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AF-100 Rapier CV (Carrier/Catapult launched Fighter)

Class: Carrier-based Heavy Multi-Role Fighter

Contractor: Attican Aerospace

Revision: D

Propulsion: 1 Thrust-Vector modified Freedom Country X-1000 Superjet w/ backup engine restarter.

Internal Fuel: 25,000lbs

Max Payload: 22,000lbs

Max Take-Off Weight: 60,000lbs

Ceiling: 70,000ft

Max Speed: Wings Closed: Mach 4 Wings Open: Mach 2.5

Combat Radius: 1000 Nautical Miles

Crew: 1 (Pilot)

Armament: 1 20mm Vulcan gun, 4 missile/bomb pylons mounted on fuselage (each holds two missiles/bombs)

Other: Radar Absorbing Material applied, design is somewhat stealthy, has 2 Radar Scatterers (easily fools radar-based missiles), 2 internal chaff pods, and 2 flare pods (40 flares). Mid-Air Refueler. Full screen cockpit HUD, Phased Array Radar, Radar Jammer, and Intelligent AI (software for carrier comes with). Automatic Take-Off, Flying, and Landing. Combat is pilot ONLY.

Cost: $140,000,000 (USD)




AF-100 Rapier CTOL (Conventional Take-Off and Landing Fighter)

Class: Heavy Multi-Role Fighter

Contractor: Attican Aerospace

Revision: C

Propulsion: 1 Thrust-Vector modified Freedom Country X-1000 Superjet w/ backup engine restarter.

Internal Fuel: 32,000lbs

Max Payload: 30,000lbs

Max Take-Off Weight: 80,000lbs

Ceiling: 72,000ft

Max Speed: Wings Closed: Mach 4 Wings Open: Mach 3

Combat Radius: 1500 Nautical Miles

Crew: 1 (Pilot)

Armament: 1 20mm Vulcan gun, 6 missile/bomb pylons mounted on fuselage (each holds two missiles/bombs)

Other: Radar Absorbing Material applied, design is somewhat stealthy, has 2 Radar Scatterers (easily fools radar-based missiles), 2 internal chaff pods, and 2 flare pod (40 flares). Mid-Air Refueler. Full screen cockpit HUD, Phased Array Radar, Radar Jammer, and Intelligent AI (software for airbase comes with). Automatic Take-Off, Flying, and Landing. Combat is pilot ONLY.

Cost: $150,000,000 (USD)




AF-100 Rapier VTOL (Vertical Take-Off and Landing Fighter)

Class: Heavy Multi-Role Fighter

Contractor: Attican Aerospace

Revision: A

Propulsion: 1 Thrust-Vector modified Freedom Country X-1000 Superjet w/ backup engine restarter. Two auto-stabilized ducts to acheive vertical launch and landing.

Internal Fuel: 32,000lbs (20,000lbs or less for vertical function, AI will block use with more fuel than that.)

Max Payload: 30,000lbs (20,000lbs or less for vertical function.)

Max Take-Off Weight: 80,000lbs (50,000lbs or less for vertical function.)

Ceiling: 72,000ft

Max Speed: Wings Closed: Mach 4 Wings Open: Mach 3

Combat Radius: 1200 Nautical Miles

Crew: 1 (Pilot)

Armament: 1 20mm Vulcan gun, 6 missile/bomb pylons mounted on fuselage (each holds two missiles/bombs)

Other: Radar Absorbing Material applied, design is somewhat stealthy, has 2 Radar Scatterers (easily fools radar-based missiles), 2 internal chaff pods, and 2 flare pod (40 flares). Mid-Air Refueler. Full screen cockpit HUD, Phased Array Radar, Radar Jammer, and Intelligent AI (software for airbase comes with). Automatic Take-Off, Flying, and Landing. Combat is pilot ONLY.

Cost: $170,000,000 (USD)




AF-100 Rapier BB (Bare-Bones)

Class: Medium/Heavy Multi-Role Fighter

Contractor: Attican Aerospace

Revision: A

Propulsion: 1 Thrust-Vector modified Freedom Country X-1000 Superjet (Stripped Down).

