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*Freedom City Military Airbase. National Airshow, open day*

Crowds gathered around Hangar 18. There was an event scheduled here, but they did not know what. Planes had been buzzing about all day, performing acrobatics and showing their planes to the public. It was nearing the end, and the sky was darkening.

The hangar doors were opening, revealing 2 objects covered with by Freedom Country flags. A voice sounded out through the loudspeaker:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we welcome you to Freedom City airbase, Hangar number 18. Today we will unveil a glorious project, that will protect you and your families from harm. This project has been developed for the past 2 years, and is very succesful. But today, we reveal the 2 planes that have made it this far, in our design competition. Also, today, we decide which one will enter service in our glorious country. May we present to you:

The MA-14 Groundpounder, and TA-13 Lightning!!!!"

*The flags were wipped out, revealing 2 shining fighter planes
The planes, with pilots in their cockpits, taxied out into the open.*

MA-14
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/CheapFighter.JPG

TA-13
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-03.jpg

The crowds gasped, as the fighters sat there, and Freedom Countries national Anthem played. The voice spoke again.

"But only one will be selected. After many tets, showing the versatility of both these aircraft, we have decided on a winner. And that winner is......

The MA-15 Groundpounder!!!!!"

On the control tower roof, over looking Hangar 18 and the fighters, stood all the main development personnel. The Muir Avionics team yelled, shouted and celebrated, and congradulated the Taylor Aeronautics team on their fighter. The crowd clapped, impressed by this new fighter.

Down on the concrete, armed guards asked the crowds to leave a gap in the middle, and brought in fences to seal it off. The gap was very wide, allowing for the planes to get through. The TA-13 taxied through first, followed by the MA-14. They taxied to the runway, before taking off in formation. They swung round, and flew side by side over the crowd, who clapped and looked up in awe.

"Congradulations to the Muir Avionics team, for such a wonderful aircraft!!!




(ALL DESIGNS AND DESIGNATIONS COPYRIGHTED)

We would be interested in helping with this project.

OOC:Dunno what else to say!

Do you need financial aid?

I dont know either.

You wouldnt know where I could get a top down pic of an F-16 would you?
Ataully, a top down view of ANY PLANE.

I plan to mix and match photos to get my design.

We have a bunch of old remote-controlled cardboard decoys if you want 'em. Free Outer Eugenia's Paper Tiger Air Force is known and feared the world over. Everyone is so scared that no one dares to come close enough to penetrate the illusion!

Erm this site is pretty good for pics


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/index.html

Zossen donates 50 Million USD to the production of the fighter.

I have a fighter in mind I can help you develop.....


for a price.

I dont need help, really.

It would be tanked, but not needed. And if you helped, there are free prod rights......

And FAS aint that good for top down pics

Ill tgram you a link to the fighter anyway.... it should be fairl;y unique.

Ok sorry it didnt help. Im still interested in helping if you want me!

I have made a pic

Cept, ma sites down, so i cant post it :evil:

The Federation Aerospace Forces uses the F-16XL "Gyrfalcon" fighter for the air defense role. It is cheap, versatile, and uses almost entirely "off-the-shelf" technology.

http://phalanx.i8.com/

If you develop a low-cost version of your jet, we will develop a low cost 'disposable' fighter.

What do you mean 'disposable'?

And I am making my own, not buying.

I have enough money going to the military that I dont need cheap jets...

An option to consider would be an upgrade and refit of the venerable F-5 fighter or its brother, the F-20 Tigershark.

Here it is, a modified, glorified version of the F-20

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/CheapFighter.JPG

It is an Attack Model, for Ground Attack, hence the huge minigun on the side.

And I had the F-20 idea before Autonomous, okay?

The picture doesn't work.

Well it should

Link:

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/860471457602/26106956.jpg

And if it doesnt work, edit Copy it into the URL thingy

An dif it doesnt work, you are fucked

Well it should

Link:

http://www.hpphoto.com/sessions/860471457602/26106956.jpg

And if it doesnt work, edit Copy it into the URL thingy

An dif it doesnt work, you are f---

It keeps on asking me to log in to HP Photo... do you have any way of linking it so that we don't have to create an HP Photo account?

