speed: Mach 1.15
Range: 2,400 km / 1,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 69,000 ft
g limits: +13, -9 (So be careful!) Automatic Safeties prevent the plane from pulling unsafe g-forces and harming the pilot.
Airframe can stand up to 15gs
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, One Raysia Arms FC-216 Flak Cannon mounted on a turret above the fuselage, plus up to 20,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on fourteen external points.

Unique Features: The turret mounted Flak Cannon with 15 ammo, Quad-rudders/tails, 3D thrust vectoring, "Blaster" pods, all are Carrier capable, and can take perform STO with fully pressurized "Blaster" jets. Radar signature easily confused for a Mig-29, and has SuperManeuverability comparable to the Su-37 or F-22. Has built in reconnaissance equipment such as a digital Camera. Missiles can fire any direction.

Computers: Advanced Autopilot to automatically land the plane on a carrier or runway in case the pilot gets knocked out or any other emergency like that, may be engaged by C&C or a wingman. The HUD is used in tandem with the "VisorScreens," which is a display projected onto the Visor of the Pilot's helmet, and uses a sort of compass in tandem with the computer that can allow him to see highlighted targets in any direction, even what used to be a blind spot beneath him or behind him. The 'VisorScreen' does not display the Altitude, pitch, and Speed like the HUD, as most pilots found this very confusing, but the 'VisorScreen' does control the Flak Cannon's direction.

Original Investors get a 50% discount (that means Danimalia, Western Asia, The South Islands, Diminix, and Omz222). Price is $42,000,000 USD

Now Available:
RF-11C Variant
Changes:
Length: 53.21 ft (16.22 m)
Weight: 49,922 lb empty / 56,000 lb normal / 75,225 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Raysian-Electric RE-1799 vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 35,256 lb thrust each, Two Raysian Aero "Blaster" pods that store and expell compressed air for 2g boosts of accelleration for quick manuevering or takeoff. (Takes about 15 seconds to repressurize)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.97
Cruising speed: Mach 1.15
Range: 2,750 km / 1,700 miles
Unique Features: The turret mounted Flak Cannon with 35 ammo

Even the good old J37 or J35

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/viggen-pict1.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-09.jpg

I am not worried about how many people make it, however, but it may affect sales if I sell it.

The Su is a damn nice base though.

I am rooting for more designs.

Not to mention UCAVs...

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rf12.gif
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rf45.jpg

We are planning on making our own, thankyou.

I want to make something to call my own.

And your stuff is too future tech.

DT sent me a graphic of a russian style stealth F-22 design a while back but i havent got the link though.

Sounds good.

I dont particularly want stealth though, waste of money.

i could help, after all i do need soemthing cheap to supplement the Dragon Pearls...

I'll do soem digging, perhaps the Chinese/pakistan JF-17? (is that the same as the one the chinese bought from the israelis?) or soemthing along those lines?

Crookfur this is the design you speak of:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71886

Ok

First we will decide what to base it on, then discuss stuff more, then get designing, brainstorming etc.

Pic please, and you can do the electronics.

Weapons and couuntermeasures left.

We are planning on making our own, thankyou.

I want to make something to call my own.

And your stuff is too future tech.Ugg... first of all, this is all MODERN TECHNOLOGY... it is no later than 2010... :)

Second, oh ok, i get it... how about this:

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/acpix.html

That site has a ton of aircraft concepts, most of them were never used, kinda cool looking... see if any concepts there interest you.

What about the Mig 1.44

http://aviaforce.free.fr/avions/images/prototypes/mig1.44/mig_3.jpg

Thanks man

Add to favourites.....

United Elias: Cheers for that. it clear things up for me, i was kind of confused over the whole JF-17/F-10 thingy but they are different aircraft the JF-17 looks like a cross between a mirage F1 and an F16. i'll do soem digging on it and maybe scan some mag pics.

I fancy this:

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/mig1-44.jpg

Or this.....

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/ngaf2.jpg

Discard the numbers

You guys like?

Crookfur you mean this one

this one:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/fc-1_1.jpg

im well briefed thanks to JDW.

Or even this:

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/atf3.jpg

Man this is fun.

Anyway, brb.

LOL dude, this is exactly what I did :) I love making those concept planes realized :)

I like that last one.

The one on this page, or the first?

The one on this page, or the first?http://www.aircraftdesign.com/atf3.jpg

That one... hmm... I wonder if that is enough information to make a 3d model...

