NationStates Jolt Archive

now, this is an occ for the participants in the NS wwII so odn't go spamming it ;)
Iansisle: trading nusheld back and forth is fine by me, with the non-existence of the eastern frotn w eneed a stalingrad-style urban battle...but i do hope i won't be seeing to many of the MPAF-7 for some time, not to mention the -8!*imagines V-bombers with F-100 escort beating up his flying corps while it's still largely piston-driven :cry: * so let me catch up, will you? ;)

(Heh, I don't mind throwing thousands of soldiers into a hopeless battle. Goes with my whole great-war thing.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about the MPAF-8 "Spirit". The only really scary thing about it is the weak radar set in the nose. The MPAF-8 is a long range fighter / bomber / bomber escort / torpedo plane / recon plane. It's driven by twin props to speed exceeding three hundred miles per hour! ;)

Let me know if I can contribute anything to the "Eastern Front" too. I wouldn't do much RPing of land battles, but I could give it a whirl.

Im probably really late, but I'd love to join in, I could be a small country like Romania or Greece or something of the sort.

(oh, and I forgot to mention - the -7 won't be entering service for some time, because of 'unforseen difficulties' manufacturing the massive jet engine it requires.

Artitsa: I don't know how open we'd be, but if we do take a new player, I'd reccomend you be Axis. Just because there are more effective allies (myself, Walmington, and Calarca) than there are axis (Chiang Mai, D.K.) Of course, no one person is involved in making the 'invitation', but if you're a decent/experianced RPer, if forsee few problems.)

I..will make my excuses here for to-night, and hope that DK doesn't mind if i don't update the Bismarck battle (i hope i don't try to update that) ..'cause.. oh lord, i'm tipsy.
friend and i spent all afternoon and evening trying to figure out how to get bowler hats back into fashion.

Heh. ugh.

OOC:
Hainan is still neutral, and being fairly democratic, will have to stay that way for now.

*tags it*

Thats why I suggest Romania, Romania was an axis country. I could always be Finland or some such.

Sounds alright, depending on RP ability, it gives one more country to track tho...

do you have any RP credentials?

i'd have no objections to Artitsa joining, europe's really far to distant from C.M. for me to feel a difference either way if a minor country jumped in anyway...i'll leave the call to WoS, DK and the rest fighting over there...AFAIK neither Finland or Romania were naval powers, and the land fihting isn't exactly intensive ,yet.

Well, I'm okay with a minor power being added, I suppose. I would worry that anything major would leave WoS with no way of putting up a fight against DK, Erco, and them combined, but as long as there's not going to be extra millions of Axis troops..
We may have The Trucial States as a secondary power in the middle east/north Africa, I suppose. I do wonder where the land war will be fought in the west. We have a German dominated continent and the islands of Britain, WoS and Ercolana, which don't leave much room for fighting short of a major invasion knocking one power out of the fight for good. Perhaps north Africa will see a war of attrition?

(Well, we should have some good land battles going as soon as Chiang Mai invaded Iansislean Gallaga. Given the complete lack of modern land technology by either side, we should see a rather interesting situation develop...WWI with modern aircraft, or WWII without tanks ( :?). Naturally, Galla-China will fall very rapidly, and Iansislean forces in Burma will be swept clean off the Golden Triange, either west into Gallaga proper or south into a Dunkirk-type situation.

Naturally, this will be thought well beyond the capacity of the 'primitive' Asians, which is why my only finished modern battleship is rushing off to the Atlantic to fight the 'real' enemy. Undauntable is still in Port Laughlin, though. Also, because Gallaga proper is thought to be out of Chiang Mai's reach, most flyers are based at Port Laughlin, rather than Nusheld.

So...eagerly waiting to be invaded! ;))

"Oh no, we don't need to erect fortifications against the Japanese, it'll only hurt moral..."
-Defending south east Asia the British way :oops:

OOC:
I gave Chiang T-34-85 tech... he..he..he. :twisted:.

"Oh no, we don't need to erect fortifications against the Japanese, it'll only hurt moral..."
-Defending south east Asia the British way :oops:

:twisted: I'd like to see them try and take Fort Trade, the name isn't too wrong, with Iansisle so close with Fort Manly and the Calarcian perchant for paranoia we have a F***g lot of emplacements, and 5 regiments of artillery massed around.


