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OOC: :cry: Sorry About Your Grandmother Sniper We Wish He A Good life In Heaven! :cry:

OOC: Ahh!!!! I came up with a plane by that name and designation when I was 12. It doesn't look at all like the JSF though, kinda more like a F-4/F-101/CF-100 hybrid... I don't plan on selling/using it but weird eh?

Sorry about your grandma, my grandpa had Alzhemers, it's no fun to watch what it does to people. :cry:

[OOC: :shock: I'm sorry to hear this.... *sigh* ]

IC:

We will pre-order 50 Stealth versions, to replace our aging F-14D Super Tomcat, and possibly some of the F-14E Quick Strike Tomcat and F-14E Ultra Tomcat.

EDIT:
The order will ship after 2 RL day, we persume?

OOC:
Try the F-26 STalma.

Pre-order 50 Stealth vesions

King JWolf

OOC: Sorry about your grandmother. :cry:

OOC:
And sorry about your grandmother, missed that part :cry: :cry:

the FREE RUMANIAN/FIKISH F-14E Ultra Tomcat, the F-13B Bearcat is a supreme Carrier-based fighter.

F-14E was an RL project cancelled in 92... you both developed it :roll:

the FREE RUMANIAN/FIKISH F-14E Ultra Tomcat, the F-13B Bearcat is a supreme Carrier-based fighter.
[OOC: Just excuse him, his grandmother just passed away. he's probably undergoing extreme pressure.]

I never saw it on his storefront, and the real one is the quick strike, whereas mine is named the Ultra Tomcat and is totally different than the real F-14E. But now I mostly use the Su-30MKR anyways.

OOC:
My F-14E [phased out a l;oooooong time ago] was also called Ultra Tomcat.

The CSAF and CSN require 8 each for NATMF/ATMF compititions.

And may she reside in heaven or whatever her religion calls it.

OOC: Sorry about your grandmother.

Your F-13B Bearcat is nice, would you like to try it against my F-28 Raptor sometime?

F-28 Raptor (Atmospheric air superiority and ground support fighter)- The twin tail finned Raptor is designed to be faster, more maneuverable, more capable of taking damage, and more heavily armed than anything else flying. Though it’s primary function is to shoot down enemy aircraft, it is a more than capable ground support aircraft. Equipped with advanced stealth systems and weapons, most opponents never know what hit them.

Weapons:
(Note: all weapons except the Vulcan gatling cannon are housed in an internal weapons bay to reduce the plane’s radar signature and improve airflow.)
1) Six 20mm Vulcan gatling cannon each capable of 6,000 rounds a minute firing depleted uranium shells.
2) Five hundred, thousand, and two thousand pound bombs unguided (With optional smart (read: guided) capability).
3) Adder air-air missiles with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. It capable of locking on to a target from anywhere between ten feet away to more than eighty miles away (This missile is capable of outrunning and outmaneuvering almost any target, it never misses).
4) Clusterbomb dispersal unit (Exact type varies with target).
5) Shark air-ground missile, with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. Used for destroying tanks and other armored vehicles and structures.
6) Tracker anti-radar missile. Used to destroy SAM and AAA sites.
7) Napalm/FAE (Fuel Air Explosive).
8 ) Trailblazer cruise missile, a low level terrain following missile with passive stealth systems, it is capable of destroying targets hundreds of miles away with pinpoint accuracy.

Equipment:
1) VTOL (Vertical Take Off and Landing) capability (This combined with multiple maneuvering jets located around the Raptor allow for maneuvers previously believed impossible, the Raptor is capable of going from mach 5 to a dead stop in under two seconds, a nasty surprise for tailgaters).
2) Radar stealth systems (This includes the Raptor’s already low radar signature with radar absorbent material and active radar reflection).
3) Optical stealth systems (The skin of the Raptor is capable of being polarized to perfectly match it’s surroundings, this system also controls the display of markings as opposed to having them painted on).
4) Extremely low infrared signature (This is achieved through a cooling system as well as placement of the engines).
5) 20,000+ mile range with optional air-air refueling capability.
6) 35,000+ pound bombload.
7) Maneuvering jets (Small jets located around the Raptor, in conjunction with the VTOL system they give the Raptor unparalleled maneuverability).
8 ) Ducted twin jet engines (With a cruising speed of mach 3.2 and capable of mach 5 in full afterburner, there is nothing flying that can catch it).
9) Ramjets (Used at high altitude they are capable of propelling the Raptor up to mach 9. At low altitude they can only reach mach 7 due to air resistance, and then only for a short time because of excessive heat due to air friction).
10) Radar system capable of detecting and identifying enemy aircraft out to five hundred miles.
11) Bubble canopy (Provides excellent all around visibility, the few blind spots are covered by high definition cameras).
12) Cooling system (This serves the duel purpose of reducing the infrared signature of the Raptor and preventing excessive heat build up during ramjet flight).
13) Radar detection system (Used to detect enemy radar).
14) Low-grade inertial damper
15) Redundant backups for all critical systems.
16) Armored cockpit (Capable of withstanding even a direct missile hit).
17) Chaff and flare dispensers.
16) Radio and radar jamming systems.

