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Freedom Country has spent millions on a new cargo plane, but lacks resources, history and expertise.

We have concluded that a new fleet of 75 aircraft, and production rights, continual maintenance and training for crew is needed from a supplier.

This supplier must be able to fill to within those limits, at a reasonable price. We are looking for a plane that:

-Has 4 engines
-Can operate off dirt strips
-Has a short take off and landing run.
-Can reach Mach 0.8
-Aerial refule capable
-Can carry 150 troops upwards
-Capable of carrying at least APC's
-Can carry large amounts of cargo

Any plane within these design constraints may enter.
We are looking for stats and pics, not some n00b saying "C-62 Dorkmaster, THE BEST PLANE EVER!!!!"

Result announced Sunday 28th September

Mach 9? And this is for atmospheric conditions?

0.9, sorry

My mistake :oops:

The EA-80 Transport Plane was developed to fulfill a requirement from the Elias Air Force and the Commonwealth of Severesky.

The aircraft which is slightly larger than a C-130J is designed to be flexible and is an extremely capable aircraft that offers the perfect balance of payload, performance, short field capability and cost effectiveness.

As it can either be used as a strategic or a tactical transport there is no need to operate different sets of planes for different roles.

The Aircraft offers many impressive features:

The State of the Art cockpit is fully night-vision compatible and provides accommodation for two pilots and an additional crew member for special mission equipment operation. The flight deck is fitted with seven multifunction displays and two head-up displays.

The cargo compartment can be configured for cargo, vehicle or troop transport or air drop, a combination of these and for aero-medical evacuation. A single loadmaster is able to reconfigure the cargo compartment for different roles either in flight or on the ground. A powered crane installed in the ceiling area of the rear section of the fuselage has a five-ton capacity for loading from the ground and for cross-loading. The rear opening door has full compartment cross-section to allow axial load movement, roll-on and roll-off loading and for the air drop of large loads.

The defensive aids suite includes a radar warner, missile launch and approach warner, and chaff and flare decoy dispensers (optional). The aircraft also has armour plating crew protection, bullet-proof windscreens, engine exhaust treatment for infrared emission reduction and inert gas explosion retardation and fire retardation in the fuel systems. The wings have hardpoints for the installation of electronic warfare pods.


Specifications of EA-80A:

Powerplants: Four EPE-3 Turboprops each producing 6,950shp of thrust each.

Crew: 2 pilots, one loadmaster

Payload: 53,000lb of equipment/freight
or 116 fully equipped troops.

Max Range: Max Payload: 2800miles

Max Speed: Max Payload: 330Kt

minimum Runway lengths: (approximate)
Take Off: 2950ft
landing: 2480ft

Cost: 46 million

Options (apply to all versions)
Air to Air Refuelling Probe: +0.5million
Flare/Chaff dispensers: +1.0million


Other Versions:

-EA-80B Tanker version, same as EA-80A excepts acts as a refuelling tanker for aircraft and helicopters. 52 million

-EA-80C gunship version, same as EA-80A with following exceptions:

Armament: two 20 mm Vulcan cannons with 4000 rounds, one 40mm Bofors cannon with 256 rounds and one 105mm howitzer with 100 rounds.

All weapons are infrared/radar/GPS guided. 58 million

http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/images/a400m.jpg

http://www.fly-net.org/aeromedia/a400m.jpg

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/gallery/mixedload8.jpg

http://www.airbusmilitary.com/gallery/ramp8.jpg

We are looking for a plane that:

-Has 4 engines
-Can operate off dirt strips
-Has a short take off and landing run.
-Can reach Mach 0.9
-Aerial refule capable
-Can carry 150 troops upwards
-Capable of carrying at least APC's
-Can carry large amounts of cargo


You don't need a plane, you need a goddamn starship. The only thing I can think of offhand that meets anywhere near your specs is a B-52 with VTOL jets, a fusion plant and a 4x size hull. Even then, it's SO not hitting Mach 9, looking at aerodynamics alone.
However, if anyone's crazy enough to do it, it'd be me...
Call me tomorrow, I might just have plans drawn up by then.

-Mayhem

EDIT: sorry, didn't see you'd updated the speed req. Still, I think a VTOL B-52 is the way to go...

Mach 0.9 you idiot!!!!

And the entering of the EA-80A is accepted, though the An-124 adn An-225 are rejected, as one country can only enter 1 aircraft (for fairness), adn they are considered too big to operate in small conditions.