On the land battle side, I'm prodding Agriento/Ercolana in the Gallagan frontier in support of Trucial.
Not much, just enough to be felt. the main focus is on establishing air superiority. lots of planes are to be flowin into that arena from Calarca.
I'm waitin to get my Armoured cars crushed like the tin cans they are (designed to put down native rebelliations with rifles) so I have the impetus to design a proper tank. lol, twin 3500HP aero engines, 5" naval gun and some leftover cruiser armour plate..... German maus monster tank....

So am I Romania? if you need RP credientials I can give you the site to my regions forums and you can read my civil war turned international

(I'd like to see that, if you don't mind, but I believe the general consensus is that you are Romania, so long as it's handled sensibly.)

OOC:
I gave Chiang T-34-85 tech... he..he..he. :twisted:.he, given that WoS is exporting armor to Iansisle, tanks will eventually come into play....but by the time i mass-porduce the T-34s and Iansisle gets a sizeable tank force, we'll have had some nice infantry clashes ;)

incidentally, i'm starting the war here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73146).

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I gave Chiang T-34-85 tech... he..he..he. :twisted:.he, given that WoS is exporting armor to Iansisle, tanks will eventually come into play....but by the time i mass-porduce the T-34s and Iansisle gets a sizeable tank force, we'll have had some nice infantry clashes ;)
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Haha 6 pounder 57mm cruiser tanks against T-34-85's... and oh yeah if you bother making them SU-100's.

T-44 and Su-122 are coming....

hehe...i'll continue the offensive tomorrow, don't have 'nuff time today mefears....and of course,, all the WWII participants are invited ;)

hehe...i'll continue the offensive tomorrow, don't have 'nuff time today mefears....and of course,, all the WWII participants are invited ;)
Have fun with all those tanks you bought :twisted:

Actually can I be New Zealand.

Ah, but if, Hainan, you inexplicably pass all tank development through all history, what's to stop me jumping to an arbitrary point in British tank development? I can have Centurions rolling over you, taking every hit you throw, and firing back when i just and so happen to feel like KILLING EVER LAST ONE OF YOU. I like Chiang Mai a lot more than I do you.

He is reasonable, you are SHOT IN THE HEAD FROM OUT OF YR RANGE TO RETALIATE.

NZ? I don't know..Calarca is based on the north island, you see, and has an advanced western civ. Hm. There's about to be two fights..one in west Asia/n.Africa, and one in s/e Asia. I don't know what's best to..er..be..I'm..drunk..and..distracted..

Hmm... I want a country in that area though, I'll go check out a map.

Walmington- I sold him 1930's tanks, and gave him T-34-85 technology. If we exist in WW2, we have tanks from WW2 and some sitting around from the 1930's. T-34-85 is early 1943 tech.


T-44 is currently being worked on, but constant problems hamper development. In short, until we reach 1944, the transmission, suspension, or some other random thing is acting up.

How about Papua New Guinea? If anyone objects to me being Papua New Guinea, please say so.

How about Papua New Guinea? If anyone objects to me being Papua New Guinea, please say so.
...you want to be some natives with pointy sticks? :wink:

The pointest sticks around!

Actually Papua New Guinea have many natural resourses, so that would make for excellent Exporting trade allowing for more Military Hardware.

Im drunk
Yes, I see.

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And BTW, as soon as you develop the 17 pdr AT gun, T-34-85 is cannon fodder. An it has a pretty bad shot trap problem, too.

How about Papua New Guinea? If anyone objects to me being Papua New Guinea, please say so.

