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Since about 10 years ago the Macabee Space Institution launched a series of space craft. A current hostility with enemies of Communist Poland (not a war) has taught the government that our patriot missiles are not good enough.

Thus the Macabean government will donate some 400 billion USD annually to research hydrogen powered (not warhead) patriot missiles supplemented by a mercury base. It is etimated that the patriot missiles will go at a speed of 11.5 mach and will be able to intercept ICBM's at over 5,000km away.

This system works with a series of 24 Macabean produced "special" sattelites that spread around the earth in space. A laser then targets the ICBM and since theres so many sattelites the ICBM will never be missed.

The Sat. then transmits signals to the Patriot missile base which automatically launches seom 70 patriot missiles.

This tech. is completely modern. (About 2006 tech).

Sattelites - 900 billion USD ea.
Patriot Variant B's - 200 billion USD ea.

As I said it will take 10 years to research first.

*** We are the main supplier of military goods to Blood Peak and the Democratic Federation area, our board of directors are facinated by the new technology Macabees has developed and they wonder if it would be possible if you might accept an offer to buy the technology for use by Blood Peak's military and the Federation.

Yours Geoffry Gorner, Spokesman for Stormont Systems, Blood Peak

*** We are the main supplier of military goods to Blood Peak and the Democratic Federation area, our board of directors are facinated by the new technology Macabees has developed and they wonder if it would be possible if you might accept an offer to buy the technology for use by Blood Peak's military and the Federation.

Yours Geoffry Gorner, Spokesman for Stormont Systems, Blood Peak

This technology will be sold to your nation (or group of allied nations) for 7 trillion over a period of no more than 15 years.

The reasons for such a high price are:

1. It is Macabean technology
2. It cancels out any losses of money (im saying that it would have cost you more to buy individual items.

This will be TM'd to you.

you want me to produce these for you

missile shields don't work... they are not effectively that is.

if you have 100's of very accurate lasers then they work

you want me to produce these for you

Thank you for your offer but the Macabean government has enough industry to produce over 300 of these a month.

And it does work because as BoK says 200 of these aiming at a target that has been pointed at by a laser which has 100% accuracy has good chance of hitting.

^ bump ^

OOC:

umm maccabees, i've got bad news for you, missile defense systems would only have a 50 percent effeciency against aerial, airborne and flying units...

reason:

a. they must work in tandem with your air force(forward seekers, active and passive radars installations and such)
b. aerial drones(such as predator, UAVs) have negated the effeciency of MDS by 20% due to the fact that they are quite small, stealthy, cold(cannot be heat detected and quite cheap(than, let's say a spy sattelite or a hawk eye radar plane)
c. a for-real ICBM attack on you will require the ff to prevent it from ruining your whole day:
a.1. a sturdy software tracking program
a.2. a cray supercomputer or a supercomputer with the same capability
a.3. a missile that can accelerate immediately at mach 3 and with a sufficient megaton package that can reach the ICBM and sufficiently rips their skin to be able to kill them(you must also have enough bullets and the right ones to do the job)...
d. then there are also the issue of tracking dummy ICBMs alongside the real ICBM
e. stealth bombers and fighters, deep strike capabilities and special operations can further redues its efficiency by another 30%
f. it can be jammned so that either you see multiple targets or none at all
e. human error

further rapid research can improve your MSD but it will never be a 100 % effective(can reach an efficiency of 90% if you study hard enough)

IC:

we are willing to sell a software(capable of tracking airborne units, even small ones, multiple targets and stealth objects) for you to upgrade your MSD including an ECM jammer for counter emmision control maneuver agsinst enemy fighters, bombers and ships)

it will amount to about $50 million...do you agree? :wink:

OOC:

umm maccabees, i've got bad news for you, missile defense systems would only have a 50 percent effeciency against aerial, airborne and flying units...

reason:

a. they must work in tandem with your air force(forward seekers, active and passive radars installations and such)
b. aerial drones(such as predator, UAVs) have negated the effeciency of MDS by 20% due to the fact that they are quite small, stealthy, cold(cannot be heat detected and quite cheap(than, let's say a spy sattelite or a hawk eye radar plane)
c. a for-real ICBM attack on you will require the ff to prevent it from ruining your whole day:
a.1. a sturdy software tracking program
a.2. a cray supercomputer or a supercomputer with the same capability
a.3. a missile that can accelerate immediately at mach 3 and with a sufficient megaton package that can reach the ICBM and sufficiently rips their skin to be able to kill them(you must also have enough bullets and the right ones to do the job)...
d. then there are also the issue of tracking dummy ICBMs alongside the real ICBM
e. stealth bombers and fighters, deep strike capabilities and special operations can further redues its efficiency by another 30%
f. it can be jammned so that either you see multiple targets or none at all
e. human error

further rapid research can improve your MSD but it will never be a 100 % effective(can reach an efficiency of 90% if you study hard enough)

IC:

we are willing to sell a software(capable of tracking airborne units, even small ones, multiple targets and stealth objects) for you to upgrade your MSD including an ECM jammer for counter emmision control maneuver agsinst enemy fighters, bombers and ships)

it will amount to about $50 million...do you agree? :wink:

I have bad news for you.

This isn't an anti-aircraft unit, this is specifically an anti-ICBM unit using advanced software to track incoming ICBM's with over 24 sattelies positioned around the world. The Sat. then mechanically tell the computer to fire 100 enhacend patriot missiles, which are described above.

