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5 trillion dollar military expansion program: we're buying!

Ferrussia

12-09-2003, 03:45

The People's Republic of Ferrussia, noting that the NS world is a quite... turbulent place, and considering that current deployments could prevent the assistance of allies or interests, the government has unveiled a new program to increase the size and effectiveness of the military.

The massive proposal is the largest in Ferrussian military history, and the military is looking to outside sources for a majority of the armaments. The military is looking into totals around $5 trillion USD!

Ferrussia is going to the international community for this huge project.

Current Fund amount:
$4,043,280,907,500.00 (4.04 Trillion) USD

[OOC Stuff:

Yes, I can afford it. I've, up 'till now, had a relatively small army, navy, and air force. I've run moderately successful military sales, and have been pooling my surplus military budget (everything left over after salaries, expenses, maintenance, etc.). I've got it all on computer if you really want proof.

Second, please only post proposals. Storefronts will be ignored, unless you make specific suggestions from the shop, and then post the link.

Thanks, and let the buying begin!]

The Macabees

12-09-2003, 03:54

Although none of this stuff is real in the real world, its all Macabean produced and has modern technology. I sell excellent Artillery (alot of success) and perfect Armour of different calibre.

OOC: Some have German names that are recognized as WWII... they are not WWII tanks, they only use the Pz. line which starts at Pz. I which is equivelent to a German Pz. III.

Talkos

12-09-2003, 03:56

The Dominion of Talkos is giving a limited time offer(last time it was offered, demand quickly outpaced the rate we could build them, and forced us to take them off after only a few days) on it's Gato Class diesel submarines. They are ideal for a nation moving from the expensive quality end of the spectrum to large, quantity based forces, perfect for a nation looking to bulk up it's forces. It is effective in a variety of roles, from interdiction and blockade, to shore defense, hunter-killer roles, and covert ops insertions. We are offering these beauties at a mere $40 million per(a Ohio class ballistic missile sub can cost up to $1 billion per), with prices this low you can just ram the enemy vessels!

Gato Class Submarines:
Displacement: 1526 tons surfaced, 2424 tons submerged
Length: 311'
Beam: 27'3"
Draft: 16'10"
Speed: 20 knots surfaced, 9 knots submerged
Armament: 3"gun/.50machine gun, 6 bow and 4 stern torpedo tubes, 24 21" torpedoes (loaded tubes plus reloads: 10 forward, 4 aft)
Complement: 80
Operating Depth: 300 feet
Cruising Range: 11,000 miles surfaced at 10 knots.
Submerged Endurance: 48 hours at 2 knots.
Fuel Capacity: 94,400 gallons.
Patrol Endurance: 75 days.
Diesel engines, surfaced/electric motors, submerged
Propulsion: Diesel-electric reduction gear with 4 main generator engines,
1 aux. generator.
4 main motors with 5,400 shaft horse power.
2 126-cell main storage batteries.

12-09-2003, 03:59

I can sell you 40 F-14E "Ultra Tomcat" for 35 million each
100 Su-30MKRs for 43 million each
75 MiG-29 Sniper for 20 million each
and 400 MiG-21 Lancers for 5 million each

Ferrussia

12-09-2003, 04:10

Macabees, we're particularly interested in ground forces, but it seems you didn't post the link! I'd love to look over your offers.

Talkos, while we are still looking to hold to a more efficient, effective, and quality military, the role your submarines could play in home defense and patrols is invaluable. We'd like to put in an order for 25 Gato submarines, coming to (I believe) $1 billion. Please confirm asap.

Bobaria, we'll look into your proposal, however we'd most likely end up purchasing more than you have listed for certain planes, and we'd like to keep purchases of the same vehicle/craft to the same person.

Keep 'em coming!

Chellis

12-09-2003, 04:14

this isnt a complete list, but you tell me if there is something you need not on this list.

I suggest HOMAR assault rifles, Bouncer Snipers, and 200mm artillery for you; tell me what interests you, and i will make you an offer.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53439

Omz222

12-09-2003, 04:14

IC:

The A-6 Super Intruder, by Adejaani:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63712&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100

EDIT: Edited out some... stuff.

Talkos

12-09-2003, 04:36

Talkos, while we are still looking to hold to a more efficient, effective, and quality military, the role your submarines could play in home defense and patrols is invaluable. We'd like to put in an order for 25 Gato submarines, coming to (I believe) $1 billion. Please confirm asap.

Your order is confirmed. We will either send the subs over with prize crews or you can send your own sailors to crew them back to your home ports. Thank you for your business.

12-09-2003, 04:40

From the Desk of Henry Eshelman, Head of Fuego Rey's Secret Police

We noticed your request for weaponry and militaria and would like to make you an offer. We have a surplus of two of our classes of light vehicles, both suited for rough terrain, especially swamps.

Nephandi Class 2 Man ATV: This specially created 4 wheeler is equipped with a nearly silent electric motor as well as a traditional gas motor (though the tank has to be attached seperately, about an hour's work for any mediocre technician) and includes it's own solar chargers. It also features an optional mounted .50 caliber HMG, which is operated by the standing rear passenger. It is extremely rugged, lightly armored, mostly amphibious in calm waters, and excellent for light recon or guerrilla actions. It is going for $9000 US, plus another $1000 for the attached HMG, and we have about 5000 ready to sell.

Unseelie Class Dirtbike: A simple electric dirtbike with surprising power, this machine sacrifices endurance for speed, the battery having only about a four hour life. Most carry a set of two extra batteries, but this is obviously not a vehicle for protracted patrols. However, it is ideal for short term raids. While it features no external weapons or armor, it is small (it can actually be broken down and carried in a very large backpack) and is perfect for airborne assaults. These bikes cost $6000 US, and we have about 10,000 available to sell.

Finally, we still have a surplus of about 6,000 of our specially bred attack\tracking dogs. They are expensive, but they are the best in the world. (More information: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56457&highlight= ) These animals are ideal for attack or tracking, but do not make good civillian police dogs as they are trained to hamstring and throat, nor do they make good guard dogs, since they do not bark (This would alert enemies to the presence of the unit.) With 100 or more dogs, the services of a Fuego Rey houndmaster will be included.

Thank you for your time.

-H. Eshelman

--APPROVED by Chris By-The-Throat, Information Minister--

Memo: Henry, I know you don't want to reveal the real size of our military, but the humanitarian effort in Jilhou is increasingly expensive; try to sell more of our surplus than this. -C

The Resi Corporation

12-09-2003, 04:41

Are you tired of having second-rate weaponry, and wish you had some seriously huge 60-foot-tall battlemechs or 20-foot-tall robot spiders to literally stomp your enemies flat? How about a single power plant that can power a city the size of New York while producing NO POLLUTION, or a couple of mind-reading empaths? Maybe you've invisioned your troops travelling via spaceplane, or walking along the ocean floor, or maybe you want to replace your human army with one of robots that will obey your every whim. Whatever your fancy, you'll find it in the newest edition of the Resi Corporation's marketplace! Located here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67552), this shop can update your nation, so you can outclass your strongest foes!

12-09-2003, 04:43

LGR Defense (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36683&start=0) is proud to offer several solutions for your country's needs.

http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~dhuang/f-18.jpg
The Is-39/D series- LGR's flagship product.

Our company has masses of experience manufacturing equipment, with our best-selling Is-39/B-1a (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36683&start=0) recently exceeding the 2,000 airframes manufactured mark.

Prices for large quantity orders are certainly negotiable, and we look forward to serving you!

LGR Defense produces a complete line of aircraft, ships, vehicles and small arms!

LGR Defense

Soviet Haaregrad

12-09-2003, 04:43

Need a long range escort/interceptor?

Have I got just the fighter for you. It's 1950's tech modernized for today's air combat. It's the...

F-115A Arrow(Modernized)

Primary Function: Long Range Escort and Interceptor
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 2x TF420-310 31 000lb thrust turbofan engines
Length: 77'6" (23.6 meters)
Height: 21'3" (6.5 meters)
Wingspan: 50' (15.24 meters)
Ceiling: 80 000-plus feet (24 400 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.75 at high altitude
Ferry Range: 7 500 miles(12 000km) on internal fuel only
Empty Weight: 24 000lbs (10 910kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 62 000lbs (27 270kg)
Armament: 1xGAU-25-5 25mm gatling cannon and 4x AA-12 Adder or 4x AA-9 Amos and 4x AA-11 Archer internally or 20 000lbs of internal stores, an additional 15 000lbs of external stores can be carried on 4 on wing hardpoints
Unit cost: $56 000 000
Crew: Two, pilot and weapon systems officer

http://haaregradia.20megsfree.com/storefront/f115_arrow.htm

OOC: Alot of this aircraft is based on the speculation of how much better all the space could be used inside of this behemoth if all modern electronics were used. And yes, that is a new cockpit and foreplanes.

Ferrussia

12-09-2003, 04:46

Chellis, I'll take some time to look over your thread. Looks good, however I could use some additional information. (i.e. calibres of the guns, particularly infantry rifle.)

Omz222, we'd like to put in an order for 5 Super Intruder wings (360 planes). I believe the order comes to $10.8 billion. We may come back for more, and I'll always keep ESAA/RL in mind for aircraft purchases.

Chellis

12-09-2003, 04:50

the HOMAR uses 7.62NATO, the PPS Twinshot uses two .303's at a time.

Belem

12-09-2003, 04:51

Would you like to purchase a suitcase or pocket(dirty bomb) nuke?

12-09-2003, 05:08

This is what I have for sell

1 Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier
2 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
5 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer
20 Rauma-class fast attack/missile boats
2 Soyuz IV Class Battleships
2 Invincible class carriers
6 Belfast class cruisers
4 Modified Leviathan-class SSBNs
8 Trident-class attack submarines
40 Barracuda-class patrol boats
3 Kruger-class cruisers
25 Stingray-class destroyers
15 Mako-class frigates
6 Devil Ray Class Submarines
1 Timber Wolf-class Carrier
200 Su-30MKRs
125 MiG-29 Snipers
400 MiG-21 Lancers
150 Su-39 Centurions
3 B-4Bs
5 C-130Js
12 RF-111s
6 KC-130s
500 AH-11s
40 SAAB JAS-39 GRIPENs
5 MESSERSCHMIT BF 109
60 F-15 Eagles
100 F/A-110 Starfires
40 F-14E "Ultra Tomcat"s
50 Tornado NIDS'
100 MIG-25s

Daistallia

12-09-2003, 05:17

We can offer the DMI AR-2 and AR-2b Assault Rifles or the DMI BR-2 Battle Rifle
The AR-2/AR-2b is a simple and safe handling weapons that has been proven in troop trials to be functionally dependable. The AR-2 fires a propriatary 6.5x50 mm ammunition. Unit Cost: $650 $600
TheBR-2 is chambered for the propriatary 8.5x65 mm cartridge. Unit Cost: $850

For bulk orders, we can offer a 10% discount.
300 million USD for 500,000 AR-2s, 35 million rounds of ammunition and production rights for the propritary ammunition, as long as you agree not to pass on production rights.
275 million for 500,000 AR-2bs,35 million rounds of ammunition and production rights for the propritary ammunition, as long as you agree not to pass on production rights.
400 million USD for 500,000 BR-2s, 35 million rounds of ammunition and production rights for the propritary ammunition, as long as you agree not to pass on production rights.

Data on all weapons can be found here: http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/daistallia/ns/dmi.html

Ferrussia

12-09-2003, 05:17

Talkos, thanks, we'll be sending over skeleton crews.

Fuego Rey, we'd like to purchase all 5,000 Nephandi ATVs with the machine guns, and 7,500 of the dirt bikes. I believe the total is $500 million.

Resi, thanks for the offer, but we're staying modern tech. :D

Tilsitsin, we're incredibly interested in your offer. We'd like 10 wings (720) of Is-D-1s, coming to $15.84 billion. We're also interested in the Su-47, and will get back to you on those.

Soviet H., we'll look into it.