We may also make an purchase of the EA-80B Refueler, and EA-80C Gunship

Mach 0.9 is stilla bit optimistic o.8 seems to be able the max operational criuse level for all large aircraft

Our CFU-12 Argo is slightly bigger that UE's EA-80 (both based on the same aircraft, the A400), it can reach 0.9 but its operational effeciny drops by a huge amount at over 0.8.
UE's probabaly offers more features at a better rpice than mine so i say go with his option.

Can I see the stats anyway?

I would like to see it anyway, and enter it, for the sake of competition....

I am FC's puppet btw, designed to come into play if DT invaded FC....

Ok the details are:

Dimensions:
Length: 43.2m
Height: 14.9m
Wing span: 44.6m
Crew: 3
Engines:
4x CFPW TP39 alcohol turbo props
Performance:
Cruise: mach 0.7-0.8
Range (max load): 3300km
Range (30ton load): 4860km
Range (ferry): 9576km
Weights:
Operational empty weight: 66.5tons
Max take-off weight: 140tons
Max landing weight: 120tons
Max payload: 45tons
Payload:
Sample payloads: (payload bay has height: 3.9m and width 4.2m)
6x jeeps/ land rovers/ UAZs and trailers
2x Light armoured vehicles (LAV III, Stoat, Piranha etc)
1x medium helicopter
1x strategic SAM battery
1x Truck and trailer
9x Standard cargo pallets
120 troops or 70 stretchers
Features:
Air to air refuelling probe, full digital auto pilot with GPS and inertial navigation, full digital Coms system and data link, weather radar, terrain avoidance system, full NVG capable operation, full integrated automatic threat detection and counter measures suite. The CFU-12 can be converted to allow for tanker operations.


The CFU-12 Argo is a highly economical short to medium range transport aircraft designed to supply tactical logistical support to today's modern armed forces. Able to operate from even the roughtest of improvised air feilds the Argo excels at providing much needed support for rapid reaction and mobile forces and offers economies of use far greater than those of any jet powered aircraft.

Cost: $80million (tanker equipment: $10million extra)


I may knock down the price considering i've been biulding a lot of these.
And you may get lucky and get a preview order on the Gunship vareint (which youa re trialing at the mo).


United Elias: I'm actually really sorry i hadn't actually noticed that you had used the A400 as a basis (really stupid considering i bought some ages ago). I realise that it seems as though i'm rippign you off but i wasn't ment really!!!

Oh well

The entry is confirmed.

It could make a mean gunship.

Oh god, now it's a competition between these 2 to see what replaces the C-130 Spectre gunship....

:!: :idea: Crookfur I have an idea, why dont you use the An-70 design
http://www.antonovaircargo.com/eng/images/razdel_astc/An-70.jpg

I considered it when i designed the EA-80 but it was ttoo big for me.

It looks nice

I was looking for something based on the old C-17:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c17_2.jpg

The winner will replace all my old C-130's and C-17's

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Keep this open for all those who want to rush together a design, or DT, or someone cocky who thinks they can win.

And United Elias, werent you meant to announce the Tank Contract Winner today?

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AMC-1 Titan Heavy Cargo Aircraft

The AMC-1 Titan is the first aircraft of the Agnos Manufacturing dedicated to transport. One of the largest aircraft in the Agnostican Air Force, it is capable of hauling tremendous loads from paved or unpaved runways, short or long. Unlike many other cargo aircraft, the Titan comes with considerable defenses to include eight AM-3 Silence missiles and two Bushmaster 7.62mm miniguns on retractable turrets along the dorsal surface. These are programmed to not fire along certain planes so as to prevent rounds from chewing into the Titan itself.

The aircraft is loaded from the rear along the ramp door and there are four doorways for crew or troops to board the aircraft. Able to carry more weight than most aircraft in existence, the Titan is capable of carrying three AMG-100 Excelsior main battle tanks and taking off with a full load of fuel.


Specifications
Primary Function: Cargo and troop transport
Power Plant: Six AE 122 Orion Turbojets
Thrust (each engine): 74,628 pounds
Wingspan: 196ft (to winglet tips) (59.76m)
Length: 200.4ft (61.1m)
Height: 55ft (16.79m)
Cargo Compartment:
Length – 108.24ft (33m);
width - 26ft (7.93m);
height – 14ft (4.27m) forward of the wing
and 15.9ft (4.85m) aft of the wing
Speed: 680 mph (Mach .89)
Service Ceiling: 57,000ft at cruising speed (17,378m)
Range: Unlimited with in-flight refueling
Crew: Five (pilot, co-pilot, loadmaster, gunner, assistant gunner)
Maximum Peacetime Takeoff Weight: 794,000lbs (360,909kg)
Load:
200 troops/paratroops;
56 litter and 76 ambulatory patients and attendants;
500,900lbs (227681 kg) of cargo (26 pallet positions)

Unit Cost: 104 million dollars or equivalent



AMC-2 Deity Heavy Cargo Aircraft

The Deity is the second in the Agnos Manufacturing line of cargo aircraft and is designed with the express intent to provide a full platoon (four plus one reserve) of tanks to anywhere in the world. Capable of lifting five AMG-100 Excelsior tanks, this aircraft is ideal for heavy hauling. The bay can be fitted with a twin deck seating arrangement for troop transport and the aircraft is also able to be configured for jump operations. The rear ramp has two doors (inner and outer), allowing the inner door to open up for ramp jump operations.