Hmm... about the same problem as with australia back in another thread, I've been colonising all around that area, same with Iansisle the notrhern bits of the archipelargo, and I've been ignoring PNG as too dificult due to hostile cannibal natives.
Theres never been any mention in any of the RPs we've had going about civilisation in PNG, so if you play PNG it would be pretty much pointy stick tech. Why not one of the south american states? I wouldn't mind a battle for the control of the Panama canal.

ooc:That's interesting. WoS has been involved in increasingly hostile anti-US posturing of late (we're a second Britain, IRL Britain would just as soon have annexed the US again if she'd had Walmington, Calarca, and Iansisle to fall back on and didn't need the ally.. so.. it seems reasonable) and the RWN has (top secret) plans for the capture of the Panama canal. An American front in the second world war?..

hmm... Perhaps I will be a neo country ontop of one of the South American Countries...

an american frotnt wouldn't be interesting.It took the USA over a year to get their army strong enough to participate in operation Torch, and even then their forces were so poorly trained that they were more hindrance than help to the Brits (like that american battery that rushed past prepared positions and into the German's hands...got wiped out beofre they could set up their guns, and many soldiers died trying to retake the lost howtizers)...so if you invaded them now, in less than a month they'd have been destoryed.

ooc:Exactly ;)
Mainwaring has been belittling them for months, refering to the states as "an over-grown pirates'-nest", but this newcomer might be playing a fictional..central? South? American nation.. perhaps a break-away Spanish/Portuguese colony? I wouldn't imagine they'd be a major power, but if they got into a fight the terrain might make them hard to beat.
In the somewhat unlikely event of Walmington annexing the US, I doubt I'd operate it as if it made me a great power-house over night- I'd keep it as the relative backwater much of it was, and the industrial no-body the whole thing was. It'd just make it easier to connect with Iansisle really. Might even be better that way, as it'd explain why America doesn't become a major power aligned against Germany, which DK really doesn't need right now.

ooc:That's interesting. WoS has been involved in increasingly hostile anti-US posturing of late (we're a second Britain, IRL Britain would just as soon have annexed the US again if she'd had Walmington, Calarca, and Iansisle to fall back on and didn't need the ally.. so.. it seems reasonable) and the RWN has (top secret) plans for the capture of the Panama canal. An American front in the second world war?..

Moral of the story, you need the U.S in RL...

Moral of the story; the US is damn lucky Iansisle and Calarca aren't real, or they'd have been destroyed generations ago..

Orrr, the US is lucky Britain's so nice, or else they might have been made into a super-Canada. Much more reliable ally.

(Okay, so this is covering up a damn double post!)

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So just asking, since Iansisle has 1944ish jets, should I downgrade my AFV's to 1941 tech level or not?


Anyway, BM-8 rockets are 1941 tech.

ooc: The rockets weren't used until later in the war though. Like the Russian Counter-offensive and after D-Day.

I don't know about you guys, but I would like to take this opportunity to see how the world would have reacted to some of the Germany's more "ambitious" (ie. CRAZY) ideas. I don't plan to adhere strictly to history for much longer.

I'll respond to enemy actions mainly, I think. Walmington is (evidently) not inclined to move all that quickly when left to her own devices. We have very good weapons lying around (the JFMkI Cricket is of note, and I want to design new tanks) but won't use them until someone's left us behind first.

(I'd just like to apologize for my near complete lack of participation of late. There's been a lot of ... stuff ... going on in NS, and it's been a pretty busy week. I should be able to get one or two really detailed posts up later tonight.)

I..erm. Hm.. there's a lot of new nations interested in getting involved in our time-line (which is good!), and I'm thinking we need to clarify exactly how far the war is going to spread. Do we? I mean.. should we get an official list of who is and isn't in, before it gets too crowded?

I hate to be very exclusive, and WoS will always be happy to interact with other 20s/30s/40s tech nations (as well as others)- but they don't all have to be in the one particular war, do they?

I just want us all to agree who does and does not need to be considered in the war- if WoS were to invade [censor] it might impact on nation Y without me meaning it to, blah blah..

Also I like the level of development a lot of us have, DK, WoS, Iansisle, Calarca, Ercolana, the Asian powers, we all have tech development in evidence, and I don't want new people jumping in with pictures of Spitfires and Churchills and Stukas or what not, y'know? It's quite fine by me if other nations use these things- I'd be happy even, but I don't want them appearing in the middle of our tech evolution in this war, does that make sense?

As I see it, WoS, Iansisle, Calarca, and probably The Trucial States, with non-player nations in Britain and more or less Canada are aligned against Der Kriegsmarine and Ercolana, with Chiang Mai and Hainan loosely attached to them, and Italy as a non-player Axis nation. Islandia is likely to get involved, I think? As a player with long-standing connections to some of the key nations involved already.. I'm not sure exactly how that'll work.. what're we doing with Japan? Would Islandia sort of..take Japan's place in the world? I dunno, it's not really Walmington's sphere of influence.