Chellis, we're delighted to hear that the HOMAR is a 7.62! We've had soldiers complaining that the M-16A2s we use have too little stopping power (and they don't - they're designed to wound, not kill). We're highly interested in supplimenting our ground-based forces, and these look like they could do the job. Give us an offer. (We're thinking somewhere in the range of 250,000 units, but you go ahead and say what you deem fit).

Belem, we're not interested in anything further than nuclear deterrance, let alone nuclear terrorism.

Omz222

12-09-2003, 05:18

Omz222, we'd like to put in an order for 5 Super Intruder wings (360 planes). I believe the order comes to $10.8 billion. We may come back for more, and I'll always keep ESAA/RL in mind for aircraft purchases.
Very well, confirmed, thank you.

Belem

12-09-2003, 05:20

Well you can put those two nukes into a cruise missile or basically any air launched missile.

Or How bout some nice chemical or biological weapons?

Chellis

12-09-2003, 05:27

ok, how about 250,000 for 250m? They all come with optical sighting, which has thermal, nightvision, and plain normal, all with magnification.

Ferrussia

12-09-2003, 05:29

Daistallia, we're VERY interested in your assault rifle! We'd like to take you up on your 500,000 AR-2s with ammunition production rights, and gladly pay the $300 million. Could we purchase an additional 250,000 for $450 million total?

In addition, we'd like to work out an offer with the BR-2. We'd like to buy around 200,000, and ammo production rights. How much would this cost?

Thanks for your offer!

Ferrussia

12-09-2003, 05:38

Sounds great, Chellis. $250 million it is.

Daistallia

12-09-2003, 05:44

Excellent. Total package: 750,000 AR-2s, 70 million rounds of ammunition, 200,000 BR-2s, 35 million rounds of ammunition, and production rights to both munitions. 650 million USD. The production rights may not be passed on.

Ferrussia

12-09-2003, 05:53

Thanks, and your numbers look right. $650 million is being sent, and we eagerly await shipment.

And don't worry, we would never dream of illegally selling/giving the rights.

[OOC: I'm off to bed now, and won't be back until about 3:30pm Mountain time (that's 5:30pm Eastern). Still, post offers or follow-ups at will, simply realize I can't respond until late tomorrow afternoon. Darn school.]

Clan Smoke Jaguar

12-09-2003, 06:39

We offer a VERY wide selection of combat and support units.
Below are some of our highlights. The rest of our products can be found on our storefront treads at:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68940 & http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68948

Iron Cheetah MBT
Crew: 4 + 4
Combat Weight: 65,000 kg
Max Speed: 65 km/h
Max Range: 550 km
Armament: 1x120mm L/55 smoothbore, 1x12.7mm AAMG, 1x7.62mm AAMG, 1x7.62mm CMG
A large, powerful main battle tank. The use of new armor composites gives it 25% better protection than the M1A2. Like the M1A2, it boasts a CITV and advanced electronics systems, though it has an improved 120mm L/55 gun which outperforms the M1A2s weapon. It has an unconventional layout somewhat similar to the Merkava, with the engine front and a small compartment in the rear. The rear compartment can hold up to 4 troops, or additional supplies or ammunition.
Cost: $5.1 million (+$65,000 for MCBS)

Mist Lynx IFV
Crew: 3+8
Combat Weight: 28,000 kg
Max Speed: 69 km/h
Max Range: 500 km
Armament: 1x30mm Bushmaster II, 1x7.62mm CMG, 1xTwin-tube TOW launcher (8 reload missiles).
This is an advanced IFV based on the M2 Bradley. The vehicle’s size has been increased to accommodate more passengers, and it’s capable of transporting 8 fully equipped troops, though standard practice in Clan Smoke Jaguar removes one soldier to add extra equipment and supplies. It has similar armor protection compared to the Bradley, but slightly better range, speed, and firepower, in addition to the higher payload.
Cost: $3.9 million

G5 towed howitzer
Crew: 8
Combat Weight: 13,750 kg
Max Speed: 16 kmh (normally towed)
Max Range: 100 km (normally towed)
Armament: 155mm/45 caliber howitzer, crew weapons
The G5 is an exceptional towed howitzer with extremely high accuracy and a maximum range of over 40 km. It also boasts, unlike most contemporaries, an auxiliary power unit, allowing it to move over short distances on its own, and thus giving increased mobility and survivability.
Cost: $750,000

M119A1 towed howitzer
Crew: 6
Combat Weight: 2050.3 kg
Armament: 105mm howitzer, crew weapons
A very light field howitzer primarily for supporting airborne and airmobile troops. Its light weight ensures that it can be carried by most utility and transport helicopters. It doesn't have the range of larger systems, reaching only 19 km with assisted projectiles and its shells don't quite have the power of 155mm units either. However, it can sustain much higher rates of fire, which alone makes it a deadly weapon.
Cost: $300,000

AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder Radar
Crew: 9
Weight: 1089.6 kg (shelter), 1452.8 kg (antenna/transceiver)
A small, relatively lightweight firefinding radar for locating artillery positions based on incoming shell trajectories. It is deployed with two M1097 HMMWVs or two M923 5-Ton trucks
Cost: $1,550,000

M-29 SABR OICW
Caliber: 20x85mm Grenade & 5.56x45mm NATO
Weight (total): 5.5 kg empty, 6.8 kg loaded
Weight (carbine alone): 2 kg empty
Length (total): 890 mm
Barrel length: 460 mm (GL), 250 mm (carbine)
Rate of fire: 10 rounds per minute (GL), 800 rounds per minute (carbine)
Magazine capacity: 6 rounds (GL), 20 or 30 rounds (carbine)
Effective range: 1000+ m (GL), 300+ m (carbine)
This is a two-part advanced infantry weapon that includes a small 5.56mm carbine (based on the G36) and a 20mm grenade launcher. A computer and laser rangefinder in the grenade launcher module allow for the round to be fuzed for airburst at any selected range over 200m, as well as standard impact fuzing. This gives the weapon much greater versatility than the M-16/Grenade launcher combo it's designed to replace. The only drawback is the lack of an arcing trajectory like other grenade launchers, which can be useful at times.
Cost: $10,000

MSG-90 sharpshooter rifle
Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester)
Operation: Semi-auto
Weight: 6.4 kg
Length: 1165 mm
Barrel length: 600 mm
Magazine capacity: 5 or 20 rounds
Effective range: 800+ m
This is a sniper rifle designed to provide direct support of front-line troops. As such, it sacrifices some accuracy to achieve a higher rate of fire. This particular weapon is one of several sniper rifles based on the G3 and has much in common with the more famous, and far more expensive, PSG-1 sniper rifle.
Cost: $2200

M40A1 sniper rifle
Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester)
Operation: Bolt action
Weight: 6.58 kg
Length: 1176 mm
Barrel length: 610 mm
Magazine capacity: 5 rounds
Effective Range: 800+ m
This is an exceptional weapon that combines accuracy, relatively light weight, and reliability. It is designed specifically for military use.
Cost: $2105

DSR-1 Sniper Rifle
Caliber: 7.62x51mm Match, .300 Winchester Magnum, or .338 Lapua Magnum
Operation: Bolt-action
Weight: 5.9 kg empty, without scope
Length: 990mm
Magazine capacity: 5 rounds (7.62mm), 4 rounds (.300 or .328 magnum)
Range: 1000+m
This is an exceptional weapon that is among the most accurate in the world. It is, however, very expensive and not designed for extended operations, limiting it to police and special forces use. Still, its long range and high accuracy make it a useful weapon.
Cost: $7700 (7.62mm), $7900 (.300 WM), $8100 (.338 LM)

M98 sniper rifle
Caliber: .338 Lapua Magnum
Operation: Semi-auto
Weight: 7 kg
Length: 1175 mm
Barrel length: 610 mm
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds
Effective range: 1000+ m
This is best described as a medium sniper rifle, filling the gap between the 7.62mm weapons and the heavier 12.7mm ones. It has better range than smaller weapons, but is nowhere near as heavy as the larger ones, making it a good long-range weapon.
Cost: $4000

Predator Sniper Rifle
Caliber: .408 Stryker Tactical
Length: 1038 mm
Barrel length: 692 mm
Weight: 9 kg without scope
Magazine Capacity: 5 rounds
Range: 1800+ m
Accuracy: .5 MOA
This is a powerful weapon chambered for our new .408 Stryker Tactical round. It’s notably lighter than the bigger .50 cal weapons, though it has similar range and higher accuracy.
Cost: $8200

M95A2 heavy sniper/anti-materiel rifle
Caliber: 12.7x99mm NATO (match or standard .50 BMG)
Operation: Bolt action
Weight: 9.98 kg empty without scopes
Length: 1143 mm
Barrel length: 737 mm
Magazine Capacity: 5 rounds
Effective range: 1800+ m
A large, powerful rifle chambered for the .50 BMG round. Though it has long range and high hitting power, it's too heavy and bulky for most infantry operations, limiting it to primarily special forces use.
Cost: $6000

M82A1 heavy sniper/anti-materiel rifle
Caliber: 12.7x99mm NATO (match or standard .50 BMG)
Operation: Semi-auto
Weight: 14.75 kg
Length: 1448 mm
Barrel length: 737 mm
Magazine Capacity: 10 rounds
Effective range: 1800+ m
This is an older weapon that's very similar to the M95. Its main difference is that it's a semi-automatic weapon rather than bolt action
Cost: $6000

IWS-2000 Anti-Materiel Rifle
Caliber: 15.2mm
Weight: 18 kg
Length: 1800mm
Barrel: 1200mm
Action: Semi-automatic
Magazine Capacity: 5 rounds
Penetration: 40mm RHA @ 1000m
This should not be mistaken for a sniper rifle, as it is designed entirely for the anti-materiel role, and it’s easily one of the most powerful weapons ever fielded by an infantryman. Though this weapon is extremely large and quite heavy, it has enough power to penetrate the armor of most light combat vehicles and even many IFVs at ranges of over one kilometer. During transit, the barrel is removed from the rest of the weapon and carried separately. Otherwise, this gun would be too long for practical use.
Cost: $14,000

M224 light mortar
Crew: 2
Caliber: 60mm
Weight: 21.11 kg (8 for lightest configuration)
Length: 1016mm
Maximum Effective Range: 3490 m
This is a very light, easily transported mortar system that provides light indirect fire support for infantry forces. Its main benefits are its small size and high rate of fire, being able to sustain an impressive 20 rounds per minute over extended periods.
Cost: $10,700

M282 medium mortar
Crew: 3
Caliber: 82mm
Weight: 40.41 kg
Length: 14,224 mm
Effective range: 5800 m
Minimum Range: 80 m
This is a modified version of the M252 mortar that was widened to 82mm so that it could fire both 81mm and 82mm mortar ammunition instead of just the former. It also boasts a relatively light weight and high rate of fire.
Cost: $24,750

M320 heavy mortar
Crew: 5
Caliber: 120mm
Weight: 145 kg
Effective Range: 7200 m
Minimum Range: 200 m
This weapon is almost equivalent to some light howitzers in range and firepower. Unfortunately, it's not as mobile as lighter mortars, and can't be carried by infantry over long distances. Still, it's a powerful support weapon.
Cost: $130,000

Land Warrior system
Includes weapons subsystem, helmet subsystem, computer/radio subsystem, software subsystem, and protective clothing & individual equipment subsystem. This package provides the necessary equipment to incorporate an individual soldier into the modern digital battlefield, merging him with existing digitized units like the M1A2 Abrams and M2A3/M3A3 Bradley. It includes a heads-up data display as well as a small, lightweight portable computer system. Add-ons to personal weapons provide video and thermal imaging capability.
Total System Weight: 38 kg
Cost: $15,000

