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Let the mock dogfights begin!

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Captain Mark O'Reilly (Black Wolf) and his RIO Dick Perkins (Blindsides) walked out of their quarters and were immediately hit with the sound of jet engines warming up and the other assorted noises associated with a military airfield. O'Brian Airfield had been entirerly given over to the series of mock dogfights that would take place over the next couple of weeks. And he and his RIO had been given the honor of flying for Grimdale.

I will send the following fighters piloted/operated by our top combat veteran pilots and Top Gun Instructors

F-27 Haste Fighter
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=65d65fb0-2e72-47c1-3463-72eb4c042735&size=


FU-29K Scorpion Unmanned Aerial Combat Vehicle
[img]http://home.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=71f84c1c-6f5e-27d0-755c-30fc4c786508&size=img]


F-31X Cyclone Interceptor
http://home.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=3cb7610f-6bd2-4c77-3335-cee539de8ceb&size=

F-33B PhoenixInterceptor
http://www.angelfire.com/alt/karma0/P-3.jpg

And, although not a fighter, the extremly manevrable
A-4X Skyhawk II Light Attack Aircraft
http://www.netmarine.net/jeux/ident/test6/photo01.jpg

All stats can be viewed here ->

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65638
any questions can be answered if you must ask them :)

Our 4 best pilots are being sent w/

2 AF-100 CVs

and

2 AF-100 CTOL


We can supply the laser-vulcan or laser-machinegun painters, and the non-volatile missile painters.

Those are some nice aircraft Phoenix Milita. The first contest will be the free for all. All aircraft will go to 50,000ft at diffrent compass points and then converge on a single point, only one aircraft per country is allowed in this particular contest so choose well.

HERE ARE THE SUGGESTED RULES OF ENGAGEMENT:

All primary fire weapons (chainguns, machine guns, cannon, vulcan) will be replaced with their respective laser painters.

All secondary fire weapons (missiles, bombs) will be replaced with their respective missile painters (non-volatile, no damage).

There will be two airfields, a standard one, and one that mimics a Nimitz deck (catapult).

There will be groups of contests, IE AF-100 vs F28, then that winner vs the winner of another contest, et cetera. The winner of the contest will be determined by this formula:

winners score > losers score

There are 4 sub contests

1 on 1 standard dogfight
1 on 1 naval dogfight
2 on 2 standard dogfight
2 on 2 naval dogfight

each one is worth one point. If it is a tie, then another 1 on 1 standard dogfight will take place.

Each contestant must enter a naval fighter and a CTOL fighter.

All contestants must enter before 3PM CST tomorrow. Any late entries will be ignored.


This is all after the free for all (which cant really be scored as it is somewhat biased.)

We choose the AF-100 CTOL Fighter Revision A, as it is somewhat more capable then the Naval variant.

We suggest that only modern-tech aircraft be allowed, that is, from 1970 to about 2020.

Can space planes enter? I know the answer is probably "no", but I just want to check

HERE ARE THE SUGGESTED RULES OF ENGAGEMENT:

All primary fire weapons (chainguns, machine guns, cannon, vulcan) will be replaced with their respective laser painters.

All secondary fire weapons (missiles, bombs) will be replaced with their respective missile painters (non-volatile, no damage).

There will be two airfields, a standard one, and one that mimics a Nimitz deck (catapult).

There will be groups of contests, IE AF-100 vs F28, then that winner vs the winner of another contest, et cetera. The winner of the contest will be determined by this formula:

winners score > losers score

There are 4 sub contests

1 on 1 standard dogfight
1 on 1 naval dogfight
2 on 2 standard dogfight
2 on 2 naval dogfight

each one is worth one point. If it is a tie, then another 1 on 1 standard dogfight will take place.

Each contestant must enter a naval fighter and a CTOL fighter.

All contestants must enter before 3PM CST tomorrow. Any late entries will be ignored.


This is all after the free for all (which cant really be scored as it is somewhat biased.)

Agreed, the F-28 will do for both the naval and land based contests as it is the standard fighter for all services (Kinda like the old F-4). The carrier deck will be provided by the USGS Raptor Nest, the finest carrier in the fleet. Let the games begin at 3pm tomorrow (Real time).

All but the F-31X are carrier capable, tho we do have a few experimental carrier capable versions.. shall we bring in one of them or can the F-31X sit the naval events out?

OOC: May we request that you downgrade the F-28s specs somewhat to 1970-2020 suggested requirement? A futuristic fighter (2048 is in the future) unbalances it a lot.

You can use experimental fighters.

We will try our F-22C Raptor aircraft. Though only a fifth-generation aircraft, it does feature an improved radar, 3D thrust vectoring, and more load.

For the naval one, we will use our F/A-2000B Millenium fighters. This highly-manuverable fifth generation fighter, experienced combat in a total of 3 conflicts, is a proven fighter aircraft. It is the primary naval fighter of Omzian Nation.

The 2 fighters will be piloted by Capt. Honjak Ganze, and Capt. Yakru Plurtous. Capt. Honjak Ganze is a very skilled pilot, experienced combat in 4 conflicts. Capt. Yakru Plurtous is an experienced Millenium pilot, experiencing combat in 5 conflicts.

They have to be the same aircraft for the Naval and CTOL tests. There will be another contest for CTOL only.

I thought Grimdale was running this.

He approved my contest though. This will be a big contest.

OOC: May we request that you downgrade the F-28s specs somewhat to 1970-2020 suggested requirement? A futuristic fighter (2048 is in the future) unbalances it a lot.

Sure, I'll remove the ramjets and the optical stealth features for the purposes of this contest, how's that?

ramjets have been around for a while now, I don't know why you couldn't use em.

ramjets have been around for a while now, I don't know why you couldn't use em.

When combined with the other features of the F-28 it becomes a little overpowering.

Okay, I will enter:

MA-10 Air Superiority Fighter:

MA-10 Low Signature Fighter

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ucav-lm2.jpg

FA-100FC:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70722&start=0

MA-12 Fighter Bomber:

MA-12 Ultra High Speed Fighter/Bomber

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/yf-23-desert.jpg

Harrier GR9:

http://www.cbjet.clara.co.uk/lucas/images/harrier.jpg

It begins in half an hour.

OOC: FC, you cant change AF-100 to MA-100. Make it AF-100FC or something.

Ok......

AF-100FC then

Captain Mark O'Reilly (Black Wolf) and his RIO Dick Perkins (Blindsides) walked

O'Reilly looked over his shoulder at his RIO. "You strapped in tight Dick? We're really going to be wringing this bird out up there today. We've got authorization to disable everything up to the mid level safties."
"I'm as ready as I'll ever be, lets get this bird airborne."

O'Reilly flipped a couple of switches and was rewarded with the sound of the twin engines spinning up. Slowly the plane taxied out to the end of the runway.

"Tower, this is Able One, request permission to take off."
"Able One this is the Tower, permission granted, and good luck."
"Roger that tower and thanks."

O'Reilly pushed the throttle forward until it was against the stops. With the roar of twin afterburners the Raptor rolled down the runway about five hundred feet before he pulled it into a straight up climb.

I will use:

The MA-10 for 1 on 1 Standard Dogfight
The AF-100FC for 1 on 1 Naval Dogfight
The MA-10 an Harrier GR9 for 2 on 2 Standard Fight
The MA-12 and AF-100FC for 2 on 2 Naval Fights

The MA-10 sat on the runway, glistening.

It would be armed with 1 27mm cannon, 2 AA-2 missiles and 2 AMRAAM's, but they were replaced by laser painters.

A single figure walked up to it, helmet on and in full fligh suit. An army of technicians monitored the MA-10, in its first international war session (apart from laucnhing missiles from 200km away.).

The harch opened, and the figure climbed in, and sat in his seat. He got strapped in, before closing the hatch. The ladder gor wheeled away by a ground crew, and the engines powered up.

The MA-10 taxied to the runway, before engaging afterburners and roaring down the runway. It continued up, until vertical, before disappearing into the clouds. It came down again, nose down, at the start of the runway, where it had taxied to, 2,000 feet in the air. It brought its nose up, adn went horizontally long the runway at just under Mach 1.

"Those are some pretty fancy moves there. But lets see if you can beat this." O'Reilly heard Dick moan from the back seat. "Oh God, here we go again."

He brought the Raptor up to 75,000 feet before flipping it over on it's back and pulling back on the stick, sending the F-28 into a vertical dive, he then hit the afterburners, rapidly accelerating past mach five. At the last possible moment he flipped a switch that changed the flight mode from normal to VTOL. The F-28's nose shot upward and the plane pulled out of it's dive only a few feet from the ground as he flipped the switch once again. The plane did a triple barrel roll as it shot down the runway, the sonic boom crashing over everyone in the plane's wake.