That would be VERY good.

Muir Avionics is currently making a 1/4 scale model, to test if we should use this, the Su-37, JH-17, or what.

What systems are yet to be handled? I'll contribute something.

Weapons systems, I think.

Hehehehe nooo problem. What roles did you want this to play again? Weapons wise.

Raysian Weapons available:
QAAM-Quick-maneuver Air-to-Air Missile/Reloading Launcher
Airborne Flak Cannon
30mm Vulcan
.50 Cal Cannon
Depleted Uranium Cannon

So i'll build the airframe and do the engines?

How about Mig 1.44 cool canard design?

So i'll build the airframe and do the engines?

How about Mig 1.44 cool canard design?Aww come on, use this never-before-used aircraft design, he wants to be original :)

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/atf3.jpg

((Just cuz I like it))

the S-37 Berkut is a good choice:
http://www.spacedaily.com/images/plane-russia-s37-berkut-bg.jpg
http://www.angkasa-online.com/10/10/notam/not3.jpg

it is quite possibly the best 5th gen fighter in the world, can beat a F-22 in a dogfight, can carry a large payload, semi stealth etc etc

I dont like the MiG 1.44 design, sorry.

I fancy either this new one, or the Su-37 lookalikey.

Choose your poison.

Well, the cannon is taken care of....

GAU-18 27mm gatling gun

http://www.redshift.com/~gordis/JHGsite/Resources/image47.gif
http://www.warships1.com/Weapons/WNNeth_30mm_Goalkeeper_GAU8_pic.jpg

Your weapons things are welcomed though.

And you also have to do Countermeasures, though I already have done a radar scrambler to be used.

Raysia, your in.

So, votes, Su-37 or the new one.

you mean the S-37?

Su-37 Flanker not
S-37 berkut.

Whatever.....

i was on about the 'new one'

OOC:
I was thinking of the Early S-37, but its website is down :(

Okay

Votes please

Su-37, not the Berkut, the one with bckward wings.

Or the new design.

Sorry about the early S-37, but it cant be helped.

So, down to those two.

Be original, use the new design.

And btw, that big gatling off the A-10 that you want to use on this plane... I would want it too, but it is really freaking heavy... most aircraft designs are not meant to support forward weight... that's why it was only on the A-10.

yeah, go for a Gsh-30 30mm gun

http://www.aviation.ru/gun/GSh-30-2.jpg

yeah, go for a Gsh-30 30mm gun

http://www.aviation.ru/gun/GSh-30-2.jpghmmm... yes... good choice... I make a variant of it. I use it on all my planes really.

We use a plastic composite, with Diamond, Titanium and other metal pigments in it. Very light, durable and heat resistant, it neutrealises that problem.

We use a plastic composite, with Diamond, Titanium and other metal pigments in it. Very light, durable and heat resistant, it neutrealises that problem.we would suggest a mix of cast LiquidMetal and polymers

Are you looking to make this a stealth plane?

No

Non stealth, waste of money.

I think the new design has been chosen.

New designatation is quite appropriate, after we developed the MA-15....

New designation - MA-16

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/atf3.jpg

Keep brainstorming.

Should add variable pitch canards.

Also we will be using the following composites for all our new designs:
carbon fire composites, glass-reinforced plastic, aluminium lithium, titanium and aluminium casting.

Stealth technology: low frontal radar cross-section (which that design has), passive sensors, RAM absorbent coating and super cruise ability (can fly supersonic without afterburners)

What the hell?

Anyway, concept pic:

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/atfpnt.jpg

Should add variable pitch canards.Nah, thrust vectoring should be fine. Judging by the pic, this plane uses tailless agility... the elevators have been eliminated in favor of thrust vectroring engines similar to the Su-37, and the tail rudders are really only there for stability.

What the hell?

Anyway, concept pic:

http://www.aircraftdesign.com/atfpnt.jpgoh, whaddya know, there is a pic ^_^

I think thats the idea anyway.

Official cannon pic:

http://deploymentlink.osd.mil/du_library/images/du_fig05.jpg

Can I have some more concept pics please?

ie Guns, missiles, electronics, cockpit designs etc.

OOC:
Or we can base it on Iran's Shafagh (sp), a low-observability fighter based on the MiG I-2000.

Can I have some more pics?

I fancy my new ones, but I am open to negotiation.

I want ot be new, but I know how you detest western technology.