F/A-22 Raptor
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 27,210 kg
Speed: Mach 1.8 (1915 km/h), Supercruise Mach 1.5 (1596 km/h)
Range: 5600 km
Armament: 2xMain Weapons bay, 2xSide Weapons Bay, 4xUnderwing hard points, 20mm Vulcan cannon w/ 500 rounds
Standard: 6xAMRAAM in MWB, 2xSidewinder in SWB
Attack: 2xAMRAAM & 2x1000 lb JDAM in MWB, 2xSidewinder in SWB
Bomber: 8xSDB (small diameter bomb – 250 lb) in MWB, 2xSidewinder in SWB
Optional Underwing: 4x600 gal fuel tank, 2x600 gal & 4xAMRAAM, or 8xAMRAAM
Cost: $70 million

F-35A JSF
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 22,675 kg
Speed: Mach 1.8 (1915 km/h)
Combat Radius: 1300 km
Armament: 7710 kg disposable stores in internal weapons bays and underwing hard points, 20mm Vulcan cannon
A powerful, stealthy multirole aircraft designed to replace aging A-10s and F-16s, as well as numerous other types. The aircraft comes in three versions, of which this is the standard CTOL (conventional take-off and landing) unit.
Cost: $32.5 million

F-35B JSF
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 22,675 kg
Speed: Mach 1.8 (1915 km/h)
Combat Radius: 920 km
Armament: 7710 kg disposable stores in internal weapons bays and underwing hard points, 20mm Vulcan cannon
A STOVL (short take-off and vertical landing) version of the JSF multirole fighter for replacing Harriers and land-based F/A-18s.
Cost: $39 million

F-35C JSF
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 22,675 kg
Speed: Mach 1.8 (1915 km/h)
Combat Radius: 1200 km
Armament: 5895 kg disposable stores in internal weapons bays and underwing hard points, 20mm Vulcan cannon
A CV (carrier-based) version of the JSF aircraft, for replacing A-6s and earlier model F/A-18s (A/B & C/D)
Cost: $41 million

P-7 Poseidon Export
Crew: 7-28
Maximum Weight: 80,000 kg
Speed: 765 km/h
Range: 7800 km (5000 km with a 3-hour loiter time)
Armament: 17,500 kg disposable stores in internal and underwing mounts, including 150-300 sonobuoys
A large maritime patrol aircraft derived from the P-3C. It boasts a much higher payload as well as significantly improved electronics and detection gear. This is the general export version of the P-7A, and while the general capabilities of the airframe remain the same, several of the electronics and detection/tracking systems have been downgraded somewhat, though they're still above older aircraft like the BAE Nimrod and Lockheed P-3 Orion.
Cost: $65 million

RC-135V Rivet Joint
Crew: 4 + mission crew
Combat Weight: 152,300 kg
Speed: Mach .84 (894 km/h)
Endurance: 11 hours, 20 with aerial refueling
This is SIGNIT (signals intelligence) platform for detecting and monitoring enemy electronic activity, including radars and communications. The aircraft performs ELINT and COMINT (communications intelligence) operations at targets up to 240 km away. Secondary missions include communications jamming as well as altering enemy communications and inserting false messages.
Cost: $105 million

Franklin Osis Class CVL
Displacement: 32,000 tons
Speed: 30 knots
Armament: 3xDragon CIWS, 2xSea Sparrow launcher, 4x25mm Bushmaster, 4x12.7mm
Aircraft: 24 fixed wing and 6 helicopters, 30 total. Usually:
24 F-35B JSF or AV-8B Harrier II
4 SH-60F Seahawk
2 HH-60H Seahawk
Crew: 1950
A relatively small, cheap aircraft carrier designed to support VTOL/STOVL aircraft and helicopters.
Cost: $1.7 billion

Raptor Class LHD
Displacement: 46,530 tons
Speed: 23 knots
Armament: 3x25mm Bushmaster, 2x21 round box launcher (RIM-116 RAM), 2xSea Sparrow launcher, 2xDragon CIWS, 4x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: 28-48 depending on mission
18 CH-46, 9 CH-53, 4 UH-60, 4 AH-1, 6 AV-8B or
48 CH-46 (assault) or
24 AV-8B, 12 SH-60F (sea control)
Payload: 22,000 sq ft vehicle, 125,000 ft3 cargo, 590,000 gal POL
Landing Craft: 2 LCU or 3 LCAC or 6 LCM-8 or 40 AAV
Crew: 1096 + 1893 troops (2093 surge)
A modern LHD that’s slightly larger than the US Wasp class. It maintains similar capabilities, but is slightly more advanced and has a larger aircraft and payload capacity.
Cost: $1.5 billion

Samurai Class LHA
Displacement: 54,500 tons
Speed: 24 knots
Armament: 3x25mm Bushmaster, 2x21 round box launcher (RIM-116 RAM), 2xSea Sparrow launcher, 2xDragon CIWS, 4x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: 29-55 depending on mission
Typically: 6 JSF, 12 MV-22, 4 CH-53, 4 AH-1, 3 UH-1, 2 HH-60
Payload: 30,000 sq ft vehicle, 150,000 ft3 cargo, 950,000 gal POL
Landing Craft: 2 LCU or 3 LCAC or 6 LCM-8 or 40 AAV
Essentially a slightly larger version of the Raptor LHD that’s designed to provide a platform for F-35B JSFs. This also boasts a much greater payload capacity.
Crew: 1289 + 1703 troops (1907 surge)
Cost: $1.8 billion

LPD-17 San Antonio
Displacement: 25,000 tons loaded
Speed: 22 knots
Payload: 2323 m2 vehicle parking space on three decks, 708 m3 ammunition, 1228 m3 fuel
Landing Craft: 2 LCAC or 4 LCM-8 or 9 LCM-6 or 20 AAV
Armament: 1x16 cell VLS (SM-2, Tomahawk), 2x21 round box launcher (RIM-116 RAM), 2xCIWS, 2x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: Hangar facilities for 3 AH/UH-1, 1 V-22, or 1 CH-53. Landing pad w/ space for 2 CH-53, 4 AH/UH-1, 4 CH-46, 2 V-22, or 1 AV-8B
Crew: 483 + 700 troops (900 surge)
This is a large, advanced amphibious transport dock that lands troops and equipment primarily from naval landing craft. It combines the roles of LSTs (Landing Ship-Tanks), LSDs (Landing Ship Docks), and LKAs (attack cargo ships) into one vessel.
Cost: $772 million

T-AKR 287 Algol
Displacement: 61,987 tons loaded
Payload: 185,000 sq ft vehicles, 46 TEU
Speed: 33 knots
Crew: 42
This is a fast sealift ship with roll-on/roll-off and lift-on/lift-off capabilities, and handles both vehicles and conventional cargo. With a top speed of 33 knots, this is one of, if not THE fastest class of cargo ships ever built, and is therefore an excellent rapid deployment craft.
Cost: $301 million

T-AKR 300 Bob Hope
Displacement: 62,968 tons loaded
Payload: 397,413 sq ft parking space
Speed: 24 knots
Crew: 50 + 300 troops
This is a large, medium-speed Roll-on/Roll-off ship (LMSR) designed for transporting heavy equipment. It has nearly 400,000 sq ft of parking space, allowing it to carry a full armored task force of 58 MBTs, 48 other tracked vehicles, and over 900 trucks and HMMWVs.
Cost: $265 million

T-AO 187 Henry J. Kaiser
Displacement: 38,182 tons
Payload: 180,000 barrels of fuel, some other stores
Speed: 20 knots
Crew: 124
This is a large fleet oiler, tasked with resupplying ships at sea. As the type suggests, its primary load is fuel, though it carries a small amount of other cargo.
Cost: $240 million

AOE-6 Supply
Displacement: 44,364 tons
Payload: 150,000 barrels of fuel, 1800 tons munitions, 400 tons dry stores, 20,000 gallons water
Speed: 25 knots
Armament: 1xSea Sparrow launcher, 2xPhalanx CIWS, 2x25mm Bushmaster cannon, 4x12.7mm mg
Aircraft: 3xCH-46
Crew: 669
This is a smaller, but more advanced combat support ship that carries a variety of stores. This ship is also designed to combat standards, giving it increased endurance and survivability compared to similar vessels.
Cost: $568 million

Kraken Class DE Submarine
Displacement: 3000 tons
Speed: 20 knots
Armament: 6x21” TT w/ 18 torpedoes, 1xStinger position w/ 8 missiles
Crew: 37
An advanced diesel-electric attack sub. Like all diesel subs, it has a limited range and speed, but is extremely quiet and difficult to detect while running on battery power.
Cost: $320 million

12-09-2003, 20:05

I can sell you 40 F-14E "Ultra Tomcat" for 35 million each
100 Su-30MKRs for 43 million each
75 MiG-29 Sniper for 20 million each
and 400 MiG-21 Lancers for 5 million each
Ok wanker this is how it's going to work:

A. You stop selling MY weapons

-or-

B. I take military action

12-09-2003, 20:41

Everything I'm talking about can be found here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4650). Prices are listed in rough dollar equivalents of resources; actual price may vary due o your country's evaluation of resources.

We highly recommend in the aerospace departments:

The TJB-2 Magus as a unique and highly capable strike bomber/heavy fighter (detachable bomb bay carries 30,000 pounds of munitions; in addition, the TJB-2 is highly maneuvable, mounts an 80mm nose gun, and excels in air to air combat after dropping its main payload or when deployed as a long range, high endurrance interceptor/air patrol), for $50 million each.

The export model of the TJB-3 Cyclops, with intercontinental range, highly sophisticated EW suites, countermeasures, and a payload that can easily reach 100,000 pounds and is specifically designed to deploy large numbers of air-launched cruise missiles, $140M each.

The TJF-8 Ghost - the only STOL stealth plane I know of - capable of launching from a mere 500' of rough strip, carrying up to 4,000 pounds of ordinance and 4 drones*. A bargain at $80M - noticably less than the F-117A Nighthawk costs!

Our most popular air export is the TJF-3 Mongoose, costing about $2M each, being cheap, robust, and plentiful, but you probably want the pricier stuff.

In the naval departments:

Our popular Kraken heavy destroyer - just $100 million and a bargain at that, displacing just under 4,000 tons and carrying a variety of weapons systems, including a highly sophisticated point/missile defense system, the versatile Hex Box missile launcher, and reliable 5" guns.

We recommend our advanced missile boats. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55211) ($35-$80M)

We also might be pursuaded to sell you some of our workhorse common conventionally powered sub classes (page 11 of my thread) in current operation (Otter submersible and Manta submarine).

Cruisers and escort carriers available upon request; we also do custom work. Would you like a dreadnaught, beautiful, terrible, and imposing? We'd love to build one to suit for a few billion... (OOC: I have some ideas for one. Just tell me what your specific preferences are and which missile systems you favor, and if you like/hate guns... probably $5B.)

As far as land army materials:
[i]We have relatively little in this department.

We recommend our D3TP .25 high penetration sniper rifle - accurate, powerful, and only 30" long - or carbine (24" long) for elite forces. Admittedly, it requires its own high penetration D3TP ammunition, which is not standard manufacture around the world and reasonably expensive to manufacture or purchase, as far as ammunition goes. (It's very good though... we spent a while engineering it.)

*Small drones. Meant for recon or decoy work.

Of the council of clan

12-09-2003, 20:44

Well i have a special operations submarine based on the ohio class that i'm selling. http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69198

if you buy more than ten at once i'll drop the price to 1.4 Billion apiece

Ferrussia

13-09-2003, 00:09

Clan, we're very impressed by your selection. It'll take some time to figure out how much of some things we want, but there is something we'd like immediately. We'd like to purchase 10 of the AN/TPQ-36 systems, Hummer based. The total, I believe, is $15.5 million. We'd like at least 3 asap, within 1-2 NS days would be perfect. We're willing to pay an extra $.5 million to get the 3 minimum in by tomorrow. It'll be wired when/if we recieve them.

We're also looking into your MBT, IFV, and various other items; expect orders on these within the day.

Tahar, we're looking at your offers now. Expect back soon.

Of the council, we're hesitant to spend so much on a submarine, but we'll look into it.

