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This is what I have...


Kriegsmarine :

100 Class Wolf Submarines
10 Ticonderoga Cruisers
20 Jessica Class Heavy Cruisers
3 Carriers class Nimitz
30 Iowa Class Battleships
20 AMS-3 Class Sentinel Battleships
14 Dreadnought Class Battleships
2 Ackerson Class Battleships
10 AMS-9 Basilik Anti-Submarine Destroyer
10 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers

What do you advise I should buy and how much would it cost me to buy it from you... thus I need you to make a personalized storefront here... dont give me links, I never visit them...

We have ALOT of old Kilo Class Attack Submarines just sitting in our docks. If youd be interested in em.

http://www.angelfire.com/pro/empireofelara/images/emp_roland.jpg

Well you have a great many battleships so I wont try and sell you them, however you seem to be lacking in submarines and lighter vessels, so i have 3 offers for you:
Naval Vessels
:idea: *Phantom Class Fast Attack/Patrol Boat ( PB-88 )
<EDIT:> since he bought the boat already i have snipped the image (it was causing a page break)

Propulsion
(3) LM2500 GE Marine Gas Turbines (100,000 shp)
(3) Allison 2500 KW Diesel enerators
(2) Shafts with CRP (Controllable Reversible Pitch) Propellers
(2) Bow Thusters for extreme manuverability
(3) Rudders
Speed: 50+ knots

Armament
(2) MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (20 Cells)
[Standard missile (SAM) and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
(2) MK 15 20mm Close-in-Weapons Systems (Phalanx Mounts)
(2) Harpoon Anti-ship Missile Quad Canisters
(2) MK 87 Vertical Launching Systems (16 Cells)
[Standard missile (SAM) and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
(NATO) Evolved Sea Sparrow
(3) MK 45 5 inch 54 caliber Gun Mount (lightweight gun)
(4) FIM-92A Stinger CIWS IR SAMs
(2) MK 32 Triple Torpedo Tubes (six MK 50/46 Torpedoes)
(1) GAU-8 30mm multi-purpose chaingun cannon
Sensors
AN/SPY-1D 3-D Radar
AN/SPS-67(V)3 Radar
AN/SQS-53C(V) Sonar
Crew
(12) officers
(60) enlisted
Cost is $100million
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:idea: *Devil Ray Class Concrete Submarine (CSN-1)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/military/1998/12/concrete_submarines/images/tb_40074_1.jpg
Propulsion:
Fuel Cell and Batteries powering 4 electric turbines.
Armament
(12) Vertical torpedo tubes w/1 230mph Shkval(Squall) Rocket powered torpedo each +2 extra (14 total)
(6) Electric torpedo tubes with 1 torpedos each
Misc. Specs.
Crush Depth: 2200ft (steel subs can only descend to 1800ft)
Concrete subs sink offshore, waiting for enemy ships to
pass overhead. Then they fire the Shkval torpedos verticaly
destroying the enemy before they are detected
(they blend in with the sea floor and since they
are not moving make little noise + the concrete muffles the sound)
Crew: 6
Cost is $90million dollars

