NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: I've been working on setting this up for some time, and have finally gotten everything I need together. Right now, we're just going to RP some of the events that will lead up to a major war, which will (hopefully) be starting toward the end of this week.
During this time, others can sign up to participate. So long as you can realistically can provide support and can follow the rules, and I haven't already decided you're someone I don't want, you will likely be able to join.
The primary defender in this war is my main nation, Clan Smoke Jaguar. The primary attacker is the Ghost Bear Dominion, which is on loan to a friend.
The secondary attacker is Clan Wolverine, which I will be controlling as well (there is a bit of a reason for this).
There are a number of additional nations I have that may be used to keep things balanced, though I'd prefer not to use them. I'd like to have more random elements, not less.

GBD and myself will also act as GMs for this, and we may make rulings on actions, stats, losses, etc, as well as settle disputes. However, the less we have to, the better.


THE RULES

1) What GBD and myself say, goes. We will be perfectly happy if we don't have to make any judgments or settle disputes, but if we do, what we say will be final.

2) Near future or lower tech only. I don't want to see ortillery, grav tanks, mechs, hypersonic fighters, etc.

3) No magic.

4) Logistics will be RPed. This means that once the war starts, reinforcements may very well never make it to the region, supply lines can be cut off, forcing armies to surrender, and offensives can be ground to a halt due to lack of fuel and ammunition from supply interdictions. Due to the geographic location of these nations, this means that controlling sea lanes will be a critical factor.
4A) Incompatible equipment will increase supply problems. The defender is western (NATO) tech, the attackers are primarily eastern (Soviet Bloc). If your equipment isn't of the same type, you will need to ship all relevant supplies (spare parts, ammunition, etc). They don't get through, you don't fight well.
4B) Forces won't arrive in the region overnight, and once they do, they will still need time to set up and organize before they can fight. Also, the size of expeditionary forces will be limited by other factors (other deployments, treaties, home defense requirements, budget, available sealift, etc). No "I send 15 million troops" here.

5) No WMDs without my approval. They will be used, but I want it kept down to limited tactical, and occasionally strategic, use. Carpet nuking, persistant chemical agents, and biological warfare will not be used at all.

6) I wish to keep things even here. If necessary, that may include using my other nations to reinforce one side or the other, and possibly refusing players if it starts to get too lopsided.

7) You must have an IC reason for particpating in the war. You can be creative, but simple imperialistic desires or defending CSJ just because they were attacked won't cut it. Also, multi-nation alliances and organizations will not get involved as a whole, since none of the primary participants are members of any. If you don't already have one, and wish to RP a reason over the next few days, that's perfectly fine, and I'll be more than happy to assist.
Some possible reasons to attack: Support of fellow Fundamentalist Catholic nation (GBD) in eliminating the Jewish threat (CSJ has a Jewish majority); you've been on the recieving end of weapons CSJ sold
Possible reasons to defend: Military alliance with CSJ; protecting investments

8.) For the final outcome, there will be no total victory, so no nation will end up being conquered or wiped out, and we won't see any puppet regimes getting installed. Outside of that, pretty much anything's game.

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IC: It was noon by the time the Bounder left Port Arthur. After leaving, she turned toward a heading of 280 degrees, while being careful to remain within established sea lanes, and well clear of GBD territorial waters. With such an expensive cargo, the last thing the crew wanted was to invite the attack that might come if they strayed off course.

OOC: Hmm, I'm interested, since you have bases inside my nation.

What is the tech level for this? (I'm RPing 2010).

OOC: Hmm, I'm interested, since you have bases inside my nation.

What is the tech level for this? (I'm RPing 2010).
That's fine, and I'm going to go off here and guess you're on the defender's side :lol:

((I'd like to join. I'm a good rp'er and I can rp the logistics and shit. Can I decide whether I can be an attacker or defender? Cause I want to have western tech, so a defender. Also what is the actual point of the prelude? The IC post doesn't make much sense to me.lol))

Is optical stealth acceptible? And at what point do you consider a tank to be future tech? If my forces meet the requirements I would like to join the NATO side. I can send you the stats for my equipment if you want.

