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After much discussion within the beouracracy of the Ministry of Defense, a decision was made.

$10,000,000,000 a year, until complete, would be invested in a sea-wall that included cannon that can fire 40 miles, extensive radar arrays capable of detecting stealth craft, and SAM sites attached to them. This will help prevent naval bombardments, cruise missile attacks, AND bomber/fighter attacks.

Also, $7,000,000,000 a year will be invested in building an intricate series of walls and defenses along the Attica/FPC border (the only land border Attica has), to control trade, immigration, and terrorism.

ETA on completion of either is unknown.

We welcome you to our military markets (and my future tech alt, just in case)

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69082)

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70101)

how many people will be manning it once it has been built?

65,000 men/

To make the seawall useful:

It is going to be shaped like this:

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The inside will be steel-reinforced concrete. There will be three feet of Ti/C (Titanium/Carbon-Fibre alloy, strong enough to withstand a battleship shell) armor around the wall. The wall itself will be 10ft tall.

Will there be any drastic environmental effects from theis plan?
You never know when your nation's hippies will go nuts.

Bah, our environment is already a toxic soup. Plus, we kill hippies (OOC, of course.)

We must admit, the venture WILL be expensive, but will help prevent invasions of the Attican homeland.

To make the seawall useful:

It is going to be shaped like this:

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The inside will be steel-reinforced concrete. There will be three feet of Ti/C (Titanium/Carbon-Fibre alloy, strong enough to withstand a battleship shell) armor around the wall. The wall itself will be 10ft tall.how far off-shore will this wall be?

On beaches, it will be on the shore (except for public beaches, where it extends out 1 mile from shore, like a big titanium net). On cliffs, it will be as close to the edge as possible. Ti/C doesnt rust.

To make the seawall useful:

It is going to be shaped like this:

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The inside will be steel-reinforced concrete. There will be three feet of Ti/C (Titanium/Carbon-Fibre alloy, strong enough to withstand a battleship shell) armor around the wall. The wall itself will be 10ft tall.

I think that such a wall would cost more than what you've budgeted... neither titanium nor carbon composites are exactly cheap. Also, from a tactical perspective, a 10 foot wall isn't all that high. Bad sea swells or storm surge would easily flood it.

http://www.electroguardllc.com/images/fence.jpg

with plenty of doors without locks

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posters every 5000 feet


offer?

ACS: The budget is $10bill per YEAR of development. Also, it isnt designed to keep out water, its designed to keep out troops (the incline keeps them from storming it, yet it also helps deflect the energy of shells)

On beaches, it will be on the shore (except for public beaches, where it extends out 1 mile from shore, like a big titanium net). On cliffs, it will be as close to the edge as possible. Ti/C doesnt rust.

If you go out a mile from shore, you are going to require either a flotation system for the wall... or it's going to have to go down to the bottom. Either option is not easy or cheap.

It is going to stretch to the bottom. We know it will not be cheap, but we are willing to make the investment in our nations security.

ACS: The budget is $10bill per YEAR of development. Also, it isnt designed to keep out water, its designed to keep out troops (the incline keeps them from storming it, yet it also helps deflect the energy of shells)

If the incline is the side pointed out, it would make their ascent of the wall a little easier... I'd think. Also, all they would have to do is wait for a good storm... while your men are busy trying to not drown, the enemy launches its attack.

I've finished my own line (the Macabean Line)... theres a thread about it somewhere... and it completely sorrounds me. It took me 20 years to complete and 450 billion USD.

No im not bombarding you with b.s. about your too young or that crap.

I want to offer you 50 billion USD IF you sign a treaty gaurenteeing me a certain amount of petroleum yearly (of course I would give you something in return).

how would they attack during a bad storm --- they would drown also.

That incline is not accurate (ASCII art can only do so much!)

The incline is around this:



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now tell me you can climb that (knowing that is is extremely slippery (ti/c)).

Macabees, we do not have petroleum. We use plutonium/hydrogen.

ACS: The budget is $10bill per YEAR of development. Also, it isnt designed to keep out water, its designed to keep out troops (the incline keeps them from storming it, yet it also helps deflect the energy of shells)

If the incline is the side pointed out, it would make their ascent of the wall a little easier... I'd think. Also, all they would have to do is wait for a good storm... while your men are busy trying to not drown, the enemy launches its attack.

You're pretty stupid. So Attica is affected by the storm but the invaders aren't? Sounds pretty unlogical... not the invasion of Normandy June 6th, 1944 HAD to be done is perfect weather...thats why it was proponed from the 5th to the 6th.

i recomend something like this
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why would you need to defend agains FPC?

Felimid there are reasons.


Parthenon: that would create a surface for shells to hit, they would slide down, and impact with more force at the vertex.

Macabees: yep. If they invaded during a storm, against a wall that was ON the shoreline, we would just point and laugh as they drowned.

Macabees, we do not have petroleum. We use plutonium/hydrogen.

Well, can you allow our patroleum industries to untap your resources? We use ecologically safe methods (freaking tree huggers.. no offence).

No, we do not even HAVE petroleum

OOC: I will be back tomorrow.

Scenario: An Enemy Detonates a large explosion, possibly a nuke 100 miles off shore of this sea wall. A large Tsunami comes towards the Seawall... you know the enemy has an air division 175 miles offshore on a straight line with that blast. The Tsunami hits, followed closely by the aircraft... what happens? Do the people get killed or anything? Do the guns get destroyed? or is there some sort of quick-defense system?

you could also do

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how would they attack during a bad storm --- they would drown also.

That incline is not accurate (ASCII art can only do so much!)

The incline is around this:



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now tell me you can climb that (knowing that is is extremely slippery (ti/c)).