*Secret IC*

Encrypted Message:

To: Sniper Country

From: Attican Empire

We were wondering if we could have a simulated dogfight (non-volatile missiles and laser-painting guns) w/ your F-13B Bearcat and our AF-100. Would this be possible?

*Secret IC*

Encrypted Message:

To: Sniper Country

From: Attican Empire

We were wondering if we could have a simulated dogfight (non-volatile missiles and laser-painting guns) w/ your F-13B Bearcat and our AF-100. Would this be possible?

How about your AF-100 vs my F-28, same conditions as above.

Sure. What are the specs of your F-28? I have Carrier and CTOL variants of the AF-100, also. What will you be using (i will match you on variant.)

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Where will the competition take place (I still want the F-28s specs, btw SC, the AF-100s specs destroy yours except for the price.)

All pre-orders have been confirmed, expect shipment in 26 RL hours.

Sorry to whoever got pissed over the ownership stuff.

We propose that the F-13B, F-28, and AF-100 participate in a shared competition.

That sounds like a great idea, especially since the F-28 will easily win.

The AF-100 shall destroy you. What are the F-28 Specs???

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If the F-28 in question is the Wolverine, you must be joking. The F-13B would destroy it.

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If the F-28 in question is the Wolverine, you must be joking. The F-13B would destroy it.
Keep dreaming pal. Remember who gave you most of your tech? ME. And it's not even my most advanced fighter.

The AF-100 is very real, it took us ~ 7 years to develop w/ aid. Its main problem is it the air force version costs 150 mill, the naval costs 130 mill.

Where will the competition take place (I still want the F-28s specs, btw SC, the AF-100s specs destroy yours except for the price.)

I want to see these so called stats. I offer O'Brian Military airbase as a place to host the duels.

The AF-100 shall destroy you. What are the F-28 Specs???

The F-28 Raptor's specs are posted on page one of this thread.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70722

I use my F-22C Raptors --- with better-trained pilots.

Remember how F-16C destroyed the MiG-29s in Serbia? The MiG-29s are much more superior in manuvering than the F-16 (which is already an agile plane), but the Serbian pilots were poorly trained.

I don't think Attican Empire's pilots are trained that well, since they even have an aircraft carrier and a hugeass army, which seriously pushes the training budget back.

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http://pages.ripco.net/~antman87/Military.xls

Read it and weep. Military training receives plenty of funding. It also receives the equipment it needs (remember, our pilots are trained by the Luftwaffe, not training though)

I use my F-22C Raptors --- with better-trained pilots.

Remember how F-16C destroyed the MiG-29s in Serbia? The MiG-29s are much more superior in manuvering than the F-16 (which is already an agile plane), but the Serbian pilots were poorly trained.

I don't think Attican Empire's pilots are trained that well, since they even have an aircraft carrier and a hugeass army, which seriously pushes the training budget back.
Yes, that goddamn sucked.... only 2 US planes were shot down :cry:

You also have to remember our pilots have actual combat experience from the multitude of wars Attica has had.

APG-77T: Advanced radar system, capable of tracking targets such as the F/A-18E/F SuperHornet from as far as 650 miles. Uses OtH [Over the Horizon] Technology.
I'd like to see a radar fit in a plane that can scan 650 miles. AWACS only have ranges of about 270.

ASPJ: [Advanced Self Projection Jammer] Autonomously jams and rejects radar and information intercepts.
Of course! So that makes you invisible, right?

IRST: [Infra-Red Search and Track] Passive long-wave which detects and tracks foreign heat sources in the air.
Cool, now we don't need radar to find you. Just look for the big-ass heat signatures from all those electronics!

MANY MORE...
You mean things you can't think of now, but when you need them they will magically appear?