I would be interested. So many people tend to neglect that logistics side of war. And I can throw together a creative reason for being there. My current claims are Proxima Centauri (shared with several other nations), Pholus, Proxima Centauri III, Nessus Prime, Prometheus Centauri, and a smattering of outposts and treaty ports across the Sol System. Let me know how it turns out.

So many people tend to neglect that logistics side of war.

OOC: Agreed. I'm sick of wars here where people do "I send 3 million troops and 20,000 M1A2s!!!1111" or "I send 2000 F-16s and 800 B-52s!!11111".

((I'd like to join. I'm a good rp'er and I can rp the logistics and ####. Can I decide whether I can be an attacker or defender? Cause I want to have western tech, so a defender. Also what is the actual point of the prelude? The IC post doesn't make much sense to me.lol))
Ok, you're in (yes, you do get a choice, so you're a defender).
Oh, things will happen with the prelude, and the reason I have it is that wars don't just pop up out of nowhere. Even wars that appear to come up suddenly have roots that can be traced back at least a few years.

Is optical stealth acceptible? And at what point do you consider a tank to be future tech? If my forces meet the requirements I would like to join the NATO side. I can send you the stats for my equipment if you want.
It depends what you mean by optical stealth. If you mean better-than average camoflage, that's all right. If you mean that it's some form of technology that renders things invisible to optical sensors, that won't fly. Stats on equipment would be appreciated.

For both of you, you'll need a reason to get involved. Hmm, perhaps the cargo in that ship could be heading to you . . .

I would be interested. So many people tend to neglect that logistics side of war. And I can throw together a creative reason for being there. My current claims are Proxima Centauri (shared with several other nations), Pholus, Proxima Centauri III, Nessus Prime, Prometheus Centauri, and a smattering of outposts and treaty ports across the Sol System. Let me know how it turns out.
Near future means that I don't accept space-based nations. If you're willing to RP an Earth nation with a little above current tech, that's fine, but I won't accept you as a space nation.

OOC: Another question, is this limited to RL tech only? Or does this also allow custom tech (NATO based, or your [CSJ's] tech)?
Also, some of my MBTs are also Eastern Bloc tech-based, so can a few Russian-based tech exist on the defender's side, and a few NATO-based tech exist on the attacker's side?

OOC: Another question, is this limited to RL tech only? Or does this also allow custom tech (NATO based, or your [CSJ's] tech)?
Also, some of my MBTs are also Eastern Bloc tech-based, so can a few Russian-based tech exist on the defender's side, and a few NATO-based tech exist on the attacker's side?
Yes, custom tech is still allowed as long as it's firmly rooted in reality.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having NATO tech and joining the attackers, and vice versa. I was pointing out that it would complicate the supply situation, as you won't be able to get the appropriate supplies from the nation that's hosting your forces.

((I'd like to join. I'm a good rp'er and I can rp the logistics and ####. Can I decide whether I can be an attacker or defender? Cause I want to have western tech, so a defender. Also what is the actual point of the prelude? The IC post doesn't make much sense to me.lol))
Ok, you're in (yes, you do get a choice, so you're a defender).
Oh, things will happen with the prelude, and the reason I have it is that wars don't just pop up out of nowhere. Even wars that appear to come up suddenly have roots that can be traced back at least a few years.

Is optical stealth acceptible? And at what point do you consider a tank to be future tech? If my forces meet the requirements I would like to join the NATO side. I can send you the stats for my equipment if you want.
It depends what you mean by optical stealth. If you mean better-than average camoflage, that's all right. If you mean that it's some form of technology that renders things invisible to optical sensors, that won't fly. Stats on equipment would be appreciated.

For both of you, you'll need a reason to get involved. Hmm, perhaps the cargo in that ship could be heading to you . . .