A loud exilarated Whoop came over the radio. "And that, ladies and gentlemen is how you buzz an airfield."

OOC: Please no more pictures anyone, it's begining to take forever to load this thread. Thank you.

*The AF-100CTOL takes off*

Ok, watch this.....

The MA-10 speeds down the runway, an takes off, and takes the plane round until it is 30 miles away, facing the runway.

It then engages full afterburner, and thunders forwards until it is two miles away from the airfield, goin at Mach 5, horizontally. It speed s over the airfield at 200 feet, at Mach 5, horizontally, thanks to my super engines. It then went vertically up, up to 50,000 feet at Mach 1.4, then did a flip to vertically DOWN, and sped down towards the runway at Mach 6, maximum stress level, with afterburner. It the pulls up, and flattens out at 50o feet, over the airfield, at Mach 5.7.

"YEH, BABY, WOOOOOO YEH!!!" the pilots yells, before going straight up to cruise altitude for aerial refueling.

Ok, watch this.....

The MA-10 speeds down the runway, an takes off, and takes the plane round until it is 30 miles away, facing the runway.

It then engages full afterburner, and thunders forwards until it is two miles away from the airfield, goin at Mach 5, horizontally. It speed s over the airfield at 200 feet, at Mach 5, horizontally, thanks to my super engines. It then went vertically up, up to 50,000 feet at Mach 1.4, then did a flip to vertically DOWN, and sped down towards the runway at Mach 6, maximum stress level, with afterburner. It the pulls up, and flattens out at 50o feet, over the airfield, at Mach 5.7.

"YEH, BABY, WOOOOOO YEH!!!" the pilots yells, before going straight up to cruise altitude for aerial refueling.
"Oh yeah, well lets just see you do this!" O'Reilly Brought the plane to a hover directly over the airfield, and then began a series of flips, rolls and spins without ever moving from the spot. He then brought the nose up and began to do an excellent immitation of the latest dance fad, the Seever Weaver, and finished it all up by rotating the plane in all three axis at once.

OOC: Did I forget to mention that O'Reilly is the star of our national aerobatics squadron? And that he's a humongous show off?

*The AF-100 pilot laughs at the two, prepares 3 Painter-Sidewinder missiles, and fires them at the F-28*

Suddenly, four DAE-F-3 Battlehawks fly in, and the lead fighter jet radio this over....


"The Dakal Aerospace Engineering Fighter-3 is a fighter jet, although reasonably skillled in ground attack. It is nicknamed the "Battlehawk."

Crew: 1 Pilot and 1 pilot, 1 gunner version available

Armament:

Air-to-air missile internal bay:
Holds four large air-to-air missiles, eight small ones.

Air-To-Ground Missile internal Bay:
Holds one large air-to-ground missiles, or two small ones.

Two 35mm Cannons

Maximum Speed: Mach 3.2
Max Cruising Speed: Mach 2.7
Cruising Speed: Mach 2

Powerplant: 2x Echo Turbojet Engines

Features:
*Heavy armor
*Stealth
*Composite construction
*Comes with a free "How to Fly and Maintain your DAE-3" Video and book with every 10 ordered. You can buy them extra for $20 for orders under 10.
*One radio with encoder thrown in
*One laptop computer with our military software suite thrown in
COST: $60,000,000 (Single Seat), $65,000,000 (Two-Seater)

And I forgot to mention--- it can whoop your tail!"

He then proceeded to do a signiture move of this craft, where he dove down vertically, and another flew down vertically, and placed one of his wings (they're bi-planes, but not the type you are thinking. See our thread for a picture), in between the other, and they procedded to perform first a barrel roll, then a loop, and then a Pugachev Cobra, this being the only other craft besides the aircraft the move was designed for that can do it. All these moves were done in perfect syncronization, with their wings in between the other's. They then opened fire on the other aircraft with their dual painter "35mm Cannons."

*The AF-100 pilot laughs at the two, prepares 3 Painter-Sidewinder missiles, and fires them at the F-28*

"Mark we've got company. Initalising radar and radio jammers, dumping flares."

"I see them." The throttle was pushed fully forward, rocketing the F-28 to over Mach 5 in seconds. O'Reilly then put the F-28 through an astonishing series of manuvers designed to thwart the missile's sensors and finished it up with a dive towards the ground and a last minute pull out. Dick gave a cry of exaultation as the desert behind them blossmed in color. "Now for some payback. Locking onto targets, I'm picking the battlehawks, lauching missiles now, two to a dupe." The F-28's internal weapons bay open for a second and eight Adder missiles raced towards their targets. Meanwhile O'Reilly brought the jet around for a gunnery pass at the offending AF-100, the Vulcan six-pack making it look as if the nose of the F-28 had exploded.

OOC: Maneuvering a fighter at Mach 4 would rip it apart.

OOC2: At Mach 4, you would be too far by then to shoot me with guns.

OOC3: What kind of missile is an Adder? You are supposed to be using painting Sidewinders and AMRAAMs, not volatile missiles.

OOC: Maneuvering a fighter at Mach 4 would rip it apart.

OOC2: At Mach 4, you would be too far by then to shoot me with guns.

OOC3: What kind of missile is an Adder? You are supposed to be using painting Sidewinders and AMRAAMs, not volatile missiles.

"Statement #1 is just wrong, pilots regulary pull 7G or more and most planes can take more than their pilots.
Statement#2, I said he was turning around to engage.
Statement #3 3) Adder air-air missiles with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems

At Mach 4, and 90 degree maneuvers, thats not 9 gs, thats about 90 gs. The airframe would split apart from the air stress, unless your fighter is a perfect sphere.

That missile would be futuretech then, since current tech cannot build a viable light weight fast missile that has IR, Radar, Laser, and Optical guidance systems. If it is modern tech, it flies like crap.

At Mach 4, and 90 degree maneuvers, thats not 9 gs, thats about 90 gs. The airframe would split apart from the air stress, unless your fighter is a perfect sphere.

That missile would be futuretech then, since current tech cannot build a viable light weight fast missile that has IR, Radar, Laser, and Optical guidance systems. If it is modern tech, it flies like crap.

Many missiles are built with multi types of targeting systems, the Adder is a fairly large missile, it relies on small thrusters placed equidistence around the missile body to execute in flight manuvers. ie: The Raptor just shot it's entire missile load since it's not carrying any external ordinance.

And who said anything about 90 degree manuvers?

At those speeds, any maneuver would stress the airframe past its limit. I am saying that even if your aircraft was not destroyed, it probably took damage.

Especially if your aircraft can carry 8 large missiles (which would be heavy), that would tax your airframe more. Once you get past 4 of those big missiles, in-flight maneuvers are much harder for the aircraft to do...

At those speeds, any maneuver would stress the airframe past its limit. I am saying that even if your aircraft was not destroyed, it probably took damage.

Especially if your aircraft can carry 8 large missiles (which would be heavy), that would tax your airframe more. Once you get past 4 of those big missiles, in-flight maneuvers are much harder for the aircraft to do...

Which is why the safties were disabled, we're expecting to have to get a new airplane after each contest due to the wear and tear that is going to be inflicted on it. And given the size of the aircraft the missiles actually make up very little of the total weight. Also the plane is flying with a half tank of gas and not external ordinance, greatly reducing the strain on the aircraft.

OOC: Just a note, most of the things that make the F-28 a great aircraft I'm not including as it makes it too futuristic for this contest, normally the stresses are countered by a low grade inertal dampening unit. (And do not ask me how we managed to aquire it either, if the truth were known there would be a lot of highly irritated people).

bah nm

The AF-100 pilot, noticing all of the missile warning LEDs are on, presses the FULL EVASION button. The Auto-AI takes over, dropping chaffes, flares, and using its IR emitter. It does full evasive maneuvers. It disables the missiles headed towards the AF-100. Noticing that his target is far away now, he sets the AF-100 into closed wing mode, and accelerates to Mach 4 (when he is within range he will open up.)

You do realise that the missiles were launched at the other aircraft don't you. You know, the guy who entered four of the same aircraft against the rules. The Af-100 was only going to be attacked with the Vulcan six-pack.

OOC: No, I didn't.

The pilot begins hard evasive maneuvers, doing an almost instant turn around, pulling Mach 3 under the opposing fighter, doing another hard turnaround, and ending up behind the fighter. "Now I've got you.". He opens up with the Vulcan.

"He's behind us!" "I see him!"
Twisting and turning O'Reilly gradually let the range close, doging tracers the whole time, when the range had closed to only a couple hundred feet he slammed the F-28 Raptor into VTOL mode bringing the plane to a crashing halt as he pulled the nose up and held down the gun trigger.