Internal Fuel: 10,000lbs

Max Payload: 12,000lbs

Max Take-Off Weight: 35,000lbs

Ceiling: 60,000ft

Max Speed: Wings Closed: Mach 3.2 Wings Open: Mach 2

Combat Radius: 700 Nautical Miles

Crew: 1 (Pilot)

Armament: 1 20mm Vulcan gun, 3 missile/bomb pylons mounted on fuselage (each holds two missiles/bombs)

Other: Design is somewhat stealthy, has 1 Radar Scatterer (easily fools radar-based missiles), 1 internal chaff pods, and 1 flare pods (20 flares). Mid-Air Refueler, Phased Array Radar, and Intelligent AI (software for carrier comes with). Automatic Take-Off, Flying, and Landing. Combat is pilot ONLY.

Cost: $50,000,000 (USD)


The AF-100 is the most advanced fighter currently for standard and carrier operations.

All AF-100s come with a targeting IFF chip that denies firing controls if an Attican or Freedom Countrian vehicle or other is targeted.

Average Maintenence Cost for both fighters is ~$1,000,000/year

Wings Closed:
http://pages.ripco.net/~antman87/AAAF1001.png

Wings Open:
http://pages.ripco.net/~antman87/AAAF100.png

ARGH!


Now I have to find new pics for my MiG-49 :evil:

(Bump--- WHY IS NO ONE BUYING!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!)

We will buy some of the VTOLs. we are talking in the range of 50-100

Max Speed: Wings Closed: Mach 4 Wings Open: Mach 2.5
[...]
Other: Radar Absorbing Material appliedI think it'd melt at the temperatures you'd find at Mach 4.

I'll buy one of each...

Money Wired..


And drop them off at the Reservertor of Defense

Inda Prime: order confirmed.
The Anti-Terror Army: order confirmed.

NIanacio: Only if you keep the wings open.

Inda Prime: order confirmed.
The Anti-Terror Army: order confirmed.

NIanacio: Only if you keep the wings open.

Maybe you should mention the use of heat-resistant materials.

Common Sense.

Money wired for 100 AF-100 VTOL units. When can we expect delivery of planes, as they would be useful in our current situation.

Given their performence in the recent air contest I would like to purchase 150 AF-100 Rapier VTOL's for use in the adversary role.

Damn

This plane seems almost as good as the MA-10 in an Air Superoirity role.

I think I should make some pics for that....

AF-100 Rapier CV (Carrier/Catapult launched Fighter)
200 please. Comes to the cost of 14,000,000,000

i'll take one of each

NIanacio: Only if you keep the wings open.Um...no. Unless the RAM is only covering what is the leading edge of the wing when it's open.
Maybe you should mention the use of heat-resistant materials.Heat-resistant RAM, while real, costs A LOT and would significantly increase the price of the jet.

Nianacio - All RAM is is a paint. And we do use heat resistant RAM. Note the jet is expensive. Plus, the materials the jet are made of are heat resistant also.

highly unrealistic...72,000ft, Mach 4! Backup engine restarter, superjet? what sort of n00b are you?

I didnt build the Superjet, now did I. Ask Freedom Countvry.


72,000ft isnt unreal, its easier to reach high speeds in the upper atmosphere then the lower (less air resistance). The SR-71 Blackbird can reach 100,000ft. Backup engine restarter isnt hard either.

3 Of each fan.

Produces 2-3 times the thrust.

Might not work, but hell, it was an idea.

And when I announced it, nobody said it was wrong....

OOC: Just wondering, how did a country of 75 million manage to develop "the best fighter in the world?" I understand that you had aid of some sort, but it seems a bit preposterous that a nation of your size and economy could actually manufacture one of these planes, much less the hundreds that people are buying.

OOC: 5 nations developed it, we received over a trillion dollars in donations. Plus the fact that my nation has an extremely good economy (all-consuming.) Plus the fact that we built 3 factories to build these (Germany has only 84 million people, and has one of the most advanced industrial systems around. Germany itself has only been around about 140 years.)

