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This is the first offical public unvailling of the Ocelot TD.1 tanks destroyer. This tank destroyer was designed arround its main armorment, a 155mm high velocity cannon. This gun is the most important feature of this tank, and the only part that is unique. 35mm bigger then the M-1A1/A2's cannon, the 155mm fires an extreemly high velocity round, that contains a powerful charge. A charge powerful enough to destroy an Abrams at 7 miles distance.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/leopard-c1_58.jpg
The Ocelot TD.Mk.1 has entered service and the 5th Armored Divion has already reequipted. 896 are in service in that Division (128 being Company Comanders versions). The 1st Armored Divison is next on schedule to recive 1 Birgade of these tank destroyers.
http://www.military.cz/german/armour/tanks/leopard_1/leo1_10.jpg
An Ocelot's crew consists of 4 men: Commander, Gunner, Loader, and Driver.
http://w1.500.telia.com/~u50015076/STRVSKJ.JPG
Name: Ocelot
Mark: TD.Mk.1
Manufacturers: Severskian Land Combat Systems, SAI-Land, Harunaan Motor Industri.
Main Armorment: 155mm HV Cannon
Secondary Armorment: 1*15.5mm Coax, 2*15.5mm Heavy MG mounted on turret roof.
Ammo: 45 155mm, 3000 15.5mm
Engine: 1*HMI W-12 diesil, 2,000 bHp
Max Speed: 45mph
Max Range: 600 miles
Armor: Classified
Armor type: Composite/steel
Froding: Amphib. w/ preporation.
Night vision equipment: Driver/gunner/commander (IFR and NV)
NBC protection: yes.

Cost is 2.6 million USD per unit. UNAOTO members get a .1 million USD discount. Other discounts will be given on a case by case basis. Licenses are avalible.

Nice....


*yells at his military staff to get a 7 mile ranged ATGM for ground to ground combat*

I would have though that a 155mm gun would have required soemthing a bit more than a leopard to hold it (i know the T-7 Gilgamesh is a lot bigger bu then it's a fully fledged MBT rather than just a tank hunter).

I would have though that a 155mm gun would have required soemthing a bit more than a leopard to hold it (i know the T-7 Gilgamesh is a lot bigger bu then it's a fully fledged MBT rather than just a tank hunter).
Its an inlarged Leopard. Basicly the intire structure was inlarged, and then strengthened. In order to keep the weight down, sections of it are constructed out of carbon-fiber (similar to the JAS 39 Gripen fighter), and other various composites. After it was inlarged, we just shoehorned the 155 in to it.

*le bump!*

thats cool with me :)

We have been in the market for a good tank killer, is 7 miles the actual killing range or is that a predicted range? In any case, I would like to purchase 2000 of these tanks, and also production rights... Any chance of a discount?

Money will automaticly be wired upon confirmation.

We have been in the market for a good tank killer, is 7 miles the actual killing range or is that a predicted range? In any case, I would like to purchase 2000 of these tanks, and also production rights... Any chance of a discount?

Money will automaticly be wired upon confirmation.
Sure. They will be shiped upon compleation and should be arriveing in 1 rl week. The production rights will cost you 25 Billion USD. The 2000 Ocelots will cost you 5.2 billion USD.

No, its able to kill at up to 8.5 miles, but we tested it on 1 abrams at 7 miles distance, and it blew the turret off the abrams. Its just that at 8.5 the result isnt quite that spectacular.

Although we regret that we will not be buying any of these fine weapons, seeing as our own MBT uses a 155mm howitzer, we have several questions:

1. How accurate is this thing at long range? It strikes us that a sabot, which is not spin-stabilized, would be quite difficult to make kills with at a distance. Also over those 7 miles the projectile would likely lose a lot of velocity, making it less deadly, thus requiring more shots...therefore accuracy is more important than ever.

2. At what angle does the sabot strike the enemy tank, ideally? Are you trying to hit the top of the tank, or arc it down to the front or sides?

3. How fast can it move/rounds can it carry/armor does it have?

OOC: Seriously, hitting anything at long with a sabot would be all but impossible; smoothbore weapons just do not have very much accuracy at long range (remember old-school smoothbore muskets, and how bad they were?) and the sabot itself only has small fins, whose main purpose is to cancel out any spin imparted upon it. I don't think a sabot shot would be able to hit anything, much less a small, mobile target, at a range of more than a mile or two.

That's why our 155mm cannon-packing tank uses a rifled barrel and SADRAM/Copperhead rounds ;) But of course if you know it better or can explain it better more power to you. Nice job on the pricing as well IMHO, assuming it is poorly armored like you implied. Maybe a bit low, but not crazy like most folks around here...

nice idea but if it just looked cooler, ie not a leopard or a standard MBT.