Depending on the seaworthiness of the boats they are using, they wouldn't drown because they would be riding on the surface of the waves. The sea swells would literally be breaking over your fixed, low wall. Hell, if the swells were high enough... they could even coast OVER the wall with the waves, using rigid inflatable boats.

While that incline is more steep than the one shown earlier, it is still an incline... an incline is easier to climb than a sheer vertical wall.

a nuke 100mi would fry some unprotected circuitry, the tsunami would just rush over the wall, reinforced turrets would be unaffected. Some soldiers might die, but the aircraft would be shot down.

ACS its not inclined, its a 90 degree wall made up of many inclines.


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well ok...

AND if you nuke the wall your a dumb*** for using nukes. Nukes are for the cowards.

you meen like stacked up things like ancient chinese buildings

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You're pretty stupid. So Attica is affected by the storm but the invaders aren't? Sounds pretty unlogical... not the invasion of Normandy June 6th, 1944 HAD to be done is perfect weather...thats why it was proponed from the 5th to the 6th.

Tossing out insults doesn't help your case. Navy SEALs are specifically trained to handle small craft in heavy seas... similarly trained naval special forces could wreak havoc with this wall, because they could ride on top of the waves. His -fixed- wall would be overwhelmed by them. A 10 foot wall out at sea wouldn't take much to swamp.

We're not in World War II here... the situation described by Attica is not the same as at Normandy. We're talking about a low wall, one mile out at sea... not storming a heavily fortified beach with battlements that were able to fire down on the soldiers.

I'm not saying it would be easy for the invaders. It would be very dangerous, but possible. Attica is more adversely affected because his wall is not designed to deal with the elements.

ACS its not inclined, its a 90 degree wall made up of many inclines.


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Ah, sorry... it showed spaces indicating an incline when I was replying. I thought there might have been a formatting error when your ASCII drawing posted.

a nuke 100mi would fry some unprotected circuitry, the tsunami would just rush over the wall, reinforced turrets would be unaffected. Some soldiers might die, but the aircraft would be shot down.

Only if those turrets are waterproofed and fully environmentally sealed... thus driving up the cost more. If not, the turrets would be filled with water... a 10 foot wall just isn't that high.

http://www.seathree.demon.co.uk/seastate/

Just from looking at this site, the wall would be swamped in Sea State 5 conditions... which most modern naval forces are trained to handle.

Based on these recomendations, we are increasing the walls funding to 20,000,000,000 USD a year.

Also, instead of 10ft tall, it will be built 40ft tall. The concrete will be poured in massive concrete foundries that are being built (construction will be complete in 2 years) and the Ti/C alloys will be manufactured in extended Attican Aerospace plants (we must triple their capacity, taking 2 years as well.) That is what the first two years of budget will be spent on (40 billion dollars).

This is the wall outline:
each character heighgt is 5ft

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Search towers will be this:

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Entrances to seaports will look like this:

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(Not to total scale, the width can hold 3 Iowa battleships end to end. There will also be a massive retracting gate which will cost a lot in itself as it will be Ti/Cfe (Steel))


Note, to see these correctly, I dunno. There are lots of spaces, i do not know how to get them to display though.

Any other ideas/commends/blasphemy?

Well if the turrets had big drain holes in them (like the floor is a sewer grate) the water would just wash over them, the men would be still enclosed inside the turret an well just use standard naval weaponry, its designed to get wet with seawater anyway.

I think the JSA will be looking into some type of costal fortification in the future. We will keep the lessons learned through out the Attican atempt in mind when we come to design it.

Be sure to use TPM special (waterproof) ammuniton for your guns, I don't currently manufactuer anything larger than 40mm AA rounds but special round could be manufactured, of course a new round wouln't be needed I could always convert the exisiting round of whatever guns your turrets would use.

Our Nation can supply you with all the titanium you need at knock down prices.

We are in the process of disarming so our vast arms manufacting plants could easily be redesigned quickly to produce more titanium.

Here is another thought. Why not simply by up old warships and fill them with concrete and anchor them to the seabed, and each other of course.
with titanium cables. You would then have radar coverage along your entire sea-coast as well (when purchasing insist that the radars on the ships are fully functional) This would save you literally billions overall.

General Georges
Finance Minister
The Republic of Aylandlandfive

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Damn expensive wall....

We dont have dead battleships. Plus, we calculate the cost of enough wall blocks (they are mass produced) to cover the area of one cruiser to be far less than the cruiser.

FC: Although it is expensive, it will keep Attica safe from harm (hopefully). The beauty is the fact that it is Ti/C/Concrete, which will make it remarkably strong (and extremaly durable, Ti/C doesnt rust or erode, so it will literally take millenia for it to break down.), albeit the high cost.

The factories have been completed. Optimum effiency will be acheived next year (running at 50% now)

Each 1mi's worth of blocks costs 20 million. That means, at optimum effiency, we can cover about 500 miles every year.

10 billion of the projects budget will go to manufacturing.
the rest will go to factory wages and actually setting up the wall.

The Attican Coastline is about 2300 miles long.

Here is part of the wall:

http://pages.ripco.com/~antman87/wall1.png
http://pages.ripco.com/~antman87/wall2.png

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i bet your countrys coastline is dead ugly!

it is.

Thats a really cool pic, did you make it in CAD?

Also, what have you selected when the beach issue comes up :D ?

i modeled it in milkshape.


Umm... yes... the wall will stretch out 1 mile, and will extend to the ocean floor.

You see, to keep the wall from moving, the ground is dug down below sand to a hard point, that is drilled, steel rods implanted, concrete poured, wall set. It makes it extremely strong. The one at sea will be far more expensive, and will be the last part implemented.