proposal against same sex marriage
Below is a proposal i have and would like your endorcement or othe regional delagets yoou know to endorce it.
It is Called "No to same sex marriage"
I belive marriage should only be the union of a man and a woman. not two people of the same sex.
Even the Bible goes against same sex marriages.
"If marriage is a union between two persons who love each other - that's the new definition, without the allusion to sex - where does the notion stop? Will you recognize the marriage between a father and his daughter? Between a brother and his sister? Or two brothers or two sisters? . . . It's very dangerous because we don't know the consequences."
For the right joining in marriage is the work of the Lord only, and not the priests or magistrates; for it is God's ordinance and not Man's; and therefore Friends cannot consent that they should join them together; for we marry none; it is the Lord's work, and we are but witnesses.
George Fox (1669)
Euroslavia
19-09-2003, 19:04
i couldn't agree with you more. Props on the proposal, i will try and spread it.
Agreed.
But then, there are some nations were it is legal to be married to your kitten :)
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Autonomous City-states
19-09-2003, 19:31
This proposal is in flagrant opposition to the natural rights of human, sentient beings. Marriage is a social institution and, in the Federation, the government has no perview over it. Then again, married couples do not get any special benefits or penalties over unmarried couples or single people. It is up to the individual to state whom his heirs/beneficiaries are.
This proposal is in flagrant opposition to the natural rights of human, sentient beings. Marriage is a social institution and, in the Federation, the government has no perview over it. Then again, married couples do not get any special benefits or penalties over unmarried couples or single people. It is up to the individual to state whom his heirs/beneficiaries are.Who cares about natural rights? Everyone has a natural right to kill, because they can. Does that mean they should be allowed to? Homosexuals are disgusting creatures.
"Homosexuals are disgusting creatures."
That is just wrong. Simply wrong. Not to mention homophobic. They are humans too. Being homosexual doesn't make them non-human, it just doesn't. This proposition disgusts me an cannot, must not be accepted.
Johnistan
19-09-2003, 19:48
Homosexuals aren't disgusting, they're just weird.
Weird? It isn't weird. It's a fact. Live with it, or most of society will hate you. Marriage is the choice of those who are to marry.
"Homosexuals are disgusting creatures."
That is just wrong. Simply wrong. Not to mention homophobic. They are humans too. Being homosexual doesn't make them non-human, it just doesn't. This proposition disgusts me an cannot, must not be accepted.I didn't say they were inhuman. I said they were digusting. There are plenty of disgusting humans out there.
Weird? It isn't weird. It's a fact. Live with it, or most of society will hate you. Marriage is the choice of those who are to marry."society"... hah hah hah. Society is what you make of it.
Johnistan
19-09-2003, 19:50
I suppose Jews are disgusting too?
I suppose Jews are disgusting too?Nope, Jews are cool. :) They just got a few problems... but most of us do :)
Johnistan
19-09-2003, 19:52
You're not a total Nazi, thats good.
Autonomous City-states
19-09-2003, 19:53
Who cares about natural rights? Everyone has a natural right to kill, because they can. Does that mean they should be allowed to? Homosexuals are disgusting creatures.
Incorrect. Natural rights do not extend to violating the rights of others, which murder is an example of. You are confusing the ability to do something with the right to do something.
Homosexuality occurs naturally in non-sentient animals and sentient animals alike. As long as a homosexual relationship is consentual by all involved parties, there isn't anything wrong with it... no more so than a consentual heterosexual relationship.
Who cares about natural rights? Everyone has a natural right to kill, because they can. Does that mean they should be allowed to? Homosexuals are disgusting creatures.
Incorrect. Natural rights do not extend to violating the rights of others, which murder is an example of. You are confusing the ability to do something with the right to do something.