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:idea: *SeaSquid Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (SCL-1)
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=7b511403-719d-2a33-2a50-7b6b5dff3eca&size=
We have finnaly decided to introduce our undersea aircraft platform
which is also a fully functional attack submarine on a par with
the Seawolf class. We have found a way to contain a helicopter
on board our submarines. A sliding panel system and rubberized composite
soft insulation system fully enclose a small triangular
flight deck that can accomadate an AH-220 Sea Lion, AH-1Z SuperCobra
or SH-65A Dolphin helicopter. The attack helicopters can be
re-armed refueled and boarded while the vessel is fully
submerged, however to board the SH-65A you must first open
the panels. All of the accepted helicopter types use folding rotors
to fit in the cramped space. With this new capabilty you can easily
support and escort convoys, carrier groups etc with all the same
features as a frigate. This submarine also contains SAM missiles
(a first in the RL world) so that subs can be used to provide covert
air defense for convoys. The SeaSquid Sub also has an enlarged
sonar array under the nose, towed sonar and side scan sonar.
The sub features an enclosed prop making this sub one of
the quietest in the world.
Propulsion:
(1) Nuclear Reactor w/ Fuel Cell and Battery backup
(1) Ducted Prop.
Armament
(24) Vertical launch missile cells (Can accomadate ASROCs, Harpoon or tomahawk, SM-2 missiles.)
[8] torpedo tubes (compatible with MK46, Shkval torpedos and mines.)
Misc. Specs.
Length: 350 feet
Beam: 40 feet
Max Speed: 35 knots (submerged)
Crusing Speed: 20 knots ("silent" speed)
Crush Depth: 1800ft
Aircraft: 1 helicopter, AH-220, AH-1Z or SH-65A (included, please specify)
Crew: 12 Officers, 4 Warrant Officers, 120 Enlisted
Cost is $1.1billion
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We can sell you some of our surplus ships, we are expanding our navy and have decommisioned several ships, heres what we can sell at the moment

1 King II class Battleship - 3,900,000,000
3 King I class battleships - 3,500,000,000 each
4 Prometheus class Aircraft Carriers - 3,400,000,000 each
40 Modified Benham class destroyers - 550,000 each
20 Kirov Missile Cruisers - 700,000,000 each
14 SSD3 Attack Submarines, serious problems with systems, not recommended for purchase - 1,200,000 each
6 AEGIS Ticonderoga class Cruisers - 900,000,000 each
7 Gearing class Destroyers - 1,300,000 each
2 Wasp class LHD's - 1,300,000,000 each

(ooc: you have WAY too many battleships I thought my 6 battleships plus 3 mothballed Iowa class were pushing the limits for what would be needed Think about the crews for the Iowa class alone you're looking at 120,000 men right there at least)

Sword and Shield ::

4 Prometheus AC's - 13.6 million (how many fighters per ac?)
20 Kirov Missile Cruisers - 36 million

Antarctica123 ::

20 Phantom Class Fast Attack/Patrol Boats - 2 billion

Elara ::

How much for each sub? and how many do you have for sale?

OOC: I have a 2.8 trillion USD military budget based on a 50% budget rate.

Order confirmed

(ooc: you have WAY too many battleships I thought my 6 battleships plus 3 mothballed Iowa class were pushing the limits for what would be needed Think about the crews for the Iowa class alone you're looking at 120,000 men right there at least)

OOC: My naval crews w/ maintainence, cooks, etc... around 3 million personell.... I have a 5% conscription rate meaning I can have atleast 25 million troops.

My army numbers around 18 million and my air force around some 900,000

(( While I agree he has way too many battleships, Iowa class BB's do not have 120,000 crew, no ship has that, Iowa's have crews are about 1,900 large ))

This is what I have...


Kriegsmarine :

100 Class Wolf Submarines
10 Ticonderoga Cruisers
20 Jessica Class Heavy Cruisers
3 Carriers class Nimitz
30 Iowa Class Battleships
20 AMS-3 Class Sentinel Battleships
14 Dreadnought Class Battleships
2 Ackerson Class Battleships
10 AMS-9 Basilik Anti-Submarine Destroyer
10 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers

What do you advise I should buy and how much would it cost me to buy it from you... thus I need you to make a personalized storefront here... dont give me links, I never visit them...

First off, you have way too many battleships. Those cost almost as much to build and maintain as a Nimitz carrier, and 50+ carriers is definately too high.

For what you need:
You are painfully short on escort ships. The bulk of your navy should be cruisers, destroyers, and frigates, and you will need several hundred more escorts just to support the carriers and battleships you already have.

You also need support and logistics vessels. I see no underway replenishment, sealift, or amphibious ships here. Likewise, there aren't any minesweepers or patrol craft. The first three are absolutely essential if you intend to do anything beyond your own shores, and the last two are needed for home defense.

Can't give you prices just yet, but if you intend to keep all those capital ships, we're looking at hundreds of billions. With buying more capital ships, it could easily be in the trillions.