There are other nations looking to get involved, but with them being brand new, and having no established past or development, I'm not so sure jumping into the middle of a massive long running RP is a good idea..

Personally I'd be happy to RP with them on the side, and to get into a bigger RP with them later. I hope that doesn't make me seem controling or anything?

OOC:
I kinda jumped in on the scene when I was planning to RP a modern 3rd world backwater with T-34-85's.... then discovered the ww2 community. I'm assuming were 1940 or 1941 tech, well either way Maus Monster Tanks haven't been introduced (I hope). My tech development will veer off russian developments a bit, namely my use of high velocity 107mm guns on the upcoming KV-3 (early 1942ish) and maybe another multi-turreted heavy breakthrough tank. Yes, I'll build my own monster tanks, just a bit later in the war (BTW Hainan is neutral as of right now, only giving aid to CM).

And oh yeah, don't mind my nations description, Hainan is a puppet on Stalin's string.

Well, this is Artitsa's puppet, and if its alright with you, im "on top" of Peru.
Currently I stand as neutral, but I would Consider Hvan as aggressive. It has a western style culture, and relativly powerful compaired to some of the South American countries. I plan to attack Ecuador eventually :D

Hm, I suppose that doesn't hurt the main war RP directly. I don't imagine any of us are threatened by or a threat to Hvan at the moment.
If I were you (and I'm aware that I'm not- I'm a geek with too much time on his hands, it seems [sigh]) I'd relish the chance to get some development in- attacking Ecuador sounds like fun to me :) Let us see a bit of the tech tree that leads you to wherever you are when we meet! (please! Heh. Some of us keep sleeping through all the entertaining TV ;) )

Maus tanks, they'll be mine in about 12-20 more months in the RP, my tin can armoured cars are getting smashed by Ercolana/Agrigentos rocket launchers. I'm also thinking of bringing in the early 1941 british PIAT rocket and forming AT squads as part of the battalion level support units.
Things to do... lol.. the british made the Piat when they realised after Dunkirk they couldn't make enough tanks fast enough to stop a blitzgrieg, so they made their infantry AT troops. the german Bazooka followed soon after.

If the newbies have a small war of their own, we oldies can send "Military Advisors" to just stir them in the right directions and hone thier RP so they can join other wars/RPs later when they have the skills.

(I don't feel like switching to my puppet)
Well, basically I have my Carbine rifle
The FN-49
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/fn49_2.jpg

IRL it was a Belgian Rifle being developed right before the outbrake of war. The attack by Germany put the Rifle on hold untill after the war. I am using this rifle as if the plans were sent to Hvan for safe keeping or some such, where we proceded to develop the rifle.
Calibers: 7x57 mm, 7.65x57 mm, 7.92x57mm, .30-06 (7.62x63mm)
Action: Gas operated, tilting bolt
Overall length: 1116 mm
Barrel length: 590 mm
Weight: 4.31 kg
Magazine: 10 rounds, non-detachable

M3-1
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/usa/m36_03.jpg
This is the heavy tank that I will be devloping in several years time. There are no Specs as this tank doesn't exist so to speak.

The M1-1
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/britain/Valentine.jpg
This is Hvan's "Infantry Tank" or a Light tank. It has a 75mm Main Gun (final version, L/52) and a 7.92 Besa coaxial MG. The armour is as follows:
Armor Thickness (mm)
Hull Front, Upper 60, 30@68°
Hull Front, Lower 60@21°
Hull Sides, Upper 60
Hull Sides, Lower 60@0°
Hull Rear 60@0°
Hull Top 10-20
Hull Bottom 7-20
Turret Front 65@0°
Turret Sides 60@0°
Turret Rear 65
Turret Top 10-20

Speed:
Max Speed 15 mph, 24 kph
Cross Country 8 mph, 15 kph

The M2-1
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/britain/CrusierMkVIIIA27L.jpg
This is Hvans 'Next Generation' of Cruiser Tanks. Carrying a 75mm L/65 Main Gun, it could back quite the punch. Recent tests have begun on the Prototypes, but serious problems with the gear-weight ratio will prolong the development of the tank.
Max Speed 27 mph
Cross Country 16 mph

The D.520 Diamond Back
http://www.wikipedia.org/upload/9/98/D.520.jpg
This Fighter is currently in the design phase, Specs for this aircraft will appear later.