Although we regret that we will not be buying any of these fine weapons, seeing as our own MBT uses a 155mm howitzer, we have several questions:

1. How accurate is this thing at long range? It strikes us that a sabot, which is not spin-stabilized, would be quite difficult to make kills with at a distance. Also over those 7 miles the projectile would likely lose a lot of velocity, making it less deadly, thus requiring more shots...therefore accuracy is more important than ever.

2. At what angle does the sabot strike the enemy tank, ideally? Are you trying to hit the top of the tank, or arc it down to the front or sides?

3. How fast can it move/rounds can it carry/armor does it have?

OOC: Seriously, hitting anything at long with a sabot would be all but impossible; smoothbore weapons just do not have very much accuracy at long range (remember old-school smoothbore muskets, and how bad they were?) and the sabot itself only has small fins, whose main purpose is to cancel out any spin imparted upon it. I don't think a sabot shot would be able to hit anything, much less a small, mobile target, at a range of more than a mile or two.

That's why our 155mm cannon-packing tank uses a rifled barrel and SADRAM/Copperhead rounds ;) But of course if you know it better or can explain it better more power to you. Nice job on the pricing as well IMHO, assuming it is poorly armored like you implied. Maybe a bit low, but not crazy like most folks around here...

Unfortunetly, the info on the cannon is clasified, but yes, you're right, useing a sabot would be nearly impossible. However, there is a way to destroy a tank at that range. Simply put enough explosives in the shot to power through any armor.

In responce to your third question, however:
appx. 50mph (which happens to be faster then the British Challenger 2.)
It carries 45 rounds max.
The thickness of armor is classified, but it is pretty thick, and contain Composite materials (which happen to be stronger then the steel normally used)

*hump!*

Hmm...Interesting, but the best way to get a 155mm punch is, IMHO, an 140mm ETC/LP cannon. About as much recoil as 120mm, but hits like a 155mm. Not to mention full 155mms are a pain to mount...

Hmm...Interesting, but the best way to get a 155mm punch is, IMHO, an 140mm ETC/LP cannon. About as much recoil as 120mm, but hits like a 155mm. Not to mention full 155mms are a pain to mount...
Not when you use duct tape :roll:
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I use the FT-3 ADATS. it has big HEAT shells.

Heres a pic:

http://www.militarycanada.8m.com/adats-2a.jpg

It has missiles :roll:

HEAT is useless against ERA, too.

BTW- the recoil would be pretty bad unless it weighs about 80 tons.

It is still listed as an ADATS.....

unless I got the wrong thing.

Anyways, it can be adapted to use SABOT

Although we regret that we will not be buying any of these fine weapons, seeing as our own MBT uses a 155mm howitzer, we have several questions:

1. How accurate is this thing at long range? It strikes us that a sabot, which is not spin-stabilized, would be quite difficult to make kills with at a distance. Also over those 7 miles the projectile would likely lose a lot of velocity, making it less deadly, thus requiring more shots...therefore accuracy is more important than ever.

2. At what angle does the sabot strike the enemy tank, ideally? Are you trying to hit the top of the tank, or arc it down to the front or sides?

3. How fast can it move/rounds can it carry/armor does it have?

OOC: Seriously, hitting anything at long with a sabot would be all but impossible; smoothbore weapons just do not have very much accuracy at long range (remember old-school smoothbore muskets, and how bad they were?) and the sabot itself only has small fins, whose main purpose is to cancel out any spin imparted upon it. I don't think a sabot shot would be able to hit anything, much less a small, mobile target, at a range of more than a mile or two.

That's why our 155mm cannon-packing tank uses a rifled barrel and SADRAM/Copperhead rounds ;) But of course if you know it better or can explain it better more power to you. Nice job on the pricing as well IMHO, assuming it is poorly armored like you implied. Maybe a bit low, but not crazy like most folks around here...

Unfortunetly, the info on the cannon is clasified, but yes, you're right, useing a sabot would be nearly impossible. However, there is a way to destroy a tank at that range. Simply put enough explosives in the shot to power through any armor.