OOC: My AF-100 wouldnt go that close.

The pilot, seeing the stream of bullets, turns a hard right, seeing the stream of tracers going right by the side of his cockpit. He then turns a hard turnaround, bringing himself face to face with the F-28, and opens up with Vulcans and fires two AMRAAMs.

"Killing the radar, initiating full stealth procedures, maintaining jamming, launching chaff!"
"This is what is comes down to, his missiles are useless with this much jamming and our stealth engaged, and we're out of missiles. Now it's down to guns." O'Reilly thought to himself as he returned the AF-100's two Vulcans with his six, meanwhile bouncing his aircraft around in VTOL flight as much as possible.

I will fight alongside u if u give me milatary units.I would verymuch aprreciate it if u would.

I will fight alongside u if u give me milatary units.I would verymuch aprreciate it if u would.

This is a friendly air contest, not a war, sorry.

OOC: I am not out of missiles. I fired 6 out of 10 :).

The AF-100 pilot, before breaking to try to sneak up on the fighter later, sneaks out 4 ImRec missiles with the vulcan at the F-28, then immediately begins evasive procedures. Once out of range, he goes into Wings Closed mode, and throttles to Mach 4.

OOC: I am not out of missiles. I fired 6 out of 10 :).

The AF-100 pilot, before breaking to try to sneak up on the fighter later, sneaks out 4 ImRec missiles with the vulcan at the F-28, then immediately begins evasive procedures. Once out of range, he goes into Wings Closed mode, and throttles to Mach 4.

OOC: No I'm out, your radar missiles are just negated by a combination of stealth and jamming. Unless you've got some heatseekers up your sleeves.

Flipping the Raptor up on one wing O"Reilly watches as the missiles, lacking anything to lock onto and confused by the jamming streak by on either side. Then as his radar comes back on he pushes the Raptor up to Mach five and begins to close on the AF-100.

OOC: I punched my entire missile load off at some guy and he never bothered to RP again, I'm just slightly annoyed.

OOC: ImRecs arent radar missiles, they are Image Recognition. Also, I thought your top speed was Mach 4. Mach 5 would rip you apart.

OOC: ImRecs arent radar missiles, they are Image Recognition. Also, I thought your top speed was Mach 4. Mach 5 would rip you apart.

OOC: Oh, sorry, nope top speed is over Mach5.

Our IR missiles use a small camera mounted on the front. They cannot be jammed. You will have to either find a way to dodge them (even with VTOL its not easy to dodge a missile) or take the hit... or maybe even shoot them.

Barrel rolling out of the missile's first charge O'Reilly dove for the ground. At the last second he stopped and hovered, his VTOL engines throwing up clouds of dust. Both he and his RIO crossed their fingers as they watched the missiles close on the radar. And then with a streak they went past smashing into the ground. O'Rielly switched to normal flight mode and pushed the F-28 to it's limits in his pursuit of the AF-100.

OOC: How's that? I used the dust cloud to hid in.

Barrel rolling out of the missiles's first charge O'Reilly dove for the ground. At the last second he stopped and hovered, his VTOL engines throwing up clouds of dust. Both he and his RIO crossed their fingers as they watched the missiles close on the radar. And then with a streak they went past smashing into the ground. O'Rielly switched to normal flight mode and pushed the F-28 to it's limits in his pursuit of the AF-100.

OOC: How's that? I used the dust cloud to hide in.

OOC: Since missiles travel at around Mach 4, they would have hit you before you had a chance to go straight towards the ground...

OOC: Since missiles travel at around Mach 4, they would have hit you before you had a chance to go straight towards the ground...

OOC: Not if they missed in the first pass, for once all that weight everyone keeps throwing in my face comes in handy, the F-28 can dive like a rock, by the time the missiles turned around the Raptos was already throwing up clouds of dust. I mean, we're only fighting with a few thousand feet of altitude at this point.

actually, it cant dive like a rock. It will begin to go down, but one of these should happen:

1. Its acceleration will pull it back up again.

2. The stress will rip it apart.

Ahh, but it's in VTOL at the moment, meaning it doesn't have much acceleration, and with only a few thousand feet to the ground it would not take long to get there. And mind you, if I hadn't dealt with that guy who took off, you'd have had eight Adders on your tail, and Image Recognishion is only one of the methods they use to track their targets.

OOC: You can assume he died :/

Ill give you this one :/



The AF-100 pilot, seeing the enemy on his tail, turned on one of the new features of the D and C series of AF-100 fighters, the radar jammer. He flipped the switch in hopes that he disabled the F-28s radar. The pilot then accelerated as fast as the fighter could go and climbed as steeply as he could without rupturing the hull.

"Dammit Dick, all I've got on the scopes is static."
"Sorry Mark, put that jammer he's got there is pretty powerful, if we had another plane we could burn through, but alone..."
"Fine, then lets make sure both of us are equally blind. Kill the radar and our jamming, his radar won't be able to pick us up and with nothing being emmited he can't track us except visually. And now to get down in the dirt and see just how well this camo paint works. Pick up your visual scanning Dick, it's all up to the Mark One eyeball now, and that's where we've got him outnumbered."

The pilot of the AF-100 sees a slight glimmer of something that shouldnt be on the sand. Not wanting to risk getting mowed down by superior guns, he decides to reach his maximum altitude, where it would be extremely difficult to see him.

Also, in an attempt to figure out if that glimmer was the F-28, he turns off the jammer for 20 seconds (which wont give his position, since he will be away when he turns it off) to see if they respond also.

The pilot thinks to himself "If only I had equipped that cluster bomb. I KNEW I should have equipped that cluster bomb. NOOO the flight engineer said. You wont use it the flight engineer said. Bah!"

A glimmer of light catches Dick's eye high up in the sky. "Hey, Mark, I think that's our boy."
"Dammit, if I had even one missile left he'd be toast, but with just guns it would be suicide to attack when he has the altitude advantage."
O"Reilly switches the radio over to the setting for all competing aircraft. "That's some pretty fancy flying there, we're obviously not gonna get anywhere at this rate, and I don't particulary feel like flying around until we both run out of gas. What do you say to one head on pass, winner take all?"

For the first time during the flight, the Attican pilot spoke: "You have the weapon advantage. It would be suicide, especially with your VTOL. This is only a CTOL fighter."

But, the radar message, although short, glimmered a radar blip on the HUD. The computer saved it, and the pilot located them. He began his dive towards the fighter.

"Blast it Mark, he's coming in!!!"
The words of one of Mark's old instructers ran through his mind. "Take em head to head, it's guarrenteed to make novices break and grown men wet their pants, just so long as you don't flinch."
"Punch out Dick, this is gonna get ugly."
"Forget it, you think I'm gonna live so that I have to explain to the general all by myself why you scattered his plane all over the countryside? We're in this together."
"Then hang on, because we're about to see who'll blink first in this game of chicken." With these words O'Reilly put the plane's nose on the rapidly growing dot that was his opponent and kicked in the afterburners. As the two aircraft approached at over Mach 9 he pulled the gun trigger, knowing he'd only have a split second to make the kill.

At the same time, the AF-100 pilot was firing his gun.

The AI LEDs flashed BREAK BREAK BREAK BREAK but the pilot ignored them. He was going to get this kill. While firing, he ordered the computer to turn on radio communications.

"This was supposed to be a harmless simulation. Two fighters crashing is not harmless. To the fighters. I will autoeject before collision. Will you? Do you really want to take the chance that it fails?"

"I'm willing to depend on the strength of my plane's hull should it come to that. The question is, are you?" The reply came as the two planes continued to appraoch, the F-28 still firing as it came.

"Do you really think your hull could withstand a fighter slamming into it at Mach 9 (added speed)? Hah.

The AI LED began to flash EJECT EJECT EJECT

"At this point I don't really care. This fight ends now, one way or the other. The question is, are you willing to lose a perfectly good airplane simply to try and prove a madman wrong?"

"We build many airplanes a day. This one is obsolete by now, with the VTOL version coming out soon."

*The pilot switches on the Auto-Eject switch*

"Hold on Dick, this is it!"

OOC: That doesnt sound right.

The two planes collide. The AF-100 pilot is ejected safely, but the AF-100 is a total loss.

OOC: Is it too late to enter? I'm not too sure when the cut-off time is.

Ell wishes to enter the F/A-21B Sirius in the Naval aircraft category and the CTOL category.

