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Please come in and negotiate... it doesn't have to be this way... at least state your demands/wishes and we can see if diplomacy can resolve this. If they cannot be resolved then you're not losing anything!

Please come in and negotiate... it doesn't have to be this way... at least state your demands/wishes and we can see if diplomacy can resolve this. If they cannot be resolved then you're not losing anything!

We were a free and democratic nation until we were unjustly invaded by RF's ally Communist Poland. We were then under Polish occupation until Whittier liberated us. But just when CP was defeated, Russian Forces invaded with the intent to illegally annex our whole country.
We were afraid they would do this. We even saw their thread stating this was their intention.
RF even said he was just waiting for CP to destroy my military so he could invade and impose communist dictatorship on a freedom and peaceloving people.
We need help from any willing to give it. We are surrounded by hostile nations all of whom have desires of annexing our nation.

Esamopian Foreign Minister:

"Order, order! Thank you W. Ukraine for your statement, however this is not a forum for you to get help against the invasion but merely a place where you and RF can realistically discuss the situation. We now await a statement from RF."

FM continues:

"We are still awaiting a statement by the RF. In the mean time, we would like to ask West Ukraine if/what (if anything) it would offer to the RF in exchange for a cease-fire or peace treaty."

the Ukraine became part of Russia by a legal vote in the Ukraine. We won and then it became part of us. Then once there was a rebellion which was soon wiped out. Then again when Russia had a revolution they declared independence and we lost western Ukraine. We now want it back.

"We thank RF for its statement. We now ask you, if there would be anything short of complete annexation of W.Ukraine that RF would accept in exchange for cooperation of West Ukraine?"

FM continues:

"We are still awaiting a statement by the RF. In the mean time, we would like to ask West Ukraine if/what (if anything) it would offer to the RF in exchange for a cease-fire or peace treaty."
A peace treaty. A permanent peace treaty. Mutual recognition of our shared boundary. A free trade agreement. A treaty for common defense.
Cooperation in crime fighting. But only if they withdraw and accept our right to exist as an independent democratic and capitalist nation.

"We also ask West Ukraine for details regarding the vote that RF is referring to. Has there been some sort of referrendum granting the Ukraine to RF and is this all simply a rebellion (an internal matter for which Esamopia would not get involved in?)"

FM continues:

"We are still awaiting a statement by the RF. In the mean time, we would like to ask West Ukraine if/what (if anything) it would offer to the RF in exchange for a cease-fire or peace treaty."
A peace treaty. A permanent peace treaty. Mutual recognition of our shared boundary. A free trade agreement. A treaty for common defense.
Cooperation in crime fighting. But only if they withdraw and accept our right to exist as an independent democratic and capitalist nation.

"Seeing as there is overwhelming force being waged against West Ukraine as well as the question of previous ownership of this region to RF, would the West Ukranian delegation accept vassilization under RF soverignty if it is granted autonomy? Would the RF agree to halt combat operations and sign a peace treaty incorporating the West Ukraine to the RF in exchange for the RF granting autonomy to the West Ukrainian region?"

There were several such votes. But on the last one, the West Ukrainian people voted overwhelmingly for independence due to the mass persecution of civilians by the RF government. When we held the referendum on unification, RF left out its intentions to suppress our people.
So our people were upset and demanded a restoration of independence, A vote was held but quashed by the Russian Military where Russia ordered the execution of all citizens participating in that poll.
A year later we held another referendum, months before this revolution RF speaks of, RF said nothing. And we were recognized by over 150 nations.
We were forced at first to stage ambushes on the Russian troops but they soon left. But now that communists have retaken their country, the same commies now want to reimpose communism on West Ukraine against the will of the Ukrainian people.

all we want is to bring it under our regime.

"Ok, does RF dispute the W. Ukraine interpretation of the referendum question? Also, how do both sides feel regarding the vassilization issue?"

FM continues:

"We are still awaiting a statement by the RF. In the mean time, we would like to ask West Ukraine if/what (if anything) it would offer to the RF in exchange for a cease-fire or peace treaty."
A peace treaty. A permanent peace treaty. Mutual recognition of our shared boundary. A free trade agreement. A treaty for common defense.
Cooperation in crime fighting. But only if they withdraw and accept our right to exist as an independent democratic and capitalist nation.

"Seeing as there is overwhelming force being waged against West Ukraine as well as the question of previous ownership of this region to RF, would the West Ukranian delegation accept vassilization under RF soverignty if it is granted autonomy? Would the RF agree to halt combat operations and sign a peace treaty incorporating the West Ukraine to the RF in exchange for the RF granting autonomy to the West Ukrainian region?"

Such a thing is possible but only as far as needed for cooperation in matters of international relations with the regions other nations.
But we must be allowed independence in the areas of:
being allowed to retain our democratic and capitalist government (a hong kong/china type of relationship), economic affairs, and internal affairs.

These negotitations are ireelevant. the Western Ukraine will be a rogue state.