Nianacio - All RAM is is a paint.There is radar absorbing paint, but it's not the only radar-absorbent material.
And we do use heat resistant RAM. Note the jet is expensive.The F-22 only uses heat-resistant ceramic-matrix RAM on the exhaust nozzles because it's so expensive. This jet goes faster and has the additional systems required to move the wings, structural changes to allow it to take off from carriers, and AI. This jet should cost over $100 million.
Plus, the materials the jet are made of are heat resistant also.Which would raise the price even more...

Nianacio - the jet is over 100 million....

Only the VTOL version :?

Nianacio - the jet is over 100 million....Oh, sorry, I thought $70,000,000 is less than $100,000,000...

wtf... when did i change it (the original price was around $140,000,000...)

OOC: Also, development was finished about 5 days ago. It took about 8 days of development (1 day = 1ns year.

wtf... when did i change it (the original price was around $140,000,000...)I don't know. Now that you've changed that, I will be quiet...

OK :o Now, what do you think of this one guys jet (supposedly can go Mach 5 or so at 20,000ft, Mach 4 at 10,000, Mach 3 at 0.)?

OK :o Now, what do you think of this one guys jet (supposedly can go Mach 5 or so at 20,000ft, Mach 4 at 10,000, Mach 3 at 0.)?

OOC: well the mach 5 i can deal with, ditto Mach $, but Mach 3 at sea level i don't see happening without YEARS of research.

OOC: Yah, because this one guy claimed to be mowing down my fighters at Mach 3 at like 2000 ft, and claimed it could get faster at 0ft.

OOC: Yah, because this one guy claimed to be mowing down my fighters at Mach 3 at like 2000 ft, and claimed it could get faster at 0ft.

Right, now that i don't believe.

OOC: Nor did I. My fighters still won, though :/

OOC: Nor did I. My fighters still won, though :/

OOC: Shame they didn't fare so well over FPC huh.

OOC: BB fighters arent exactly top of the line. Not nearly. 2 VTOL aircraft vs a bomber that shoots lasers isnt exactly fair either.

OOC: BB fighters arent exactly top of the line. Not nearly. 2 VTOL aircraft vs a bomber that shoots lasers isnt exactly fair either.

OOC: LaseR. It only has one. I just wonder how they would have fared against my entire airforce, as well as that of ACS. Would have been fun, yes?

OOC: Well, 4 fighters vs 2 Air Forces... hmm... hell, my whole air force ( 210 + 70 on the Nimitz, not only AF-100s, not counting choppers) would be destroyed.

OOC: Well, 4 fighters vs 2 Air Forces... hmm... hell, my whole air force ( 210 + 70 on the Nimitz, not only AF-100s, not counting choppers) would be destroyed.

OOC: that followed by destruction of defences, then a massive ground ivnasion. Would have been good fun. Oh well. I typed out a huge list of attacks launched on your nation/CBG, then you got lucky and i lost it.

I dont like the fact that you claim it to be "The best fighter in the world".

OOC: LoL. Well, it would boil down to fighting in Attica in the cities, now wouldnt it.

Agrigento: Find a better MODERN TECH fighter.

OOC: LoL. Well, it would boil down to fighting in Attica in the cities, now wouldnt it.


OC: Or just bombing every building into the groudn then attacking. Takes longer, but it would cause horrendous casualties on your side civlian and military, even before troops reached your city.

OOC: But you cannot forget, when you bomb cities to the ground, there are other nations that will fight back on you. You cannot just assume it will be you vs me. Big nation vs Small nation, no matter the circumstance, especially in densely populated cities, could get me allies.

OOC: But you cannot forget, when you bomb cities to the ground, there are other nations that will fight back on you. You cannot just assume it will be you vs me. Big nation vs Small nation, no matter the circumstance, especially in densely populated cities, could get me allies.

Dont forget, i wouldn't laucnh an attack without being fired upon first coughcoughdepthchargescoughcough, and personally would prefer to just keep sending troops into Attican cities whilst using propaganda and aid relief etc in the coutnryside to gain support. Possibly use sieges to weaken defenders.