Primary function: Naval strike fighter
Speed: Mach 1.6 cruise, Mach 2.5 max
Thrust: 80,000 pounds

*Supercruise 1.6
*Thrust-vectoring
*Reduced Radar signature (half the size of the F-16)
*Rear facing radar
*Carrier Capable

*Up to 12 AAMs
*Ability to carry up to 4 AIM-254 Super Phoenix missiles on fuselage hardpoints
*The N-014 phased array with electronically-scanned antenna - capable of simultaneous tracking of 40 and engagement of up to 20 targets with a range of 420km against a fighter sized target.

Standard Armaments:

Air Superiority:
4 AIM-254 Super Phoenixes (based on R.L Phoenix)
6 AMRAAMs
2 ASRAAMs (AIM-132)

It is too late for this contest, then again, both contestants just blew up.

The sound of the impact is deafening, after a moment of disorientation O'Reilly ralises that the entire right wing and most of the tail is missing. Fighting the G forces he pulls the eject lever, sending both him and Dick flying from the aircraft. As their chutes open Mark can't help but think that that was a waste of two perfectly good airplanes.

The Attican Pilot walks over to the pilots of the F-28.

"So, who won?"

Mark shook the other pilot's hand. "I think this qualifies as a draw. You were pretty good up there. Want to go discuss it over a couple beers over at the OC?"

"Sure. Jaegermeister? That reminds me, I will have to file a report on that fighter. I am assuming you will be pilots in the 3 on 3 contest?"

Mark nods."That would be us. However the other two you'll be dealing with aren't nearly as crazy, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about."
"You going to join us Dick?"
"If you're buying, sure."
"Of course." He turned back to the other pilot. "Maybe I can get you cleared to take an F-28 for a spin on of these days, you'll never settle for anything else once you've flown one."

OOC: Catch you tomorrow evening.

"And maybe I can get you 'clearance' to fly an AF-100, if you promise not to blow it up."

NOOOOOOOOOO

DAMN LIVING IN BRITAIN, DAMN IT TO HELLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!

I missed it!!!!

I fucking missed it!!!!

Someone's gonna have to give me a game, cos I NEED to take part.

Sigh, I missed it too. If they let us, wanna take me on?

Sure.

I gotta test my MA-10.

But god, him and his fancy VTOL.

Oh well, here goes.......

The MA-10 dives after aerial refueling, straight down, and brakes the sound barrier even though its engines are on half power. It then pulls up, and thrusts towards the airfield.

As it flies over, it performs a perfect Cobra, before banking so fast it turns around in a turning circle less than th length of a 737. It then flies low over the airfield, and engages afterburners, accelerating to Mach 4 while goin up at a 20 degree angle of attack. It then disengages power, adn goes straight up, to 30,000 feet. It stalls at 40,000, and goes straight back down. Engines are engaged when it is going down at just under Mach 1, and it holds, in the air, for a full 20 seconds. It then flips to face down, and performs a loop the loop after levelling out.

"OOOOH YEAH!!!!" yells the pilot. He returns to ase, because he is knackered.

The two F/A-21s begin their test run.

They begin their take-off run and use less than 250m before they pull up into the air.

Gaining altitude at an incredible rate, they break 30,000 ft within a minute, breaking the sound barrier while vertical and without using afterburners.

One of them pulls an S-Split, reversing direction in a matter of seconds. The other uses its thrust-vectoring capabilities to place the plane in a completely stationary position, pointing upwards.

They then enable afterburners, reach Mach 2.8 and head straight up at 90 degrees, hitting 70,000 ft before the engines stall.

To demonstrate their strike capability, they dive and pull up at 1,000ft, and drop their altitudes to a mere 200ft off the ground.

Anyone else want to have a run, I am willing to back up my belief that these new owner designed "super fighters" have lriile advantage over a conventionsal jet.

One on one, I have a General DYnamics Falcon ready (F-16 in USA language)

armament - 2 AIM-9L Sidwinders

One Electronic countermeasures pod on centerline

6 AIM-120 AMRAAM fire and forget missiles.

Sure, I wanna give someone a dogfight.

MA-10 is sure a great aircraft, but only uses ASF roles.

It is in the air again, waiting for a challenge, F-16 or not.

AMRAAM = 48km effective range
Ellan AIM-254 w/thrust vectoring = 220km effective range, plus better manuverability.

The F-16 has only limited BVR ability I think.

*Pretend to know that we were talking about a WW2 Typhoon, and not the Eurofighter....*

Good point but I must point out that the 'conventional' aircraft have been tried and tested in real conflict and tests. Their performance is fact.

The fighters designed on NS have purely speculative performance.

Now while I will admit some of these fighters perform very well in RP and some would probably be sucessful IRL but none of us here are likely to work for BAe or Mcdonel Douglas so I'll just leave the point alone.

Although the aim120 is the f16's primary weapon and is BVR

Anyway onto the RP

Fighting Falcon serial number 5-01 (Squadron five, flight N/A, squadron leader) pulls up ito a regular "VTO" And reaches a holding altitude of 1000m.

OOC: could I have some specs for your fighter

While I was re reading your previouse post I relized a perfect example.

IRL, the HUghs AIM-74 Pheonix has a massive (by IRL standards) of 175 km - effective. Howver it is a huge bulky rocket and is extremely vulnerable to loss of tracking or out maneuvering if detected properly.

What problems have you experienced with your 220+km ranged rocket.

Buy the way, what RP time zone do you use that in, 'current' or 'current with advances'?

Pg 4.

OOC: 11pm here, c u tommorrow

The MA-10:

Country Freedom Country
Manufacturer Muir Aeronautics
Crew Pilot
Armament One internal 27-mm Mauser cannon with 500 rounds per gun plus more than 9000 kg of external stores on seven
hardpoints, including Sidewinder
AA-2
AA-3
AMRAAM
ASRAAM
SkyFlash
Texas Instruments HARM
Hughes AGM-65 Maverick
British Aerospace ALARM
Laser guided bombs like Paveway
Bombs up to 450 kg
MW-1 munitions dispenser
Matra Apache
Nuclear freefall bombs
Power plant 1 x FC F-1000 Hyperengine
Dimensions Length: 16,72 m
Height: 5,95 m
Span: 13,91 m
Wing area: 26,6 sqm
Weights Empty weight: approx. 13890 kg
Max. external load: over 9000 kg
Max. fuel: 4660 kg (5100 kg in RAF and Saudi AF aircraft)
Max. take-off weigth: approx. 28000 kg
Performance Max. speed : 1,452mph (2,336km/h) at 36,000ft (11,000m)
Max. speed : Mach 5.9 at altitude
Max. speed with external stores: Mach 2 (1110 km/h)
Rate of climb: Time to 30000 ft (9150 m) less than 1 min
Take-off field length: 900 m or less
Landing run: 370 m
Ferry range: approx. 3900 km
Radius of action: 1390 km (750 NM) with heavy load, hi-lo-lo-hi
g-limit (g-Limit): + 9,5

The AA-3 uses forward swept wings (wierd on a missile) and thrust vectoring in an all round nozzle, not just up and down. It has a range of 210 km

Judjing by the choice of weapons, this should be good.

How experienced is your pilot.

He is our air show pilot, and has seen action in:

South Canadia
War Games
Jaceria
Level 12 Dog Figh scenario
Wolfish (early prototype)
Test Pilot of the aircraft

Squadron Leader Jonathan 'Little Jonny' Hay

Age: 27

Recently promoted. Has seen action in dogfights in recent war on British Imperialism. Has 1 real combat kill to his name - One BI F-111 Raven Nuclear bomber.

Flight Leader David Smitt

Seen action in previously mentioned theatres.

Has five kills to his name:

2 Tu-160 bombers
3 F-16 fighters

The figher dives down at the F-16, and flies past it at Mach 3, missing it by only 30 metres. It fires gun into space as it goes past.

(We are using painters, okay)

"Shit, Goolgewooper Base, I have a red light. Fuel leak. Please advise." The radio crackled as the Falcon slowed for decent.

OOC: I;ve gott ago. Sorry about that buddy

"Get the hell back on the ground now Jon" Came the reply from the base radio station.

"Sorry about that David, looks like theport wing fuel reserve is leacking. Ironic concidering I've been talkin' about the limitaions of newer fighters...damn it... Gotta go, I won't see ya on the ground, I'm straight back to the carrier. Maybe we can rematch sometime. Telegram the President to arrange an official dogfight if you want. Googlewooper out."

"Okay ma, I will escort you out to the carrier, over."

With that, the MA-10 flies with the plane back to the carrier.

OOC: Just to clear up, I would love to stay, really, I'm not chickening out, but the truth is:

While I am still a NS, RP and aircraft fanatic, I am only 15 YO and...*embarrassed*...have to go to bed. It's 9:30 over here in australia.

Sorry.