I would be interested. So many people tend to neglect that logistics side of war. And I can throw together a creative reason for being there. My current claims are Proxima Centauri (shared with several other nations), Pholus, Proxima Centauri III, Nessus Prime, Prometheus Centauri, and a smattering of outposts and treaty ports across the Sol System. Let me know how it turns out.
Near future means that I don't accept space-based nations. If you're willing to RP an Earth nation with a little above current tech, that's fine, but I won't accept you as a space nation.

I will accept those terms. Create the nation, or give me a name and I will do it. *sigh* I used to be Earth based, but my first nation is long gone now. Valinon is its first and last colony.

((I'd like to join. I'm a good rp'er and I can rp the logistics and ####. Can I decide whether I can be an attacker or defender? Cause I want to have western tech, so a defender. Also what is the actual point of the prelude? The IC post doesn't make much sense to me.lol))
Ok, you're in (yes, you do get a choice, so you're a defender).
Oh, things will happen with the prelude, and the reason I have it is that wars don't just pop up out of nowhere. Even wars that appear to come up suddenly have roots that can be traced back at least a few years.

Is optical stealth acceptible? And at what point do you consider a tank to be future tech? If my forces meet the requirements I would like to join the NATO side. I can send you the stats for my equipment if you want.
It depends what you mean by optical stealth. If you mean better-than average camoflage, that's all right. If you mean that it's some form of technology that renders things invisible to optical sensors, that won't fly. Stats on equipment would be appreciated.

For both of you, you'll need a reason to get involved. Hmm, perhaps the cargo in that ship could be heading to you . . .

I would be interested. So many people tend to neglect that logistics side of war. And I can throw together a creative reason for being there. My current claims are Proxima Centauri (shared with several other nations), Pholus, Proxima Centauri III, Nessus Prime, Prometheus Centauri, and a smattering of outposts and treaty ports across the Sol System. Let me know how it turns out.
Near future means that I don't accept space-based nations. If you're willing to RP an Earth nation with a little above current tech, that's fine, but I won't accept you as a space nation.

I will accept those terms. Create the nation, or give me a name and I will do it. *sigh* I used to be Earth based, but my first nation is long gone now. Valinon is its first and last colony.
If you want to RP using your current nation, just as if it were at the appropriate level, that's fine. Creating a new nation (so long as I know it's you) is also acceptable. It's really up to you on how you'd like to do this.

And ironically, my first nation was space-based. It's just long gone now. :lol:

I will just RP another nation under my current nation. I will defer to you to create a name and the basic stats, this is after all your story line.

protecting investments


((I think that is the best reason for me to get involved. Maybe I will have an embassy and a large group of people there when it is attacked. The attackers come in and unfortanatley kill my people and then I begin to get more involved. Sound good?))

OOC: Grimdale would be willing to become involved simply to protect people's basic rights and freedoms since that is one of the main tenents of my nation. You'll have everything I can throw into this fight. And that's a lot given that within two weeks everyone between 18-40 can be mobilized. And yes I do have a reasonible explination on how this works but it would take a long time to explain it. If you really have to know for the purposes of this RP, TG me and I'll try to dig up one of my old posts or something.

President Gabriel Jewell

The GBD patrol ship had been having an uneventful time on it's route. That unfortionatly the captin of this ship always became iritated and prone to outburst when things had been too uneventful for too long. It was no surprise to the crew that when the unknown ship was detected that the imeadiate order was to fire without even checking what the vessel was or which waters it was. The crew had little choice to obey unless they wanted the captin to redirect his irritation at them.

No one on board the ship saw the incoming SS-N-2 missile, nor would it have mattered if they had, as there was no way such a large civilian vessel could have evaded. The missile struck the port side of the vessel, its 1000 lb warhead blasting a huge hole in the ship, and starting numerous fires. Shortly thereafter, the vessel was torn to pieces by a series of secondary explosions as the cargo, over $1 billion in various munitions, was ignited, culminating in a massive explosion that send pieces of the ship high into the air, and scattering them for miles in every direction.