24 sattelites.....wow....amazing, how the hell could you maintain 24 sattleits when the US can't even make monthly trips to space?! what about budget? you also have to pay your forces, clothe them then train them...if you are gonna reason you bulit it with a billion to trillion dollar budget then it sets a big strain and the pops...

and you built a missile defense for guarding them ONLY against ICBMs? not just it is costly(another set to guard your airspace) it sets a new gap in your radar coverage man...

it is really baffling, even lasers wouldn't work because there is an issue about air discrepancies and targeting/tracking problems...oh well, it's your defense, hope you can maintain it in the long run :wink:

Do you know any Defense Programs, that are also Anti-Space?

The problem with Missile defense is that it is especially vulnerable under poor conditions. But it is a good start.

Blamgolia utilizes a working ECM suite around our military bases, that prevent guidance locks. We are currently working on a more reliable interceptor spaceship and aircraft to deal with such things.

Our space program has become fairly advanced.

For now, the F-22's in our fleet will aid us, but we are conducting an experiment with some F-22's, modifying them for intergalactic combat...

Our main concern lies in the environmental sealing system, and maintaining propulsion in outer space for them.

24 sattelites.....wow....amazing, how the hell could you maintain 24 sattleits when the US can't even make monthly trips to space?! what about budget?
Why the hell do you think making monthly trips to space is required to maintain 24 satelites ???????????????????????????

monthly trips...let's see...

unless your sattelite can self diagnose and repairs itself then you have to do the following:

a. replacements of anti-radiation cells...(lots of harmful radiations out there)
b.refuel(now you will reason a nuclear cell...it is still not viable for environmental conditions)
c. upgrades
d. maintenancee.
e. if it is still out there(some nation that have ample space capabilities can steal it then modify it for their own puposes -it is cheaper that way)

24 sattelites...from what i know, GPS sattletes were developed not just by the US government but by their defense contractors too...i just didn't know how much it cost because it is classifed(they say) :wink:

24 sattelites.....wow....amazing, how the hell could you maintain 24 sattleits when the US can't even make monthly trips to space?! what about budget? you also have to pay your forces, clothe them then train them...if you are gonna reason you bulit it with a billion to trillion dollar budget then it sets a big strain and the pops...

and you built a missile defense for guarding them ONLY against ICBMs? not just it is costly(another set to guard your airspace) it sets a new gap in your radar coverage man...

it is really baffling, even lasers wouldn't work because there is an issue about air discrepancies and targeting/tracking problems...oh well, it's your defense, hope you can maintain it in the long run :wink:

Ok look let me explain in closer detail...

Macabean Patriot Missiles: 4 yard long missiles propelled with hydrogen power which is suplemented by mercury to give a final push of 11.5 mach lasting some 2 hours.

24 Sattelites costing us some 700 billion USD to launch and some 2 trillion to maintain (which is not montly but by decade my friend). Each sattelite then costs some 300 billion to build (WHICH IS WHY ITS TAKING US 10 YEARS!!!).

These sattelites use high tech software to pinpoint ICBM's w/in 2000 km of our borders. The sattelite takes about 2 seconds to process the information and send it back to Macabean homedefence systems which then electronically send 100 patriot missiles at the ICBM (100 per ICBM).

I have a 2.5 trillion to 3 trillion Budget with a 8 trillion GDP.

monthly trips...let's see...

unless your sattelite can self diagnose and repairs itself then you have to do the following:

a. replacements of anti-radiation cells...(lots of harmful radiations out there)
b.refuel(now you will reason a nuclear cell...it is still not viable for environmental conditions)
c. upgrades
d. maintenancee.
e. if it is still out there(some nation that have ample space capabilities can steal it then modify it for their own puposes -it is cheaper that way)

24 sattelites...from what i know, GPS sattletes were developed not just by the US government but by their defense contractors too...i just didn't know how much it cost because it is classifed(they say) :wink:

Of course much of the money is provided by private companies (according to the issue I just passed... the space one)...

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Department: Foreign Affairs Ministry

Mushroomius launched an array of twenty laser-equipped satellites in an effort to secure us from a potential ICBM threat. Sinc then, 2 have been decommissioned and an additional 8 have been launched. We would be more than willing to extend shield coverage to the venerable nation of the Macabees for a modest exchange.

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From The Incorporated States of Mushroomius
Department: Foreign Affairs Ministry

Mushroomius launched an array of twenty laser-equipped satellites in an effort to secure us from a potential ICBM threat. Sinc then, 2 have been decommissioned and an additional 8 have been launched. We would be more than willing to extend shield coverage to the venerable nation of the Macabees for a modest exchange.

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Make your wishes come true, in the recently annexed Star Road (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=star_road)
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What sort of exchange. Dont take this as a negative, im open to most exchanged if it is appealing.

24 sattelites.....wow....amazing, how the hell could you maintain 24 sattleits when the US can't even make monthly trips to space?! what about budget? you also have to pay your forces, clothe them then train them...if you are gonna reason you bulit it with a billion to trillion dollar budget then it sets a big strain and the pops...

and you built a missile defense for guarding them ONLY against ICBMs? not just it is costly(another set to guard your airspace) it sets a new gap in your radar coverage man...

it is really baffling, even lasers wouldn't work because there is an issue about air discrepancies and targeting/tracking problems...oh well, it's your defense, hope you can maintain it in the long run :wink:

You realize the U.S. government has dozens if not hundreds of satelites in orbit? The reason they arent maintained by monthly flights is because it is cheaper to just have the satelite break and launch a new one then it is to send a repair team into space.
There are hundreds if not thousands of satelites orbiting the Earth.

Also you said Dummy ICBMs. No country would spend 50 million dollars on a dummy ICBM. A dummby canister on an MIRV yes but not a dummy ICBM.

Well... perhaps an annual fee, or R&D exchange. That kind of thing. Just name it, we'll probably accept (within reason please?).

Well... perhaps an annual fee, or R&D exchange. That kind of thing. Just name it, we'll probably accept (within reason please?).

I'll offer a technology exchange.