Dont forget yourself, your submarines were in my waters. Legally, I could attack you. You had no proof that they were in Intl. waters, and ship logs would verify my story. Plus the fact that propoganda doesnt work well against citizens of long time monarchies (Allied propoganda did crap during WW1).

Dont forget yourself, your submarines were in my waters. Legally, I could attack you. You had no proof that they were in Intl. waters, and ship logs would verify my story. Plus the fact that propoganda doesnt work well against citizens of long time monarchies (Allied propoganda did crap during WW1).

You staed your CBG was heading for Attican waters, never actuall yin them. I presumed they were in FPC waters, but couldn't be bothered to argue so withdrew them.

I should really have launched on the carrier then run. Thats what happened in the lost post.

Agrigento: Find a better MODERN TECH fighter.

I happen to think my Drago is better, well the Drago X atleast which is the Single Seater variant with the extra space being utilized for a bigger engine. That allows Mach 4 and Mach 2.5 Supercruise.

Alteast my wing geometrics make sense :wink:

Drago 3000 is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1473274#1473274)

OOC: LoL. Well, it would boil down to fighting in Attica in the cities, now wouldnt it.

Agrigento: Find a better MODERN TECH fighter.

Oh but it could. Why dont we decide this like gentlemen and wargame the AF100 with another few fighters of Agrigento's choice?

Still, it was kinda arrogant to state that "BEST FIGHTER IN WORLD" and stick that onto ur post. since u said find a better fighter, Agrigento and I will.

I guess you have never heard of ADVERTISING.

Also, since when do swept wings not make sense?

I guess you have never heard of ADVERTISING.

Also, since when do swept wings not make sense?

When you use Variable Foward Swept wings that do not fit right, according to the pictures....not that it matters.

Actually, they fit back in perfectly. Editing in photoshop is great, especially when you have a knowledge of Geometry.

Actually, they fit back in perfectly. Editing in photoshop is great, especially when you have a knowledge of Geometry.

First of all, the mechanism that would do that would be extremely complicated and make the aircraft's weight much more considerable, altering speed and handling specs.

The US Air Force uses variable-swept wing designs already. Tell that to them.

I guess you have never heard of ADVERTISING.

Also, since when do swept wings not make sense?


I guess u have never heard of LYING

You haven't proved me wrong.

The US Air Force uses variable-swept wing designs already. Tell that to them.

I, doubt that, but thats off topic, because evein if they did they wouldn;t go Mach 4, and didnt weight that much...also there is a bulge on your wing surface shown on the picture with the Wing folded, however it disappears when the wings are out, meaning either the geometry of your wings is very poor and the lift-drag ratio would be dangerous.

ANYWAYS I don't really care about that.

And didnt the Drago 3000 page also have an ad similar to that in the text, until he edited it out?

Agrigento: Its called a shading problem in photoshop.

And didnt the Drago 3000 page also have an ad similar to that in the text, until he edited it out?

Agrigento: Its called a shading problem in photoshop.

Nope......Never said anything like that. I edited the pictures a few times as my previous webpage didnt allow Remote Linking anymore and some of the specs, but thats it.

And okay, thats very undestandable I went through something like that on my Drago...its besides the point though I said it only as a joke.

You haven't proved me wrong.

Look at Agrigento's thread on the Drago 3000

we'll decide this on the proving ground; quit dodging this and pick ur pilots to fly a wargame exercise

I didnt build the Superjet, now did I. Ask Freedom Countvry.


72,000ft isnt unreal, its easier to reach high speeds in the upper atmosphere then the lower (less air resistance). The SR-71 Blackbird can reach 100,000ft. Backup engine restarter isnt hard either.

Maybe you should look at SR-71's crash record.

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I declare...

the AF-100 is a future tech airplane, so therefore it is...
Ignored in a modern tech RP.

Good day.

And how is it a futuristic airplane? It uses nothing that cannot be developed now.

And how is it a futuristic airplane? It uses nothing that cannot be developed now.

the fact that one engine can achieve Mach 4 without losing stability is futuristic enough, unless you are talking about the Hyper-X/HyperSoar.

Ask Freedom Country. I never claimed to invent the engine. Also, complain to McLeod also, as his aircraft are powerful and yet modern tech, or Shildonia.