Aboard CSJN E-2E Hawkeye Siren 4
The operator stared at his screen, observing the data from the aircraft's constant radar sweeps. He'd been at this for 4 horus now and, as usual, nothing had happened. He was stiffling yet another yawn when the small track caught his eye. "OH S***!!!!."
Feeling all eyes in the cabin turning toward him, he quickly regained his composure. "We have missile launch at bearing 185, range 284 km, heading 027."
The cabin quickly came to life as everyone scrambled to confirm this.
"Launch confirmed. Source, Osa II, designated contact Sierra 4."
"Missile confirmed as SS-N-2, on intercept course with friendly cargo vessel. Impact in three, two, one . . . impact confirmed."
"Status of friendly vessel?"
"Unknown, but presumed destroyed."
"Can you confirm it."
The copilot, who had entered the cabin shortly before finally spoke up, saying "there's no need for that. We can see it from here."
"Oh my god."

--Transmission to Fleet Headquarters--
Confirmed destruction of civilian cargo vessel by Ghost Bear missile boat at 13:47 local time, at coordinates . . .

I will just RP another nation under my current nation. I will defer to you to create a name and the basic stats, this is after all your story line.
Really, I'd rather not have to go through another nation. Including GBD, I have 9 that I decided could get involved, and it looks like I'm going to need ALL of them. At most, I will do the basic stats for the nation, but even then I'd need your preference on which nation's army you'd like it modeled after. The only real preference I have with this is that I'd like some to join the attackers. Too many defenders might spoil it.


protecting investments


((I think that is the best reason for me to get involved. Maybe I will have an embassy and a large group of people there when it is attacked. The attackers come in and unfortanatley kill my people and then I begin to get more involved. Sound good?))
That's fine.


OOC: Grimdale would be willing to become involved simply to protect people's basic rights and freedoms since that is one of the main tenents of my nation. You'll have everything I can throw into this fight. And that's a lot given that within two weeks everyone between 18-40 can be mobilized. And yes I do have a reasonible explination on how this works but it would take a long time to explain it. If you really have to know for the purposes of this RP, TG me and I'll try to dig up one of my old posts or something.

President Gabriel Jewell
Really, that's kind of close to "defending CSJ just because they're being attacked," but if you make an effort, I can accept it.



Okay, as I expected, things are getting a little out of hand with choices, but much faster than I anticipated, so I will reiterate. I cannot have everyone helping Clan Smoke Jaguar. We need people to join with the Ghost Bear Dominion as well. If not, I'm going to have to deny any further applications very soon, as it's getting too skewed.

[OOC: Is anti-satellite weapons allowed here? But I won't shoot 293482394829 satellites down.

Also, for "what my military is modeled after":

Structure: American/Custom
Equipments: Mostly NATO, some Russian-based tech.]

[OOC: Is anti-satellite weapons allowed here? But I won't shoot 293482394829 satellites down.

Also, for "what my military is modeled after":

Structure: American/Custom
Equipments: Mostly NATO, some Russian-based tech.]
ASAT systems are quite real, and are allowed in moderation. But no, we're not going to blast hundreds of satellites out of the sky here. In fact, it might be in nations' best interests to avoid using them. CSJ has superior sub-orbital surveillance, and GBD or Clan Wolverine might decide to go after civilian satellites, or even space stations, if provoked.

As for the model for the military. I was just asking Valinon, who was asking me to make up one, what was desired.

OOC: Grimdale would be willing to become involved simply to protect people's basic rights and freedoms since that is one of the main tenents of my nation. You'll have everything I can throw into this fight. And that's a lot given that within two weeks everyone between 18-40 can be mobilized. And yes I do have a reasonible explination on how this works but it would take a long time to explain it. If you really have to know for the purposes of this RP, TG me and I'll try to dig up one of my old posts or something.

President Gabriel Jewell
Really, that's kind of close to "defending CSJ just because they're being attacked," but if you make an effort, I can accept it.


I actually picked the NATO force because much of our equipment is standardized to work with NATO equippment and muntions since we are part of the NATO organization within our region.

