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Kormanthor proudly presents its Newest Naval Vessel, the Supercaviting Attack Submarine. It will be unveiled very soon.
it is the technological wonder of modern naval warfare.

I liked the idea of the sub that uses hydro foils to go fast then submerges for stealth better.

That is still quite a lot slower and less practical than a supercav sub JSA.

Clairmont congratulates Kormanthor on this, supercavitating is the future of naval warfare and sea exploration, we are pleased to see others noticing that also.

We are quite interested in either purchase, or offering technical resources or backing collateral in the developement of this wonder of technology. We made many advances in the field of supercavitation when we were seeking alternate methods to the standard drilling method for oil/mineral deposits. We were never able however to fully enclose a rotating body in a cavitation bubble. Supercavitation on the tip though, proved to be the key in letting us drill deeper than 10,000 meters. If there is anything we could do to assist you, or perhaps even collaberate, we would be most pleased.

Supercavitation is a very effective way of getting extra speed in the water... but a few queries spring to mind.

1) Wouldn't its detection capacities be effectively crippled by the air/water barrier of the bubble and...

2) It its inside the bubble... what does the propellor in to make it go? It might have to be a rocket-propelled submarine or not fully cavitated (to use a propellor) and I'm not sure either works as a concept.

Very interesting, though... a genuine new concept on these forums.

OOC-

Several Eastern European nations have been working on supercavitation programs for the last 20 years. The Russians in particular came very close to perfecting a supercavitating torpedo. The biggest drawbacks were the angle of inclination the cavitation cap could rotate to, which in turn limited the degrees the body could turn without breaking the cavitation bubble. This limited it to straight shots. But honestly, with a torpedo that breaks 350+ knots, do you really need to worry about that. Not much that could dodge that on a long shot.
From a military standpoint, there are significant challenges posed to using supercavitation in ANY sort of stealth environment. Naval research has spent the last 80 years trying to bypass the problem of any cavitation whatsoever. an air bubble underwater is a sub skippers worst nightmare. While there are fascinating ways supercavitation can be used, I find it doubtful that the military would use it for anything other than extremely high speed torpedo and missile launches. Being able to launch an ICBM from 600 feet underwater would be a very attractive concept. I think it more likely that military technology will embrace magnetic impulse or a water pulse propulsion system drive by a massive peristaltic pump much like the kind used in heart/lung machines. (the fluid flows through a tube, and rollers mounted at different intervals on a rotating disk are made to contact the outside of the tube, providing a closed circuit pumping system) What military technology could draw from this, would be a superquiet, water pulse engine.

What would you all say to us forming a Naval Technology Research Corporation that would develop leading edge naval power solutions and then sell them? If there are four people that have posted to this thread that know what supercavitation, then I'd bet we could make some pretty interesting concepts back in character.

Form a Corporation back in character I should have added :oops: :oops:

The Federation of Autonomous City-states and the Kingdom of McLeod03 have been working together on supercavitating weapons technology and magnetohydrodynamic propulsion systems for quite some time now.

Federation scientists are encouraged to see that other nations have taken notice of the possibilities these revolutionary systems possess and would be more than willing to collaborate... given the participatory nations have at least a basic capitalist economy and a government mindful of individual rights.

Supercavitation is a very effective way of getting extra speed in the water... but a few queries spring to mind.

1) Wouldn't its detection capacities be effectively crippled by the air/water barrier of the bubble and...

2) It its inside the bubble... what does the propellor in to make it go? It might have to be a rocket-propelled submarine or not fully cavitated (to use a propellor) and I'm not sure either works as a concept.

Very interesting, though... a genuine new concept on these forums.

While the main thrust comes from rocket propulsion in the Shkval supercavitating torpedo, small struts can be deployed that penetrate just outside the bubble and have maneuvering jets in them.

At www.deepangel.com the problem of creating a bubble around large supercavitating ships is dealt with by the use of transducers to artificially induce a bubble around the submarine. Hydrogen rockets then provide the needed thrust.

The Federation of Autonomous City-states and the Kingdom of McLeod03 have been working together on supercavitating weapons technology and magnetohydrodynamic propulsion systems for quite some time now.

Federation scientists are encouraged to see that other nations have taken notice of the possibilities these revolutionary systems possess and would be more than willing to collaborate... given the participatory nations have at least a basic capitalist economy and a government mindful of individual rights.

IC:
Clairmont also has been in co-operation with McLeod03 in the past and the project spawned the first underwater supercavitating battlecarriers in the world. As a result of our co-operation, our navy is fully consisted of underwater craft these days. A good choice indeed as a partner in underwater development project.