Powerplant: 2x EPE-136M High bypass turbofan producing 14,690lb of thrust dry and 21,250lb when afterburning. Basically whats on the EA-160 but two instead of one.

http://www.pratt-whitney.com/3a/images/F119.jpeg

Can I please point out, for those who don't know... the A-10's cannon, the one FC wants to use on this plane... will not only throw the plane off balance, but it will also bring on a huge radar signature.... it'll look like a flock of birds with a giant gun :)

Powerplant: 2x EPE-136M High bypass turbofan producing 14,690lb of thrust dry and 21,250lb when afterburning. Basically whats on the EA-160 but two instead of one.

http://www.pratt-whitney.com/3a/images/F119.jpegAre you kidding? that's flippin weak man, and we need FULL thrust vectoring!

ok then we cango for a pair of EPE-136M2 High bypass turbofan producing 18,230lb of thrust each and 33,000lb when afterburning. uprated version of the EPE-136M on the EA-160. we might still end up needing a bit more power than that so we'lls see how it goes.

If you can make them work with thrust vectoring, smaller, and upgraded a bit, Ill have me.

Otherwise, F-1001 Hyperjets.

http://www2.acc.af.mil/accnews/may02/JetTestR.jpg

We can give you engines, namely:
The AL-31TU TVC (thrust vector control) turbofan engines. This engine was developed by the BDIA Design Bureau and is a derivative of the AL-31F twin-shaft turbofan engine on the Su-27. The modular design includes a four-stage, low-pressure (LP) compressor, nine-stage, high-pressure (HP) compressor, annular combustion chamber and single-stage LP and HP turbines, afterburner and mixer. Each engine provides 83.36kN thrust and 142kN with the afterburner and is steerable from 15 to +15 degrees along the vertical plane.


The thrust vector control is fully integrated into the digital flight control system. The TVC nozzle can be deflected both synchronously and differentially, depending on manoeuvre. The nozzle is connected to the annular swivel and can be moved in the pitch plane by two pairs of hydraulic jacks. The thrust vector control allows manoeuvres at speeds nearing zero without angle-of-attack limitations. The vectoring controls can be operated manually by the pilot or automatically by the flight control system.

Come on people, use two Lyulka AL-37FU vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 30,855 lb thrust each... same thing the Su-37 uses..

http://wmilitary.neurok.ru/su37-4.jpg

They are far better than the engines on the F-22.

ok can we make a new engine based on that, I like making the engines.

Lyulka AL-37FU it is then.

F-1001 Hyperjets produce 25,500 lbs of thrust each, and are smaller than the AL-37FU.

What do you think, smaller and light, or more thrust?

My engines are Lyulka copies...

3D TV=good

OK, and just to get it out of the way, I say we give this plane the following armament:

Gsh-30 Cannon, forward
16 External hardpoints (4 per wing, 8 under the fuselage)
Should we have a 20mm Cannon rear-facing?

My engines are Lyulka copies...

3D TV=goodseconded

Heres the lyulka engine (which I produce BTW)
http://www.aviationnow.com/media/images/gallery/a298120.jpg

i could help, after all i do need soemthing cheap to supplement the Dragon Pearls...

I'll do soem digging, perhaps the Chinese/pakistan JF-17? (is that the same as the one the chinese bought from the israelis?) or soemthing along those lines?

its called the J10 and the Chinese make it wit help from Israel. Basically a Lavi.

How much thrust DT?

United Elias, you make them.

Which engines people?

I fancy either DT's or AL-37FU

How much thrust DT?

United Elias, you make them.

Which engines people?

I fancy either DT's or AL-37FU
30,855 lb thrust

OK, and just to get it out of the way, I say we give this plane the following armament:

Gsh-30 Cannon, forward
16 External hardpoints (4 per wing, 8 under the fuselage)
Should we have a 20mm Cannon rear-facing?

14 External Hardpoints
Gsh-30 Cannons under nose
No cannon facing backwards.

I dont want the wings with too many cavaties in it (stress levels) and it to be weighed down.

Gsh-30 cannon seems to be good.

No cannon facing backwards, impractical, and pointless.

DT's engines (AL-31TU TVC)

All happy?

CROOKFUR!!!!

ELECTRONICS

Hey, whoa, guys, we're not done with the engines. This is goping to be a ground attack fighter, right? That means it will have lots of weapons on it, like heavy bombs... we'll need a POWERFUL ENGINE.