(I don't feel like switching to my puppet)
Well, basically I have my Carbine rifle
The FN-49
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/fn49_2.jpg

IRL it was a Belgian Rifle being developed right before the outbrake of war. The attack by Germany put the Rifle on hold untill after the war. I am using this rifle as if the plans were sent to Hvan for safe keeping or some such, where we proceded to develop the rifle.
Calibers: 7x57 mm, 7.65x57 mm, 7.92x57mm, .30-06 (7.62x63mm)
Action: Gas operated, tilting bolt
Overall length: 1116 mm
Barrel length: 590 mm
Weight: 4.31 kg
Magazine: 10 rounds, non-detachable

M3-1
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/usa/m36_03.jpg
This is the heavy tank that I will be devloping in several years time. There are no Specs as this tank doesn't exist so to speak.

The M1-1
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/britain/Valentine.jpg
This is Hvan's "Infantry Tank" or a Light tank. It has a 75mm Main Gun (final version, L/52) and a 7.92 Besa coaxial MG. The armour is as follows:
Armor Thickness (mm)
Hull Front, Upper 60, 30@68°
Hull Front, Lower 60@21°
Hull Sides, Upper 60
Hull Sides, Lower 60@0°
Hull Rear 60@0°
Hull Top 10-20
Hull Bottom 7-20
Turret Front 65@0°
Turret Sides 60@0°
Turret Rear 65
Turret Top 10-20

Speed:
Max Speed 15 mph, 24 kph
Cross Country 8 mph, 15 kph

The M2-1
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/britain/CrusierMkVIIIA27L.jpg
This is Hvans 'Next Generation' of Cruiser Tanks. Carrying a 75mm L/65 Main Gun, it could back quite the punch. Recent tests have begun on the Prototypes, but serious problems with the gear-weight ratio will prolong the development of the tank.
Max Speed 27 mph
Cross Country 16 mph

The D.520 Diamond Back
http://www.wikipedia.org/upload/9/98/D.520.jpg
This Fighter is currently in the design phase, Specs for this aircraft will appear later.

Orrr, the US is lucky Britain's so nice, or else they might have been made into a super-Canada. Much more reliable ally.

(Okay, so this is covering up a damn double post!)

Speaking of Canada... *Cough* Wannabe WWII player here. I don't suppose anyone's playing as the Canadians right now, are they? Personally, I'd love to...

If you need some kind of RP credentials, I could whip up an intro post for you

Mh, see this doesn't sit too well with me in the context of our current specific RP.. The infantry tank's sort of come out of nowhere, as far as this RP's concerned, and is the same as the latest in a long line of WoS infantry tanks, developed thanks in a large part to a long established relationship with the British.. only it has a 75mm gun ahead of anything the allies.. or anyone actually at war so far, mounts on their tanks. And the next gen. cruiser is akin to what WoS's fourth cruiser would have been like, once we've gone through finding out that the third one, which we're already up to after the second gen saw action months ago in Iansisles civil war, is obsolete against modern German/eastern armour.

Maybe I'm just bitter 'cause it's Walmington's tech-theatre that's being muscled in on, I dunno how others feel.

I might just be inclined to leave out a few steps so as not to look like so many other nations. Lots of X projects been waiting around since..uhm..when did WoS join NS? heh.

Anyhoo- as for Canada.. no one is playing Canada as such, but..Canada does exist in this world. Both Iansisle and WoS have referenced it before, and currently Walmington has thousands of troops in Canada (and tens of thousands shipping in) doing joint manouvers with the Canadians. Canada is currently acting as in real life, and backing up the British.

Walmingtonians spend a lot of holiday time in Canada [references Sir Talfryn Cheeseman's first call to the ANH ;) -he never did get that caribou shot he wanted.]

Maybe I'm just bitter 'cause it's Walmington's tech-theatre that's being muscled in on, I dunno how others feel.

