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Uhm, M-2=Bradley.

OOC: Dammit, I was just going to call something the Bellerophon...not sure what yet, but something. :wink:

Cool tank, though I have to hand it to DT about the M2=Bradley deal...

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Whats the deal with this tank in real life?

I think under American designations it's the M4, maybe you can call it the Sherman II. ;)

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Whats the deal with this tank in real life?

That isnt a tank in real life. but i congradulate you on your tank, the only thing i want to ask is what is the armro ratign in mm, say as the M1A2 heavy is 1000mm or so. and thats a bit expensive for a tank jsut to add, but what do i have to say my last tank project cost 12 million each. :roll: :wink:

The M6 do look... quite nice.

Can the main gun also shoot ATGMs? Any fold-out SAM launchers?

Omzian PLF Army

Those pictures are of the Challenger? Oh okay.

Another thing the 2 autonomous minigunsis a bad idea as most likely these tanks wont jsut eb fighting on the open battlefield and it mgiht train in on a running civillian since its heat, and it might jsut shoot at you own attack helicopters when in radar mode.

M6 = Bradley Linebacker

The M6 do look... quite nice.

Can the main gun also shoot ATGMs? Any fold-out SAM launchers?

Omzian PLF ArmyI would say it could since the M1A2 has a 125mm i think, and it can

Hmmm...modifying a Stinger missile to be shot from the main barrel. Fucking A!!

The M6 do look... quite nice.

Can the main gun also shoot ATGMs? Any fold-out SAM launchers?

Omzian PLF ArmyI would say it could since the M1A2 has a 125mm i think, and it can
OOC: I'm talking about Anti-Tank Guided Missiles, not the normal HEAT/Sabot/etc. rounds.

Hmmm...modifying a Stinger missile to be shot from the main barrel. f--- A!!
OOC: The question is... how?

The M6 do look... quite nice.

Can the main gun also shoot ATGMs? Any fold-out SAM launchers?

Omzian PLF ArmyI would say it could since the M1A2 has a 125mm i think, and it can
OOC: I'm talking about Anti-Tank Guided Missiles, not the normal HEAT/Sabot/etc. rounds.I do happen to know whqt your talkign about, but correct me if i'm wrong

Sniper should put a electrothermal cannon on it, its the modernization cycle which I pioneered in nationstates.

Hmmm...modifying a Stinger missile to be shot from the main barrel. f--- A!!
OOC: The question is... how?YOu would need deployable wings that are housed inside the rocket body untill it exits the barrel, and a more advanced trackign comp to control the AIM-9

I do happen to know whqt your talkign about, but correct me if i'm wrong

OOC: Being a 125mm gun it doesn't necessarily mean that the gun can fire ATGMs.

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Hmmm...modifying a Stinger missile to be shot from the main barrel. f--- A!!
OOC: The question is... how?

Just modify it for the barrel size.

I do happen to know whqt your talkign about, but correct me if i'm wrong

OOC: Being a 125mm gun it doesn't necessarily mean that the gun can fire ATGMs.

I know kinda a bit about tanks, but i never really got the idea of tanks firing ATM's

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Hmmm...modifying a Stinger missile to be shot from the main barrel. f--- A!!
OOC: The question is... how?YOu would need deployable wings that are housed inside the rocket body untill it exits the barrel, and a more advanced trackign comp to control the AIM-9
AIM-9=Sidewinder, not Stinger.

Just modify it for the barrel size.

Sure, I could just "modify a barrel", and somehow get the Stinger out of it, but you also forget about targeting system?

I'd sell you some specially treated DU which has 1.5x the hardness of normal DU.

Armor Rating:
1080mm Front and Turret
950mm Rear
1000mm Sides

No, the Main Gun can only fire the 135mm cannon rounds; however, we are looking into the thought of the firing ATGMs. And no fold-out SAM Systems are located on the tank. This is why they are always escorted by P-PMADS.SOunds good on the armro and the hourse power on it, all in all its one of the better modern day tanks here.

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Hmmm...modifying a Stinger missile to be shot from the main barrel. f--- A!!
OOC: The question is... how?YOu would need deployable wings that are housed inside the rocket body untill it exits the barrel, and a more advanced trackign comp to control the AIM-9
AIM-9=Sidewinder, not Stinger.

Just modify it for the barrel size.

Sure, I could just "modify a barrel", and somehow get the Stinger out of it, but you also forget about targeting system?

Ooops sorry, forgot what sidewinder was, same kind of missle basically though

M1A2 has a 120mm cannon.

Armor Rating:
1080mm Front and Turret
950mm Rear
1000mm Sides

No, the Main Gun can only fire the 135mm cannon rounds; however, we are looking into the thought of the firing ATGMs. And no fold-out SAM Systems are located on the tank. This is why they are always escorted by P-PMADS. We are also looking into the inquiry of the M134s.
Still looks nice.

Can missile pods be mounted on this?