*One new AF-100VTOL w/ half-tank launches, full arsenal.*

This time, an MA-12 fighter bomber takes off.

OOC: And...

The MA-12 swoops around a bit, showing off maximum maneuverablility, and does some acrobatics.

It the heads up high for a rendevous with the high KC-135 refueler.

OOC- Sorry, I cant dogfight just now. And besides, I wanna use the MA-10.

The AA-3 uses forward swept wings (wierd on a missile) and thrust vectoring in an all round nozzle, not just up and down. It has a range of 210 km

I thought FSW was only good for subsonic flight?

IC:
The twin F/A-21s clip each other during landing and are damaged. The pilots will have to sit this one out.

OOC: Sorry, no time RL.

(bump)

A pair of F-28 Raptors race down the runway a pull up in the near vertical takeoff that is their trademark. Upon reaching 40,000ft the tower control officer puts in a CD and broadcasts it over the radio. For the next twenty minutes the two planes perform an intricate ballet in time to the music (a mixture of rock, jazz, and techno). They then take station at 50,000ft and wait for the challengers to appear.

The MA-10 rolls up.

Doing its trademark, it takes off, adn climbs VERTICALLY (HA!!!!) to 10,00 feet. It then pulls back, and goes down at 50 degress, UPSIDE DOWN. It continues to dive, until it reaches 1,000 feet, where it rolls over and pulls level, all at Mach 6. It then speeds away, adn climbs to 40,000 feet, on station.

The MA-10 rolls up.

Doing its trademark, it takes off, adn climbs VERTICALLY (HA!!!!) to 10,00 feet. It then pulls back, and goes down at 50 degress, UPSIDE DOWN. It continues to dive, until it reaches 1,000 feet, where it rolls over and pulls level, all at Mach 6. It then speeds away, adn climbs to 40,000 feet, on station.

OOC: Take a look at the eighth post down on page two if you want to see how to really buzz an airfield.

That is not how you buzz an airfield.

Think 6 times as bad as any normal plane with 1 engine, going full sound, over an airfield at Mach 5.

Get the message.

But hey, pretty fancy moves there, but try adn beat the combo of the MA-10 and MA-12.

And believe me, the MA-12 can carry 6 missiles, and the MA-10 can carry 8. And the MA-12 goes Mach 6+

That is not how you buzz an airfield.

Think 6 times as bad as any normal plane with 1 engine, going full sound, over an airfield at Mach 5.

Get the message.

But hey, pretty fancy moves there, but try adn beat the combo of the MA-10 and MA-12.

And believe me, the MA-12 can carry 6 missiles, and the MA-10 can carry 8. And the MA-12 goes Mach 6+

OOC: Sick and tired of everyone and their third cousion twice removed saying how much better their planes are than mine, I am reinstating the optical cloak, the ramjets, and the inertial damping systems on the F-28 that I had removed to level the playing field. You have been warned, prepare to eat to targeting paint. And given the capibilities of the inertial damper I don't want tohear any more complaints about "you can't turn that tight without trashing the plane, etc."

Damn

Oh well, just use IR on the HUD to see where you are.

And mine uses FC superengines, as good as RAMJETS.

And I mant saying my plaen is better than yours, yours seems pretty good.

Yours has damn good features (VTOL, nce engines, maneuverable) and mines has damn ood features (decent pilot, mega fast, nice load capability.

Oh, and a smacking great Chain gun on the side :D .

Damn

Oh well, just use IR on the HUD to see where you are.

.

Please note where I origionally posted the stats that the F-28 comes with a cooling system to help negate it's IR signature and keeps the plane from melting from friction at ramjet speeds.

Nonono!!!

I mean image enhancers. They can see soemthing even with image cloakers.

And IR would still pick up the heat left around the cockpit, engine exhausts (yes, there is till immense heat from the rear of the engines). And besides, all that cloaking leaves a blank IR hole in the sky, which is just as easy to shoot at.

Nonono!!!

I mean image enhancers. They can see soemthing even with image cloakers.

And IR would still pick up the heat left around the cockpit, engine exhausts (yes, there is till immense heat from the rear of the engines). And besides, all that cloaking leaves a blank IR hole in the sky, which is just as easy to shoot at.

But it makes locating, locking on, and hitting such a target very difficult. And most aircraft the F-28 faces don't have such advanced capabilities. On the other hand I can see you just fine.

Yes, but with IR I could see you just fne too.

Besides, you could always modify NVG's just to brightetn things a bit. I could then see the refletcion off of your fighter.

This is getting unfair. I have a fucking huge cannon and speed.

You have Speed, cloaking, maeuverability, VTOL, cushioning....etc

Yes, but with IR I could see you just fne too.

Besides, you could always modify NVG's just to brightetn things a bit. I could then see the refletcion off of your fighter.

This is getting unfair. I have a f--- huge cannon and speed.

You have Speed, cloaking, maeuverability, VTOL, cushioning....etc

Mine's also about twenty years ahead of your, that's the reason I orgionally disabled most of those features. But it got annoying when others started saying their planes were better. Kinda of like if a boxer had a hand and leg tied behind his back, and when the other guy manages to get a draw he starts crowing about how good he is.

And speaking of cannon, 6 20mm Vulcans can really ruin your day.

Think 6 barreled 27mm cannon coupled to 2000 rounds HE belt....

This is getting seriously unfair.

And I didnt say I was better. I tried to compete (and failed)

How about a duel right now? And just to even the odds I'll make it two on one. What do you say?

Eh..... sure.

I'll will still get eaten alive though.....

*Over airbase*

The MA-10 and MA-12 begin to swoop about, and activate all weapons.

O'Rielly watched as his two opponents began to sweep into the attack.
"They've locked on!" He heard Dick his RIO yell. "Activating jammers and initiating antiradar measures."
"Hold off on polerizing the skin for now, let's see what these guys can do first."

The MA-10 opens its bomb bay doors, and launches an AA-2 missile.

This missile uses IR, Visual (as in, it is programmed to follow that blig black thing over there) and radar.

It tracks the plane, and dives on the F-28, using all tracking systems at once. The IR picks up a flare, and tries to tell the missile to go there, but the radar and V tracking disagree, adn on a 2 to 1 vote, continue on the plane. The radar then conks out, due to the jamming and Radar foolers. The V tracking then dives the missile towards the big black thing.

Meanwhile, the MA-12 supercruises up high, adn readies it GAU-15 gun...

"Here it comes, port rear."
"I see it." O'Rielly groaned as he put the F-28 into such a tight turn that even the interial dampers couldn't completely compensate for the Gs being produced, forcing the missile to try and match his turn he watched as it pulled it's turn tighter and tighter as it's nose came up in an attempt to continue tracking. Suddenly it slid across his forward view and he pulled the trigger. In a split second 120 rounds of 20mm shells turned the missile into confettie.
"Okay Dick, let's send them a gift."
"On it, four away, two to a dupe." Two pairs of Adder air-airs dropped out of the internal bombay and lept forward after their targets as their engines engaged.

OOC: 3) Adder air-air missiles with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. It capable of locking on to a target from anywhere between ten feet away to more than eighty miles away

The MA-10 dives and rolls, as the missiles lock on to it. The missile closes to within 3 miles, simply, the guys in the cockpit launch a radar fooling pod. It puffs out over 100 little radar foolers, which mirror the image of the MA-10 2 times per one. All of a sudden, faced with over 200 targets, the missiles radars cant take it anymore, and their little radars just crash, faced with so many targets. The sam happens with chaffs and flares, one of each pod. This sets off 100 little chaffs, all with the intense heat image of an F-16. 2 Missiles, which have switched to IR, dive for one of the chaffs. That leaves 2. ECM pulses about, adn this totally confuses the second missile, which can be targeted from 5 miles away by the ECM beacon. The MA-10 then dives, adn afterburns, accelerating to Mach 7. This means it could outrun a tomahawk, let alone an A-t-A missile. It dives, and as the Adder dives, it pulls out under it. This leaves the missile facing nothin, adn the visual beaconing and laser tracking are lost.

With the F-28 moving relatively straight, the MA-12 fighter bomber dives, chain un blazing, from 1 mile away. It dives down towards the roof of the F-28, shells zingin about it, and the tracers are getting very close.....

"He's getting awfully close with those shots Mark."
"Wait for it, wait for it, now!" O'Rielly slammed the F-28 into VTOL mode, bringing the plane to a crashing halt and he watched as the MA-12 unable to pull out of it's dive flashes in front of him as he pulls the trigger.

The shells 'hit' the rear of the plane, damaging it, but not crashing it. Teh rest pass behind. The MA-12 brings the fighter up again, using tight thrust vectoring, adn go up at the F-28 from the bottom.