(Don't worry, I know how you feel. Since Iansisle started out with roughly 1900 level technology, I've had to 'jump' a few eras - such as most of the interwar years - in order to keep up. And I'm certainly bitter that my Behemoth (II)-class - the final evolution of the Behemoth (I) - Diomedes (I) - King Ian I - Stalwart - Undauntable chain had to be rushed to counter a threat that appeared out of nowhere, then it turned out they'd only displace half what their likely opponent's would. I would have certainly liked to build one or two more Undauntables, and perhaps an intermediate step - sort of like a Nelson, only with a sensible turret layout...and two shafts...so, really, nothing at all like a Nelson. ;)

Gee whiz, now I'm rambling...*walks back to corner*)

Well, I've got two ideas I'm thinking of. Either I could take over as Prime Minister and start playing as the Canadians and begin a handful of independant operations while maintaining our support of the British. (The British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, for one.) I'd give my right leg to do that. (Well, someone's right leg, anyway. There are plenty of them around.)

Or, I could start playing as the Juneau Islands, a minor power and a new player in the war. Perhaps we could be situated in the Mediteranian (Sp? Probably wrong), or otherwise in the Pacific. *Lightbulb* Or, even, we could be in the mid-atlantic and enter into the war by offering to help protect British convoys from air and naval bases on our islands. I like this later idea the best of any of the Juneau Islands concepts.

Actually, forget I offered to play the Canucks. As much as that'd be cool, I'll let you guys use them. How does my Juneau Islands concept sound?

OOC:
Hainanese tank lineages:
FT-17/Fiat-3000----->T-18--->T-18M
Vickers 6 ton---->T-26---->T-26B--->AT-1 AG (76.2mm assault guns all donated to CM)--->SU-5-->SU-5-1 (self proppeled howitzers, low velocity assault guns)
A4E11--->T-37A (non-waterproof amphibious tank :lol: )----T-38-->SU-37 assault gun
T-28--->-T-35---->SMK and T-100--->KV-1--->T-150 (being designed)
Christie tank--->BT-1-->BT-2--->BT-5-->BT-7 and BT-7A light artillery tank
A-20--->T-32--->T-34 and T-50
T-60-->T-85

Miscellaneous:
T-40 amphibious tank
T-24 training tank

Hm. WoS is currently in the north Atlantic, around ..damn, where did I put our coordinates? Well, south of Iceland, west of Britain, just barely east of the ridge. Enemy Ercolana is around the Azores.

I want to stop talking and let someone else central to the RP step in.. [goes for a cuppa]

hey WoS, how about you supply the Arms to me, while I research that heavy tank of mine, that way you can keep your individualizm :D

I am the counterterrorism trainer. West Islandia is the bad guy.

err i dunno what and where im going to be.

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BTW, one of the reasons I want us to agree on a year is so we dont have Maus tanks engaging Cruiser Mk2's.

If calarca gets Maus (which wouldve been ready around 1946), nobody objects to me having the JS-3 heavy tank (1945), the T-54 (1946), and PT-76 (1944 or so)?

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BTW, one of the reasons I want us to agree on a year is so we dont have Maus tanks engaging Cruiser Mk2's.

If calarca gets Maus (which wouldve been ready around 1946), nobody objects to me having the JS-3 heavy tank (1945), the T-54 (1946), and PT-76 (1944 or so)?

occ: Honestly though, IMO, the Maus sucked. It could hardly move when finally tested in late 1943, and there was no engine in existance, anywhere at that time, that would provide enough power for the planned speed of 20 km/h. Another problem was that the Maus was so heavy that no bridge could support its weight, and the snorkel provided with it was very ineffective, especially when attempting to cross semi-deep bodies of water with difficult ground underneath, as it's engine was significantly underpowered.

Thats because It wasn't given the time to develop. Anyways, I will be shortly invading Ecuador, bwahahaah!

Thats because It wasn't given the time to develop. Anyways, I will be shortly invading Ecuador, bwahahaah!

Well, considering they didnt have an engine powerful enough for the design until about 10 years after the War ended, and that nothing of its scale was ever attempted again, I doubt that it would have been a successful tank

well, given time they might have invented an engine just for it, its all circumstansal

Yeah. This is all make-believe, after all. Depending how much it would upset balance, it might be kinda fun! Look how many other designs weren't sucessful but still saw extensive use, like the Me-262 as a fighter-bomber.

well, given time they might have invented an engine just for it, its all circumstansal

W.e the case may be...the forces of Ercolana would not be very scared of the Grasso e Brutto Asino.