OOC: Uroburos: You are referring to the Shkval I, the Shkval II is a perfected supercavitating torpedo, it goes over 400 knots AFAIK and is guided.
The benefits of supercavitating submarines are simply too humongous so that the concept could simply be abandoned. Guidance thru the bubble is possible and the lack of stealth does not mean a thing, heck if a sub can go 300 knots underwater, i think its a larger advantage than being stealthier. The speed offered by supercavitation would make submarine warfare a helluva lot different than it is now. You could have a fleet of subs at the other side of the world in merely a fraction of the time that it takes now. I still believe that tough we yet dont have answers to all of the problems regarding supercavitating submarines, the benefits of the concept will make it worthwhile to try and seek those answers.

While the Federation has elected to focus on developing supercavitating weapons and is, instead, advancing towards an all MHD-propelled, all submarine navy in our present OPFOR plan, we are glad to see another knowledgeable and like-minded friend in Clairmont. Perhaps your nation would be interested in joining the Transdynamics Consortium we have developed with McLeod to jointly research and develop advanced military systems.

( ICC : We are still studying supercavitating, we will
release our data soon.


( OCC : I am deeply involved in researching supercaviting on
internet sources. I will post more on our subs capabilities
as soon as I can get the info together. The fastest
type I have seen to date is 1.5 speed of sound /underwater.)

While the Federation has elected to focus on developing supercavitating weapons and is, instead, advancing towards an all MHD-propelled, all submarine navy in our present OPFOR plan, we are glad to see another knowledgeable and like-minded friend in Clairmont. Perhaps your nation would be interested in joining the Transdynamics Consortium we have developed with McLeod to jointly research and develop advanced military systems.


We would be interested in discussing the possiblities of doing that,
however, we would need to know what the TC's member rules are.

The Federation of Autonomous City-states and the Kingdom of McLeod03 have been working together on supercavitating weapons technology and magnetohydrodynamic propulsion systems for quite some time now.

Federation scientists are encouraged to see that other nations have taken notice of the possibilities these revolutionary systems possess and would be more than willing to collaborate... given the participatory nations have at least a basic capitalist economy and a government mindful of individual rights.

IC:
Clairmont also has been in co-operation with McLeod03 in the past and the project spawned the first underwater supercavitating battlecarriers in the world. As a result of our co-operation, our navy is fully consisted of underwater craft these days. A good choice indeed as a partner in underwater development project.

OOC: Uroburos: You are referring to the Shkval I, the Shkval II is a perfected supercavitating torpedo, it goes over 400 knots AFAIK and is guided.
The benefits of supercavitating submarines are simply too humongous so that the concept could simply be abandoned. Guidance thru the bubble is possible and the lack of stealth does not mean a thing, heck if a sub can go 300 knots underwater, i think its a larger advantage than being stealthier. The speed offered by supercavitation would make submarine warfare a helluva lot different than it is now. You could have a fleet of subs at the other side of the world in merely a fraction of the time that it takes now. I still believe that tough we yet dont have answers to all of the problems regarding supercavitating submarines, the benefits of the concept will make it worthwhile to try and seek those answers.


We would be most interested in your Guidance Technology, please
feel free to contact us via telegram about this.

We would like to be the first to put an order in. We would like
twelve of these submarines as soon as they become available.
We would order more, however until we know the costs of each
ship we will stick to just two.

A wonder, eh?

Supercavitation has been used in NS for...well...NS Centuries.

While the Federation has elected to focus on developing supercavitating weapons and is, instead, advancing towards an all MHD-propelled, all submarine navy in our present OPFOR plan, we are glad to see another knowledgeable and like-minded friend in Clairmont. Perhaps your nation would be interested in joining the Transdynamics Consortium we have developed with McLeod to jointly research and develop advanced military systems.


We would be interested in discussing the possiblities of doing that,
however, we would need to know what the TC's member rules are.

The Transdynamics Consortium operates according to standard business and contract rules. A participant benefits from the business venture according to what he or she puts into the project.

Protector Alexander is pleased to hear the offer from Autonomous City States, perhaps we could continue this discussion via telegram?

A wonder, eh?

Supercavitation has been used in NS for...well...NS Centuries.


If this is true then why are they not offered in NS storefronts?

We would like to be the first to put an order in. We would like
two of these submarines as soon as they become available.
We would order more, however until we know the costs of each
ship we will stick to just two.


Consider yourself on the list of interested buyers V.I.

I would like to purchase one vessel for research use. Is this acceptable? The money will be held in a numbered account until 0800 GMT + 1 13OCT03. I will telegram you with the confirmation number once you reply to me.

I would like to purchase one vessel for research use. Is this acceptable? The money will be held in a numbered account until 0800 GMT + 1 13OCT03. I will telegram you with the confirmation number once you reply to me.
OCC:
Please forgive me I work fulltime & attend college 3/4 to
full time in the Real World. Which leaves me with very limited time
to play NS. I haven't yet had time to finish my research into this
new science as soon as I do I will post it. I will be glad to discuss
sales at that time.

Thank You for your Interest