13-09-2003, 00:11

Need tanks? Check out my new TDR-3000!
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64127

13-09-2003, 00:14

I have a quarter of the technology for long range magnetic weapons. No recoil, no noise, only the ultra-silent sound of the bullet whizzing through the air. The ones I have right now are only short range, but can be deadly!!! Check out my VSRMW's Now Available post, or something similar to that. PM me to buy :) Or fund for really long range weapons.

imported_Christoniac

13-09-2003, 00:32

Ferrussia

13-09-2003, 00:35

_East Germany, we've been impressed by the TR-2000s we purchased, and are excited to learn it has a bigger cousin. (MUCH bigger, actually... 72 tons!?) We'll be making a purchase (or two) on your thread. Thank you.

SmartSpace, I assume you mean magnetic as in it pulls the bullet down the barrel with electromagnets? We're interested by the possibility of using it for covert operations, but at the moment they don't seem incredibly practical. Let us know of any developments.

13-09-2003, 00:50

Heres what I can offer:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60558
Su-39M ground support aircraft. Basically combines A-10 and Su-39.

Wheeled Armored COmbat Vehicles.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60795

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61101
Mach 6.5 cruise missiles

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61766
Advanced SAM systems for the battlefield

New Generation man-portable SAMs on sale
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62046

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62381
Ka-60 combat transport helicopter

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63016
Amur class attack sub (quietest in the world)

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63300
Black Eagle 2 MBT

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63608
Mi-35M heavy helicopter gunships

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55740
Oscar 3 missile submarine and Shkval underwater missile.

Scorpion stealth missile boats
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52583

13-09-2003, 01:01

Bayorta

13-09-2003, 01:12

hmmm... Well if you do have any left over money :wink: theres always the BMI storefront

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1364693#1364693

13-09-2003, 01:17

do you need any aircraft ferussia?

Ferrussia

13-09-2003, 01:22

Yep. We're expanding pretty much everywhere.

Which reminds me, where's your Soyuz IV thread?

13-09-2003, 01:24

here's the Soyuz:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60688

AC:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56577

13-09-2003, 01:26

Ill take 300 Mi-40's Fik.

13-09-2003, 01:29

oorder confirmed

13-09-2003, 01:31

Wired.

Theyre a bit quieter and smaller than Mi-35M, I assume?

Ferrussia

13-09-2003, 01:42

Bayorta, I posted an order on your thread.

FiK, gotta go, but I'm looking into some more Soyuz's.

13-09-2003, 01:48

I offer a number of tanks, artillery and armored vehicles

**M-1A2 tank
This version of the M-1 has advanced targeting systems and can fire 8 Hellfire MMW (AGM-114 hellfires with milimeter wave targeting and a range of 8 kilometers) anti-tank missiles in additon to its 120mm main gun
it costs $3.5 million

**M113 series of vehicles and APCs, the varinats and prices of the vehicles are varied so it would be best to check the link.

**M-2/3/6 Also I have 3 variants of the M-2 bradley m-2 and m-3 cost 2mil each the m-6 linebacks (sam system) costs $2.5million and has 8 stinger missiles.

***M109A6 Paladin Self Propelled 155mm Howitzer comes with hellfire missles for defense as well, costs $2.8million

**M-48 mobile SAM system. This is basicaly the chapparal SAM system except it uses longer range passive radar guided Sparrow missiles instead of IR guided Sidewinders. It has a better range and can hit at higher altitudes then the IR version. it costs $2million

*** M270 rocket artillery (MLRS) , fires 12 270mm rockets at a range of up to 30km or 2 TACMS missiles up to 300km. costs $5.5million

Here's the link to my store
US Army Heavy Armor (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62053&highlight=)

Clan Smoke Jaguar

13-09-2003, 04:15

Bob the 3ed

13-09-2003, 04:21

i'll give you 50% off. sry if you don't like it

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69439&highlight=

Ferrussia

13-09-2003, 06:18

Tyrador, I placed an order on your thread.

Clan, thanks for taking those provisions. They're going to be dispatched immediately to the fronts in the Nimbatan Civil War (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60285), where enemy mortar has been a big problem. I'm posting a huge order on your storefront thread(s). I've only gotten through the first one, I'll work on the naval and SAM thread in a little bit. You've got a great selection, and we're glad to be your customer.

Bob, I'm staying modern/very near future tech, but thanks anyway.

Of the council, I don't know if you're still looking at this thread, but I am seriously considering buying a few of your spec-ops subs.

13-09-2003, 06:21

Wired.

Theyre a bit quieter and smaller than Mi-35M, I assume?
about the same size...more advanced, they are aimed more toward troop carrying with secondary assault roles.

imported_Ell

13-09-2003, 06:54

OOC: If your looking for late-80s to early 90s tech.

*VTOL Capable
*Supercruise
*Cheap

F-16E/F Super Falcon
(F is 2 seater version)
The F-16E is a multi-role fighter that is very capable at both air superiority and ground attack roles. It is a major upgrade on the F-16C/D. It's avionics have been improved, allowing the F-16E to attack effectively beyond visual range. During development, major efforts were sought to keep down the cost of the final product.

The F-16E is based on the defunct XL that was the competitor to the F-15E strike eagle. The F-16XL airframe was selected based on manuevearbility and its low cost. The airframe differs to the F-16A/B/C/D with respects to the wing. A delta wing is used to reduce drag at supersonic levels. Costs have been kept low without adversely affecting performance. The airframe is mostly aluminium, with around a third made with composites to allow flexibility. The nose and body have also been strengthened for a carrier born derivative.

The F-16E uses ESAA's MX-7 turbofan which is capable of a cruising speed of up to Mach 1.8. VTOL capabilty can also be installed if desired. The F-16E uses the MX-7B to achieve VTOL without sacrificing performance. Thrust-vectoring allows the F-16E/F to achieve very tight turns.

To save on costs, no new avionics were developed. Instead, ESAA used a 'helmet' sight system taken from the Mig-29. Wherever the pilot looks, the missile goes. Radar has also been improved. The standard radar on the F-16E is the AN/APG-77 Radar taken from the F-22. Rear facing radar can also be fitted under the tail.

Performance
The F-16E is superior to the Su-27 in terms of dogfighting manueverability, with a 70% rate of success in our tests. The F-16E/F is also superior to the Su-27 in terms of avionics. During the combat tests the F-16 destroyed 85% of all Su-27s in a long range AMRAAM shoot out, inferior only to the F-22 and the ESAA Millenium fighter.

Primary Function: Strike fighter
Powerplant: 1x ESAA MX-7 Thrust-vectoring afterburning turbofan
Cruising speed: Mach 1.8
Max speed: Mach 2.1
Range: 4,500km
Max Take-off weight: 50,000lb
Length: 54.2 ft (16.52 m)
Wingspan: 34.3 ft (10.45 m)
height at vertical tail: 17.7 ft (5.39 m).
Armaments: 10 wing hardpoints. Compactible with AIM-120, AIM-132, AIM-9, AIM-7, AGM-88, AGM-84, AGM-65, AIM-116, All JDAMs, Most dumb bombs.

Air Superiority:
2x AIM-132
6x AIM-120

Ground Attack:
2x AIM-132
4x AIM-120
6x AGM-65

F-16E/F CTOL - $20m
F-16E/F Carrier derivative - $25m
F-16E/F VTOL - $27m

Ferrussia

13-09-2003, 07:19

Looks great, Ell.

360x F-16F Super Falcon ($7.2 b)
144x F-16E Super Falcon ($2.88 b)
72x F-16E Super Falcon - Carrier ($1.8 b)
72x F-16E Super Falcon - VTOL ($1.944 b)

Total is $13.824 billion. I'll have to stop by your storefront again...

Moontian

13-09-2003, 08:30

Moontian Defence Contractors has several helicopters and missiles for sale. All items come fully equipped, only personnel are required. Prices in US$

5000 Apaches $6 million
10,000 Black Hawks $5 million
2500 Sea Hawks $5 million

150 Patriot missiles $1 million
7500 Thor missiles (none nuclear) $2.5 million

13-09-2003, 19:08

Tahar, we're looking at your offers now. Expect back soon.

OOC: Thank you. We will be watching this thread.

Ferrussia

14-09-2003, 07:01

14-09-2003, 20:51

Tahar, I'm having trouble finding the products. I'm not sure if they're buried in the link you gave me, or if you simply posted the wrong link, but I'd really appreciate it if you gave direct links or posted the exact specs and/or description into this thread. I don't have much time, and digging through a 10+ page thread is not exactly what I planned on. :? Sorry if this causes any problems.

Sure thing... I do believe the following list includes all of the items I recommended or even mentioned to you.

Manta submarine and Otter submersible (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1520397#1520397)
TJSC-25AP .25 caliber 30" sniper rifle and associated carbine. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=751224#751224)
Tentacle II Cruiser (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=831200#831200)
Missile Boats... (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1062161#1062161) also found in another thread, but the full specs are there too.
TJF-8 Ghost (and a couple other things - Porpoise is not cleared for export) (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=574271#574271)
Squid class cruiser (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=114950#114950)
Kraken originally found here. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=103056#103056) As I mentioned, it's been modified slightly, namely by enhancing the point defense systems and exchanging the old missile cells for a Hex Box system.
TJB-3 Cyclops. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=104295#104295) The export model has a bit less EW gear and larger, more comfortable crew quarters.
TJB-2 Magus (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=102209#102209)
The infamous TJF-3 Mongoose. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=71262#71262)
We have no solid specifications as of yet for the dreadnaught we would like to build you.

(OOC: How does a rough sketch of ~70,000 tons, 950' long x 115' wide, 20" armor belt, fast, and with both some heavy guns and advanced missile and missile defense systems sound? It's going to cost you around $5B, but I might mention that the price is a bit more realistic than what other people list battleships as, the design will not do anything criminally stupid [such as putting air-to-surface missiles on it - e.g., AS-19 - which can't be fired from a surface position, carrying more weaponry than a ship its tonnage could support, etc] and will be more useful strategically and tactically than most of the other offers around. Of course, you might want to state missile type preferences so I know what kind of missiles to use, but if you want to have to build/stock an entire missile type or three entirely for use by a devastating flagship... is OK by me.)

Ferrussia

16-09-2003, 06:56

Tahar, we'd like:

15x Otter Submersible
25x Manta Submarine
14x Tentacle II class
14x Spitting Cobra Heavy Missile Boat (2 E stations)
14x Serpent Light Missile Corvette (2 E stations, 1 A station)
72x TJF-7 Firefly
72x TJF-7A Firefly variant
36x TJF-8 Ghost

We are also interested in your Dreadnought. We'd like to fill a heavy shore bombardment role w/decent ASW and AA capabilities. With some large guns, helicoptor hangars, and advanced missile/radar systems, it should accomplish this task well. We prefer to stick to US missile systems, but what you deem would be best for the design is good. We'll probably purchase 4, but we'll see once it's fully designed.

Thank you. Please let us know the approximate price and your values on preferred resources.

16-09-2003, 07:06

anyone interested in water pistols . we have five million pistols in excess....buy in bulk....dead cheap or free to anyone who wants to do war against us. think of economy u will be saving

16-09-2003, 14:56

Tilsitsin, we're incredibly interested in your offer. We'd like 10 wings (720) of Is-D-1s, coming to $15.84 billion. We're also interested in the Su-47, and will get back to you on those.
[quote]

Your aircraft have been manufactured and are enroute..

16-09-2003, 17:00

The current order would come to around $45B (not including dreadnaught); we take steel, uranium, tungsten, titanium, jet fuel, and copper, at pretty close to RL prices (just plain uranium is about $20/lb; steel is pretty cheap; titanium and tungsten tend to be a bit more expensive). Please note that manufacture and deliver may take some time, particularly in the cases of the TJF-8s and Tentacle II class cruisers - we don't keep an extra dozen nuclear cruisers sitting in drydock.

Engineering specifications for your dreadnaught, should you settle on wanting it:
Cost estimate $5B EDIT: Forgot armor!