We need to make a variant of the Lyulka with like 40-45,000 lbs of thrust.

hmmmm

Its a MRF, so not overkill on the engines.

I say 35-40,000 pounds of thrust.

Still, get working on the electronics.

CROOKFUR

BUMP

Raysia is willing to *sell the following technology to you guys:

Typical Raysian Computers: Advanced Autopilot to automatically land the plane on a carrier or runway in case the pilot gets knocked out or any other emergency like that, may be engaged by C&C or a wingman. The HUD is used in tandem with the "VisorScreens," which is a display projected onto the Visor of the Pilot's helmet, and uses a sort of compass in tandem with the computer that can allow him to see highlighted targets in any direction, even what used to be a blind spot beneath him or behind him. The 'VisorScreen' does not display the Altitude, pitch, and Speed like the HUD, as most pilots found this very confusing, but the 'VisorScreen' does control the Flak Cannon's direction.

Blaster Engines: Raysian Aero "Blaster" pods that store and expell compressed air for 2g boosts of accelleration for quick manuevering or takeoff. Take 15 seconds to repressurize. They allow a plane to perform an STO without a catapult or lift jets.

* By sell, I mean, a cut of the profits.

Blaster, yes

FLAK CANNON, NO!!!!!

No flak cannon, sorry.

woh! Steady on, no fighter aircraft needs 40-45,000lb of thrust, this BTW would be when afterburning so lets work out what it needs to produce dry, an AL-35F produes around 20,000lb of thrust dry and thats enough to supercruise. The problem with russian engines is that they are crude as hell and suck in gas like crazy becuse they cant run at the same temperatures as western equivalents.

We will produce an engine that produces 23,000lb of thrust dry and 36,000lb when aferburning.
the bypass ration: 5, the compression ratio: about 35, and the burning temeprature around 1300+ degrees celsius. This is much more efficient than Eastern designs and will imrpove the combat radius about 10-15%

This is completely satisfactory for an aircraft that isnt very heavy even if itdoes have Thrust Vectoring (2 dimensional or BTW?)

I wasn't suggesting the flak cannon, that just happened to be in the description of the computer, sorry.

And as for needing 80-90,000 lbs of thrust... This is a bomber, it's gonna be heavy AND fast...

But if it's just gonna be a fighter, for reference, the Su-37 has almost 62,000 lbs of thrust...


The engines will be similar to an Su-37, with 3d thrust vectoring, that means X, y, AND Z axis.

Multirole Land based Fighter-does not mean bomber and in any case the Su-24 has two AL-21F-3A Turbofans each producing only 24,690lb of thrust each.

A B-1B has four F101-GE-102 Turbofans each prodcuing when afterburning 30,780lb. An engine that creates the amount of thrust you want would be huge, inefficient, heavy and uneccessary. The wings would have to be enourmous to carry the amounts of fuel if you wanted to get it with a decent combat radius.

Edit: Su-37 has two Lyulka AL-37FU vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 30,855 lb thrust each

A few neat features of all Elias Precision Engineering aircraft engines

-Integrally bladed rotors: In most stages, disks and blades are made from a single piece of metal for better performance and less air leakage.

-Long chord, shroudless fan blades: Wider, stronger fan blades eliminate the need for the shroud, a ring of metal around most jet engine fans.

-Both the wider blades and shroudless design contribute to engine efficiency.

-Low-aspect, high-stage-load compressor blades: Once again, wider blades offer greater strength and efficiency.

-Alloy high-strength burn-resistant titanium compressor with innovative titanium alloy increases durability, allowing the engine to run hotter and faster for greater thrust and efficiency.

-Alloy C in augmentor and nozzle: The same heat-resistant titanium alloy protects aft components, permitting greater thrust and durability.

-Floatwall combustor: Thermally isolated panels of oxidation-resistant high cobalt material make the combustion chamber more durable, which helps reduce scheduled maintenance.

-No visible smoke: Reduces the possibility of an enemy visually detecting the plane

-Improved Supportability: All components, harnesses, and plumbing are located on the bottom of the engine for easy access, all line replaceable units can be removed with just one of the six standard tools required for engine maintenance.

Geez the forum has been busy tonight
Anyway UE: as ever spot on thanks (finally found some decent info on the pakistan AF webby...).


Anyway as to the electronics what are we still needing?