"Ok, does RF dispute the W. Ukraine interpretation of the referendum question? Also, how do both sides feel regarding the vassilization issue?"
West Ukraine will be no ones vassal. We serve no masters. All humans are created equal and are endowed by their creator with unalianable rights which even the government cannot legally take away.

"Seeing as RF states that they only desire the incorporation of West Ukraine as part of their regime, and that West Ukraine would accept RF soverignty as long as it is granted autonomy in the areas outlined by its delegation, can we have a cease-fire and a tentative agreement?"

Only if we have international guarantees that the international community will protect us from Russian oppression.
We will require the dispatch of international peacekeepers to our land, from nations other than RF. To ensure he keeps his end of the bargain. We do not trust him.

No! Western Ukraine will fall so quickly. I can not let the men i have already sent in die in vain.

"Ok, does RF dispute the W. Ukraine interpretation of the referendum question? Also, how do both sides feel regarding the vassilization issue?"
West Ukraine will be no ones vassal. We serve no masters. All humans are created equal and are endowed by their creator with unalianable rights which even the government cannot legally take away.

The use of the term vassilization was too harsh and not what the foreign office intended, we apologize.

Esamopia sees that the two views of RF and W.Ukraine are compatible, West Ukraine appears to be willing to yield territorial control to RF as long as it gains autonomy in the areas it has already described, and RF stated that it only wishes territorial control over West Ukraine (as far as I can tell,) so can we have a 24-cease fire and a tentative endorsement for a treaty in which RF would annex West Ukraine but grant it autonomy in the areas West Ukraine suggested?

No! Western Ukraine will fall so quickly. I can not let the men i have already sent in die in vain.

See for youself. From his own lips he says he never intended to negotiate in good faith. At this very minute his troops are dropping mustard gas on the defenseless civilians of Kiev.

The Macabean government has released a task force of 200,000 men under RF's approval to undersee the occupation. Although armed these troops cannot fire at any other troops and can be "kicked out" under orders of W. Ukraine.

WE appreciate the cooperation of The Macabees and would endorse their occupation as of West Ukranian territory with the status of international peacekeepers if this negotiation is approved.

As to the main question?!!! Do we have an agreement?

"Ok, does RF dispute the W. Ukraine interpretation of the referendum question? Also, how do both sides feel regarding the vassilization issue?"
West Ukraine will be no ones vassal. We serve no masters. All humans are created equal and are endowed by their creator with unalianable rights which even the government cannot legally take away.

The use of the term vassilization was too harsh and not what the foreign office intended, we apologize.

Esamopia sees that the two views of RF and W.Ukraine are compatible, West Ukraine appears to be willing to yield territorial control to RF as long as it gains autonomy in the areas it has already described, and RF stated that it only wishes territorial control over West Ukraine (as far as I can tell,) so can we have a 24-cease fire and a tentative endorsement for a treaty in which RF would annex West Ukraine but grant it autonomy in the areas West Ukraine suggested?
We will need a referendum observed by international moniters and we require the deployment of a large and significant force of international peacekeepers to our land to ensure RF keeps his word.
We also want the right to declare independence if he breaks it.

The Macabean government has released a task force of 200,000 men under RF's approval to undersee the occupation. Although armed these troops cannot fire at any other troops and can be "kicked out" under orders of W. Ukraine.
We will accept the Macabbees peacekeeping troops. But more troops from more nations is required before we will feel secure enough to accept this proposal.

i thought xerlox was the one that "liberated" west ukraine??? :o

The Republic of Dworniev will also send 200,000 peacekeepers. We will be under the same orders and status as the Macabeean peacekeepers.

The Republic of Dworniev will also send 200,000 peacekeepers. We will be under the same orders and status as the Macabeean peacekeepers.
West Ukraine accepts your offer.

[quote="Esamopia"][quote="WestUkraine"][quote=Esamopia]"
We will need a referendum observed by international moniters and we require the deployment of a large and significant force of international peacekeepers to our land to ensure RF keeps his word.
We also want the right to declare independence if he breaks it.

Esamopia is unsure for what purpose a referendum would be held... as to the forces 200,000 have already been volunteered by The Macabees and Esamopia is willing to send an additional 200,000 lightly armed peacekeepers with the consent of both nations. As to the right for independence, we can only say that if negotiations fail, then there wont be any need to declare independence since the outcome will be a return to war anyway.

Please explain the purpose for the referendum and indicate the leadership's stance on the agreement (of getting autonomy but being part of RF.) As for the RF, please indicate your stance on the issue (of getting West Ukraine but giving them autonomy in areas already outlined.)

i thought xerlox was the one that "liberated" west ukraine??? :o
It was ignored cause of ooc dispute between him and CP that was ruining the rp. I recognized Whittier's rp cause Whittier didn't godmode and didn't resort calling names or counter calling names and such. Unlike those two did.

i thought xerlox was the one that "liberated" west ukraine??? :o
It was ignored cause of ooc dispute between him and CP that was ruining the rp. I recognized Whittier's rp cause Whittier didn't godmode and didn't resort calling names or counter calling names and such. Unlike those two did.
Compare his rp to that of both CP and Xerlox. How many other NS players do you see that rp that their attack on one nation results in the breakup of their country into a bunch of smaller ones. So far he is the only I've seen that has done this type of RP. Apparently, he doesn't seem to mind losing this debate to RF. Another sign that he is a good rper.