Beam: 125'
Length: 961'
Maximum Draft: 40'
Light Displacement: 54,500 tons
Full Displacement: 70,250 tons
Armor: 19.5" belt, fiber reinforced advanced armor (as seen on the Tentacle II class cruiser)
Aircraft: 4 TJAH-1 or similar (aft hangar, heavy attack chopper) 2 TJAH-2 or similar (2 small hangars starboard and port, scout chopper) 2 TJF-7 or 7A Firefly.
Maximum Speed: 40 kts
Armament:
[b]12 16"/50 guns (2 triple turrets aft, 2 triple turrets fore; foremost turret offset to starboard)
2 Light 5" guns (starboard, port, individual turrets)
Pike Enhance/Phalanx CIWS, 8 20mm mounts (around ship)
1 Pair of Candle 32mm gatlings as a flak cannon mount amidships
7 triple torpedo tubes (1 aftmost, others spread)
2 Hex Box systems (fore/aft, near center and elevated; Hex Box system is a subdivisible 7 cell launcher, Tomahawk and Snake [TJ missile] compatible. Can also launch 14 Harpoon or SM-2, or 42 specialized Sea Sparrow, combinations thereof, and a variety of other missiles. This is also found on the Tentacle II class.)
4 Quad SAM boxes, 16 missiles each (much like the Russian S-300F)
6 Sucker heavy antiship missiles (TJ manufacture - we send blueprints for them with the ship if you buy it), fixed forward mounts (under airstrip, 30 degree elevation. Mach 3.5, 2.5 sea level, range 300 nm.)
Crew: 970 + 100 marines + 80 air crew.

The project, dubbed "Ferret" currently, is an advanced, modern, nuclear powered dreadnaught. With a dozen heavy guns, it can provide more than adequate naval fire support for ground operations. Slightly asymetrical, the lines of the ship lunge out, suggesting its great speed. Like some battleships of old, the "Ferret" project will carry actual planes as well as helicopters for ASW - it is currently slated to have a 250' long airstrip on the left side of its nose, complete with miniature steam catapult and ski jump, to launch a pair of TJF-7 Fireflies. This required moving the foremost 16" gun turret off to the right side of the foredeck, reducing its available firing angles slightly. The ski jump is hardly wasted space though, but the last upthrust of a heavy antiship missile launch system; the 16,000 pound Sucker missiles, 35' long and 3' wide, are emplaced in a fixed, steam accelerated launch system consisting of 150' long tubes placed at a thrity degree elevation. At the last minute of designing the Sucker missile, NDOTJ engineers decided to place an extra half ton of armor on the missile, reducing its range to 300 nautical miles; as a result, the missile is rather more difficult to shoot down than comparable missiles, such as the Granit. A 2500 pound warhead and a speed of mach 2.5 in a final sea-skimming approach vector (missile has final attack options of plunge attack, sea skim attack, or simple attack vector, set at launch) beneath a penetrator head make this missile, although carried in relatively small numbers as a secondary weapon, extremely lethal.

16-09-2003, 17:03

What about my stuff?

At least look at it....

Ferrussia

16-09-2003, 18:16

16-09-2003, 18:44

Tilsitsin, thanks.

Tahar, wow! :D That thing looks awesome! We will put in an initial order of 3, and keep them in mind for future purchases. The $45 billion in raw materials is being collected, expect that soon.

FC, I'd love to. Post some links.

*bows*

Three dreadnaughts will be an additional $15B (total trade agreement quantity $60B)... although the first of them will probably come in at the same time as the last of the vessels you ordered earlier.

Expect all of the missile boats to arrive about the same time as your first materials shipments to us, along with about half of the Fireflies. The Tentacle IIs will arrive by twos and threes over time.

Daistallia

16-09-2003, 18:55

If you are interseted, we have recently begun selling an nice infantry support AFV - the AGM-1 assualt gun-mortar system: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71124

You have dealt with DMI before, and know the quality of our products. :)

(as well as our spelling - corrected)

Ferrussia

16-09-2003, 23:24

Tahar, approximately $60 billion USD has been collected, primarily in copper, steel, and tungsten, with some jet fuel and small amounts of U238. They're being shipped as we speak, and we eagerly await the shipment of our purchases.

Daistallia, we already have a mobile mortar, however this design looks promising. We'll place an order on your thread.

Ferrussia

17-09-2003, 03:32

Pergatorio

17-09-2003, 04:05

If you're looking for a decent assault rifle: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=72017

We have mainly European/Middle East weaponry, but we have a few American things to.

Ferrussia

18-09-2003, 00:09

Thanks, but we're covered in small arms for now. I'll keep you in mind, though.

imported_Ell

18-09-2003, 00:10

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63504&highlight=

I recommend the F/A-21B for carrier based operations (It's basically like the F-18 SuperHornet with the interception capabilities of the F-14).

I also recommend the F/A-2000B as a fighter, and the F-24 for a long-range interceptor/escort.

Ferrussia

18-09-2003, 00:41

Thanks, Ell! The F/A-2000 is a fabulous air superiority fighter, and we'd like to stock it as our primary fighter. The others are great as well - we've had some of them for a while, and would like to get more. So, could we get:

14 wings (1008x) F/A-2000B Millenium Fighter
3 wings (216x) F/A-21B Sirius
A quarter wing (18x) B-23 Vertigo Bomber
188x F-24 Antares Interceptor (to round off the 100)

The unprecidented 14 wing order will put our number of Millenium Fighters at just over the current U.S. deployment of F-16s, so while we realize it's a huge order, we're highly grateful for your accomidation. Thanks for your help!

(Also, do you have a trainer version of the 2000B? We'd like to purchase a few of those...)

18-09-2003, 00:44

beh uh eh yo ah u waited only 30 minutes before choosing a fighter, and u only took one entry ahhh nooo :cry: :cry:

Ferrussia

18-09-2003, 00:51

Phoenix, we're still open to fighter designs. We've actually been waiting 1-2 days (I copied the old post, deleted it, and posted again to bump without cluttering the thread), and the 14 wings hardly fills our entire air force. Similarly large orders are still a high possibility. (And I had been eying ESAA planes for quite a while, so his suggestion of the Millenium made sense for me)

So, I'd love to see what you have to offer!

18-09-2003, 00:56

Might I suggest
The F-27 Haste Stealth Fighter (Next Gen F-22)
The FU-29K Scorpion Unmanned Fighter (great dogfighter)
The F-31X Cyclone Interceptor (F-16 replacement, excelent dogfighter)
The F-33B Phoenix Interceptor (Naval/Cheaper F-22 alternative)
All can be found at the below link. I can come down on the price for a large order.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65638&highlight=F-27

Clan Smoke Jaguar

18-09-2003, 02:07

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

I'm looking to find a single design to be our staple fighter/light attack plane, but I honestly don't know what to look for, and considering there's hundreds of RL and player-designed fighters on NS, I'm quite lost. Our current Air Force is a mish mash of small amounts of a wide array of fighters and planes.

I'd really appreciate any proposals that in at least some detail describe whether and why it is a good A) Air Superiority/Dogfighter, B) Ground/Sea Strike aircraft, or C) Escort. These are the roles we are looking to fill, and VERY LARGE orders will be going to the fighter for each of the three roles that I deem to be the best.

Also, any advice on what makes a fighter good, and different from the countless others on NS would be appreciated as well.

Thanks.

(NOTE: We are still open to other offers, as well. But particularly aircraft.)
I'm apparently a little late with this, but anyway:

There is no real criteria for stating whether or not a fighter is good, or better than another aircraft. It really all depends on what you look at. Many people, for example, use maneuverability as the key factor in an air superiority fighter, saying that if it can't outmaneuver an opponent, a fighter will most likely lose. Such people fail to realize that maneuverability is only important in a short-range engagement, and many of the more maneuverable aircraft are optimized for this (most Soviet fighters fall into this category). The problem is that, against aircraft designed to engage at longer ranges, they will usually prove to be rather ineffective without significant numerical superiority. Otherwise, they'll just get picked off at long range.
The American F-22 takes a different approach, being optimized for medium and long range engagements - the idea here being that if a more maneuverable fighter can't get close enough to dogfight, that advantage is a mute point. The F-22 therefore, utilizes a stealth airframe and LPI radar to engage opponents at medium and long range without being detected (first-look, first-shot, first-kill), and thus avoid any counterattack, or give the target any warning for that matter. Its main disadvantage is a lack of short-range weapons compared to its contemporaries, and the lower maneuverability than some of them. This kind of aircraft is a good escort, patrol and air superiority unit, but is designed for smaller-scale engagements. In a major air battle, it will be much less effective, as it's more of an interceptor than a dogfighter.

There are other important aspects of the design that one might wish to look at. One of the most overlooked is the radar capabilities. Aside from the range of the radar, there's also the important aspect of how many targets the computer can track and engage at once. Many aircraft can only engage 2 or 3 targets (part of the reason Soviet aircraft are directed by ground-based radars, and the US uses AWACS), but some exceptional ones like the F-14 can engage half a dozen targets simultaneously with no trouble, giving them a decided edge in larger engagements. One must also look into economical cruising speed, maximum speed, range, and combat radius, which are all related, and show how far and how fast the aircraft can go.
Another important factor is weapons load. Though actual payload is not much of a factor in air-to-air combat (AAMs are generally much smaller and lighter than bombs and AGMs, so weight limits are rarely met), the number of missiles that can be carried is still limited by the number of possible weapons stations. Most modern aircraft can carry 8-12 missiles, and some of the larger ones can carry 14 or more. Older aircraft, though, are often limited to only 2-6 missiles. Things are further separated by how many of each TYPE of missiles can be carried. The average load is 4 short-range missiles and 4-8 medium/long-range ones. One of the largest payloads of any fighter is found on the F-22, which can carry up to 16 AAMs (8 external and 8 internal), of which 14 are AMRAAMs.

Dedicated strike aircraft merely require a decent payload, and, preferably, the abiltiy to support guided weapons. Ideally, this will include a good radar, an on-board laser designator, and a payload of at least 6000 kg. This is one area where the F-22 is notably lacking, as it’s mission load rarely exceeds 907 kg of bombs (2 1000 lb class JDAMs or 8 250 lb class SDBs).

The best escort aircraft are interceptors that have powerful radar and long-range missiles that can detect and destroy an attacker before it gets close enough to attack the unit being escorted. Ideally, these aircraft will also have good maneuverability and range/endurance as well.

Overall, we admit that Ell's aircraft are solid choices. However, we might suggest that the force be rounded out with some better multirole and dedicated strike aircraft, as most of those aircraft are rather weak in the air-to-ground role.
On that note, we do have a significantly upgraded F-22 available. Though expensive, it exceeds both Ell's F/A-2000 and F/A-21 in both BVR and strike capabilities, and will soon recieve some new medium and long-range AAMs, as well as some air-to-ground weapons we have under development that will further enhance it:

F/A-22C Raptor
Crew: 1
Maximum Weight: 30,839 kg
Speed: Mach 2.3 (2447 km/h), Supercruise Mach 1.6 (1702 km/h)
Range: 3900 km, 8250 km ferry (w/ 4x600 gal fuel tank), 1500 km combat radius
Armament: 2xMain Weapons bay, 2xSide Weapons Bay, 4xUnderwing hard points, 20mm Vulcan cannon w/ 500 rounds
Standard: 6xAMRAAM in MWB, 2xSidewinder in SWB
Attack: 2xAMRAAM & 2x1000 lb JDAM in MWB, 2xSidewinder in SWB
Bomber: 8xSDB (small diameter bomb – 250 lb) in MWB, 2xSidewinder in SWB
Optional Underwing: 4x600 gal fuel tank, 2x600 gal & 4xAIM, 8xAIM, 4-8xLight AGM (HARM, Maverick, etc), or 4x1000 lb class JDAM.
A significantly improved version of the F/A-22 Raptor fighter. This particular upgrade boasts full 3-D thrust vectoring technology, slightly improved engines, a significantly enhanced LPI radar, and increased payload capacity. Unlike the original F/A-22, which only carris JDAMs and SDBs for ground attack (and then, only internally), the "C" version can carry a wide variety of weapons up to the 454 kg (1000 lb) weight class, both internally and externally.
Cost: $100 million