While this is happening, the MA-10 launches another AA-2

(And btw, this missile only follows its programmed target, and nothing else. Changing targets is not programmed into it, so flares dont work. This way, it wont hit the MA-12)

OOC- You do know we're using paint in these shells and missiles right?

"Here comes another one!"
"I see it, give him something to think about, going evasive."
As another Adder launches O'Reilly pops the cover off a switch and flips the switch. There is a sudden roaring sound as the ramjets kick in, accelerating the F-28 to mach 9, at this low an altitude the friction produced begins to make the leading edges of the wings glow, causing a streak of white to race across the sky.
"We've lost it!"
O'Reilly quickly shut down the ramjets and turned the F-28 around, hunting for a target for his guns.
"Hey Dick, where's that missile?"

OOC- You do know that the MA-12 was coming up from the bottom, strafing. It would have hit as you were launching the adder.

IC - The MA-10 Dived straight down, from 20,000 feet. This accelerated the plane to mach 7. This would normally lose a missile anyway, but this time the MA-10 puffed out chaff adn radar confusers, while aiming ECM at the missile.

The MA-12 wen supersonic, while still going up, accelerating to Mach 5. He aimed an AA-2 missile at the F-28, as well as a AA-3, ultra speed, ultra range missile.

"Mark, they're trying to lock us up."
"Initiate optical stealth. Variable camo mode, that should screw up any optics they've got on us, and flood those radio waves, make sure they can't talk to each other."
"On it, they're blind."
"Now let's see how they like a little lead coming their way."

On its way up, the MA-12 notices the F-28 dissapearing. The pilots flicks down his IR goggles, adn can clearly see the F-28's engine heat in glorious IR, and can see a big IR void, with no IR anywhere. Aiming the chain gun, he fires in front of the engine plume, at the IR void, the tracers are heaing right for it.

Meanwhile, the MA-10 has to bug out to refuel, and the AA-3 missile coats by, having lost optics and radar.

The AA-3 is sill following, unfooled by chaffs, It goes for the fighter, 10 seconds away.

"It's still on us Mark."
"Damn, alright, we've got one missile left use it. Then I'm activating the cooling system and gunning this sucker down."
The internal bomb bay open and the missile comes down on a rail that flips the missile backwards, with a flash of flame it launches, homing in on the missile threatening the F-28.

The missile, programmed to do this type of thing, dives very low, so the other missile goes over it, with no time to spare. It comes up from underneath the plane, where you cant see it, adn dives for the engine plumes. The auto detonate should blow it.

(OOC: You dont really know its there, and you were unlucky there. It is programmed to dive and come in from under anyway, it has got any evasio drills programmed into it!!!!)

The missile, programmed to do this type of thing, dives very low, so the other missile goes over it, with no time to spare. It comes up from underneath the plane, where you cant see it, adn dives for the engine plumes. The auto detonate should blow it.

(OOC: You dont really know its there, and you were unlucky there. It is programmed to dive and come in from under anyway, it has got any evasio drills programmed into it!!!!)

OOC: The F-28 doesn't have blind spots, they're all coverd by cameras, see the earlier posting.

IC: "We missed, it's coming in from below!"
O'Rielly threw the Raptor into a hard turing dive and booted the after burners, sending the F-28 racing for the ground at breakneck speed. He watched as the missile looped and began gain again, at the last possible moment he pulled up, only feet from the ground and watched as the missile impacted the soil.
"OK, that is the absolutly last chance they get to shoot at us. Lets see how they like a taste of our Vulcan six-pack."
O'Rielly pulled the nose of the F-28 up and racing in at over Mach 5 he centered the gunsight on the offending MA-12 and pulled the trigger.

OOC: Stop trying man.... you turned and dived INTO my missile....

And it was like, 10 metres away

10m = 0.0001 of a second

The tracers roll up the right hand side of the MA-12 going over the plane, another AA-2 is fired down and about 15 rounds, before the MA-12 rolls left away from the tracers.

The MA-10 also dives down , going for the F-28 as it slows coming up.

OOC-A turning dive. You know, it forces the missile to overshoot, and they were watching it come in the whole way, so they'd know when to go evasive. And what the heck is it tracking with anyway?

IC: "Here they come!"
The nose seeming to explode into fire the F-28's six Vulcans opened fire.

The MA-12 is smattered with paint, and it pulls out, 'dead' in the competition. The AA-2 missile is still hurtling towards the F-28, adn the MA-10 fires 2 AA-2 missiles withing 10 seconds of each other.

It also opens fire with its chain gun, very unaccurately, but arking towards the F-28.

OOC: Thought he'd left to refuel?

IC: "Damn, its more of those uber missiles."
"Let's see how they like hedgehopping."
O'Rielly took the F-28 down to only a few feet off the ground, at these speeds his entire concentration was taken up with avoiding hitting anything, over houses, down tree lined roads, and inbetween hillsides the F-28 rocketed in it's efforts to evade the incoming missiles.

OOC: Here's the full stats for the F-28, just to clear up any confusion.

F-28 Raptor (Atmospheric air superiority and ground support fighter)- The twin tail finned Raptor is designed to be faster, more maneuverable, more capable of taking damage, and more heavily armed than anything else flying. Though it’s primary function is to shoot down enemy aircraft, it is a more than capable ground support aircraft. Equipped with advanced stealth systems and weapons, most opponents never know what hit them.

Weapons:
(Note: all weapons except the Vulcan gatling cannon are housed in an internal weapons bay to reduce the plane’s radar signature and improve airflow.)
1) Six 20mm Vulcan gatling cannon each capable of 6,000 rounds a minute firing depleted uranium shells.
2) Five hundred, thousand, and two thousand pound bombs unguided (With optional smart (read: guided) capability).
3) Adder air-air missiles with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. It capable of locking on to a target from anywhere between ten feet away to more than eighty miles away (This missile is capable of outrunning and outmaneuvering almost any target, it never misses).
4) Clusterbomb dispersal unit (Exact type varies with target).
5) Shark air-ground missile, with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. Used for destroying tanks and other armored vehicles and structures.
6) Tracker anti-radar missile. Used to destroy SAM and AAA sites.
7) Napalm/FAE (Fuel Air Explosive).
8 ) Trailblazer cruise missile, a low level terrain following missile with passive stealth systems, it is capable of destroying targets hundreds of miles away with pinpoint accuracy.

Equipment:
1) VTOL (Vertical Take Off and Landing) capability (This combined with multiple maneuvering jets located around the Raptor allow for maneuvers previously believed impossible, the Raptor is capable of going from mach 5 to a dead stop in under two seconds, a nasty surprise for tailgaters).
2) Radar stealth systems (This includes the Raptor’s already low radar signature with radar absorbent material and active radar reflection).
3) Optical stealth systems (The skin of the Raptor is capable of being polarized to perfectly match it’s surroundings, this system also controls the display of markings as opposed to having them painted on).
4) Extremely low infrared signature (This is achieved through a cooling system as well as placement of the engines).
5) 20,000+ mile range with optional air-air refueling capability.
6) 35,000+ pound bombload.
7) Maneuvering jets (Small jets located around the Raptor, in conjunction with the VTOL system they give the Raptor unparalleled maneuverability).
8 ) Ducted twin jet engines (With a cruising speed of mach 3.2 and capable of mach 5 in full afterburner, there is nothing flying that can catch it).
9) Ramjets (Used at high altitude they are capable of propelling the Raptor up to mach 9. At low altitude they can only reach mach 7 due to air resistance, and then only for a short time because of excessive heat due to air friction).
10) Radar system capable of detecting and identifying enemy aircraft out to five hundred miles.
11) Bubble canopy (Provides excellent all around visibility, the few blind spots are covered by high definition cameras).
12) Cooling system (This serves the duel purpose of reducing the infrared signature of the Raptor and preventing excessive heat build up during ramjet flight).
13) Radar detection system (Used to detect enemy radar).
14) Low-grade inertial damper
15) Redundant backups for all critical systems.
16) Armored cockpit (Capable of withstanding even a direct missile hit).
17) Chaff and flare dispensers.
16) Radio and radar jamming systems.

The missile hops over the fighter , keeping up with it perfectly. It lost IR track only a few times, bt regained it.

OOC: Here is the flight plan of an AA-2 missile.

Gets launched. Closes in on target traditionally. Goes over targets flight line, up to 400ft above the enemy. Dives down for closing in. Hops under the enemy, coming up from under. Detonates 2 stage warhead. 1st stage sends shrapnel into fighter. Second stage detonates in hole left by shrapnel.