The engines that Freedom Country gave you are not realistic. There is a difference between being powerful and plausible, as McLeod's forces are... and being powerful and unbelievable, as Freedom Country's engines are.

You are saying there are no jets today that can do that? I find that hard to beleive.

You are saying there are no jets today that can do that? I find that hard to beleive.
The speed is achievable, but he didn't work good on the entire "mechanics" of this engine.

You don't just come up with things and say you have them.

Even with 10 NS years of research? It is not my fault that he did not work on the mechanics of the engine. I am waiting for him to come up with actual blueprints.

You are saying there are no jets today that can do that? I find that hard to beleive.

As far as I am aware of, there are no combat aircraft capable of that sort of speed today. It certainly wouldn't be using any form of conventional turbojet propulsion.

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Even with 10 NS years of research? It is not my fault that he did not work on the mechanics of the engine. I am waiting for him to come up with actual blueprints.
It's not his fault either that you are using those unrealistic engines.

Sniper Country - and it uses ROCKET propulsion. It is not a conventional aircraft by any means.

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You dont HAVE to fly at those speeds. I will admit, combat is not easy by any means (or possibly possible) at those speeds, you CAN drop your speed though...

Sniper Country - and it uses ROCKET propulsion. It is not a conventional aircraft by any means.

Since when? The description says "superjet" engines... whatever that means.

Indeed. We use scramjets and ramjets for our recon jets only. Why do you need a combat aircraft to go that fast? There would be absolutely no decent handling in that thing.

As the German rocket interceptors found out during World War II, when they became easy targets for the more capable Mustangs and Lightnings.

Superjet is an advertising term.

Superjet is an advertising term.

Okay... are they solid rockets or liquid rockets, then? I imagine that it would be a liquid rocket because you can't really shut a solid rocket off once it starts... even so, liquid rocket engines I think would be entirely too fuel intensive for a viable modern combat aircraft. Perhaps they could be used as some sort of boost system for a more conventional engine... but that would require extensive structural upgrades.

They arent rockets. They are jet turbines.

They arent rockets. They are jet turbines.

Then the speed, especially given that it is a single engine plane, is just ridiculous.

beh. AF-100 sales are halted until we get a responce from FC. Until then, Attican Aerospace is commencing research into viable thrust techniques.

I would like to ask the Attican Empire a few questions.

1. Can your aircraft take off from the desert floor?

2. Does it have one of the world's best fighter size SCRAMJET engines?

3. Is its fuselage made entirely of composites?

4. Can its radar detect stealth ad advanced range? Can it ID aircraft?

5. Can it be afforded by the best nations of the world, the Liberal Democrats and Socialists?

The F-2 Mesquetor can. It is the choice aircraft of small nations. It can take on aircraft many times its size and win! It is so nice! It is used by The North Krindel, Nonage, Omz222, Samustan, and many others! LRR has put all its mesquetors into storage at the archives, as well as all other Aeronautical treasures.

And I also consider most of those nations godmodders, and ITS A FUTURE TECH AIRCRAFT (yours).

And I also consider most of those nations godmodders, and ITS A FUTURE TECH AIRCRAFT (yours).

me?

No, from LRRs list.

No, from LRRs list.

Oh, Okay. BTW I have no problem with your fighter, just a little bit angered by ur braggings.

Advertising :). Like McDonalds has the best burgers.

1. Can your aircraft take off from the desert floor?VTOL equipment adds weight and thus decreases performance, and shouldn't be in every fighter.
2. Does it have one of the world's best fighter size SCRAMJET engines?Don't scramjets have to get to a certain speed to work? How does the fighter get to that speed?
5. Can it be afforded by the best nations of the world, the Liberal Democrats and Socialists?You do mean "the best nations of the world, the liberal democrats, and the socialists", right?

The F-2 Mesquetor can. It is the choice aircraft of small nations. It can take on aircraft many times its size and win! It is so nice! It is used by The North Krindel, Nonage, Omz222, Samustan, and many others! LRR has put all its mesquetors into storage at the archives, as well as all other Aeronautical treasures.
Although the F-2 Mesquetor has been phased out for the F-31s (aka X-31) and the F-62, it is an attracting plane in our Omzian Military Revolution Museum.