Hmm... I think that only works if you have an HP photo sharing account and are logged in...

On a side note, the F-20 Tigershark is a good one to base on... the F-5 and its descendents are great cheap fighters.

OOC:
My idea was the early S-37, but thats only cheap by my standards :cry:

FC i can host the pic for you if you want shoot me a TG.

*Secret IC*
Attican Aerospace

Reichsforschunggelehrte: "Herr, we have succesfully downgraded the FC-1000X. Now it is just a matter of making it cost effective."

Reichsmarschall: "How long will it take to do the following:

1. Make it run on cheaper fuel than petrol
2. Make its operating costs much cheaper than the 1000X
3. Make its production costs 100fold cheaper

?"

Reichsforschunggelehrte: "About a year."

Reichsmarschall: "Excellent. The Kaiser will be most pleased."

Here is a link:

http://www.freewebs.com/freedomstore/projectpage.htm

It is a modified pic of a F-20.

It will be a ground Attack Fighter, much like the A-10, and sports an GAU-10 mounted cannon, with AP shells and a huge ROF.

Projected price:

25,000,000 USD

The Federation Aerospace Forces uses the F-16XL "Gyrfalcon" fighter for the air defense role. It is cheap, versatile, and uses almost entirely "off-the-shelf" technology.

http://phalanx.i8.com/

Hey, me too. Your're the first other person who I've seen use the XL airframe. I rebranded it F-16E and exported it.

I was going to base it on the F-16, but I decided to make it based on the F-20/F-4.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68453

Not very cheap, but you want need quite as many as others.

Just to let you know, I am making my own.

Currently, it is a race between Muir Avionics and the newcomers Tayor Aeronautics.

There are 2 designs:

MA-12
http://www.freewebs.com/freedomstore/projectpage.htm
(Plane in middle)

TA-13
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-11.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/viggen-saab_37.jpg
(2 Protypes)

Yeah, I know you are making your own but if you are interested in any components of the Drago, or perhaps similar carriage layout I am willing to negotiate.

The only thing I am interested in is the crew of 2, in one cockpit.

We dont have any fighters to this configuration.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68453

Not very cheap, but you want need quite as many as others.

And by god it aint cheap....

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68453

Not very cheap, but you want need quite as many as others.

And by god it aint cheap....

Well, I think it is worth it, I mean not to brag but I got some pretty good endorsements in that thread.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68453

Not very cheap, but you want need quite as many as others.

And by god it aint cheap....

Well, I think it is worth it, I mean not to brag but I got some pretty good endorsements in that thread.

And anyway, this is gonna be a cheap GROUND ATTACK fighter, like the A-10.

And I prefer the AF-100 for air roles and off carriers, as they can fly at Mach 5/6 (thanks to my engines, which will be cheapened and fitted in this figher), and it is cheaper.

And besides, my MA-10 ASF is perfect for its role, and has been reduced to 50 million each.

Mach 5/6...impressive.

The engines are very good, and use 3 fans instead of 1, therefore 3 times the speed.

Allows things to go wrong, and the airframe has to be strengthened, but other than that, it is fine.

This fighter will use 2 Fans instead of one, so it can go Mach 3/Mach 4

It wont be as heavily armed, but it could run away from a missile, and could probably keep up with a tomahawk.

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Final Prototypes are in the air.

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results soon

Ok

How the prototypes fared:

The Muir Avionics MA-14 fighter went into the air first:


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-5-cf11601.jpg

It took off well, before doing a couple of sweeps round the airfield.
It flew gracefully and well, but it will be some time before it is stretched to its limits. Afterburners on this beauty werent a problem, adn stress levels seem to be high. It looks graceful, and later tests will show what it is like in hard tests.

The Taylor Aeronautics fighter went second:
TA-13

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-10.jpg

It took off after a quite long run down the runway, and kinda bobbled in the air after takeoff. After that it was fine though, banking hard after takeoff (pictured), and showing great maneuverablility. It looks like a hard plane, and a very solid airframe. On landing it showed great grace, stopping quickly as a pose to the long run up at the start.