"ORDER! ORDER!!"

"We have come to the critical moment. With Dworniev's additional pledge of 200,000 troops (pending RF's approval,) and Esamopia's pledge (pending RF and WU approval,) we can have 600,000 troops on the ground to insure agreement with the treaty, IF it is agreed to."

"We will no longer recognize any posts, unless they are by RF or West Ukraine, and unless they answer the question of whether or not they would accept the agreement, in which West Ukraine becomes part of RF territory but would be granted autonomy in the fields outlined earlier."

"WE request an answer at this time."

[quote="Esamopia"][quote=WestUkraine][quote=Esamopia]"
We will need a referendum observed by international moniters and we require the deployment of a large and significant force of international peacekeepers to our land to ensure RF keeps his word.
We also want the right to declare independence if he breaks it.

Esamopia is unsure for what purpose a referendum would be held... as to the forces 200,000 have already been volunteered by The Macabees and Esamopia is willing to send an additional 200,000 lightly armed peacekeepers with the consent of both nations. As to the right for independence, we can only say that if negotiations fail, then there wont be any need to declare independence since the outcome will be a return to war anyway.

Please explain the purpose for the referendum and indicate the leadership's stance on the agreement (of getting autonomy but being part of RF.) As for the RF, please indicate your stance on the issue (of getting West Ukraine but giving them autonomy in areas already outlined.)
I am responsible directly to the Ukrainian people and I cannot sign this agreement unless they give me permission to sign it. This is done through a referendum.

"ORDER! ORDER!!"

"We have come to the critical moment. With Dworniev's additional pledge of 200,000 troops (pending RF's approval,) and Esamopia's pledge (pending RF and WU approval,) we can have 600,000 troops on the ground to insure agreement with the treaty, IF it is agreed to."

"We will no longer recognize any posts, unless they are by RF or West Ukraine, and unless they answer the question of whether or not they would accept the agreement, in which West Ukraine becomes part of RF territory but would be granted autonomy in the fields outlined earlier."

"WE request an answer at this time."

It must be ratified by the Ukrainian people first but I am willing to accept it.

"We understand the need for such a referendum, however the question is whether you would give TENTATIVE agreement and if you would ENDORSE it. If you do not have the power for such basic action, then we cannot negotiate with the West Ukranian side, unfortunately, and thus all negotiation would have to be adjourned indefinitely."

"We understand the need for such a referendum, however the question is whether you would give TENTATIVE agreement and if you would ENDORSE it. If you do not have the power for such basic action, then we cannot negotiate with the West Ukranian side, unfortunately, and thus all negotiation would have to be adjourned indefinitely."
I would support it.

Esamopia recognizes Western Ukraine's acceptance of the tentative agreement, we now await a decision by RF in order to conclude the first phase of negotiations.

We await RF's approval or rejection of the tentative agreement.

We Reject. Ukraine is ours.

We are clearly dismayed by this response... RF could have had all they wanted, virtual control of West Ukraine but allowing them some autonomy in areas already listed... it would have been a best-case scenario... I urge RF to reconsider since it appears to be getting everything it wants from the tentative agreement.

Failing any reconsiderations, we will consider the peace talks at an end, however we remain optimistic that RF will change its mind.

We Reject. Ukraine is ours.

Further talks are futile. RF was never negotiating in good faith.
This agreement is meaningless because RF will not abide by it.

OOC: i really never seen an autonomy being granted by communist countries to a part of their nation... :)

it wouldn't matter. Soon the Western Ukrainian leader will be in exile.

OOC: i really never seen an autonomy being granted by communist countries to a part of their nation... :)

Ha... how about Hong Kong?!!!

IC: We are disappointed that both sides could not come to an agreement and hereby declare that all peace negotiations have come to an end. We wish your poor soldiers the greatest safety and hope that RF will not regret its rejection of fairly generous terms.

OOC: i really never seen an autonomy being granted by communist countries to a part of their nation... :)

ooc:China and the Russian Federation.

OOC: from what i remember, Hongkong was taken by the British by being a little bit creative and quick to grasp opportunities by taking part in the Boxer Rebellion in China i think...(from what i also remember, hongkong was given as a part of reparation of China to countries that has foreign investments at that time that has been affected -militarily- by the said rebellion)

russian federation? what place/nation/state did they give an autonomy? Chechens?

OOC: yeah... I'm not sure about the china/russian fed thing, but Hong Kong is currently part of China, but the Chineese govt. has promised to protect the democracy that it had while under British control (although some of these rights are slowly receeding...) So its a good example of a democracy within the communist people's republic.

We're are also dismayed upon the Russian Forces and you can gaurantee that we will frown upon your every move.

Not chechnya though they originally had this status before they rebelled.
There are several autonomous republics inside Russia one of which is siberia. Forgot what the other ones were called.