And with all these gizmos you better add another $100 Million to your pricetag

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Biggest gorund based radar is 350 miles, moron

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Grimdale's pilots are of the highest caliber as the large majority of them are veterans of several large wars and several more minor conflicts. During peacetime they get all the flight time they want and our simulator systems are some of the best in the world. In addition to all of this war games involving the entire air force are held bianually.

Actually, the standard fighters always has ECM Jammers installed. That's how the EA-4s and stuff avoided being shot down by the Iraqi-controlled stolen Hawk SAMs in the Golf War: at that time some of the planes has Hawk SAM radar wave infomation uploaded, and they were able t jam the radar signals.

But as always, ECM Jammer does not make you invisible, much like stealth.

You didnt even look at my budget did you.

Besides the fact I dont even see how the F-28 Raptor (isnt the F-22 the Raptor?) can even fly... it has so much armament and equipment, yet it somehow has VTOL capabilities and a high top speed. AND 6 vulcans!

hahaha, all 3 of these planes are bullshit. Attica's is probably the closest to bieng even close to feasible

*nm*

You didnt even look at my budget did you.

Besides the fact I dont even see how the F-28 Raptor (isnt the F-22 the Raptor?) can even fly... it has so much armament and equipment, yet it somehow has VTOL capabilities and a high top speed. AND 6 vulcans!
I'd like to see a plane actually achieve 100% VTOL with full load and even 4 fuel tanks.

Your entire budget? National Budget: $346,086,000,000

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Attican%20EMpire

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Attican%20Empire&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=1

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=Attican%20Empire&defenseprovided=1&defense=10&militarybudget=1

The file I linked for you is a spreadsheet that has my ENTIRE MILITARIES maintenence costs.

BTW what isnt feasable about my aircraft? I asked before, and no one said anything, so I assumed my plans were feasable.

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We werent talking about your budget, you put my budget into question, and I am the one refuting it.

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And if you read, Mr. Sarcasm, there were about 6 other contractors involved in the AF-100 also.

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You didnt even look at my budget did you.

Besides the fact I dont even see how the F-28 Raptor (isnt the F-22 the Raptor?) can even fly... it has so much armament and equipment, yet it somehow has VTOL capabilities and a high top speed. AND 6 vulcans!

The F-28 Raptor is very large for a figher, and it was origonally designed in 2045. VTOL thrust is provided by redirecting the air flow through vectored thrust nozzels, the high speed is provided by a special ramjet engine. Weapon controls are handled by a specialy trained weapons officer in the backseat.

RAMJETS require a high speed already. They do not function unless the vehicle is moving very fast.

Wouldn't a fighter from 2045 be considered futuristic?

Plus, with that heavy a load, VTOL is impossible.

RAMJETS require a high speed already. They do not function unless the vehicle is moving very fast.

Wouldn't a fighter from 2045 be considered futuristic?

Plus, with that heavy a load, VTOL is impossible.

The F-28's twin engines in full afterburner get it up to the necessary speeds for ramjet flight. And I'd like to see the equations showing that VTOL is impossible under the stated conditions given the thrust avalible.

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1) Six 20mm Vulcan gatling cannon each capable of 6,000 rounds a minute firing depleted uranium shells.
2) Five hundred, thousand, and two thousand pound bombs unguided (With optional smart (read: guided) capability).
3) Adder air-air missiles with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. It capable of locking on to a target from anywhere between ten feet away to more than eighty miles away (This missile is capable of outrunning and outmaneuvering almost any target, it never misses).
4) Clusterbomb dispersal unit (Exact type varies with target).
5) Shark air-ground missile, with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. Used for destroying tanks and other armored vehicles and structures.
6) Tracker anti-radar missile. Used to destroy SAM and AAA sites.
7) Napalm/FAE (Fuel Air Explosive).
8 ) Trailblazer cruise missile, a low level terrain following missile with passive stealth systems, it is capable of destroying targets hundreds of miles away with pinpoint accuracy.

4) Extremely low infrared signature (This is achieved through a cooling system as well as placement of the engines).
/\ is impossible, the cooling system will generate the same amount of heat as it removes and more.

5) 20,000+ mile range with optional air-air refueling capability.
/\ bullshit
6) 35,000+ pound bombload.
/\ Heavy.
10) Radar system capable of detecting and identifying enemy aircraft out to five hundred miles.
/\ not possible
15) Redundant backups for all critical systems.
16) Armored cockpit (Capable of withstanding even a direct missile hit).
17) Chaff and flare dispensers.
16) Radio and radar jamming systems.