(( While I agree he has way too many battleships, Iowa class BB's do not have 120,000 crew, no ship has that, Iowa's have crews are about 1,900 large ))
No I meant for the 30 battleships would take 120,000 all together, I put 4,000 which I guess was because I was thinking of my Norad and Adelie class which have 4k crew because they are aircraft carriers as well.

Order confirmed, the AC's carry 76 planes each, I usually outfit them with 24 VTOL/Rotary aircraft and 42 Fixed Wing Aircraft, however that is only me, it is outfitted with catapaults.

This is what I have...


Kriegsmarine :

100 Class Wolf Submarines
10 Ticonderoga Cruisers
20 Jessica Class Heavy Cruisers
3 Carriers class Nimitz
30 Iowa Class Battleships
20 AMS-3 Class Sentinel Battleships
14 Dreadnought Class Battleships
2 Ackerson Class Battleships
10 AMS-9 Basilik Anti-Submarine Destroyer
10 Arleigh Burke-class destroyers

What do you advise I should buy and how much would it cost me to buy it from you... thus I need you to make a personalized storefront here... dont give me links, I never visit them...

First off, you have way too many battleships. Those cost almost as much to build and maintain as a Nimitz carrier, and 50+ carriers is definately too high.

For what you need:
You are painfully short on escort ships. The bulk of your navy should be cruisers, destroyers, and frigates, and you will need several hundred more escorts just to support the carriers and battleships you already have.

You also need support and logistics vessels. I see no underway replenishment, sealift, or amphibious ships here. Likewise, there aren't any minesweepers or patrol craft. The first three are absolutely essential if you intend to do anything beyond your own shores, and the last two are needed for home defense.

Can't give you prices just yet, but if you intend to keep all those capital ships, we're looking at hundreds of billions. With buying more capital ships, it could easily be in the trillions.

Ok, well I did pay for the battleships, but for the sake of not god modding I will lower the number to..

10 Iowa Class Battleships
15 AMS-3 Class Sentinel Battleships
14 Dreadnought Class Battleships
2 Ackerson Class Battleships

and I only have 3 carriers...

Lol S&S I thought u had forgotten 3 zeros but i wanst going to say anyhting cuz i wanted the wasps for cheap lol.

Well then someone sell what Clan Jaguar said I needed.... lol... im so needy..

I have to go but I'll post my buys tomorrow...

OOC: I havent spent any money for over three weeks now (well on military imports I mean).

Lol S&S I thought u had forgotten 3 zeros but i wanst going to say anyhting cuz i wanted the wasps for cheap lol.

lol, yes I did miss just a few zeroes, prices have been adjusted to correct ones now.

Note to Macabees: If you would like, for an extra 500,000,000 and wait about 2-3 RL days (Using 1 RLday=1 NS year, I use 1 NS month, but I think you use year) I can upgrade your purchase to the Prometheus Long-hull, it is about 1 Knot slower and much larger and requires more maintenace but it can carry 88-90 planes and features an expanded AA system.

Ok, well I did pay for the battleships, but for the sake of not god modding I will lower the number to..

10 Iowa Class Battleships
15 AMS-3 Class Sentinel Battleships
14 Dreadnought Class Battleships
2 Ackerson Class Battleships

and I only have 3 carriers...
What I meant was that the cost of building and maintaining all those battleships would be equivalent to having well over 30 carriers. The actual operating cost of an Iowa class battleship is a little under $190 million a year, which is almost as much as a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. Average annual life-cycle cost (including procurement cost, modernizations, less common maintainence requirements, as well as munitions) probably exeeds $300 million per year, compared to $450 million for the Nimitz.

For the record, a Nimitz carrier battle group usually consists of 1 carrier, 2 Ticonderoga CGs, 3 Arleigh Burke DDGs, 2 Spruance DDs, 1-2 Olver Hazard Perry FFGs, and 2 Los Angelas SSNs. Support vessels include 1-2 fleet oilers, and 1 multiproduct replenishment ship.