Well, at the current rate, all my other nations (well, at least the ones I'll admit are mine :wink: ) will join the Ghost Bear Dominion, and as all of them use NATO tech, that logistics bit won't be as much of a problem as it could be.

Really, I'd prefer to have a few outsiders go against me. It will not only lighten the burden on me (I don't have anyone else to do the other nations), but give the RP more depth as well.

OOC:

*Sigh*

Another good RP opportunity dead, isn't it?

Apparently I TGed Smoke Jaguar some information on creating a nation and he never got back with me so I think we can stamp this dead.

Not quite dead. Just delayed.

OOC: Bookmark, also trying to think of a way for me to join the war against CSJ.

OOC: Well, I think it's about time I tried to get this back up. Unfortunately, my friend has had to drop out, so control of the Ghost Bear Dominion has reverted back to me (don't know anyone else I trust with it, well at least that I can get ahold of). On the plus side, that means that there isn't much to stop things, and it will be going much faster. On the negative, it means that I will not start the war without at least two players joining against CSJ.

IC:
Clan Smoke Jaguar's response to the incident was immediate. Within 2 minutes, the information had made its way to the Khan, and an emergency council session was held ten minutes later, using secure emergency lines for those officials that couldn't attend in person. Shortly thereafter, an official statement was made announcing the loss of a Smoke Jaguar vessel in local waters to a Ghost Bear missile boat, along with a statement condemning this action by the Ghost Bear Dominion.

Cardinal Forrestor’s Office, 2 hours after the incident
The Cardinal looked up as a man in a General’s uniform walked in.
“Well, Khan Kabrinski, what do we have on these Smoke Jaguar claims?”
“They appear to be true your grace. One of our patrol boats did indeed fire the missile. The investigators have only interviewed a few members of the crew, but they all confirm that the Captain fired without confirming the identity or location of the vessel. With the remains of the missile that they will most likely recover, and the location of the wreck, there’s no way we will be able to deny responsibility for this.”
“And the Smoke Jaguars?”
“They demand nothing less than full compensation and appropriate action taken against the parties responsible. This is, after all, an act of war.”
“hmph. They won’t be seeing any reparations from us. The captain of the vessel is another matter. I trust that he will receive an appropriate punishment.”
“Uh, about that sir.”
“Yes?”
“The captain of the patrol boat is your nephew.”
“What? David?!?”
“Yes your grace.”
“Well, we can’t go punishing him. Do we have any other options?”
“We can claim that it was the actions of one of the other crew members, or that it was a misfire. But the Smoke Jaguars will see right through that, and we’d have to give them something to prevent retaliation.”
“hmmm. Very well, compensate them for the ship, but nothing else. We will give nothing for the crew or cargo.”
“Very well, your grace.”
“And keep me informed of any future developments. I don’t want this to get out of hand.”
“As you wish.”
As the Khan walked out the door, and to the follow-up council session, the Cardinal laid back in his chair thinking. This was very serious, and would most likely only get worse. Hopefully more so for the Jaguars than the Dominion.

Khan Furey's Chambers, After official Ghost Bear statement
"They WHAT!?!"
"Well, ma'am, they claim that this was an accidental firing, and that it was only by sheer chance that the missile found a target."
"That's utter bullsh*t. They can't honestly expect us to believe that."
"Obviously not, but the captain of the vessel is Lieutenant David Forrestor, the Cardinal's nephew."
"Ahh, so I see. Well, I trust they're giving us something."
"Well, they're offering to pay the cost of the ship, but refuse to pay any reparations for the crew or cargo."
"hmph. I don't think that's going to fly."
"Nor do I. The ambassador has already been instructed to accept no less than payment for the ship, crew, and cargo."
"And if they don't, they can expect a retatiation."
"Yes."
"Very well. We'll see how this goes."
"That we will ma'am."

OOC: Good.

IC:

Press Building, Omzian State Administration Bureau Headquarters
4:59PM OCST, 100 Red Revolution Way, Osaria Downtown

A group of Omzian Socialist Party officials, with security guards and military officers, can be seen in this "press-conference". The red background has a giant yellow star, and a portrait of the deceased Omzian Premier Oma Zee. The bottom of the bright star, shining the brillant lights, reads: Ds vu hea kongras. For the Omzian People's Republic.