The Deity has the same armament as the Titan (two 7.62mm Bushmaster miniguns and eight AM-3 Silence missiles) but also carries an additional eight AM-3 Silence missiles as well as an additional 2000 rounds for the miniguns.


Specifications
Primary Function: Cargo and troop transport
Power Plant: Eight AE 122 Orion Turbojets
Thrust (each engine): 74,628 pounds
Wingspan: 220ft (to winglet tips) (67.1m)
Length: 250ft (76.2m)
Height: 62ft (18.9m)
Cargo Compartment:
Length – 167.28ft (51m);
width - 26ft (7.93m);
height – 14ft (4.27m) forward of the wing
and 15.9ft (4.85m) aft of the wing
Speed: 680 mph (Mach .89)
Service Ceiling: 57,000ft at cruising speed (17,378m)
Range: Unlimited with in-flight refueling
Crew: Five (pilot, co-pilot, loadmaster, gunner, assistant gunner)
Maximum Peacetime Takeoff Weight: 1,060,000lbs (481,818kg)
Load:
350 troops/paratroops;
70 litter and 90 ambulatory patients and attendants;
712,300lbs (323,772kg) of cargo (34 pallet positions)

Unit Cost: 130 million dollars or equivalent

AMC-1 Titan entered, we consider the AMC-2 too big.

Remember, it must be able to land on short, dusty strips.

AMC-1 Titan entered.

Current entrees:

United Elias - EA-80A
Crookfur - CFUC-12
Agnosticum - AMC-1 Titan

Any more?

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And United Elias, could ou edit away the An-125 and An-225 pics and stats please?

yep

Thanks

Easier to scroll

bump

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Surely DT must ahev at least 1?

Or anyone else?

Hmm, we have the An-70 which is something along the lines of this, $70 mil each. IRL, its simply too perfect for Russian use (when the whole russian airforce budget is $200 mil these arent really considered), just to tell ya.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/an-70.jpg

Can you post the whole stats please?

What, you dont buy it just because I posted a pic of it (as most people do)?
Here:
http://airwar.ru/enc_e/craft/an70.html

An-70 entered into competition.

I am not buying things off the shelf, I am running a comp much like United Elias's.

Please post more info, selling points etc.

An-70 has propfan engines. Proved to be kinda inefficient and unreliable thats why no country's ordered it yet.

An-70 has propfan engines. Proved to be kinda inefficient and unreliable thats why no country's ordered it yet.
Germany's kinda considering it, and the reason Russia isnt is because its kinda too perfect.

I wonder though how russia can make all this Arena and T-96 junk, and still neglect things like the An-70 and Air Force, which are pretty important.

yeah but Germany's proably going to go for the A400.
Canada also rejected the An-70 but probably becuase the US wouldnt let them buy Ukrainian

I wonder though how russia can make all this Arena and T-96 junk, and still neglect things like the An-70 and Air Force, which are pretty important.
OOC:
T-96 is based on T-94 prototype, which is hiding under an obscure Objekt designation.

ARENA= for export to china and india like the rest of all those new gadgets.

IC:
Or we can sell Il-76's, they can use dirt runways as well, turbofan engines. Say $60 mil each?
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/il-76.htm

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Surely DT must ahev at least 1?

Or anyone else?

Can I warn you that you are only meant to bump your own thread 2 - 3 times, any more and the mods are very likely to delete the thread.

That was the third BUMP only.

That was the third BUMP only.

Well, no more bumps then!

Hey, I was only trying to warn you!

If no one goes to the mods, no problems.


Simple!

Oh

Ok, An-70 resigned (too big) replaced by Il-76's

If no one goes to the mods, no problems.


Simple!

They come to you instead! :P

Il-76 stats?

When you can be bothered of course.

Il-76 stats?