F/A-110 Starfire
http://www.cameronssketchbook.com/images/games/screens/robotech/robotech1.jpg

Stats of the Starfire:

Manufacture & Orgin: Daggothian Aero Techs (D.A.T), Modified designs of the F/A-108 Warhammer Multi-role Fighter
Role: Multi-role fighter
Wigs span: 37 ft
Weight: 44,043 empty / 77,112 Ib max.
Height: 13 ft
Length: 50 ft

Powerplant: Duel D.A.T Starpower after burning *plasma plants (34,104 Ib thrust each)

Speeds: Mach 2.7 (max) Mach 1.1 (cruise)

Ranges: 2,500 miles

Service Ceiling: 170,000 ft

Arnaments: Small bombs, AA missiles, Vulcan cannon under nose, 8 pods


Specials: Very maneuverable, Advanced weapons systems for pin-point accuracy (missiles and bombs are VERY accurate). Computers aid this task. Oxygen systems keep you breathing for up to 48 hours with recycled air. *Special Black In Suit helps you become G-force resistant. A helmet aids many things concerning weapons systems, etc, even having word-triggered controls too...

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Daggoth, that is clearly a future tech vehicle and u have no reason to boast it on a realistic modern tech thread :)

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Daggoth, that is clearly a future tech vehicle and u have no reason to boast it on a realistic modern tech thread :)

opps :oops: . Tho, i do got some present tech used in my military, This is 2020-30ish tech. Don't get me wrong...


We have found that we want a Medium priced, Multi-Role Fighter.


I'm not boasting, i'm offering our official Daggothian-made plane.

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2 of what? there are numerous aircraft mentioned in thsi thread.

F/A-110 Starfire
http://www.cameronssketchbook.com/images/games/screens/robotech/robotech1.jpg

Stats of the Starfire:

Manufacture & Orgin: Daggothian Aero Techs (D.A.T), Modified designs of the F/A-108 Warhammer Multi-role Fighter
Role: Multi-role fighter
Wigs span: 37 ft
Weight: 44,043 empty / 77,112 Ib max.
Height: 13 ft
Length: 50 ft

Powerplant: Duel D.A.T Starpower after burning *plasma plants (50,000 Ib thrust each)

Speeds: Mach 3 (max) Mach 1.1 (cruise)

Ranges: 2,500 miles

Service Ceiling: 170,000 ft

Arnaments: Small bombs, AA missiles, Vulcan cannon under nose, 8 pods


Specials: Very maneuverable, Advanced weapons systems for pin-point accuracy (missiles and bombs are VERY accurate). Computers aid this task. Oxygen systems keep you breathing for up to 48 hours with recycled air. *Special Black In Suit helps you become G-force resistant. A helmet aids many things concerning weapons systems, etc, even having word-triggered controls too...

Nice plane.

It is too future techy though, and this is a modern tech page, which has already been pointed out to you.

I am still not sure on engines.

I am being swayed to creating some new engines, custom built for this plane.

Anyone think this is a good idea?

Anyway, keep getiing me engines. There is such a thing as overpowered, and the bigger the engines, the bigger the weight, and plane. Keep this is mind.

And Crookfur, ALL the electronics need doing, including HUD, Autopilot, Fly by Wire controls etc.

Yes, this will be fly by wire plane.

Well i assumed it would, now would you like to consider goign upto fly by light?

Anyway since you don't want this being ridculously expensive i'll submit a cut down version of the JTB(joint tactical bomber) cockpit (crew? 1 or 2?)
basically a set of MFDs, repostionable flight stick, wide angle HUD and a middle of the range HMS system (ie without the sythetic views). total data integration will be a standard feature.

Weapons managemnt system will offer hardwired support for either FC weapons (in yours) or US weapons (in export mainly because people knows what they are) and offer a degree of extendability (for weapons development, russian weapons and/or widening the overall role).

For navigation system an open standard GPS receiver (because there are a number of different GP systems in operation on NS) with an advanced INS. Terrain following radar can be added to give low level all weather autopilot also compatability with ground station navigation systems.

Details on coms sensors and defensive system to follow (remind me of the intended role).

OOC: Hhmm maybe i should consider a number of packages for people projects dealing with the boring stuff...

Sure

Crew of 2, parralel or standard, you choose.

Future FC, US and Russian weapons, as DT wont be happy if we dont.

Only current and future, no AIM-7's or the like, just up to date.

And all your electronic shit.