I'd be easy to knock a Maus out... just drive around it, and have a sniper pick off the crew members as they tried to man the MGs

I'd be easy to knock a Maus out... just drive around it, and have a sniper pick off the crew members as they tried to man the MGs

I'd just send in a couple of Pesantes to drive circles around it, and pound it with some 75 mm rounds....get some Tankbusters in....fire a few rounds Martello AT rockets....or I could just use some Self-Propelled Artillery to take it out before it got in range with its 128 or 75 mm guns.

So many options...

Yup, no need to ph34r the Maus. So tomarrow or Monday I believe I will start the Invasion of Ecuador :twisted:

Yup, no need to ph34r the Maus. So tomarrow or Monday I believe I will start the Invasion of Ecuador :twisted:

Heh, IC, I could care less for Latinl America. Take all of it you want 8) . Do you have someone to play the defending forces?

EDIT: BC I ride the short bus...

no I don't its in South America. Don't worry I'll just RP it out. I'll take casualties and it'll be a long fight.

no I don't its in South America. Don't worry I'll just RP it out. I'll take casualties and it'll be a long fight.

Ahh, Typo I meant Latin America!! So tired...been walking around the city for about 12 hours.

ah gotcha. Spamming = Fun eh?

ah gotcha. Spamming = Fun eh?

I don't really think that was spamming, but w.e ya say.

yuppers. So where is Agrigento located any how?

yuppers. So where is Agrigento located any how?

Agrigento isn't fighting in this war, or even in this Timeline. I am speaking for my puppet Ercolana, because I am too lazy to switch nations. Ercolana is in the Azores, just off the coast of Spain.

Oh gotcha, its the same with me, Im just to lazy to log onto Hvan

Hvan's navy is greatly geared towards U-Boats, its work horse being the:

http://uboat.net/types/illustrations/viic_2d.gif
Technical information for type VIIC

Displacement: (tons) 769 (sf) 871 (sm) 1070 (total)
Length: (m) 67,10 oa 50,50 ph
Beam: (m) 6,20 oa 4,70 ph
Draught: (draft) 4,74 m
Height: 9,60 m
Power: (hp)3200 (sf) 750 (sm)
Speed: (knots) 17,7 (sf) 7,6 (sm)
Range: (miles / knots) 8500/10 (sf) 80/4 (sm)
Torpedoes: 14 4/1 (bow / stern tubes)
Mines: 26 TMA
Deck gun: 88/45 220 rounds
Crew: 44-52 men
Max depth: ca. 220 m (722 feet)

I guess i'll be either China or Japan

Hey guys you should invite Cows666. He's got a pretty nice WW2 nation.

Hey guys you should invite Cows666. He's got a pretty nice WW2 nation. sounds like it

i mean it :lol:

anybody there?

anybody there?

URL

No, I don't think we'll be doing that.


Call it an objection to abusive telegrams, if you like.

(And I was right about the Matilda II's main armament anyway :( )

*raises hand*

Did I miss something?

Well, we're trying to work the Islandians into the time-frame, I think, and Cows called me a bad name some time ago, so I'm holding a grudge (since it was utterly unprovoked and all).

As to who Idiots Like You might be.. erm.. can we have another clue?

Alright, I'm all with you. If the Islanders do become Japan, don't forget how much petrol and coal we sold you, against the wishes of the Americans! hehe..uh. *looks around and coughs*

Never mind Ians. We don't like the Yanks much either, and that goes with WoS too... lol

Yeah. This is all make-believe, after all. Depending how much it would upset balance, it might be kinda fun! Look how many other designs weren't sucessful but still saw extensive use, like the Me-262 as a fighter-bomber.

Me-262 was a highly succesful design but then if you have to replace Chromium and Nickel with mild aluminium coated steel... eventually causing engine flameouts or turbine blade burneouts.
I'm not saying the Me262 was perfect but in every face to face engagement (sometimes completely outnumbered) they always had the upperhand. If you want examples i can give them.