In responce to your third question, however:
appx. 50mph (which happens to be faster then the British Challenger 2.)
It carries 45 rounds max.
The thickness of armor is classified, but it is pretty thick, and contain Composite materials (which happen to be stronger then the steel normally used)
50mph is probably a bit too fast. With a gun that big and heavy armor, it's not going to outrun MBTs. You can claim it's much slower (say, 35mph) or very lightly armored, but not that its big, heavily armed, well armored, and faster than any tank short of an Abrams.
Also, please don't try to tell me that your gun can provide accurate direct fire at 7 km. Indirect yes, but not direct. There is simply no round that can claim anywhere near that performance, and you don't seem to be claiming anything beyond near-future tech.
As for the ammunition, explosive warheads will only get you so far. As composite armor was specifically designed to protect against HEAT warheads, modern tanks can take virtually any warhead you could produce head-on, unless it struck at a decent angle (which brings us back to indirect fire). For the record, while the frontal protection of an M1A2 is only 800mm against ballistic rounds, it's a much more respectable 1300mm against HEAT, which is well beyond any such weapon I know of. HE will generally be even less effective than HEAT, as most of the energy will end up being directed away from the tank. In short, just packing more explosives isn't a viable answer. In addition, a high-velocity gun is completely unnecessary if you're using HEAT, as the speed at which the round strikes the target is completely irrelevant. HV is only needed for heavy armor piercing rounds like Sabots.

50mph is probably a bit too fast. With a gun that big and heavy armor, it's not going to outrun MBTs. You can claim it's much slower (say, 35mph) or very lightly armored, but not that its big, heavily armed, well armored, and faster than any tank short of an Abrams.
Also, please don't try to tell me that your gun can provide accurate direct fire at 7 km. Indirect yes, but not direct. There is simply no round that can claim anywhere near that performance, and you don't seem to be claiming anything beyond near-future tech.
As for the ammunition, explosive warheads will only get you so far. As composite armor was specifically designed to protect against HEAT warheads, modern tanks can take virtually any warhead you could produce head-on, unless it struck at a decent angle (which brings us back to indirect fire). For the record, while the frontal protection of an M1A2 is only 800mm against ballistic rounds, it's a much more respectable 1300mm against HEAT, which is well beyond any such weapon I know of. HE will generally be even less effective than HEAT, as most of the energy will end up being directed away from the tank. In short, just packing more explosives isn't a viable answer. In addition, a high-velocity gun is completely unnecessary if you're using HEAT, as the speed at which the round strikes the target is completely irrelevant. HV is only needed for heavy armor piercing rounds like Sabots.
The Fact remains that it uses composites. These are consideribly lighter then steel.

The guns information is classified. Unless you would like to buy one, stop asking questions or it will be considered spying.

actually abrams is fast, armored, etc.

BTW- the recoil would be pretty bad unless it weighs about 80 tons.
As I said. Composites. Lighter and stronger then steel. But yeah. Its heavy.

Also, on speed, advanced diesils are that powerful, and are what is used.
(I know I had just said Gas Turbine, but i changed it before and forgot to look)

I believe you on speed, abrams can go 65 MPH with the engine protector taken off.

actually abrams is fast, armored, etc.
Yes, but the abrams is a gas guzzler. Besides, the Leopard 2 is faster.

And the Leopard 2 has more armor.

*Bump*
Now with declassified stats.

I would like to purchase another 2000 of these tanks, Money will be auto-wired

300 of these tanks, please.

Money wired on confirmation.

bump for confirmation...

*bumps again...*

*third confirmation bump... :? *

Five tanks, please

Total cost: 13 million

Money to be wired automatically upon confirmation

Florence Road wishes to purchase 80 Ocelot Tank Destroyers. Funds have been transmitted to you.

We have no current tank destroyer, so 1,000 are needed

*fourth confirmation bump :shock: *

Money wired

This thing looks like the peoples favourite....

No no no, I'm waiting for HIM to confirm it.

I ordered like 3 days ago and haven't heard anything yet.

oh

oh well, *pretend* he did.....

Sorry, all have been sent and arrived, um, the exact moment they were ordered.

7 miles...no way

7 miles...no way
Yes, way. Its really amazeing. We would do more testing, but that was our only M1.

All will be revealed shortly, as the Updated Ocelot T.Mk.2 will be released.

You're probably losing a few million bucks on each sale. 155mm should be able to reach max ranges of up to 9km. MAX RANGES, NOT EFFECTIVE RANGES.

Whatever, you're rarely going to engage targets at that distance anyway.

Whatever, you're rarely going to engage targets at that distance anyway.
True, but its nice to be able to.

Hole Where Evil Lives, you will remove your statement and apollogize for attempting to hijack my thread, or i will bomb the fuck out of you.

I've noticed that all main guns used here in nationstates will punch through anything a tank can put up. Thats my my next line of battle vehicles will be small as hell, pack a large punch, and be extrememly fast and transportable.

What? I believe this is an open forum. I do this out of courtisy. I'll apologise for nothing and you won't bomb the f--- out of me. Have a little class

What? I believe this is an open forum. I do this out of courtisy. I'll apologise for nothing and you won't bomb the f--- out of me. Have a little class
Fuck class. Dont hijack my thread.

You make a good point (that's sarcasm for: no not really).