The MacDonald-Menzies MA-14 plane took off last:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jh-7_8.jpg

It took off after a short flight, and climbed quite high, without turning. It engaged afterburners, and impressively broke the sound barrier goin up at 90 degrees. I then continued to roll back, until upside down, back over the airfield. It rolled back to normal flight, and did several rolling turns. It showed some sluggishness in rolling, but succesfully aimed back at the airfield and landed well.

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OOC: You cannot develop an aircraft in 3 years...

Thay arent

They are prototypes, wotked on by 3 Different companies.

And I am considerably bigger than YOU, so I can develop stuff quicker.

They lack combat stuff yet, and arent totally developed.

And I have a huge aerospace market, I hardly make tanks and weapons, but rather planes, and missiles.

Believe me, I have the resources.

Resources dont equal instand development.

You still have to go thru the intense phase of designing it. Attican Aerospace worked with 6 other contractors, and it took like 7 years to finish the AF-100.

Plus you are only 4 times larger than me, and my economy is better than yours.

In fact, the GDP calculator, if we both had 10% military budgets, mine is larger.

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=FreedoM%20Country&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=1

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Attican%20Empire&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=1

Economy = Money

And four times is a lot.

And besdies, these are all based on OLD AIRFRAMES.

The MA-14 is a JH-7, and F-20 Tigershark.

Teh TA-13 is a J35 Draken

These are old airframes, and i have the technology.

All I need to do is install the engines F-1001, with only 2 fans. Lower top speed, but cheaper) and they are already developed.

My economy is better than yours.

I know

Jsut cos you got a lot of money means nothing.

I have 4 Trillion, donated to me by Crookfur, a bit from Wolfish, sales and some other random guy.

as do we. We were donated to also. Besides the point.

Im just saying, it takes a long time to develop a WORKING prototype

Just try to make it realistic, i even had one prototype fail.

These are basic tests.

Every plane must have them. These cant even hold weapons yet....

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Maneuverability tests tonight!!!

In their second flight, the prototypes had to take off, climb to 30,000 feet, go to Mach 2 flat, then perform basic aerial acrobatics such as the Cobra, barrel roll, loop the loop, and turn in excess of 4G's.

First Up, the MA-14:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-4x2.jpg

After accelerating down the runway, and climbing up high, almost effortlessly, and climbed high. When in thick clouds, some buffeting took place, forcing the plane round them. At 30,000 feet, the plane accelerated to just over Mach 2, before performing a cobra maneuver. A bit sluggish at the top, other than that, it was graceful and well within its limits. Then, some basic maneuvers like the Barrel Roll and loop the loop were performed. On the loop the loop, again the plane did not perform as well at the top, but was very fast and agile while diving, which is perfect for an attack aircraft. The, a hard turn in excess of 4G's was performed perfectly, with little slow down. The plane returned to base, again suffering some beffeting in the thicker clouds on the way down. It landed quickly, so a chute was opened, and performed well.

Next was the TA-13:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-09.jpg

After accelarating down the runway with the help of brakes and afterburners, this plane took off after a normal distance, which was better than the first take off. Little beffeting took place as it went up, but some was experienced as the altitude increased. At the top, the plane didnt even break into afterburners to reach Mach 2, supercruising at 2.4. A cobra was performed, showing the crafts outstanding thrust by losing little spped and agility on the way up, and on the way down some buffeting apeared, but not too much. Next were the barrel roll and loop the loop, showing the crafts thrust by losing almost no speed. As it dived to land, some buffeting took place all the way, but it landed safely, at a nice slow pace, again stopping quickly.

Last was the MA-15:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jh-7_6.jpg

This plane took off qickly after a short run up, which backed up the first flights statements. Climbing gently in a turn, no beffeting was experienced, maybe thanks to the filters in the engines, for consistent thrust. It broke the sound barrier and accelerated to Mach 2 in a climb, which ws impressive. A cobra was performed, rather sluggishly, but the climb showed great smoothness. Thetruns were a bit slow, bt it was still performed well. A loop the loop and barrel roll were next, showing a lot of sluggishness in the tighter turns. Climbing was no problem though, and there was no buffeting. The 4G turn had a wide turning circle, and showed a lot of turn to reach 4G's. Upon diving down again, no buffeting occured, and it landed safely with minimum length to stop.