And I dont know about Fly by Light, explain.

BUMP

I fancy a cockpit like this:

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su37/images/su-37_7.jpg

Or even this:

http://www.f22fighter.com/cockpit001.gif

BUMP

We can get you cockpits...
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/iai3.jpg

Not digitised enough

I want less guages, more screens and HUD's

F/A-110 Starfire
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Stats of the Starfire:

Manufacture & Orgin: Daggothian Aero Techs (D.A.T), Modified designs of the F/A-108 Warhammer Multi-role Fighter
Role: Multi-role fighter
Wigs span: 37 ft
Weight: 44,043 empty / 77,112 Ib max.
Height: 13 ft
Length: 50 ft

Powerplant: Duel D.A.T Starpower after burning *plasma plants (50,000 Ib thrust each)

Speeds: Mach 3 (max) Mach 1.1 (cruise)

Ranges: 2,500 miles

Service Ceiling: 170,000 ft

Arnaments: Small bombs, AA missiles, Vulcan cannon under nose, 8 pods


Specials: Very maneuverable, Advanced weapons systems for pin-point accuracy (missiles and bombs are VERY accurate). Computers aid this task. Oxygen systems keep you breathing for up to 48 hours with recycled air. *Special Black In Suit helps you become G-force resistant. A helmet aids many things concerning weapons systems, etc, even having word-triggered controls too...

Nice plane.

is too future techy though, and this is a modern tech page, which has already been pointed out to you.

I am still not sure on engines.

I am being swayed to creating some new engines, custom built for this plane.

Anyone think this is a good idea?

Anyway, keep getiing me engines. There is such a thing as overpowered, and the bigger the engines, the bigger the weight, and plane. Keep this is mind.

And Crookfur, ALL the electronics need doing, including HUD, Autopilot, Fly by Wire controls etc.

Yes, this will be fly by wire plane.

Thank you for your comments, though the ones in bold i need to discuss (i'm not trying to hijack this thread, i just want some info)

As said before, this is 2020-2030ish tech (as my whole nation basically is.)
When i was 1 day old, i was sold a "plasma-ran" powerplant. "Plasma" is known to be a safe and powerful energy source, or so i was told.

The D.A.T has put lots of money into researching this plasma and our reseachers have created a jet engine out of the plasma. With further refurbishing, "starpower" engines where shined up for military useage and with altered designs of the F/A-108 Warhammer Multi-role Fighter (i'll get the stats for it if u want), the F/A-110 Starfire was created.



OOC: Other than that, how are you unsure of the engines? Please tell me, I welcome any complaints to the F/A-110 Starfire and will alter it until it can be an effective rping plane.

Is 50,000ibs of thrust too much power?

We have other cockpits:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/computing/9902/flightsims.gallery/falcon.cockpit.jpg

yeh

Overkill

yeh

Overkill

e.e;; My knowledge on plane info is fuzzy, so i shall tune it down approprietly (sp?).

Anything else on it?

I still like my two.

FC- this ditigized enough?
http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/saab/gripen/gall97/gripen-cockpit.jpg

Tune it down a little, and it should make it effective RPing.

Other than that, its pretty good,

I amnt sure on AA missiles though.

BUMP

I'm thinking about 5 MFDs

A quick mockup can be found here, its not that good but it does the job to illustrate the wide angle HUD and 5 MFDs
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/FC/cfcockpit.jpg



Fly by light= fly by wired but uses fibre optic cables, slightly faster response times and a bit more reliable.

Well the weapons systems will likely be fairly open expandable with modules aavailble for the customer's chosen weapons.

Nice cockpit, just what we want.

Are the engines sorted yet?

And the weapons are fine, and yes, we will go with Fly by Light

ENGINES SORTED?

we've got the engines sorted see page 4.

Thanks UE

I think we have got the cockpit sorted.

Are we having folding or non-folding wings?

Guys?

So, what about the slide wings thing?

Yes or no?

A) Stop spamming
B) Whataboutdaplane?

I have decided, since no one else has, that we shall not have swing wings, instead a pair of reasonably swept back ones.

Crookfurs cockipt will be used, and Raysia is supplying the pilons.. A Gsh-30 gun is being added.

Now, how will we actually apply the pilns, wheres the landing
gear etc.

we can supply you with our state-of-the-art head-up display
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/elbit4.jpg

A PHAZATRON SYSTEMS head-up display (HUD) shows target status, weapon status, weapon envelopes and shoot cues. A video camera records data on the HUD for post-mission analysis.