Homosexuality occurs naturally in non-sentient animals and sentient animals alike. As long as a homosexual relationship is consentual by all involved parties, there isn't anything wrong with it... no more so than a consentual heterosexual relationship.lol "there isn't anything wrong with it" in whose eyes? :) I'm sorry, but just because you have one view on life doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. :)
Autonomous City-states
19-09-2003, 20:16
lol "there isn't anything wrong with it" in whose eyes? :) I'm sorry, but just because you have one view on life doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. :)
Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop trying to use the force of law to push your beliefs on others.
lol "there isn't anything wrong with it" in whose eyes? :) I'm sorry, but just because you have one view on life doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. :)
Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop trying to use the force of law to push your beliefs on others.Right, yeah. Well, if you read the proposal, we're not lynching gays or telling them to break up on site. We are just saying they can't be married. Why? because some people take Marriage seriously. It's not just a Federal institution, it should never be treated like that. It's a sacred rite. If you want to hold nothing sacred, then fine, whatever. But we might want to :) We don't let homosexuals marry for the same reason we don't allow a devil worshipper to preach a sermon a church ;)
You hu-mans and your biological imperatives. Tsk tsk. So what if two members of the same sex want to marry? Are you in that relationship with them? Do you even associate with those that want to marry?
In the words of the neighbor who was caught marrying his house pet, "Mind your own damn business, you nosy git!"
Marriage is a misuse of power.
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Fact: Each country can make their own marriage laws.
Opinion: The UN shouldn't be bothered with this.
Fact: People bigoted against homosexuals are more likely to be racist or genocidal.
Opinion: This is not the business of governments.
Euroslavia
19-09-2003, 21:06
you see, homosexuality isn't normal. its a defect in the society of this terrible world. There is no gene for homosexuality.
Fact: Each country can make their own marriage laws.
Opinion: The UN shouldn't be bothered with this.
Fact: People bigoted against homosexuals are more likely to be racist or genocidal.
Opinion: This is not the business of governments.Fact 2 is not a fact. I am bigotted against homosexuals, as are many of my friends, but we're not racist. I'd never make fun of someone's lineage or the way they were born. That's just the same as making fun of a special ed kid. But if I want to make fun of someone who is gay, or dresses slutty, or sleeps around, that's my right. :)
I always see these arguements as redundent.
If two gay people get married so what, that gene doesnt pass on (there gay) any ways its just a life style. if they what to preach you should be gay. then they intrude on your freedom.
If they go to some one else to use there genes to have a kid. they prove its not in the genes to be gay. just a life style.
on the other side. I f there was god he would meet me on the road to Damascus not send wierdo cult fanatics to try and get you in to heaven.
or speak of after lifes and And Karmic debt collectors.
Now I have every body against me......... I ve learned more about life from paying attention to my kids.... Pass on skills I have aquired so they can adapt to real life... and enjoy them while they are still young.
they will make there decisions wether I like them or not
Skittletopia
19-09-2003, 21:47
Why not offer a governmental union of paper not ordained by the church?
Goobergunchia
19-09-2003, 21:56
Goobergunchia
19-09-2003, 22:00
modalert
Wrong forum, plus there's already a thread about this in the UN forum.
OOC: This isn't the wrong forum. Because it isn't a UN proposal, He's just stating a proposal from his own nation... and this is IC :)
IC: I agree with Skittletopia. What is the point of marriage if it's not a religious matter? All it is is a paper saying person a and person b are semi-permanently hooked up :)
some of us dont care about the UN :roll:
Goobergunchia
19-09-2003, 22:11
OOC: This isn't the wrong forum. Because it isn't a UN proposal, He's just stating a proposal from his own nation... and this is IC :)
IC: I agree with Skittletopia. What is the point of marriage if it's not a religious matter? All it is is a paper saying person a and person b are semi-permanently hooked up :)
[ooc: You're wrong. Do a proposal search in the UN for it.]
OOC: This isn't the wrong forum. Because it isn't a UN proposal, He's just stating a proposal from his own nation... and this is IC :)
IC: I agree with Skittletopia. What is the point of marriage if it's not a religious matter? All it is is a paper saying person a and person b are semi-permanently hooked up :)
[ooc: You're wrong. Do a proposal search in the UN for it.]oops, you are right. Well, it SHOULD be a national proposal, not a UN proposal :P
Cogitation
20-09-2003, 01:27
Goobergunchia is correct: This belongs in the UN forum.
There is already a topic about this in the UN forum, hence, iLock.
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