Ferrussia

18-09-2003, 03:59

Soviet Haaregrad

18-09-2003, 04:08

F-29A/B Drow

Primary Function: Advanced High Manuverbility Light Tactical Fighter, Conversion Trainer and LTF(B model)
Contractor: Pan-Haaregradian Defence Institute
Power Plant: 2x TF525-490-V 9 500lbs afterburning thrust vectoring turbofan engine
Length: 48' (14.6 meters)
Height: 14'8" (4.47 meters)
Wingspan: 27'2" (8.28 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 3 200 miles (5 150km)
Empty Weight: 12 000lbs (5 440kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 28 000lbs (12 700kg)
Armament: 2x GAU-25-1 25mm cannon, 2x AA-11 Adder SRAAM, up to 9 000lbs(4 082kg) of external stores including AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $13 500 000USD
Crew: 1, 2 for B model
Notes:
-super manuverable, capable of very high angles of attack
-uses many components from the F-20C/F-5L project
-based on real life X-29 technolegy demonstrator
-able to fly supersonic without using afterburners
-maximum g-loads +12/-4.5, exceeding all modern threat aircraft and also many UCAVs and perceived future threat aircraft
-requires use of the UHGFS g-force system for optimum capabilities
-uses elements of low observability, has a smaller radar signature then the EF 2000 or Su 37

Upon the development of our new Advanced High Agility Light Weight Fighter prototype our scientists encountered a problem, the aircraft could withstand far higher g-loads then the pilot. Only one real option could be considered, due to the high cost of converting the aircraft into a UCAV. That option was an "Ultra High Gravitational Force Suit" or UHGFS. The UHGFS system consists of a g-suit capable of keeping a pilot conscious all the way to +10.8Gs or -3.2Gs when combined with the "Presure Safe Pill" developed by Keystone Pharmasuticals(sp?) the suit is effective up to +12.1Gs and -4.8Gs, the highest in any g-suit, ever.

This project was kept classified until Pan-Haaregradian Defence Institute leaders ruled that it's sale to allied foreign markets would not compromise national security.

Cost per Unit:
UHGFS = $45 000USD
PSPx1000 = $30 000USD

Please note that this suit will only offer appreciable benefits when flying certain Super Manuverable Aircraft, such as the F-29 Drow(soon to be unveiled), Su 37 Super Flanker, F/A-22 Raptor, F-23 Black Widow, F-35 JSF, F-32 JSF(the failed JSF) and thrust vectoring varients(if someone has made any of them) of the JAS 39 Grippen, EF 2000 Typhoon, MiG 29/33 Fulcrum and F-16 Fighting Falcon.

We feel this is the ultimate light fighter, super manuverable, light and inexpenisive, able to out dogfight any other fighters or shoot it out with most larger fighters(the MiG 31, F-115 Advanced Arrow and F-14 excluded). All in all the F-29 is a great small fighter that can also attack ground targets with precision.

http://haaregradia.20megsfree.com/storefront/f29_drow.htm

Ferrussia

18-09-2003, 05:41

Soviet, that looks like a great light fighter. I've just got one question, and then I'd like to place an order: How many hard points (weapon attachment points) does it have?

Clan Smoke Jaguar

18-09-2003, 05:48

CSJ, your expertise is apparent, and your advice is invaluable. Thanks. As for being late, we have by no means finished aircraft purchases. Your improved F/A-22 is very intriguing, and I'd like to purchase a fairly large amount. I do have one question, though - was the capacity noted in your notes (16 AAMs) decreased for your version, or are you simply stating standard, not maximum capacities in your specs? Just curious, still looks like a fabulous plane.

At any rate, we'd like:

8 wings (576x) F/A-22C Raptor

For a total of $57.6 billion. (Dang, aircraft are expensive... :D )

As for Phoenix, I'm looking into your desings (sorry, I take longer with storefronts than direct proposals). Sorry for the delay.
$57.6 billion confirmed.
The aircraft will be delivered in batches of 144. The first batch will arrive within 1 NS month, and the final one within 5.

The F-22C maintains the maximum capacity of 14 AMRAAMs and 2 Sidewinders (16 total) of the basic F/A-22. In addition, there are provisions for Replacing one or two of the AMRAAMs in each weapons bay with Sidewinders for short-range engagements, and it can also mount sidewinders underwing in the same number (two per hard point) as the AMRAAMs. The underwing mounting is usually preferred for the sidewinder, as it allows the pilot to take advantage of the AIM-9Xs seeker.
The biggest difference in payload, however, is that the F/A-22C can carry a full range of air-to-ground weapons underwing, including glide bombs, free fall and cluster bombs, ground attack missiles, and antiship missiles, which the US F/A-22 does not support.
The only thing to note is that the use of external weapons increases radar return, so on missions where stealth is more important than weapons load, the aircraft is sent up with only the internal load (8 missiles).

Ferrussia

18-09-2003, 06:16

Thanks for the confirmations.

Omz222

18-09-2003, 15:24

From the experiences of our own military, although the F/A-2000 has served in over 3 military conflicts, we would recommend:

F-22C Raptor: Tactical Fighter/Strike Fighter
F/A-2000 Millenium: Multirole Fighter
F/A-21B Sirius: Naval-based Strike Fighter

Of the council of clan

18-09-2003, 18:28

I will be producing a Stealth Transport Helo very soon. I've got one prototype but there has been problems with the engines so we are beefing them up. It will carry 10 fully equipped soldiers, have a range of around 1,000 miles, and have 2, 7.62mm 6 Barrel 3,000rpm Gatling guns in internal gun bays. And as well as be equipped with bolt on wings that can carry more, though that destroys the stealth of the chopper. As soon as we fix the engine problems they will be for sale, at roughly 30 million apiece.

it will be known as the MH-73 Night Owl.

Of the council of clan

18-09-2003, 18:30

F-29A/B Drow

OOC: someone reads Forgotten Realms.

Independent Hitmen

18-09-2003, 20:12

We have a Kitty Hawk Carrier if you want it. Give it to you for 45 million USD.

Plus we have newly devloped RTPA1's that will be for sale soon, will give details as they become de-classified.

Independent Hitmen

18-09-2003, 20:14

We have a Kitty Hawk Carrier if you want it. Give it to you for 45 million USD.

Plus we have newly devloped RTPA1's that will be for sale soon, will give details as they become de-classified.

Ferrussia

19-09-2003, 00:04

Thanks for the suggestions, and I patiently await more info on the RTPA1s and Stealth helecoptors.

Any other offers?

19-09-2003, 00:11

:idea: F-27 Haste Fighter
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=65d65fb0-2e72-47c1-3463-72eb4c042735&size=
The F-27 Haste is an air-superiority fighter designed to counter/ replace the F/A-22 Raptor. It features a higher weapons capacity and top speed, although the IR signature is higher than the F-22, it is just as stealthy on radar. Foward swept outer wings, all-moving tailplanes and foward canards provide extreme control an maneverability. Also the thrust nozzles feature vectoring panels with ful up-down vector angles and partial left-right vector angle. The F-27 is also capable of super-cruise (mach 1.5 w/o engaging afterburners).
Specifications
Crew: 1
Length: 60.4 feet
Wing Span: 50 feet.
Power Plant: (2) Afterburing Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-101 turbofans
Takeoff weight: 64,000 pounds
Service Celing: 60,000 feet,
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.6 (empty) Mach 2.3 (loaded)
Weapons
(1) 20mm M61 Vulcan Guns w/ 400 rounds of TPM ammo
(2) AIM-9X Sidewinder or (2)AIM-132 ASRAAM in fuselage ports
[8] AIM-120 AMRAAMs in wing ports
(6) AIM-120 AMRAAMs (4) AIM-54 Phoenix (4) 1,000lb JDAMs or (2) GBU-LGB 2,000lb bombs in weapons bay
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(2) AIM-9X Sidewinder or (2)AIM-132 ASRAAM on wingtips
(2)AIM-9X Sidewinder or (2)AIM-132 ASRAAM or (2) AGM-65 Maverick on outer wing racks (putting weapons here decreases stealth slightly)
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Price
$80 million

If u order alot ill give you them for $75mil a piece (depending on how many u want)

Ferrussia

19-09-2003, 00:46

Looks good. (Sorry I never got back to your storefront post)

We'll order 4 wings (288x) F-27 Haste fighters. Would you like the order at $80 m or $75 m?

And Soviet Haaregrad, I'd really like to order some of your fighters, but you haven't answered my question! :D Hopefully you see this some time soon...

19-09-2003, 04:13

Order confirmed, @ 76 million a piece.

Soviet Haaregrad

19-09-2003, 04:32

Soviet, that looks like a great light fighter. I've just got one question, and then I'd like to place an order: How many hard points (weapon attachment points) does it have?

The F-29A/B Drow has:

-2 wingtip rails for SRAAMs, generally AA-11 Archers are used, however AA-8 Aphid, AIM-9B-M(except C) Sidewinder, AA-2 Atoll(basically a Soviet AIM-9B), and AIM-132 ASRAAM are all compatable, these rails can also hold small fuel tanks, not unlike those carried by F-104 and F-5 pilots.
-4 hardpoints rated at 500kg
-2 inboard wet hardpoints rated at 750kg
-1 centerline wet hardpoint rated at 1250kg, suitable for large fuel tanks, bomb racks or a large bomb

In general practice only the tip rails, outboard most pylons, heavy inboard pylons and occassionally the centerline hardpoint are used.

19-09-2003, 05:58

Your first dreadnaught has been finished, (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1580120#1580120) and more or less measures up to initial specifications.

19-09-2003, 06:14

:idea: FU-29K Scorpion Unmanned Aerial Combat Vehicle
http://home.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=586a2dc3-6ebe-31e8-1ad6-22451950421a&size=
The FU-29K Scorpion, Lovingly referred to as the "Smart FUK" by its operators, is a remotely piloted fully-featured UCAV that has been designed for the air-to-air role. Based on the Grumman X-29, it is extremely manuverable and uses many advanced systems including all-moving canards,a four way thrust vectoring cowling mounted on the afterburner, wing warping "flapelirons" (uses wing-twisting instead of alierons)and a vortex air-flow control system in the nose allowing more controllable supersonic turns and up to a 45 degree angle of attack.
Also the airframe has been hardend to allow up to 15G turns and ACM(Aerial Combat Manuevers). Since there is no pilot onboard, turns over 9G, the current human limit, are possible giving this aircraft the distinct advantage over any human piloted aircraft.The aircraft also has in-flight re-fuel capabiltiy
http://home.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=71f84c1c-6f5e-27d0-755c-30fc4c786508&size=
Specifications
Length: 49 feet
Wing Span: 27.2 feet.
Power Plant: 1 General Electric F406-GE-200 producing 17,000 lbs of thrust.
Empty weight: 13,400 pounds,
Takeoff weight: 18,000 pounds.
Service Celing: 50,000 feet,
Maximum Speed: Mach 1.98
Weapons
(2) 20mm M61 Vulcan Guns w/ 600 rounds of TPM ammo
(6) AIM-120 AMRAAM Slammer on under-wing hardpoints
(2) AIM-9X Sidewinder or AIM-132 ASRAAM on wingtips
(4) AIM-54 Phoenix or AGM-65 Maverick under fuselage
Electronics
360 degree Enhanced resolution video cameras w/ nightvision + FLIR systems
Gun sight w/ 100X optical zoom
3D digital video array arround "cockpit" area
Fly-By-Wire CPU
Flight Stablization CPU
UHF, VHF, Direct Microwave, Laser and SATCOM communications systems
GPS reciever
2 Redundant Flight-Data reciver/transmitter modules
Price
$25 million

The FU-29K is piloted by an operator (in our airforce usualy disabled veteran pilots or specialy trained flight students) in a small flight simulator(can a fit a few in a trailer) with wrap-around video screen, a HUD and 4 Head-Down displays, simple flight and weapons controls and hydralic lifts in the seat to allow intiutive pilot response. The control units can be placed anywhere and if you have satalites,they can be operated anywhere in the world. The control units are included in the price of the aircraft.

