Romanian Medical Breakthrough!
After Romania was gassed by the cowardly forces of Russia, many people survived unharmed. So after taking DNA samples from these individuals and running extensive tests the protein compound that provides resistance to VX gas that these individuals possesed has been isolated. All citizens of Romania have been rendered immune to the effects of the gas, and development of a version for use on wildlife is underway. The same proceedure is underway for other gases including Sarin, Mustard, Chlorine and several more.
Also, this will be shared with several people for no charge:
Omz222
Dark Terror
G2
All my puppets
Walten
Ferussia
Abu-Dhabi Khristatata
If you want it ask me and maybe I'll help you out.
If you are going to fight RF having this is a good idea
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but this is actually possible, some people are naturally immune to certain things. So if you find those people, viola.
imported_Skepticism
13-09-2003, 03:19
OOC: This strikes me as Godmoddy. Is there any evidence that anyone at all can actually survive exposure to nerve gas? Not to my knowledge; the way it operates doesn't have anything to do with genetics, but rather the actions of an enzyme, which, if it worked any other way, would not allow you to live.
And are you suggesting that you managed to use genetic medicine (can't remember what it is really called, when you use a virus to insert "healthy" genes) on your entire population without a hitch, despite the fact that it hasn't panned out yet ever in RL?
How many people have been gassed by VX in real life? There goes that argument. And considering that I was gassed about 3 months ago RL, I have had plenty of time to do this.
This is no more godmoddy than people using magic, claiming to have elves, leprechauns, skavens, and whatever the hell else living in their countries. And do you plan to gas me soon? Unless you do YOU SHOULDN'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS
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There is a probability most of your population would come out half retarded.
Then I could call my country "Sniper Country"!
Look, deal with it or leave. I don't give a flying fuck either way.
Just get some gas masks like Israel, problem solved :roll:
Anhierarch
13-09-2003, 03:28
Immunity and resistance to biological agents? Perhaps.
Immunity to chemical agents? Woah. Maybe you have HCl proof people as well.
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There is a probability most of your population would come out half retarded.
Then I could call my country "Sniper Country"!
Look, deal with it or leave. I don't give a flying fuck either way.Yes,you could call yourself Sniper Country. If you haven't noticed, insults, well, don't insult me. I am simply pointing out the faults in your supposed thinking, which it doesn't look like you have done any of. But hey, I'm half retarded.
like you did SOOOOO much research on your plane's electronics?
imported_Skepticism
13-09-2003, 03:32
This is no more godmoddy than people using magic, claiming to have elves, leprechauns, skavens, and whatever the hell else living in their countries. And do you plan to gas me soon? Unless you do YOU SHOULDN'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS
You don't seem to understand what exactly Godmodding is. Sure they have elves, Skaven (that guy was actually pretty good), Orcs, etc. But the technology of these races are either
1. Compatible with modern tech
2. Middle Ages
3. Weird, but that's OK since they only RP with each other anyway
On the other hand, you are a human, modern tech nation that RP's with the vast majority of the population of NS. Therefore you must follow the rules applying to human, modern nations, and what Elves or whatnot do is irrelevant.
This is from UNC:
#5) Nerve gas works by inactivating acetylcholinesterase.
So when you contract a muscle, then it keeps on contracting,
and you are paralysed, can't breathe and die.
Each (small) molecule of nerve gas can permanently knock out an entire molecule of acetylcholinesterase, thereby preventing those hundreds of thousands of molecules per second from being destroyed. A tiny drop will kill you.
Nerve gas affects the enzyme destroys the compound which froms neural connections for very short periods of time, during which signals are sent to the brain (and back). If that compound is not destroyed, messages are sent continuously, causing vision to fail, muscles to clench, lungs to fail (diaphragm doesn't work properly), all the way up to brain failure as it is assaulted with this bizzare mix of information which it does not understand; it can literally short-circuit your nervous system.
So how the hell do you become immune? That's the first question -- how can anyone become immune in the first place.
Dark Terror: Gas helmets don't do jack against nerve gas; it can kill via skin contact almost as well.
Look, deal with it or leave. I don't give a flying fuck either way.