(I don't feel like switching to my puppet)
Well, basically I have my Carbine rifle
The FN-49
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/fn49_2.jpg

IRL it was a Belgian Rifle being developed right before the outbrake of war. The attack by Germany put the Rifle on hold untill after the war. I am using this rifle as if the plans were sent to Hvan for safe keeping or some such, where we proceded to develop the rifle.
Calibers: 7x57 mm, 7.65x57 mm, 7.92x57mm, .30-06 (7.62x63mm)
Action: Gas operated, tilting bolt
Overall length: 1116 mm
Barrel length: 590 mm
Weight: 4.31 kg
Magazine: 10 rounds, non-detachable

The actual name is simply SAFN and it was placed in production in 1946. I'm a Belgian and i like FN alot.

Yeah, I know it began production in 1946, but the rifle was designed in the later 30's. Because of German occupation, the rifle never came to fruitition.

Yeah. This is all make-believe, after all. Depending how much it would upset balance, it might be kinda fun! Look how many other designs weren't sucessful but still saw extensive use, like the Me-262 as a fighter-bomber.

Me-262 was a highly succesful design but then if you have to replace Chromium and Nickel with mild aluminium coated steel... eventually causing engine flameouts or turbine blade burneouts.
I'm not saying the Me262 was perfect but in every face to face engagement (sometimes completely outnumbered) they always had the upperhand. If you want examples i can give them.
not true.Often it did, but not always. I hyave a counterexample, Jacques Clostermann (Free French pilot in RAF Tempest) vs Walter Nowotny in ME262, Nowotny was lucky to escape with his life.

Yeah. This is all make-believe, after all. Depending how much it would upset balance, it might be kinda fun! Look how many other designs weren't sucessful but still saw extensive use, like the Me-262 as a fighter-bomber.

Me-262 was a highly succesful design but then if you have to replace Chromium and Nickel with mild aluminium coated steel... eventually causing engine flameouts or turbine blade burneouts.
I'm not saying the Me262 was perfect but in every face to face engagement (sometimes completely outnumbered) they always had the upperhand. If you want examples i can give them.
not true.Often it did, but not always. I hyave a counterexample, Jacques Clostermann (Free French pilot in RAF Tempest) vs Walter Nowotny in ME262, Nowotny was lucky to escape with his life.

reason: engine troubles. Nowotny died when his plane dove into the ground, the real reason is unknown but experts see the engines as the problem.
In the first days of the fighters deployment they didnt score as good as expected.
The same day Nowotny died Galland made several changes after wich the Me262s started to become better in dogfights. Changes: they wer based further away from the battlefield, pilots got extensive training (bomberpilots were used because they could fly on intruments)

And i end my post with the impressions of a Luftwaffe pilot
Oberleutnant Gunther Wegmann, Erprobungskommando 262, Kommando Nowotny, JG7:
"The me262 was a fine aircraft to fly. I had no difficulty in handling it, the difficulties were technical, with the unreliability of the engines and so on. Adolf Galland has said 'I had the feeling that Angels were pushing'. Not only Galland said that - All the pilots did.
"After take-off, things happened fast. As soon as the flaps and undercarriage were up one was already at 300km/h (187mph).
Navigation was a problem, because before one had collected one's ideas after take-off, one was already several kilometres away from the airfield."

worng encoutner, tadjik ;) the Me 262 couldn't turn with the propfighters once speed dropped off, and if it didnt nail it's target on the first pass it never would.

Maybe he was unlucky in that encounter but when it comes to the maneuvrability, i have photographs suggesting otherwise.

Anyway, the Me262 was a very succesful design, unlike someone claimed earlier in this thread, thats what i wanted to prove and i think i did a good job there.

Actually, DK said that it was improperly employed as a fighter-bomber, when a capable interceptor (as it could have been) was needed, and not that it was a poor design. The whole argument has been a bit random an unrelated to anything actually going on in the thread, I think, heh.

So, did we get settled on where Islandia is and who's side they're on?

If nobody terribly minds, I would like to get in on this on the side of the Allies... I'd like to settle the Juneau Islands just a short distance off the coast of Canada, and take over as that country after all. That is, if nobody minds, of course. I can always do something else.