OOC: Make it interesting. First prototypes dont usually survive... make one blow up or something.

In an independent test, upon lengthening the wings, the MA-15 takes off, and tests out its maneuverablitlity. It finds not as much sluggishness, but slightly more buffeting and air cavaties off the rear of the wings.

A second MA-15 is sent up with it, with regular wings. This shows more stability, but more sluggish. Upon returning to the airfield, the second MA-15 lands safely, but the first MA-15 lands heavily, and breaks its right landing gear. It skids hard along the concrete, and comes to a shaky stop. The rear of the plane is heavily damaged, and the underside and landing gear are all recked. It caused on estimate 1 million USD of damage. Reinforcements and wing modifications are currenlty being made to the secong MA-15.

In another independent test, the TA-13 breaks the Mach 6 barrier, at only 20,000 feet altitude.

This puts it well into the lead.

The MA-14 developers, Muir Avionics, are currently upgrading their fighter to carry bombs and missiles, and a GAU-15 cannon is being fitted to its side (a huge 5 barrel Vulcan).

It is the best 'strike fighter' and proves to be fitting the role.

The MA-15 is still well behind.

at 20,000ft, wouldnt the air resistance rip the plane apart?

No, not really. It is mega strengthened, and has no Air cavaties inside.

This thing can go Mach 4 at 0 feet.

wouldnt it hit the ground?

I know....

I am just saying, it could.

At 400 feet, Mach 4.1

Can you please send us the plans for these new engines that are capable of these speeds? The AF-100 airframe can support it, im sure.

Actually, it uses F-1001 engines.

These use 2 fans as a pose to three, so the power per engine is less.

On every plane there are 2 of these, super reinforced.

Capable of MAch 6 flat, and Mach 7 is the limit before the wings fall off.

Wouldnt the number be lower, since they are not as powerful, around X-600 (we use X, since F generally means Fighter.). When will you be developing a more powerful engine that can do Mach 6 on its own?

First Bomb drop!!!!

At Mach 0.8, the MA-14 dropped a fake 500lbs into a ground target. It hit directly, and went without fail.

Also, an untested aerial version of the GAU-15 vulcan cannon has been mounted.

There are very little flight flight interupptions, which shows the brilliant design.

Not really

They are just under as powerful, and are more advanced in electronics and control.

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Then we will improve the X-1000 :/

You cant

You dont have the rights :wink:

And it is copyrighted, so you cant modify it

I have a telegram stating otherwise.

And FC copyrights arent valid in Attica (our business rights state that the government controls the copyrights (you would have a patent on it btw, not a copyright) and patents of everything in Attica.))

No

RL copyrighted

You cant touch 'em

You cant copyright an engine or the plans to an engine.

love it, my two worst enemies arguing over some crappy plane.

You can copyright an idea, some writing, or a drawing.

In this case, the idea is copyrighted, so you cant touch it, use it without me saying, or change it without me saying.

And in this case, you cant change it.

You cant touch it man :D

In other news, the TA-13 fired its GAU-15 cannon at a fake target today. It hit dead on, and if the target was a tank, it would be dead.

It and the MA-14 seem to be leading the way. A second prototype TA-13 has been built.

no, you cant copyright them. You can patent them though. Your plans cannot be copyrighted, they can be patented.

Plus, I know how your engine works, if I rebuild it, im not violating the copyright.

Yes, you can copyright the idea.

I have copyrighted it.

And you tell me, how does it work?

You cant copyright it, since it is no longer an idea, it is an actual thing. You PATENT it now.

Anyways, the MA-15 has officially dropped out the competition.

The TA-13 and MA-14 are going at it in a planned test tommorow: A dogfight, followed by a mock ground attack.

Would you consider our new design:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71170

We strongly considered your fighter, but have decided to design our own for customization purposes. Besides, we can upgrade this.

We looked carefully at your fighter, and will continue to look at it as it progresses.