Hans Dlu, the spokesman for the Foreign Affairs ministry, stodd up from a row of chairs. Cameras can be seen, with reporters. Dlu, with his "Omzian Socialist" badge on his chest, and a blue tie, stood behind the podium.

A voice appeared: The Omzian Foreign Affairs Press Reelase has Begin.

The man, finally, cleared his voice, and said slowly in a slightly accented English:

"Welcome to the press conference, comrades. Recently, we are aware that a Free Land of Clan Smoke Jaguar civilian vessel is hit by a cruise missile, as it is already on the news. From what the Clan Smoke aguar government said, the cruise missile belongs to the nation of Ghost Bear Dominion, as the Holy Republic of Ghost Bear Dominion has already confirmed this. The missile is reportly fired from a Ghost BEar Dominion Military Missile Watercraft, belonging to the Navy. The Omzian Administration and the Military Administration are well aware of this, and this is why we are here.

The Omzian Democratic Republic Councils Administration, the Omzian Socialist Party Administration, and the Omzian People's Liberation Forces Command has expressed its condolences for the crews of this civilian vessel, reportly carrying military-grade munitions. Also, from our 'sources', it appears that the Holy Republic of Ghost Bear Dominion claims this is an accident firing, although it might be false. Most of our military analysts rules out this so-called 'misfiring', and we do agree that this is absolutely... garbage.

We announce our condemnation on the Holy Republic of Ghost Bear Dominion on this so-called 'misfiring' on a civilian vessel. We hope to see Ghost Bear Dominion clear this up, and pay reparation soon.

Thank you for your time, reporters."

Suddenly, he quickly took a stride off the podium, and walked towards the curtains.

Ghost Bear Dominion Official Statement
The Ghost Bear Dominion has already admitted responsibility for this incident, and has agreed to pay full reparations for the cost of the vessel. Despite this, the leaders of Clan Smoke Jaguar insist that we pay even more to appease their own greed, and are even calling in their allies to back them up. Well, we of the Holy Republic of Ghost Bear Dominion will not stand for this extortion, and will not pay any more than what we have already promised, which is far more than we're required to, and we condemn the Free Land of Clan Smoke Jaguar for trying to weasel a profit out of this unfortunate incident.

Clan Smoke Jaguar Statement
We of Clan Smoke Jagaur desire nothing more than to be compensated for the full losses suffered in this incident. The vessel itself was only a fraction of the loss. What about the cargo? Or more importantly, the human lives that were lost? We owe it to the families of the victims and the people who slaved away in the factories to request compensation for these losses, yet the Ghost Bear Dominion refuses to accept these, and in addition, has taken no action against the parties responsible for this incident. We find their attitude toward this very disturbing, and will state once again that we will accept nothing less than full compensation for the losses suffered.

Official Statement
The Holy Empire of Ghost Bear Dominion is greatly concerned by Clan Smoke Jaguar's stance on this issue, but maintain that this was an accident, and that measures are being taken to prevent incidents like this in the future. However, in the interests of peace, we would like to invite representatives from Clan Smoke Jaguar to negotiate a conclusion to this meaningless quarrel.

Open Negotiations
The Smoke Jaguar representative took a breif survey of the room and its occupants, especially the his Ghost Bear counterpart. He had no illusions that this would amount to much. It looked more like it was a calculated attempt to sway world opinion against Smoke Jaguar. After all, since the Ghost Bear Dominion initiated these proceedings, any failure would be percieved as being Clan Smoke Jaguar's fault. "Oh well," he thought, "I just have to do my job."
He then cleared his throat, and began his opening statement. "Clan Smoke Jaguar is deeply troubled by this failure of the Ghost Bear Dominion to accept their responsibilities in this incident, and will state once again that we will accept nothing short of full compensation for the losses inflicted on the people and government of Clan Smoke Jaguar. Furthermore . . . "