Bottom line: This fighter saves you on dangerous search and rescue for downed pilots, is more manuevrable then any manned fighter and can hold an excellent weapons load. BUY NOW!!!

Western Asia

19-09-2003, 06:32

In looking over purchases so far, we have a few items to fill your requirements...and a few for your forces that you haven't mentioned.

As far as your requested items, we can fill your request for naval-based ground-strike capabilities with our F/A-18IE/F SuperHornet (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1088344#1088344), a highly capable platform with extended range and capacity over the older F/A-18 Hornets. A branching of the F/A-18IE/F program led to the creation of the F/A-18IG (EA-18 ) 'Growler' AEW (Airborne Electronic Warfare) plane. The Growler provides the EW escourt capabilities that have proven not only helpful, but necessary, in the execution of from-sea strikes against 'protected' enemy targets.

By using the F/A-18IF as a base for the Growler, the entire flight of strike aircraft can share maintenance work and parts, while providing the airwing of your naval forces with on-hand EW capabilities. This also means that the Growler can keep up with any of its fellow aircraft on a combat mission, greatly enhancing the abilities of from-sea airstrikes, which have previously been limited in part by the inherent limitations of the EA-6B Prowler system(also sold), which is simply not up to many of today's EW tasks.

For your Marine and Army forces, we present the AH-1Z UltraCobra (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=783622#783622), a variant of the AH-1 Cobra family that adds vast improvements to the platform. The UltraCobra (also known as the 'ZuluCobra' and 'Zulu') is now the main fast-strike ground-support attack helicopter in the WA Marine Corps (the primary fighting force) and has proven itself against a variety of opponents in both simulated and actual warfare conditions. Some more on the AH-Z's innovative systems: link (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=670516#670516).

Now, as far as our own suggestions/offerings, we'd suggest some heavy transport capabilities. If you want to be involved in world affairs, you need the ability to transport and support ground and air forces in the region of action. For this purpose in WA's own forces, the Western Asian Strategic Transport Development Effort was launched several years ago. A recent update of the original report (Link (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1568750#1568750)) laid out many of the items that are also available for sale. The main items listed are designed to support friendly forces over long distances with a streamlined and improved supply chain based on the use of heavy-lift, medium- and low-speed air transports that fill the gap between fast but low-capacity conventional transport jets and super-slow but high-capacity sealift transports.

For ground/infantry capabilities, we've sought to enhance the power of the individual soldier, so we introduced a variety of high-power/high effect infantry-based weapons that allow an infantry squad or platoon to deploy heavy direct and indirect fire against enemy forces without deploying a full mortar system and without relying upon heavy support units that may have difficulty managing urban environments. The main weapon towards this end is the 76mm HIWS, which fires a large round (2.2lb payload) several hundred yards against enemy targets with a high degree of accuracy. The HIWS can be used in any environment and with only standard training in the use of the system (only a course during basic training and some practice). For more on the HIWS and other WA infantry weapons, you can look here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1417763#1417763). To enhance capabilities against armored units, the relatively cheap SHIPON Multi-Purpose Personal Assault Weapons System (M-PPAWS) (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=592923#592923) rocket launch system was developed. The simple rocket provides enhanced mission-kill against armored and semi-armored enemy units for your forces under almost any environmental situation. Both the HIWS and SHIPON systems have faced combat situations and have proven themselves to meet, if not to exceed, the expectations of commanders (there have been demands that HIWS system deployment spread out of the Heavy Weapons platoons within our MEUs, as the standard marine platoons also seek the proven capabilities of the system). The SHIPON is now standard-issue with Western Asia's Special Operations Forces (SOF) and is a mainstay of Sayeret Egoz, WA's premier Counter-Insurgency/Guerilla Warfare group, which specializes in ambushes of enemy armored and unarmored groups using only a handful of men...and the SHIPON has demonstrated itself in killing numerous enemy vehicles.

As a part of this 'infantry enhancement' program, the Desert Raider (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=606437#606437) light scout/patrol/strike vehicle was developed and fielded. The Desert Raider provides vastly enhanced capabilities to Special Operations as well as conventional 'light' forces as its unique design overcomes the difficulties that have plagued so many other light scout and fast attack vehicles (ie, weapons limitations, limited terrain management ability, a lack of helicopter-transportability, high-detectable signature presence, high weight, low-fording capability, low-speed, low-carrying capacity, and many other issues...all of which are addressed and overcome by the Desert Raider).

When faced with hostile crowds of civilians or prisoners, and so when deadly force is simply not an option, our SoundBlaster (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=950394#950394) family of systems might be found to your liking. The variable and high degree of control means that the SoundBlasters can be used in any number of roles...even in urban combat operations to limit possible enemy approaches to friendly strong-points and to push away large crowds that may harbor enemy fighters or terrorists.

For your ground-support strike helicopters, you might be interested in the AGM-114K/M/N Hellfire II (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=880427#880427) series of air-to-ground missiles. The Hellfire IIs feature an enhanced engagement capability and the M and N variants (see link for description) offer enhanced abilities against entrenched and fortified targets (even infantry).

For naval operations, our advanced aircraft carriers (link (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1230625#1230625)) are available if wanted.

To protect your men and your ships from the ever-present danger of ballistic and cruise missiles, the MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser) (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=353133#353133) system can (on one of a variety of platforms) provide wide-area protection against these, and other, threats. The Land-based MTHEL system can accompany armored groups, protecting them against the dangers of WMDs and high-capacity cruise and strike weapons.

Ferrussia

19-09-2003, 07:26

First off, thanks to everyone who's posted. I won't be able to make purchases for the most recent posts (sorry) because it's really late and I won't be here tomorrow. So, all of you can expect orders on Saturday or Sunday (depending on how much time I have and how much sugar I consume :wink: ).

Soviet, thanks for the info, I'll be posting an order soon (see above).

Tahar, I'm glad to hear it! 8) Thanks for this awesome custom design. We're sending a skeleton crew to see her into Ferrussian waters, and it will soon be christened the FMS Dauntless Ferret, and establish the dreadnought line as the "Ferret" class. We'd like to order 3 more, if possible, although these need not be a high priority. $15 billion in primarily copper and steel has been collected, and is ready to be shipped upon confirmation of this additional order. Thanks again!

Phoenix, looks good, though we have our doubts about unmanned full-size fighters. We'll most likely buy a wing or two soon (see above).

Western Asia, I took a few minutes to glance at the posts for your proposals, and what I saw was excellent. We'll be posting a (probably large) order soon; would you like it posted here or in your thread?

Thanks again to everyone, and I eagerly await further offers!

Western Asia

19-09-2003, 09:53

Fer, just post it there if you feel like it...or I'll check this thread over the next day or so to see if an order is here. I'm glad that you appreciate the work I put into that damn set of posts (I didn't realize that there was a limit on post length...now I know) :D .

19-09-2003, 18:56

To protect your men and your ships from the ever-present danger of ballistic and cruise missiles, the MTHEL (Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser) (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=353133#353133) system can (on one of a variety of platforms) provide wide-area protection against these, and other, threats. The Land-based MTHEL system can accompany armored groups, protecting them against the dangers of WMDs and high-capacity cruise and strike weapons.

At a round table in a hardened military command center, several men quietly discussed intelligence.

"Could it possibly be the case that Western Asia had inflitrators on site during the Amerigan War?"

(OOC: If you don't know what I mean... go read the whole Amerigan War sometime, or re-read it... bonus points if you can catch the specific reference.)

Western Asia

20-09-2003, 02:27

OOC: The Amerigan war is definitely on my reading list...I missed it the first time around. I'll see about the time.

Soviet Haaregrad

24-09-2003, 20:44

F-29A/B Drow

OOC: someone reads Forgotten Realms.

OOC: But of course...

Ferrussia

24-09-2003, 22:45

OOC: Aack! Sorry to everyone for the huge delay... I'll try and get some orders in soon, but no guarantees...

East Islandia

24-09-2003, 22:51

If you desire good assault weapons, East Fire Military Corporation of East Islandia will sell you Type 97 rifles, licensed SAR-21S1 rifles, and the Type 80 Submachine gun. All these weapons are in bullpup layout (OOC imagine the Type 80 being a FN P90 SMG without the thing in front; my scanner isnt working, so i cant relaly put up a pic of that), and if you also desire, we will sell you some tanks, such as Chinese built Type 98s and Type 96s, as well as a few indigenous ones.

imported_Ell

24-09-2003, 23:06

ESAA is on the brink of finishing a working Airbourne laser with frightening accuracy up to 320km range against missiles. The ABL has also been tested on satellites and has the potential to function as an Anti-satellite weapon as well.

Ferrussia

25-09-2003, 05:58

Phoenix, for experimental purposes we'll take a half-wing (36x) FU-29K planes. I believe the total is $900 million.

Soviet Haaregard, the F-29A/B looks great. We'd like to put in an order for 4 wings (288x) F-29B Drow and 3 wings (216x) F-29A Drow. The total on those is, I believe, $6.804 billion. In addition, we'd like 1,584 UHGFS suits, for $71.28 million. Total, then, is $6,875.28 million (~$6.88 billion).

Western Asia,

I wasn't sure on the prices for all of your stuff, so could you a) post definate prices for everything, and/or b) let me know how much the order costs? Thanks.

The F/A-18I versions look excellent for our carrier-based attack operations. We're instating it as a major carrier-based aircraft, to be deployed in some force in almost every Carrier Battle group, as well as some other applications.

The AH-1Z UltraCobra, we believe, has a huge potential in ground support that we feel is not only advantageous, but neccessary. Our experiences in the Nimbatan Civil War (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60285) showed us the true neccessity for field-deployable close-in ground support, particularly when an airfield (or at least not a high-capacity one) is not avaliable nearby. Would the helicoptor, if neccessary, be able to land on buildings/in parking lots/in fields if neccessary? I don't know much about helicopters, and if they can, this will be an excellent solution to localized field ground support and ordered as the main attack/ground support helicopter in Ferrussian forces.

We are amazed by the capacity of the PelicanULTRA and other planes, and have once again felt the need in the Nimbatan Civil War for high-capacity air transports.

BTW, is the Siphon fully self contained (ie disposable launcher with each missile), or does it have seperate launchers?

These and many other of your systems are being ordered, so here it goes:

5 wings (360x) F/A-18IE SuperHornet
7 wings (504x) F/A-18IF SuperHornet
1 wing (72x) EA-18 "Growler" AEW
10 wings (720x) AH-1Z UltraCobra
45x C-200 PelicanULTRA
5x CM-200 "Angry Pelican"
(We'd be interested in purchasing AlbatrossLSTRA, if they're declassified)
500x "Desert Raider" RSV/FAV
20,000 SIPHON missile (w/2,000 launchers if sold seperately)

If possible, we'd like to buy production rights (for our own purposes only) for the AGM-114K HELLFIRE II missile (and variants), to arm our UltraCobras, and possibly other uses. We can place an order to accompany the production rights order, or simply buy them outright. Up to you. I'm interested in the prod. rights only because I like to be able to replenish my own forces, instead of purchasing missiles every other month.

Ell, we're very interested in your ABL system. Let us know when it's complete, we may wish to employ it in limited numbers.

Thank you all for your help and offers. With over 4 trillion remaining, we're still open to more offers.

25-09-2003, 06:57

Order for 36 FU-29K and 36 control units confirmed, the $900million has been received.

Also I would bet the FU-29Ks shares componets with the F-29 Drow so thier is that added bonus (mechanics could switch between the 2 aircraft much more easily.) :)

Soviet Haaregrad

26-09-2003, 05:20

Soviet Haaregard, the F-29A/B looks great. We'd like to put in an order for 4 wings (288x) F-29B Drow and 3 wings (216x) F-29A Drow. The total on those is, I believe, $6.804 billion. In addition, we'd like 1,584 UHGFS suits, for $71.28 million. Total, then, is $6,875.28 million (~$6.88 billion).

The delivery of aircraft and suits will begin shortly. Enjoy your ultra-manuverable fighters.