I'm not sure about a Battleship group, but I would suspect that there would be at least 6 escorts there. Maybe 1 Ticonderoga, 2 Arleigh Burkes, 2 Spruances, and 1 Oliver Hazard Perry. It would require maybe 1 fleet oiler and 1 multiproduct replenishment ship for support.

Ok, with that out of the way, onto the ships:
Raptor Class LHD
Displacement: 46,530 tons
Speed: 23 knots
Armament: 3x25mm Bushmaster, 2x21 round box launcher (RIM-116 RAM), 2xSea Sparrow launcher, 2xDragon CIWS, 4x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: 28-48 depending on mission
18 CH-46, 9 CH-53, 4 UH-60, 4 AH-1, 6 AV-8B or
48 CH-46 (assault) or
24 AV-8B, 12 SH-60F (sea control)
Payload: 22,000 sq ft vehicle, 125,000 ft3 cargo, 590,000 gal POL
Landing Craft: 2 LCU or 3 LCAC or 6 LCM-8 or 40 AAV
Crew: 1096 + 1893 troops (2093 surge)
A modern LHD that’s slightly larger than the US Wasp class. It maintains similar capabilities, but is slightly more advanced and has a larger aircraft and payload capacity.
Cost: $1.5 billion

Samurai Class LHA
Displacement: 54,500 tons
Speed: 24 knots
Armament: 3x25mm Bushmaster, 2x21 round box launcher (RIM-116 RAM), 2xSea Sparrow launcher, 2xDragon CIWS, 4x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: 29-55 depending on mission
Typically: 6 JSF, 12 MV-22, 4 CH-53, 4 AH-1, 3 UH-1, 2 HH-60
Payload: 30,000 sq ft vehicle, 150,000 ft3 cargo, 950,000 gal POL
Landing Craft: 2 LCU or 3 LCAC or 6 LCM-8 or 40 AAV
Essentially a slightly larger version of the Raptor LHD that’s designed to provide a platform for F-35B JSFs. This also boasts a much greater payload capacity.
Crew: 1289 + 1703 troops (1907 surge)
Cost: $1.8 billion

LPD-17 San Antonio
Displacement: 25,000 tons loaded
Speed: 22 knots
Payload: 2323 m2 vehicle parking space on three decks, 708 m3 ammunition, 1228 m3 fuel
Landing Craft: 2 LCAC or 4 LCM-8 or 9 LCM-6 or 20 AAV
Armament: 1x16 cell VLS (SM-2, Tomahawk), 2x21 round box launcher (RIM-116 RAM), 2xCIWS, 2x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: Hangar facilities for 3 AH/UH-1, 1 V-22, or 1 CH-53. Landing pad w/ space for 2 CH-53, 4 AH/UH-1, 4 CH-46, 2 V-22, or 1 AV-8B
Crew: 483 + 700 troops (900 surge)
This is a large, advanced amphibious transport dock that lands troops and equipment primarily from naval landing craft. It combines the roles of LSTs (Landing Ship-Tanks), LSDs (Landing Ship Docks), and LKAs (attack cargo ships) into one vessel.
Cost: $772 million

LPD-4 Austin
Displacement: 17,500 tons
Speed: 21 knots
Payload: 12,000 sq ft vehicle, 40,000 ft3 bulk
Landing Craft: 1xLCAC or 1xLCU or 4xLCM-8 or 9xLCM-6 or 24xAAV
Armament: 2x25mm Bushmaster, 8x12.7mm, 2xPhalanx CIWS
Aircraft: 6xCH-46, Hangar facilities for 4
Crew: 420 + 900 troops
An older LPD vessel.
Cost: $419 million

T-AKR 287 Algol
Displacement: 61,987 tons loaded
Payload: 185,000 sq ft vehicles, 46 TEU
Speed: 33 knots
Crew: 42
This is a fast sealift ship with roll-on/roll-off and lift-on/lift-off capabilities, and handles both vehicles and conventional cargo. With a top speed of 33 knots, this is one of, if not THE fastest class of cargo ships ever built, and is therefore an excellent rapid deployment craft.
Cost: $301 million