1. Can your aircraft take off from the desert floor?VTOL equipment adds weight and thus decreases performance, and shouldn't be in every fighter.
2. Does it have one of the world's best fighter size SCRAMJET engines?Don't scramjets have to get to a certain speed to work? How does the fighter get to that speed?
5. Can it be afforded by the best nations of the world, the Liberal Democrats and Socialists?You do mean "the best nations of the world, the liberal democrats, and the socialists", right?

That is the magic of the Mesquetor. It is not a VTOL aircraft so that cuts weight and costs. It is a STOL aircraft. And the Ramjet engines are started by compressed air. That is why you would be knocked down if you were near one when it started. It makes a very distinctive (and ear-shattering) WOOSH-BANG!

The US Air Force uses variable-swept wing designs already. Tell that to them.

I, doubt that, but thats off topic, because evein if they did they wouldn;t go Mach 4, and didnt weight that much...also there is a bulge on your wing surface shown on the picture with the Wing folded, however it disappears when the wings are out, meaning either the geometry of your wings is very poor and the lift-drag ratio would be dangerous.

ANYWAYS I don't really care about that.

OOC: The design that he based his fighter on can be found here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=356431#356431) (see link from my posting). It's a design that has, indeed, been patented by Northrop Grumman.

Yes, but do they go Mach 4?

Am I using their engines?

Am I using their engines?

Dude, I have no problems with your plane, I'm not talking to you I am talking to WA who apparently only read the parts of my post he wanted to.

Ahh. K.

Am I using their engines?

Dude, I have no problems with your plane, I'm not talking to you I am talking to WA who apparently only read the parts of my post he wanted to.

I was responding to the parts that I cared about...the rest of the commentary doesn't matter since AE doesn't care much for reality.

Firstly, I was responding to your doubt about the design itself...there are a lot of problems with the claimed design here as it is, but I don't care much about those--pretty much par for the course on NS. The original design lacks many of this design's problems.

As for the speed....

Well, frankly, we don't know. It's a USPTO patent, not a blueprint for the entire aircraft...that means that it tells us something about the mechanism but nothing about the rest of the aircraft, although it is definitely supersonic and seeks to eliminate serious sonic-boom issues (top-mounted engines can direct the thrust upwards)...it is also apparently designed for stealthiness due to its geometries.

Anyways, it would be feasible to have them go at those speeds...if you have sufficient engine power, structural stability, and materials (which depend upon some engine advances not shown here...and the "super engine" is silly....you don't triple the thrust of a turbofan engine by trebling the number of fans (and there's more than one fan in a turbofan/jet engine)). There is no such demonstrated tech here and, out of its clearly intended role as a long-range strategic fighter-bomber, it probably would never do that.

Although the F-2 Mesquetor has been phased out for the F-31s (aka X-31) and the F-62, it is an attracting plane in our Omzian Military Revolution Museum.
Hmm... how simmilar would these be to my F-31Xs :?:

Although the F-2 Mesquetor has been phased out for the F-31s (aka X-31) and the F-62, it is an attracting plane in our Omzian Military Revolution Museum.
Hmm... how simmilar would these be to my F-31Xs :?:
OOC:
I think very similar...but they've been around for at least 2 months, I think.

Man, high prices.

Done by peepol calling u a godmod?

Good for them. :wink:

ill take 300 af-100's please

Gaz

Gazville: Sales have been halted until a few problems with the engine (water burnouts) have been solved.

:roll: Best fighter in the world is a bit too much :roll:


*looks at Bladiean International Areospace thread and laughs at the silly black plane*

i'll buy 10 of AF-100 Rapier VTOL (Vertical Take-Off and Landing Fighter)

money wired

:roll: Best fighter in the world is a bit too much :roll:


*looks at Bladiean International Areospace thread and laughs at the silly black plane*

Your not the first person to say that...

Again, we are not selling AF-100s ATM, because we are working on solving engine difficulties.

The Bladien aircraft are all futuristic lol.