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Or just a new missile where you point the barrel up in the air and once the missile has flown so high have it go into search mode to seek out a helos IR signature

[Heh, don't tell anybody, but all I did was 'tweak' the specs on some other RL tanks...]
[Understandable :P ]

I'd sell you some specially treated DU which has 1.5x the hardness of normal DU.Exactly how is is 1.5 times harder than regular DU, unless you packed the nucleus of the uranium with neutrosn to make it mroe dense , how is it possible.

Its actually a compostion of DU and other materials stamped into armor plate. It has shown to be 1.5 times harder then normal DU.

(I don't know it it's real science, I read a site where it said the Army was making a DU combo with something else to make it harder)

Its actually a compostion of DU and other materials stamped into armor plate. It has shown to be 1.5 times harder then normal DU.

(I don't know it it's real science, I read a site where it said the Army was making a DU combo with something else to make it harder)

Its a tungsten slug wiht a coating of Du around it i'm sure.

I slap it on my tanks, gives it a big armor increase for not much extra weight. It's just an expensive proces of melting down and remolding.

Whats the deal with this tank in real life?

That isnt a tank in real life. but i congradulate you on your tank, the only thing i want to ask is what is the armro ratign in mm, say as the M1A2 heavy is 1000mm or so. and thats a bit expensive for a tank jsut to add, but what do i have to say my last tank project cost 12 million each. :roll: :wink:

Sorry not quite the M1 series started with a 105mm Rifled, the newer ones have a 120mm smooth bore. and currently SC only light tanks and APC's carry missles as a secondary weapon. we tankers wont stop to shoot that damned weapon "missle" so dont give it to us! also above about the sidewinder its an air to air missle. stinger is ground to air. they kill planes. tanks that engage planes die. that's why we dont engage air planes.

He said armor rating, not cannon size.

Whats the deal with this tank in real life?

That isnt a tank in real life. but i congradulate you on your tank, the only thing i want to ask is what is the armro ratign in mm, say as the M1A2 heavy is 1000mm or so. and thats a bit expensive for a tank jsut to add, but what do i have to say my last tank project cost 12 million each. :roll: :wink:

Sorry not quite the M1 series started with a 105mm Rifled, the newer ones have a 120mm smooth bore. and currently SC only light tanks and APC's carry missles as a secondary weapon. we tankers wont stop to shoot that damned weapon "missle" so dont give it to us!

What about a missile that you could fire on the run?

Might I make the suggestion of adding the M-99 missile mount system(designed by PD for the T-1, T-01 and T-02, also fitted on APCs and some hummers ). It holds 4 modified AGM-114 Hellfire MMW anti-tank missiles, and 20 M261 HYDRA rockets. The targeting system is included as well. This hellfire version works on tanks up to 8km away and is also moderatley effective against helicopters and low flying aircraft. If you are interested I could provide more information and would be willing to sell you production rights. (so that you could include them on your tanks without buying them indivdiauly).

no we cant carry missles any more because of the way we store ammo these days. and tankers wont leave the tank to load a weapon mounted on the out side. trust me on this.

*begins production on AA tank missile a LAHAT you can fire on the run*

Sweet...

we dont need missles on tanks fella's we have indipendant tank killing vehicals for that! we have a main gun that can punch a hole in anything we can see.

no we cant carry missles any more because of the way we store ammo these days. and tankers wont leave the tank to load a weapon mounted on the out side. trust me on this.

We use very simple and effective autloaders, the LAHAT just takes up 2 slots instead of one.

Load? There is no reloading, its 4 missiles, that's all no spares. Its an ancillary weapon anyway and even though there is some armor on the M-99 it is designed to blow outwards using compressed air if it is impacted..


EDIT: nevermind i thought you were refering to me.

The LAHAT is launched from the maing gun of the tank.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m1a2-l.gif
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m1a2_abrams-turret-s.jpg

As you can see here. the inside of our turrent is quite cramped. quit trying to stick crap into it. the other shows our turrent from the top view.

see those 2 large plates on the rear of it. that is the ammo storage. if it gets hit. the fire blows the plates off and saves the tank and crew. no where on it can we mount a missle launcher or an auto loader. we wont use missle cause of one thing we are trained to do with missle's.

the army tried to fire missle from the main gun it cuased the crews to die. we dont do it any more. the tank was is no longer in use. last used in panama invasion and hasnt had a mislle fired from it since vietnam.

when a missle fires it creates on hell of a large plum of smoke we can actually engae most launchers and kill them. stopping the wire guided missle yes the gun leaves smoke. but its where we once were!

SEA is right. Stop trying to put ATM's on tanks. That's what the big honkin' gun is for. You can put guidance systems into cannon shells, along with rocket-assistance systems (similar to what is being done with howitzers) and have a much better end result. As for AA capability for tanks, the only real way this could work is if you replaced one of the MG's with a *single shot* Stinger launcher so that your tanks weren't quite so vulnerable against choppers with antitank weapons. Any other way would be cumbersome and dangerous. Not to mentioned it would be completely pointless if you're using a decent combined arms stratengy anyways.

The LAHAT is launched from the maing gun of the tank.
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THANK YOU Johnistan!

We've all had this conversation before: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57553&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

All about the LAHAT (which can be, and is, fired from main tank smoothbore barrels in the Merkava series, which features a revolver-based autoloader system) and this issue.