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Ah yes good old window duck taping.
imported_Skepticism
13-09-2003, 03:37
Look, deal with it or leave. I don't give a flying fuck either way.
That is not an acceptable response, if you want people to accept this. If all you are going to do is immaturely curse at the facts, you are IGNORED.
Look, deal with it or leave. I don't give a flying fuck either way.
That is not an acceptable response, if you want people to accept this. If all you are going to do is immaturely curse at the facts, you are IGNORED.
No, I'm just sick of your constant nagging, whining, complaining, and etc.
imported_Skepticism
13-09-2003, 03:39
FR: Yes, exactly like that.
Skep: Yes, but you don't have to worry about the paralyzed part with VX- you will probably break your own back with all the convulsions. :o
Eahh...even worse than I thought. Not a pleasant substance by any means. And you may not know that VX is made by the same process as most US insecticides -- they are in the same chemical family. Sort of creepy, isn't it?
Skep: Yes, but you don't have to worry about the paralyzed part with VX- you will probably break your own back with all the convulsions. :o
Seen the rock have you?
Skep: Yes, but you don't have to worry about the paralyzed part with VX- you will probably break your own back with all the convulsions. :o
Seen the rock have you?
OOC:
So cant someone develop a resistance to nerve gas cells?
Im not claiming to be an expert here, just asking.
imported_Skepticism
13-09-2003, 03:41
Look, deal with it or leave. I don't give a flying fuck either way.
That is not an acceptable response, if you want people to accept this. If all you are going to do is immaturely curse at the facts, you are IGNORED.
No, I'm just sick of your constant nagging, whining, complaining, and etc.
I'm sick of having to call to your attention the enormous number of facts you conveniently decide not to pay attention to, especially when you turn to bizarre digressions and cursing the instant you meet any resistance. I am sick of people who do not think before they post, "Is this feasible by any means? If other people will think it isn't feasible, do I have a method which I can argue? Are the benefits worth arguing over if someone(s) opposes it?" and so on.
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i wrote a paper about anthrax
Anhierarch
13-09-2003, 03:43
FR: Yes, exactly like that.
Skep: Yes, but you don't have to worry about the paralyzed part with VX- you will probably break your own back with all the convulsions. :o
Eahh...even worse than I thought. Not a pleasant substance by any means. And you may not know that VX is made by the same process as most US insecticides -- they are in the same chemical family. Sort of creepy, isn't it?
So, The Rock was accurate about VX?
something that they conviently left out of the rock:
it takes VX about 60 minutes to take effect, not 10 seconds
FR: Yes, exactly like that.
Skep: Yes, but you don't have to worry about the paralyzed part with VX- you will probably break your own back with all the convulsions. :o
Eahh...even worse than I thought. Not a pleasant substance by any means. And you may not know that VX is made by the same process as most US insecticides -- they are in the same chemical family. Sort of creepy, isn't it?
So, The Rock was accurate about VX?
not entirely
imported_Skepticism
13-09-2003, 03:44
OOC:
So cant someone develop a resistance to nerve gas cells?
Im not claiming to be an expert here, just asking.
There are no such thing as nerve gas cells. You would have to have some method of destroying the transmitter compound -- some sort of "alternative" acetylcholinesterase lying around. Which means that your body would have to have the capacity to make entire other enzyme(s), which is highly unlikely, given the complexity of each enzyme, and how specific their tasks are. The trick with nerve gas is that it lets a natural part of your body kill it.
imported_Skepticism
13-09-2003, 03:45
something that they conviently left out of the rock:
it takes VX about 60 minutes to take effect, not 10 seconds
Depends on concentration, as well as whether your breathe or absorb it. It is entirely possible to die almost instantly if you take a deep breath of the stuff, or at least start dying via asphyxiation.
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something that they conviently left out of the rock:
it takes VX about 60 minutes to take effect, not 10 seconds
Depends on concentration, as well as whether your breathe or absorb it. It is entirely possible to die almost instantly if you take a deep breath of the stuff, or at least start dying via asphyxiation.
Gas masks are wonderful...
i was thinking of the liquid version, in the rock aren't they liquid then they break and turn into gas? And it's clear, not green. You'd need a full body suit to survive it. And you wanted an answer about how you stop it? Just prevent it from bieng able to lock onto cells.