"Hey Mark, I hate to ruin your day, but it's still back there."
"Damn, damn, damn. Alright, radio the base, we're five miles out and closing fast, tell them to open hanger six, bothsides, and hang on."
O'Reilly slammed on the ramjets and punched another button. Suddenly the stick went slack in his hands as the computer blithly began to follow the course inputed into it's memory banks, heedless of the fact that the F-28 was passing Mach 8 and speeding up. O'Rielly gritted his teeth, hating to give control over to the computer but knowing that he didn't have the reactions needed for the planned maunver.

Oh no.....

The missile make an attack dive, knowing that there are no obsatcles to stop it. It dives under the fighter....

Oh no.....

The missile make an attack dive, knowing that there are no obsatcles to stop it. It dives under the fighter....

Just how fast can this thing go?, and the F-28 is only feet above the ground, if it tries to dive under it's going to crater.

It can go Mach 6, so its losing. It is like, 2 feet off the ground here, it is cutting up blades of grass, it begins its final climb, adn thrusts all its power in the final run....

It can go Mach 6, so its losing. It is like, 2 feet off the ground here, it is cutting up blades of grass, it begins its final climb, adn thrusts all its power in the final run....

OOC: So your saying that's it's both climbing and falling behind? In that case how can it hope to hit?

Cos it is now burning all its fuel in a desperate last dash. It is gaining on the fighter, and is readying stage 1 blast.

"Purge the tanks!" O'Rielly thinks in a sudden burst of inspiration. Fuel cascades down from the F-28 for a second, filling the air with a gasious vapor that is detonated by the missile's exaust. A loud detonation occurs, the entire plane shakes.
"Mark, I've got red lights across the board, the cooling system is shot and temp warnings are coming up all over, we've got to slow down."
"Already on it." O'Rielly said as he pulled back on the throttle. He goes to pull back on the stick to gain some altitude only to realise to his horror that the computer still has control. His face goes white as the airfield hanger comes into view. He dares not turn the computer off at this point and the F-28 races through the hanger, which collapses behind them from the force of the passage. As O'Reilly regains control of the planes he looks around realising that there's still another opponent out there somewhere.

*The Attican AF-100VTOL takes off*

"Mark, there's one just lifting off."
"I see him, he's a sitting duck."
The F-28 came around guns blazing at the AF-100VTOL as it hung there nearly motionless.

Just as the F-28 began firing, the AF-100 pilot decided to accelerate, turn on his main computer. When he looked at his radar screen, he said "oh fuck."

The AF-100 went into wings closed mode and went full throttle.

"Oh no you don't." O'Reilly said as he pushed down on the rudder pedal to keep the gunpip on the target.

OOC: He saw a stealth on his radar?

OOC Full throttle on my bird means Mach 4. You can reach mach 4 also, but you CANT launch missiles or fire guns at those speeds (it would cause massive airflow disruptions, knocking the missile into you. The bullets would fire correctly, either.

OOC2: If you are within range to fire on me, I can see you. Plus, on attack fighters, stealth means diddly in real life, as there is far too much tactical chatter. In simulations, you move so much you disrupt the radar waves too much, some WILL bounce back. That is why stealth superiority fighters are useless nearly.

"Ok, let's try the old alley oop."
O"Rielly sped up in an attempt to bring his wing directly under his opponent's and thereby create enough lift that the wing shot up, rolling the plane.

OOC: They actually used to do this with the old V-1s

OOC2 I know my WW2 history.

OOC3 Umm, how did you speed up faster than my fighter?

OOC2 I know my WW2 history.

OOC3 Umm, how did you speed up faster than my fighter?

OOC: Mach 5 in after burner. And just a heads up the F-28 is back at full power after some rather irritating remarks made about it's actual effectiveness. See one of the above for info.

OOC: Wouldnt that make it futuristic?

OOC2: How quickly can your jet STOP compared to mine?

OOC: Wouldnt that make it futuristic?

OOC2: How quickly can your jet STOP compared to mine?

OOC: If I drop everything (ie: Kill the throttle, drop the landing gear, airbrakes, go VTOL etc.) about 2-3 seconds, but it's not a nice ride even with the inertial damper and isn't advised unless absolutly necessary.

The AF-100 pilot enables the automatic AI, which attempts to stabilize the fighter Gyroscopically. The process takes about 1.5 seconds. The pilot then aims his vulcans on the F-28 which is in front on him, and fires.

As the enemy plane comes to a shuddering stop O'Rielly hauled back on the control stick to avoid running up it's tailpipe.
"I guess thats what we get for tail gateing Dick."
He continued to pull the F-28 through a full loop at the bottom of which he saw his enemy sitting there minus AAA (Airspeed, Altitude, Awareness.)
A gleam of revenge in his eyes O'Reilly lined up and pulled the trigger.

OOC: If you flipped me, that means i slowed down (drag), therefore, you are in FRONT of me.

OOC: If you flipped me, that means i slowed down (drag), therefore, you are in FRONT of me.

OOC: But you never said I actually flipped you, and at this altitude there would be an ecellent chance of cratering. I assumed we'd left off as the F-28 was gaining.

OOC: Then ignore me stopping.


The pilot, radar showing the plane gaining fast, turns on AI evasion procedures. The AI takes the plane out of its climb, into a hard fall, below the enemy fighter. It then turns on VTOL mode, and points the fighter at the enemy, fires 2 ImRecs, and waits.

"Hit the optical stealth, commence jamming, I'm coming around for another pass."
O'Rielly watched as the missiles streaked by, completly fooled by thepolarized skin. Once again he saw his enemy before him, seemingly a sitting duck as he pulled the trigger.

The aircraft, still in AI mode, simultaneously fired 2 heatseeking missiles, and dodged the bullets (VTOL). The aircraft then, using IR sensors, fired vulcans at the large heat source known as the F-28. It stored its location repeatedly in case it was blinded.

"Dumping flares, get him Mark, I don't think she can take much more of this kind of beating." Dick said as he glanced at the red light burning across his board from damage recieved in the earlier battle.

O'Reilly's eyes narrowed as he simultaniously stood the F-28 up on one wing to avoid the missiles while still keeping the gun pip on target.

OOC: Are you using painters?

OOC: Yes, the damage was sustained under rather odd circumstances, check a couple posts back from where you came in tonight.

"Dumping flares, get him Mark, I don't think she can take much more of this kind of beating." Dick said as he glanced at the red light burning across his board from damage recieved in the earlier battle.

O'Reilly's eyes narrowed as he simultaniously stood the F-28 up on one wing to avoid the missiles while still keeping the gun pip on target.

The AF-100 AI fires 2 IR/Radar (uses both) at the F-28.

OOC What altitude are we at?

OOC: one of the reasons Grimdalian pilots are so willing to take damage is that the F-28 is built with the same concepts in mind as the old Grumman 'Iron Works' in which a plane is built with the full expectation that it's going to take a whole lot of damage and keep flying. Since the pilots know this they rarely hesitate to take damage if it means they can hit the target or complete the mission.

The AF-100 AI fires 2 IR/Radar (uses both) at the F-28.

OOC What altitude are we at?

OOC: 5,000 feet max, and don't you think we're a little close for missiles given the F-28 is engaging with guns and appraoching fast?

OOC: If you are closing fast, you will find it harder to dodge missiles. Oh, if only i had equipped dumbfires. Did the hit you?

O'Reilly watched as two of the missiles nosedived into the ground, their sensors completely overwhelmed by the intensive jamming, another failing to obtain either an IR or a radar lock wandered off aimlessly and the last one detonated as it impacted an especially tight cluster of flares.

OOC: Still closing with guns blazing.

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Switching to manual mode AND IR HUD mode, the Attican pilot begins blazing his guns AND lifting as fast as possible in VTOL mode, hoping the enemy fighter will underpass him (you are very close now, and going very fast).

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O'Reilly pulls back on the stick and chops the throttle back causing the nose of the F-28 to rise rapidly, the six 20mm cannon beating out a pattern of death to all in their path.

OOC: Johnmerica.... ignored.


OOC2: Grimdale, wouldnt that literally RIP your fighter apart, pointing up so fast at such a high speed (throttle doesnt matter when you are already going really fast.)

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You cant just say boom, that means you state casualties for me. I dont remember you even having a fighter involved, or being near the conflict (my radar would detect that i think.)

OOC: The inertial dampner, doesn't just protect the crew, it relieves a lot of the stress on the air frame, plus he didn't exactly try for a 90 degree pull up.

Johnmerica, i'll take you on. Leave these two out of it for now.

The rules:

1) NO ridiculous shielded aircraft, massive numbers of missiles, or fantastic speeds.

2) No live ammunition.

3) Max altitude 5000ft, minimum separation 10ft.


I will field a StealthHawk UCAV piloted using ANTARES system from the ground.