T-AKR 300 Bob Hope
Displacement: 62,968 tons loaded
Payload: 397,413 sq ft parking space
Speed: 24 knots
Crew: 50 + 300 troops
This is a large, medium-speed Roll-on/Roll-off ship (LMSR) designed for transporting heavy equipment. It has nearly 400,000 sq ft of parking space, allowing it to carry a full armored task force of 58 MBTs, 48 other tracked vehicles, and over 900 trucks and HMMWVs.
Cost: $265 million

T-AO 187 Henry J. Kaiser
Displacement: 38,182 tons
Payload: 180,000 barrels of fuel, some other stores
Speed: 20 knots
Crew: 124
This is a large fleet oiler, tasked with resupplying ships at sea. As the type suggests, its primary load is fuel, though it carries a small amount of other cargo.
Cost: $240 million

AOE-6 Supply
Displacement: 44,364 tons
Payload: 150,000 barrels of fuel, 1800 tons munitions, 400 tons dry stores, 20,000 gallons water
Speed: 25 knots
Armament: 1xSea Sparrow launcher, 2xPhalanx CIWS, 2x25mm Bushmaster cannon, 4x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: 3xCH-46
Crew: 669
This is a smaller, but more advanced combat support ship. This ship is also designed to combat standards, giving it increased endurance and survivability compared to similar vessels.
Cost: $568 million

A Nimitz class aircraft carrier costs $4 billion to build and $2 billion a year to operate, in real life.

I could be wrong in RL but most NS Nimitz cost 4.5 Billion to build

yeah

A Nimitz class aircraft carrier costs $4 billion to build and $2 billion a year to operate, in real life.
Ok, I didn't bother to account for inflation (those figures were 1997 dollars, but that doesn't cover this discrepancy.
Using current dollars, there's a $3+ billion dollar midlife upgrade, but no, a Nimitz does NOT cost $2 billion a year. In 2003 dollars, it costs about $375 million a year to operate, of which $200 million covers the actual ship. Most of the rest is the operating cost of the aircraft. Average lif-cycle cost is $562 million in 2003 dollars. Likewise, using current dollars would put the Iowa at a $245 million annual operating cost, and about a $400 million average annual life cycle cost.

I could be wrong in RL but most NS Nimitz cost 4.5 Billion to build
Actually, in current dollars, a Nimitz would cost closer to $5 billion to build. CVN-77 has a projected construction cost of $5.2 billion

CVN-76 and CVN-77 do cost more then the others that were built, however they feature more differences and probably should be considered a subclass. Most people on NS build the standard Nimitz which is around 4.5 Billion, the newer ones like the Ronald Reagan probably do cost more towards 5 Billion

10 AOE-6 Supply 5,680,000,000
5 T-AKR 300 Bob Hope 1,325,000,000
10 T-AO 187 Henry J. Kaiser 2,400,000,000
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9,405,000,000 USD

10 AOE-6 Supply 5,680,000,000
5 T-AKR 300 Bob Hope 1,325,000,000
10 T-AO 187 Henry J. Kaiser 2,400,000,000
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9,405,000,000 USD
$9.405 billion confirmed.
The ships should arrive within 3 NS months.

I have 2,000 of them. I need the space so Ill sell them for 1 million a peice. Seems like a giveaway but I need the room for my new personalized subs.

Defiant Class

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/static/pages/data/gallery/full/1049181919f.jpg

Power Plant Two Nuclear Power Plant (A4W Pressurized Water Reactor)
Four shafts, Four propellers, with five blades each
Length, overall: 1,592 feet (332.85 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 175 feet (76.8 meters)
Beam: 124 feet (40.84 meters)
Displacement Approx.: 59,000 tons empty
Displacement Approx.: 105,000 tons full load
Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour)
Aircraft: 95
Aircraft elevators: 2 Large
Catapults Four
Crew Ship's Company: 3,200
Air Wing: 2,480
Arnament: 4 AA-2 launchers
6 Phalnax's
2 AA-3 launchers
1 70mm cannon

COST: 5 Billion