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Western Asia
13-09-2003, 04:05
I have to agree to a certain extent with the criticisms, but I'll try to explain why it's difficult to work against chemicals and organic chemicals (ie, Neurotoxins).
Basically, Chlorine and other gasses of that family will break apart any molecule that it comes into contact with (which it can break apart, some polymer systems and many crystalline structures are resistant...unfortunate humans are made of a scarcity of those material formations)...if that's a bit of DNA or a critical component of a cell wall then it'll act on that as well. The gasses in that category, basically poison gasses, are easily dealt with in most cases with gas masks and (for some chemicals) body isolation suits with SCBAs (Self-Contained Breathing Apparatuses).
Neurotoxins, on the other hand, are much nastier. Thanks to the small volumes and molecule numbers in neurotransmission, and thanks to the fairly complex (yet exposed) process of chemical release, signal transmission, receptor activation, and reuptake, neurotoxins can attack any number of sites with deadly efficiency. The real bugger is that you're probably not going to find a replacement for acetylcholinesterase since it is formed specifically to capture, and collect, acetylcholine. The neurotoxins, for the most part, act by either blocking a receptor site, preventing the release of certain compounds, or by assaulting the reuptake system.
It would be fine to say that you've bypassed this system except for the small fact that your entire body's nervous system is based on that same set of neurotransmitters...which means massive, pre-blastocyst (genetic from fertilization) modification...which might not work and which would certainly make it difficult for people with the modification to reproduce with those without it.
Neurotoxins are nasty at any and all levels, a minute amount can block off all of a specific type of receptor site in major portions of your body--killing you rather quickly (too lazy to search through last year's notes for the name of the damn thing).
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Now, what can people be immune to? Bacterial infections and viral infections. It is possible that genetic modification could increase resistance to a certain strain of biological warfare agent but that would be a dramatic and expensive undertaking when simple isolation precautions (and early detection via in-field, fast and accurate agent detectors, which ARE on the horizon) might protect someone against the problematic effects.
Anthrax is actually a fairly benign agent, whereas something like one of the numerous Hemorrhagic Fevers that are widely prevalent in the Western and northern portions of Africa (one of which is almost impossible to protect against at anything less than complete hazard precautions and which has killed many of those who've sought to investigate it...thankfully it's isolated to Western Africa and previous 'events' in the US and elsewhere have not led to major epidemics.
We thank Free Rumania for his contribution.
Foreign Affairs Ministry
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Western Asia
13-09-2003, 04:39
OOC:
I should note that it is an extremely admirable venture to eliminate or otherwise neutralize the thread of WMDs...and any project that seeks to do so ICly on NS can expect at least $20million in funding from WA....with hundreds of millions more for reasonable advances.
Some reference PDFs...which explain ANYTHING and EVERYTHING about Bio/chem weaponry, its uses, its advantages and disadvantages in situations, and the properties of differnt agents.
First, the most complete...and largest (3.4mb): Potential Military Chemical/Biological Agents and Compounds (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/army/fm/3-9/fm3-9.pdf)...brought to you by the US military. Explains all relevant info in a tidy 130 pages!
Secondly, a full listing of the WMD programs of all ME nations (WMD-specific info and primer begins on page 41, 296kb). The Arab-Israeli Military Balance in 2002: Part Four-- Trends in Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear Weapons (http://www.csis.org/burke/mb/ai_mb_chem_bio_radio_nuc.pdf).
Thirdly, the simply-named Toxic Warfare (http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1572/MR1572.pdf) explains, well, it explains a LOT. (340kb).
Lastly, the least-useful (for Bio/Chem) but generally interesting: Global Trends in the Proliferation of WMDs (http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/DeadlyArsenals/chapters%20(pdf)/01-GlobalTrendsnointro.pdf)...only 132kb.
If you want to use Bio/Chem warfare on NS or work against it on NS then those are should-reads for such activities.
We thank Free Rumania for his contribution.
Foreign Affairs MinistrySorry, but if you use this stuff, you will be ignored. Just can't accept it.
OOC: I just said that I thanked FR for this contribution, I didn't sayI am going to use it.