Glorified goggles.

Similar to my SHUD, which will be used anyway.

Anyway, thanks for suggesting but.....

GET OUT

I have decided, since no one else has, that we shall not have swing wings, instead a pair of reasonably swept back ones.

Good idea, swing wing=hi maintenance.

I thought that too.

And I would rather it carried more ordinance on the wings, to be able to fly ground attack and air attack aswell.

I dont want limited positions on the fuselage either.

Have you got a radar yet? Use the N-401 (sp?), the one on the Mig-35.

We are still to discuss radar, and I think it might be brutal :D

Okay

Weapons pilons placement, and radar guys?

WE would be glad to join. How about a combined eurofighter and tornado. :D :x :x :idea: :tantrum: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :P :P

Maybe some otehr time.

I will TG you later for a combined Carrier Based Multi-Role Fighter

Mind if I invite Crookfur or UE?

The Kingdom of Crookfur can offer a multi mode air/surface search and tracking radar system.
With our new weaposn control and handling software the CFES MK4005 phased array radar and target processing system can handle the tracking and simultainious engagement of upto 20 air borne targets (weapons permiting). the secondary ground surveilance mode (operate simulatainously with airsearch) auto matically ID targets and hands them over to the apropriete targeting system for the desried weapon/target type (if if it IDs a bunker and you have a JDAM or the like it processes the coords and passes that to the INS/GPS control system for the bomb).

As you can see the MK4005 is more than just a radar it's a full on target indetifcation, processing and weapons managment package. installable modules allow the integration of data from remote platforms including stand off radar platforms (JSTARs) and UAVs (global hawk etc) to give the plane a true "info sphere" capability.
An enhanced version the MK4005R adds a small MK79 rear facing radar for protect the vital 6 oclock position from air targets.

Nice radar Crookfur.

I will wait for DT to turn up, before saying yes to it.

And sorry bout the military build up.

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Thx Mod.

Crookfur, youre radar has been accepeted.

Please send 1 unit.

Now, lets finish this thing off.

Landing gear, and anything else we need.

You lot all throw something in, I dont care what.

Anyone fancy a kinda bomb bay arrangement, or do we only want stuff mounted on the outside.

I remind Crookfur he is part of this project.

Crookfur Arms have shipped 5 units for integration work.

Since stelath isn't a major factor i would say keep to a conventional exterior mounting scheme although soem of those mountings on the fusalage could be semi recessed.

For Aerodynamical reasons, yes?

Well, just an idea.

Okay, what next?

Yup.


What else are we needing, a check list would be helpful.

Pic - Yes
Engines - Yes
Radar - Yes
Counter-Measures and Weapons - Yes
Landing Gear - No
Electronics - No
HUD - Yes
Cockpit - Yes
Basic Control System - No

There is the checklist.

Anything to add?

The basic control system and general electronics can be handled by us if you so desire (i'm assuming actual manouvering control and navs systems and other non radar senors and coms ssystems).

You were assingned to Electronics anyway, so yes.

And who was doing engines?

I dont think we all agreed who.

BUMP

Dummies back :wink:

Ok

All we are waiting for now is Crookfur with the electronics.

And could DT write up a sales thread?

Or UE?

You guys are good at those.

Everything else I think is complete.

Can everyone be on on Friday at 5?

Flight controls:

Fully integrated fly by light system with computer aided manouvering (ie if you try todepart from controlled flight for what ever reason the computer will bring you back, common feature on most western aircraft).

Non radar sensors:
Passive radar receiver (can be a threat warning system and a suplmentary targeting system using a remote emisions source).

Multi mode EO/Flir pod offers laser targeting of ground targets and imaging for the giudance of and targeting of weapons (offers upto 45x magnification of targets). Also has an air survelinace (IRST) mode offering detection and tracking of upto 250 targets out to 150km.

Navigation:

Full open arictehcture satalite navigation system with radio and laser ring gryo INS as additional systems.

Combat control system: integrating the MK4005N and other sensors together with navaigation and defence systems the Combat Sphere Mk12D data link allows automatic selection of the apropriote weapons for the engagemnt of threats and targets (both preasigned andtargets of opertunaty). Full data linking with remote command and sensing platforms suplment the encrytped radio ssytem and provides the crew with a total view of the battle space.