Ok, this is the mock dog fight:

It was a night scenario, and the second prototype TA-13 and MA-14 planes rolled out onto the runway. They were lit by spotlights, and would have an MA-10 filming them.

First up was the TA-13:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-07.jpg
(Before Flight Modifications)

And then the MA-14:
http://www.freewebs.com/freedomstore/projectpage.htm
(Picture in the middle, not the top one)

At 30,000 feet, the two began their mock dogfight.

It started off slowly, with the TA-13 (Unit A) trying to tail the other plane, but suffering from accuracy decrease when the MA-14 (Units B) turned up the power and dived. There was a lot of sharp turns, but Unit A never seemed to lose B. They flew around, until B did a loop the loop, and lost A. It then accelerated away, while A got its bearings, the MA-14 then turned and lined up for a fakey missile shot. It had to slow to Mach 2, before firing an AA-2 Hunter missile at the TA-14. A then deployed chaffs and flares, and even radar foolers, but the missile is a hard one to lose, as it uses visual, IR and Radar to guide itself. The TA-13 as a last resort dived and accelerated, accidentally breaking Mach 6, the fastest a jet has flown the. The missile lost track of the target racing away, and dived into the ground. The MA-14 dived after it, but lost the TA-13 among the mess on the ground. Meanwhile, the TA-13 was sweeping round, and came up at the left side of the MA-14. It opened up with its cannon, firing laser painters which hit the MA-14 twice, but caused little damage. The MA-14 dived, and accelerated away from the TA-13's relatively sluggish diving. The MA-14 tried a climb, but on lower power, near the top of the climb, it began to slow drastically, to under 200 knots. It tried to accelerate, but was too sluggish. The TA-13's brilliant climbing lined it up for a shot, and the vulcan cannon would have ripped the MA-14 to shreds. Both planes then returned to base in formation, congradulating each other.

Later on, the ground attack mission will be to destroy, totally, a fake armored convoy, made out of wood.

This will demonstrate which plane best fits the ground attack role.

The armored convoy consists of:

2 T-55 tanks
3 BMP's
3 UAZ's with .50 cals
2 Flat bed trucks

In this order:

T-55 BMP BMP UAZ UAZ TRUCK TRUCK UAZ BMP T-55

The two prototypes with real ammo, will have to totally destroy this convoy.

They will be fake targets, made out of wood and yes, cardboard.

The planes arnament will be:

2 Mavericks A-G missiles
2 Cluster Bombs of companies choosing
2 AA-4 Rocket Pods (14 rockets each)
1 GAU-15 Chain Gun with AP bullets

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Clearer MA-14 pic:

http://www.villagephotos.com/viewimage.asp?id_=4966867

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http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/CheapFighter.JPG

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This mission, gorund attack.

First up, the MA-14:

It gracefully got into the air, adn showed no problems getting there, minus a few problems with low clouds. It showed brilliant range, supercruising at Mach 2.5 under it reached within the target zone, where it slowed right down. It still showed great maneuverability even when slower than sound. It's tactics where:

It began its dive at Mach 0.8, and pointed 2 Mavericks towards the tanks at the front and back.. They were launched, and blew the tank models up. Next, it launced 12 Unguided AA-4 rockets at the BMP's and UAZ's near the front. It strafed the trucks, getting off 400 rounds in 3 seconds with the chain gun. The truck were destroyed easily. It then pulled up, nose up, adn dropped 2 cluster bombs one after the other at the convoy's rear. This destroyed the rear vehicles easily. It then pulled up, flipped over and pointed the ground, to fire 300 more rounds at the convoy, the GAU-15 gauping fire. It showed great maneuverability in accelerating away, climbing easily and heading back to base, ultra quick this time duw to the lack of heavy weapons. It got its tail slightly damaged on landing, but there are 2 prototypes, adn this one can be easily repaired.