Soviet Haaregrad

28-09-2003, 01:39

imported_Sileetris

28-09-2003, 03:44

http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/storefrontgroundvehicles.htm

First tank on the page, very cost effective and very useful for fast ground offensives. Working in concert, several of them can level bases with their rapid firing ability

http://www.freewebs.com/bluebomber/storefrontweapons.htm

The first assault rifle, for the ease of using captured supplies. Down the page a bit is the MADHATRR, a repeating rocketlauncher ideal for replacing grenade launchers in squad support. Further down is the Model 4 laser pistol, a very useful secondary weapon...

Western Asia

28-09-2003, 08:52

Tag

28-09-2003, 08:55

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=75255

I recommend the Carriers, they are really good.

Of the council of clan

29-09-2003, 15:41

Thanks for the suggestions, and I patiently await more info on the RTPA1s and Stealth helecoptors.

Any other offers?

The Stealth Helo is Done.

Cost 35 Million apiece
"The MH-73 Night Owl is an innovative and groundbreaking development in the field of personnel transport helicraft. With a stealthy design based on the the RAH-66 Comanche's stealth body form but with the capacity to bear as many men as any modern medium-lift helicopter. The Night Owl is ideal for Special Operations employments for the insertion of significant covert might deep behind enemy lines with a minimized chance of detection. Special design features enhance the capabilities and decrease the dangers and maintenance issues that are normally faced with such craft. The MH-73 promises to revolutionize modern airborne covert operations forces."

The Night Owl borrows the Stacked-rotor system from the Russian Kamov line, which allows the MH-73 to drop the tail rotor that otherwise presents an issue for RCS reductions.

The pilot and co-pilot sit side by side on armour protected seats. The other two crew members are seated in armored seats at their stations. The forward hinged doors are jettisonable. Meanwhile, the heated and ventilated main cabin can accommodate up to 20 armed troops, who are protected by a layer of Kevlar/SilkArmor Interwoven Ballistic Protection Material (K/SA I-BPM) and a layer of steel plating.

Engines:
Type: 2 x GE T700-GE-401C turboshaft engines
Take-off rating: 1,260kW each

Range: 400-550 statute miles (without external tanks)

Cruise Speed: 184 mph / 296 km/h / 160 kts
MAX Speed (DO NOT EXCEED): 219mph / 353km/h / 190 kts

Vertical rate of climb (95% MRP):
4000' 95°F 1,600 fpm
2000' 70°F 2,800 fpm
SLS 3,000+ fpm

MAX Ceiling: 20,000 ft ASL (Above Sea Level)

Dimensions
Main rotor diameter: 16.36m
Overall length with rotors turning: 19.76m

Height to top of rotor head: 4.12m
Length of fuselage: 15.26m
Cabin volume: 11.6m^3

Empty Weight: 12,200lbs
Max Weight: 19,000lbs

Primary Function: Covert Infiltration, exfiltration and resupply of special operations forces in day, night or marginal weather conditions.

ARMAMENT: Twin, retractable ------ Gatling guns that sit in covered bays on the belly of the aircraft during standard operations.

Bolt on wings much like the Comanche's are possible as well, and the Night Owl maintains the weapons pylon attachment sites of the H-60 series.

GUN Options:
1) Army M134 (AKA: Air Force GAU-2B/A; Navy GAU-17A) 7.62mm "minigun" with flash-suppressor (Standard door gun on Blackhawk series. Can be internally or externally mounted (not under-nose).
Info: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/m134.htm

2) GAU-19/A 12.6mm (.50 cal) Externally Mounted Gatling Gun
Info:
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/2002/arm_systems/pdf-name/GAU-19%20Ext%20Mounted.pdf (64k PDF)
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/gau-19_externalmount/gau-19_external.htm

3) XM301 20mm Gatling Gun (on Comanche)
Info:
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/comanche/comanche.htm
http://www.gdatp.com/Products/lethality/xm301/xm301.htm

MANNING:
Crew: 2 pilots, one flight engineer and one gunner (4 total)
Passengers: 14 Fully-equipped Soldiers (20 with weapons and combat-packs only)

FEATURES:

Mission Capabilities
* VERTREP (Vertical Replenishment)
* Strike Rescue
* Special Warfare Support (SWS),
* MEDEVAC
* Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR)
* Anti-surface Strike
* Covert recovery of sensor torpedoes, drones, unmanned aerial vehicles, and unmanned undersea vehicles
* Noncombatant evacuation operations

Mission Systems
* Aircraft Survivability Systems
* Infrared (IR) Jamming System
* Chaff and Flare Dispensers (2)
* Radar Warning Receiver
* Emergency Locator
* Hover IR Suppressor System
* Wire Strike Protection Systems (incl. Line Cutter)
* Advanced Flight Controls
* Marinized Materials (Approved for naval operations)
* Automatic Main Rotor Fold (for rapid stowage)
* Rapid Folding Tail Pylon (for rapid stowage)
* Rotor Brake System
* In-Flight Refueling Capability
* Fuel-Dumping Capability

Communications Systems
* Dual UHF/VHF/FM Radios
* HF Radio
* IFF
* VHF/UHF/HF/IFF Crypto Computers

Navigation Systems
* VHF/UHF DF
* TACAN
* TACNAV
* Doppler Radar
* Radar Altimeter
* Embedded GPS/INS
* FLIR (Forward-Looking Infrared) Integrated Targeting and Guidance Systems

Tactical Data Systems
* Dual, Redundant Mission Computers
* Digital Data Bus Architecture (MIL-STD-1553B)
* Multi-function Keypad Access
* Cockpit Video Displays
* Two "smart" Multi-Function Displays (SMFD)
* Two Multi-Function Displays (MFD)
* Limited Hands On Throttle and Stick (HOTAS) capability
* Two mission computers and a flight control computer.

Mission Subsystems
* 9,000 Pound Capacity External Cargo Hook
* Night Vision Goggle Compatible Lighting
* Rescue Hoist
* Automatic Approach, Coupled Hover, Automatic Departure

Weapon System Compatibility (Ext. Mount Pylons)
* Various Machine Guns
* 2.75" Rockets
* Stinger Missile
* Maverick
* Hellfire II Missile (various makes)

Each SMFD presents flight instrument, warning/caution/advisory (WCA), navigation, and engine information, while each MFD presents aircraft system, detailed WCA, and mission information. Particularly noteworthy, is the novel WCA system which breaks the paradigm of the standard caution/advisory panel, incorporating logic, prioritization, and graphics functions during WCA processing and display on the MFD's.

The Night Owl will be able to operate day or night, under adverse weather conditions, including flight in light icing. The helicopter will be compatible with all current and future Aircraft Carriers, CLF, and ATF ships to include fitting inside the hangars of all CLF ships without ship alteration. The helicopter will be capable of operating over all designated ship hover areas, both day and night, and be compatible for limited operation aboard both aviation and air capable ships proportionate with a fixed fore-to-aft wheelbase of 29 feet.

The Blackhawk-style tail wheel, positioned further aft, allows for a steeper landing approach to a confined area. The Night Owl’s larger cabin (as in Western Asia’s Nighthawk) will enable it to carry more troops; its two larger cargo doors will allow more rapid deployment of the rigid inflatable boats for Navy sea-air-land (SEAL) type team members. The Night Owl also will be more crash-worthy than the standard UH-60, and will be fitted with better self-sealing fuel tanks capable of withstanding rounds up to 7.62 mm. The external stores support system installed on the Night Owl will allow more fuel and weapons to be carried.

Soviet Haaregrad

02-10-2003, 03:11

AR 21 Advanced Infantry Assault Weapon

Length: 750mm (30")
Weight: 3.32kg (7.30 lbs.)
Caliber: 6.56x42mm
Muzzle Velocity: 884mps (2900FPS)

-Bullpup case
-accepts 15, 20, 30 or 45 round clips(30 rnd is standard)
Add-ons available:
10x telescopic scope
20 gauge shotgun(attatches under barrel)
40mm grenade launcher
bayonette
light
red dot sight
others in development.

$750 per unit, $1250 with all attachments

Great Mateo

02-10-2003, 04:21

Manta Class Fast Attack Minisub

http://i.timeinc.net/popsci/images/science/sci0403subs_A1.jpg

Length: 30 feet
Height: 9 feet
Width: 28 feet
Max speed with standard armament: 75 knots
Max Operating Depth: 700 feet (home sub may not go below this depth either, or the mini sub will be crushed)
Crew: 3
Combat Radius: 100 miles
Armament: 10 horizontal launch tubes, which can hold any tube launched weapon under 20 feet in length, including Mk. 48 and torpedo tube launched Tomahawk cruise missiles. Tubes can be simultaneously fired. No added storage. Comes with Mk. 50 torpedoes.
Cost: 525 million, 10% discount to regional allies, and 10% discount on orders of more than 8.

Deployed from a larger sub, this vessel's speed and ability to empty all of its weaponry at once makes it perfect for fast hit and run attacks on enemy coast lines. The high amount of noise it generates while operating does not matter in most cases, because its amazing speed enables it to outrun most torpedoes. In fact, this speedy ship is able to become completely airborne for a very brief moment when performing an emergency rise at full speed. Its short combat radius requires it to return to the "mother" sub or base very often for refueling, limiting it to fast attack and return missions, close quarters aid for battles with other subs, and close range coastal defense.

Tube launched Tomahawks and Mk. 48 torpedoes will be available for purchase as well within 1 week RL.

02-10-2003, 09:07

We are ridding ourselves with 9900 units of the Orion MkI Main Battle Tanks, as we are upgrading our own armies to rely on the Orion MkII, which is basically a slower, heavier armoured equivalent. The selling price is roughly 45 billions, althous I think we could give you a 5 billion discount if you decide to take the lot of them.

Orion MkI Main Battle Tank

-Description:
The Orion MkI is a main battle tank, designed first and foremost to combat enemy armour. It is quick enough to advance into enemy territory at a reasonable pace as it is conquered, but falls short of the Sirius MkI in speed by a long shot. On the other hand, it carries significant amounts of firepower, and is heavily armoured enough to withstand a direct hit from most infanty-carried anti-tank weaponry.

-Armament:
The Orion has a 175mm smoothbore cannon as its main gun, firing AP or HE shells. It has a tower-mounted 12,7mm coaxial heavy machine gun, serving as AA-defense. The Orion also features two nose-mounted twin light MG's, cal. 7,65mm.

-Armour:
Tower, 80cm NT fibers
Front, 80mm NT fibers
Side, 65mm NT fibers
Rear, 45mm NT fibers

-Engine:
Unspecified

-Motivation:
Tracked

-Max speed:
90kmh

-Crew:
4.

-Estimated Price:
4,5 million.

02-10-2003, 21:21

would you like to buy some girl guide cookies for 100 billion a box?

Arribastan

02-10-2003, 21:25

how bout this:
humvees, specially modified. can cross streams up to 5 feet deep hold 10 men. TOW launcer and machine gun. has a crew of 3. driver, gunner, missle launcher. not really a HMMWV, that was more of a starting idea.
price:$750,000

Of the council of clan

02-10-2003, 21:31

Arribastan

02-10-2003, 21:33

Arribastan

02-10-2003, 21:41

ah ha! the proof.
I forgot who, but somebody wrote this.
That's one hell of a modified HMMWV to have a TOW/Machine gun, AND carry 10 troops AND be able to ford depths of 5ft of water.

02-10-2003, 21:44

why not buy some girl gudie cookies for 100 billion?

Of the council of clan

02-10-2003, 23:56

ah ha! the proof.
I forgot who, but somebody wrote this.
That's one hell of a modified HMMWV to have a TOW/Machine gun, AND carry 10 troops AND be able to ford depths of 5ft of water.

the HMMWV is modular enough it is possible, you mount the Turret in the Truck model, Attach the Machine Gun Co-axialy to the missile launcher, Add the fording kit for 5 ft of water(HMMWV's Can) Budda bing you have a hummer that can do all that you asked.

Soviet Haaregrad

05-10-2003, 02:15

Of the council of clan

05-10-2003, 02:20