Im assuming none of those things add weight?

You have the capable tech to use a ramjet to use VTOL? Cool.

The Ramjet is a secondary component of the main engine, and is has nothing to do with the operation of the engine until ramjet flight is achieved. It took 5 years of intensive reasearch to finally build a working model, and even then we lost five of our best test pilots before all the bugs were worked out. But we like to think it was worth it.

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1) Six 20mm Vulcan gatling cannon each capable of 6,000 rounds a minute firing depleted uranium shells.
2) Five hundred, thousand, and two thousand pound bombs unguided (With optional smart (read: guided) capability).
3) Adder air-air missiles with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. It capable of locking on to a target from anywhere between ten feet away to more than eighty miles away (This missile is capable of outrunning and outmaneuvering almost any target, it never misses).
4) Clusterbomb dispersal unit (Exact type varies with target).
5) Shark air-ground missile, with heat seeking, radar, laser, and optical guidance systems. Used for destroying tanks and other armored vehicles and structures.
6) Tracker anti-radar missile. Used to destroy SAM and AAA sites.
7) Napalm/FAE (Fuel Air Explosive).
8 ) Trailblazer cruise missile, a low level terrain following missile with passive stealth systems, it is capable of destroying targets hundreds of miles away with pinpoint accuracy.

4) Extremely low infrared signature (This is achieved through a cooling system as well as placement of the engines).
/\ is impossible, the cooling system will generate the same amount of heat as it removes and more.

5) 20,000+ mile range with optional air-air refueling capability.
/\ bullshit
6) 35,000+ pound bombload.
/\ Heavy.
10) Radar system capable of detecting and identifying enemy aircraft out to five hundred miles.
/\ not possible
15) Redundant backups for all critical systems.
16) Armored cockpit (Capable of withstanding even a direct missile hit).
17) Chaff and flare dispensers.
16) Radio and radar jamming systems.

Im assuming none of those things add weight?

I will answer each of these points in turn as well as Sniper Countries objection. The cooling system uses liquid nitrogen as a heat sink in order to absorb waste heat. The range given is for optimal cruise speed with fuel tanks in the internal bombay and on all hard points. The bombload is not excessive given the size of the aircraft and the power of the engines. The main reason ground based radar systems cannot detect aircraft more than 350 miles away is because of the curvature of the earth, aircraft are under no such restrictions (ex: AWACS aircraft can coordinate the actions of hundreds of aircraft over several hundred miles.), And I never said the plane would survive the explosion of a missile hit to the cockpit, only that the cockpit would survive so that the pilot can eject. (See A-10 Warthog for an example.) Now are you quite finished picking on this aircraft out of petty jealousy simply because you didn't think of it first. I spent several months doing research on this plane because I'm using it in a book I'm writing. So stop trying to catch me out on technicalities.

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Well, you realy should make it more clear. You said it can withstand a direct missile hit (and you did say that). You perhaps should have written 'can temporarily withstand a direct missile hit, allowing the pilot to eject'.

I ment the cockpit, not the plane. And if I went into detail on every stat the post would be impossibly long. As if it isn't long enough already. Are you still up for an air duel? O'Brian Airfield is waiting.

Yeah well the A-10's heavy armor is one of the main reasons it cant get to 500mph!

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Why should we send it when it is only going to be competition betwixt you two? And that will end up in a flamer.

Alright, I'm welcoming all comers to a free for all, last one flying wins. And since the odds are unbalanced I'll happily host a fight with my one plane against one of each type the participating countries can bring. (Ie: you could bring ten planes, but they all have to be diffrent types.)

^make another thread and i'll join cause you've hijacked for 3 pages :wink:

^make another thread and i'll join cause you've hijacked for 3 pages :wink:

here's the link. http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1526754#1526754

OOC: SC, sorry to hear about your grandmother. I lost one of mine last year in the middle of school...damn that was hard. Take care.

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As for this debate, it'd be nice if someone would point out that most of the planes created on NS are complete BS...as are the "supertanks" and so many other weapons. It's sorta pointless, which is why I only go after the REALLY bad cases.

I Lost Mine Last Year And It Was HArd Because She Was The Only Nie One! :cry:

We have decided to purchase 200 more of these F-13 Bearcat aircraft.

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Omz222, your order has been placed, and will go into production within the year. Please expect possilby four years to complete this order, along with the orders from inside customers and the refitting of the new RedDragons.

Thank you, the necessary cost has been wired.