Then, the TA-13 took off, loaded with 4 Mavericks, 2 Cluster Bombs and extra chain gun rounds. It climbed gracefully, going a late dive from high up. It cruised slowly to the target, with minimum fuss, adn little bufeting, except for when the wind got in its face, and under it. It was above the clouds when it dived, hard down. It was blind, shooting through the cluds, but it fired off its four mavericks at the harder targets, 2 BMP's and 2 T-55's. It then fired many, many rounds from its all powerful chain gun into the column, ripping up the UAZ's at the front and one truck. It experienced heavy beffeting here, during the dive. But on the pull up, it was so smooth, dropping th 2 cluster bombs with such precision, destroying the rear of the convoy. In the climb, up over some trees, it climbed smoothly, not losing any speed at all. It was still climbing when it turned graciously, and returned to base.

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Grrrrrrrrrr :evil:

At least some critiscm.....

*Freedom City Military Airbase. National Airshow, open day*

Crowds gathered around Hangar 18. There was an event scheduled here, but they did not know what. Planes had been buzzing about all day, performing acrobatics and showing their planes to the public. It was nearing the end, and the sky was darkening.

The hangar doors were opening, revealing 2 objects covered with by Freedom Country flags. A voice sounded out through the loudspeaker:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we welcome you to Freedom City airbase, Hangar number 18. Today we will unveil a glorious project, that will protect you and your families from harm. This project has been developed for the past 2 years, and is very succesful. But today, we reveal the 2 planes that have made it this far, in our design competition. Also, today, we decide which one will enter service in our glorious country. May we present to you:

The MA-14 Groundpounder, and TA-13 Lightning!!!!"

*The flags were wipped out, revealing 2 shining fighter planes
The planes, with pilots in their cockpits, taxied out into the open.*

MA-14
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/387586/CheapFighter.JPG

TA-13
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/draken-03.jpg

The crowds gasped, as the fighters sat there, and Freedom Countries national Anthem played. The voice spoke again.

"But only one will be selected. After many tets, showing the versatility of both these aircraft, we have decided on a winner. And that winner is......

The MA-15 Groundpounder!!!!!"

On the control tower roof, over looking Hangar 18 and the fighters, stood all the main development personnel. The Muir Avionics team yelled, shouted and celebrated, and congradulated the Taylor Aeronautics team on their fighter. The crowd clapped, impressed by this new fighter.

Down on the concrete, armed guards asked the crowds to leave a gap in the middle, and brought in fences to seal it off. The gap was very wide, allowing for the planes to get through. The TA-13 taxied through first, followed by the MA-14. They taxied to the runway, before taking off in formation. They swung round, and flew side by side over the crowd, who clapped and looked up in awe.

"Congradulations to the Muir Avionics team, for such a wonderful aircraft!!!

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looks good.

looks good.

Thanks

How much are they?

Not for sale yet :roll:

FC: you can't copyright an idea, copyright only applies to actualy works or executions, you can patent your engine though which protects it.
of course i still have some concerns about how your engines work i'm pretty sure that 2 or 3 times the number of fans (which fans? the compressor? the drive fan?) doesn't directly equate to 2-3times the extra power.


Anyway on your MA-14 i would personally have put the cannon in a semi rescessed vetral pod, where it is can cause a number of problems in that it could unbalance the plane, the recoil is goign to be a problem and you are goign to get soem major gun gas injestion issues by mounting in infront of an airintake (gas injection= bad, very bad).

Ok about the patenting.

The pic is modified, so it is copyrighted.

It was just a wild idea about the engine :D !!!

It isnt infront of the intake, its over it. This doesnt cause many problems, because the duct is under the wing, so the gasses should go over.

And I am in the process of putting panneling over it, so the only thing showing is the guntips.

And I am even considering placing it under, adn the weight is not a problem, as the missile control unit (MCU) is on the other side, adn it is weighed down by weights and gadgets.

Well that answers my concerns :)

OOC: Man, you gotta love gadgets.

*The 2 Planes continue to swoop about a bit, adn are soon joined in formation by 3 MA-10's.

They fly in this formation

MA-10
TA-13
MA-10
MA-14
MA-10

The MA-10's puff out red, yellow and black smoke, and continue to do loops and stuff.

Okay

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The planes return to the tarmac.

Projected price of each:

MA-14: 17,500,000 USD
TA-13: 20,000,000 USD