The StealthHawk takes off, and waits for the Johnmeican plane to arrive.

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The AF-100, being vulnerable for a moment, takes 4 painter shots on the wing. The damage would have been insignifigant, and is ignored (that part of the wing at least.) Since the enemy fighter is now picking up a lot of dust, and is very close to the AF-100, the AF-100 fires off 1 ImRec towards the dust cloud in hopes of hitting it.

Being a stealth fighter doesnt mean you cant be seen, it means your harder to see. And if you fired missiles, that means you either had pylons, which means i can see you, or, you opened your bay, which means i would have seen you. And since the AI was on IR mode, I can see you either way, you still give off infrared light.

OOC- You firing at me or him?

OOC: You.

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The UCAV distorts itself, turning nearly 90 degress whilst travelling at over Mach 1, before rolling out climbing above all three fighters.

OOC: You.

O'Rielly watches as the missile slams into the tip of one of the tail fins. Deciding that the damage done would be minor he continued to manuver, taking shots at whatever flew in front of him.

The AF-100, seeing the image clearly in IR mode, uploads tracking info to an IR missile, and fires it (note, it will miss if you move).

THe UCAV levelled off at 4950 feet, before rolling onto its back, and pulling up (down), diving towards the dogfight below, gathering speed all the time. In the nose, small panels opened up revealing twin 30-mm tri-barrelled cannon.

Elliot steered the gun pipper over the craft painted in Attican colours, and squeezed the trigger gently.

Kicking the F-28 back into motion O'Rielly began to line up on his origional target again, pulling the trigger as it once again appeared in his gun sights.

50 simultated rounds were fired at the Attican AF-100 before Elliot pulled the UCAV out of its dive, barrel rolled, and hedge-hopped round behind the Grimdale craft.

An ominous vibration began to be felt throughout of the F-28's airframe.
"Mark, we've got a problem, between that explosion and some of your more unorthadox manuvers the planes structure has sustained severe damage. I've got what looks like hairline cracks all along the area where the explosion took place, and they're steadily getting bigger, I think we must have caught a bigger chunk of that missile than we thought."
"Will she hold togeather until we can land Dick?"
"Don't know, but I'd suggest we get this bird on the ground now. And don't go to VTOl, I don't think it could take the extra strain right now."
"OK, here we go."

O'Reilly nosed the jet downwards, cutting the thrust back to the minimum necessary to remain airborne.
"THIS IS RAPTOR ONE, I AM DECLARING AN INFLIGHT EMERGENCY, PLEASE CLEAR THE RUNWAY AND HAVE CRASH VEHICLES STANDING BY."

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50 simultated rounds were fired at the Attican AF-100 before Elliot pulled the UCAV out of its dive, barrel rolled, and hedge-hopped round behind the Grimdale craft.Locked on to UCAV, armed with medium-range missile, leveled with UCAV, citgo one fox 2!(I fired that means)

OK so you locked onto a stealth UCAV travelling vertically and fired??

IC: The UCAV suddenly breaks out of attack formation, and Elliot pulls it in close to the Grimdale plane, escorting it to the runway.

(OOC: Johnmerica, count this as a knock it off until Grimdale has landed)

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The AF-100 takes a few hits in its semi-tail (its a little stub) but easily survives. It turns and fires 1 more ImRec at the Johnmerica aircraft.

Then, it turns on radio: "This is the Attica fighter. We request permission from the other pilots to land, rearm, refuel, and repair."

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O'Reilly watched as the UCAV pulled up alongside, grateful for the company. The controls had been getting steadily harder to manage, a problem that had only been increased when he'd dropped the landing gear. Just as he entered the final approch the port engine gave a sudden crash-rattle that indicated something had gotten sucked in, most likely one of the thousands of shell fragment still floating to earth, or possibly a piece of the plane had broken off. Fighting to keep the nose from dipping down he simultaniously pulled back on the stick, killed the dead engine before it could burst into flames, and firewalled the remaining throttle in a desperate effort to keep the plane in the air. Slamming into the runway the already strained suspension collapsed under a load far beyond it's design tolerence. Skidding and spitting sparks the F-28 skidded down the tarmac, finally coming to a rest sideways. As the crash trucks rolled up O'Rielly and Dick bailed out of the plane. What had once been a top of the line fighter was now a battered, charred, paint splattered wreck.

"Damn, at this rate you're going to have more F-28 kills than enemy." Dick said to Mark.

The AF-100 pilot went into VTOL mode, and landed near the F-28 wreck.

"You guys are good at destroying aircraft, aren't you."

NM - this took like 15 minutes to post!

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OOC: Why would you be going down... i shot you with a painter missile... all it does it bounce off and record a hit and you are out of the game.

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The AF-100 pilot went into VTOL mode, and landed near the F-28 wreck.

"You guys are good at destroying aircraft, aren't you."

::Shrugs:: "There's always plenty more where that one came from. From what I can tell the explosion put several holes in the fuselage that the sensors didn't pick up. Along with the heat damage from low altitude ramjet flight and some of the stunts I pulled it was just too much for the frame. I still would have gotten it down in one piece if something hadn't trashed the port engine on final approach."

Damn

You would be sooooo dead if I hadnt left last night.

I launched 2 AA-2 missile, one behind the other. One was destroyed, the oher would have followed you all the way.....

Damn

You would be sooooo dead if I hadnt left last night.

I launched 2 AA-2 missile, one behind the other. One was destroyed, the oher would have followed you all the way.....

Nope, blew it up with a fuel dump, big boom.

There were 2 missiles launched

1 was launched straight away, the other was launched 10 seconds later, programmed to hold back.

There were 2 missiles launched

1 was launched straight away, the other was launched 10 seconds later, programmed to hold back.

Would have lost the second one when I blew through the hanger.

It was hanging behind until the path was clear.....

::We are sorry for interrupting these battle alerts::

The Bakshiveck Union has decided to watch the mock air battle.

Several representatives and analysts from my homeland aerospace defense companies would like to watch the mock air battle to learn about the physics, make changes to our own maneuvers and etc. We will sit quietly and watch now. :wink:

Ok

The MA-10 fighter taxies to the runway, and takes off again, climbing vertically, rolling over, and diving along the runway at Mach 6

Happy?

OOC: FC, Mach 6 at low level would be near impossible. The SR-71 couldn't reach Mach 3 at low level.


IC: The UCAV landed, and was refueled, as well as being armed with 6 mock MASRAAMs and two MAMRAAMs on hardpoints underneath.

Elliot was ready for round 2.

Yeah air combat!

The MA-10 sure can.

A) It was in a dive
B) I use F-1001 Hyperengnes, 2 of them. These use 3 fans instead of 1
C) I have swell plane R&D

The MA-10 sure can.

A) It was in a dive
B) I use F-1001 Hyperengnes, 2 of them. These use 3 fans instead of 1
C) I have swell plane R&D

A) Fair enough, but right into the ground? Its very hard to manouver at those speeds.
b) Well whoop-de-doo for you. That stil doesn't make it that much faster, nor does it overcome drag. It just increases weight and fuel economy.
c)Swell enough to stop teh plane from melting. You know, like how the shuttle heats up. Well Mach 6 at anything below about 10,000 ft (i guess) woudl superheat the wings and joints, trigger warheads on missiles etc.

It would slow with missiles at that height. Plus they are in a bomb bay.

The engines were a crazy idea :D

I use a plastic Composite, with Ti/C and Carbon Fibre pigments. Wont melt at anything short of a shuttle reentry.

It would slow with missiles at that height. Plus they are in a bomb bay.

The engines were a crazy idea :D

I use a plastic Composite, with Ti/C and Carbon Fibre pigments. Wont melt at anything short of a shuttle reentry.

But would be ridiculously expensive, and would still be hot enough to melt anything inside without LOTS of insulation. Oh, and once again, if its going Mach 6 in a dive, how do you pull up??? Its just going to be a very expensive lawn dart.

It pulls up using little fibre bits that pop up. Thses fibre bits remove the need for stabilisers. These move in such a way that they can move a high speed aircraft, reduce drag, and let the thingy pull up, with minum friction.

And the whole thing is coated in the Plastic Composite

Ti/C Alloy is stronger. And Ti/C is Titanium/Carbon Fibre alloy, no need to say C and Carbon Fibre. The only reason you would use plastic is if you want to remove the *shine*, which we do by dull paint (or RAM).

Ti/C is very strong, very resiliant, very heat resistant, and very expensive (unless made in huge quantities, which is difficult.

It pulls up using little fibre bits that pop up.

And snap off? The aircraft would have to turn very slowly, or the pilot would black out from the g-forces, which in a dive is a bad thing.