When you can be bothered of course.
Lol.
Crew 6 or 7
Aircraft dimensions
Length 46.6 metres
Height 14.42 metres
Wing span 50.5 metres
Weight
Maximum takeoff weight 170 tons (190 tons)
Load-carrying capacity 47 tons
Cargo hold dimensions
Length (less ramp) 20 metres
Width 3.45 metres
Height 3.4 metres
Engines
Power plants 4 x D-30KP turbofans
Thrust provided by each engine 12,000 kgf
Performance
Range
Flight range with 20-ton payload 6,100 (7,200) km
Flight range with 47-ton payload 3,000 (4,200) km
Speed
Cruise speed at an altitude of 9 to12 km 760 to780 km/hr
Fuel efficiency 231.5 (244)g/t km


$30 mil each (RL price).

Ok thanks

That is entered into the competition.

where did those specs come from?

www.airforce-technology.com/projects/il76/specs.html

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Ummm... guys... have you even looked at my store? :)

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rt2007.gif

and

This is the V-44 "War Mover"
http://popularmechanics.com/science/aviation/2000/9/v44_pentagon_transport/images/tb_0009STAVB-LEAD.jpg (http://popularmechanics.com/science/aviation/2000/9/v44_pentagon_transport/print.phtml)
Raysia Aerospace Is now producing the V-44. (For more info click the image above.)


http://popularmechanics.com/science/aviation/2000/9/v44_pentagon_transport/images/tb_aeroplane_03.jpg

There is no disagreement about the interior. The V-44 is designed to be a heavy hauler. "Imagine this aircraft with a cabin large enough to internally carry an 8 x 8 x 40-ft. container, several helicopters, all types of high mobility multipurpose wheeled vehicles, light armored vehicles, eight standard loading pallets, or 70 [medivac] litters," reads an industry analysis describing the concept. "Imagine an aircraft that could transport 80 to 100 troops or 10 to 20 tons of equipment and supplies at speeds greater than 300 mph over distances from 1000 to 2000 miles and then safely land vertically, without the need for runways or airports."

(Quoted from popular mechanics)
Armamanet:
2 20mm Vulcans
1 30mm Vulcan
1 105mm Gun

Price is 95 Million USD

Oh, and I will be working on a much larger NVTOL later, unless pursuaded...

http://www.artemisgames.com/robotech/images/vc_27.jpg

FC just use the C-130J

Too future tech, sorry.

And I am looking for a Cargo Plane, not a rotodyne.

Too expensive aswell.

Anyway, RT-2007 entered.

Too future tech, sorry.

And I am looking for a Cargo Plane, not a rotodyne.

Too expensive aswell.

Anyway, RT-2007 entered.LOL there's nothing future tech about those, kiddo...

Result tommorow.....

Any last entries?

Freedom Country's military has finally decided to announce the winner. We have thought of it for a long time, and have decided.......

Dark Terror will supply 50 Il-76 cargo planes with A-A refuleing probe
United Elias will supply 20 EA-80 Cargo Planes with A-A refueling probe
Raysia will supply 5 RT-2207 NVTOL's with A-A refueling probe.

Thankyou to all who entered, especially Crookfur, for trying aswell.

Please post final prices.

And could UE and Crookfur get back to me on the tanker and gunship versions?

Freedom Country's military has finally decided to announce the winner. We have thought of it for a long time, and have decided.......

Dark Terror will supply 50 Il-76 cargo planes with A-A refuleing probe
United Elias will supply 20 EA-80 Cargo Planes with A-A refueling probe
Raysia will supply 5 RT-2207 NVTOL's with A-A refueling probe.

Thankyou to all who entered, especially Crookfur, for trying aswell.

Please post final prices.

And could UE and Crookfur get back to me on the tanker and gunship versions?

And Again.....

-EA-80B Tanker version, same as EA-80A excepts acts as a refuelling tanker for aircraft and helicopters with two wing pods for hose and drogue refuelling. 52 million

-EA-80C gunship version, same as EA-80A with following exceptions:

Armament: two 20 mm Vulcan cannons with 4000 rounds, one 40mm Bofors cannon with 256 rounds and one 105mm howitzer with 100 rounds.

All weapons are infrared/radar/GPS guided. 58 million

Price for 20 EA-80A's?

And I have ordered the EA-80 stuff.

C-130 BEGONE.

920 million please.

We can upgrade the Il-76s with modern avionics and new engines to increase reliability and reduce flightcrew. If your interested I'll come up wth something and post later.

I think i've finallised the CFUC-12 Skyflame gunship as having the 30mm weapons
so final load is: 2 x 25mm gatling guns, 2 30mm RARDEN cannons and 1 105mm gun.
cost is $65million

Money for EA-80's wired.

And sorry Crookfur, but UE has placed a better EA-80 gunship version at a lower cost, though we will buy 5.

Thats cool M8. the planes are on thier way to you now.

COnfirmed.

*Money Wired*

Now, for Raysia......