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"It is clear that you intend to defy me your god and new master I have destroyed your moon and you show no fear this is either extreme stupidity on your behalf or foolhardy defiance our fleet has now entered your solar system and is moblised near the planet you call Pluto come face me if you dare try to stop me all in all Earths fate is sealed oh and if you have any colonies out this far i suggest you evacuate them for i intend to burn a swathe all the way to Earth I will revel in your destruction all of you down to every last woman man and child of your stinking planet"


Emperor Xander Falken
Empire of Neo Zaibock

kok breath! :x

*is confused :?: *

"It is clear that you intend to defy me your god and new master I have destroyed your moon and you show no fear this is either extreme stupidity on your behalf or foolhardy defiance our fleet has now entered your solar system and is moblised near the planet you call Pluto come face me if you dare try to stop me all in all Earths fate is sealed oh and if you have any colonies out this far i suggest you evacuate them for i intend to burn a swathe all the way to Earth I will revel in your destruction all of you down to every last woman man and child of your stinking planet"


Emperor Xander Falken
Empire of Neo Zaibock

n00b

The PRK wishes the world to know that we have used our Angel Arms Dimensional Subversion Ignore Cannon to shove Zaibock's armada into its own personal limbo-like subdimension. Nobody need worry about this psycho.

Of course, his ships were made of cardboard boxes, anyway, so it's not like he ever posed anything resembling a threat. Except perhaps hawking orbital loogies.

The PRK wishes the world to know that we have used our Angel Arms Dimensional Subversion Ignore Cannon to shove Zaibock's armada into its own personal limbo-like subdimension. Nobody need worry about this psycho.

Of course, his ships were made of cardboard boxes, anyway, so it's not like he ever posed anything resembling a threat. Except perhaps hawking orbital loogies.

*Throws a parade with waving kitsylavnia flags everywhere.*

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*looks up, sees Moon, wipes forehead*

It always suprises me that people can actually write WITHOUT any use at all of punctuation.

According to sources, the moon dodged his attack on it, its quite agile for a planetoid.

"Sir! There's a weird transmission on the radio!"

"Oh?"

"It's blocking Jazz FM!"

King Siroc stood up suddenly.

"Damn them to Hell!!!"

8)

Well, as soon as you tell us just how the NS Earth (which is about a million times the size of Jupiter) will be destroyed, I'll begin to consider your demands. As for the moon... when I last checked they still had some quite healthy nations living there. I believe you're calling our bluff sir. :wink:

*Empress Eris, the Goddess of Chaos snickers at the brodcast and glances out her window just as cosmic alien mice from the far off planet of Cheddertopia give the people of earth a new moon made out of blue cheeze. She quickly sends them a message of thanks and orders that no mice in her nation be killed for the next year*
:D
~Empress Eris~
Goddess of Chaos
Empire of Eris Kallisti
http://www.cybersluagh.com/ErisKallisti/eris5.jpg

when i checked the moon is till there your a n00b

"Don't you just love this show?"

"Yeah man, it's frikkin' hilarious"

Black Raven says: "... :?: "

OOC Okay people... deep breaths. Can we stop the posting-to-ignore thing before the thread gets hijacked to cuba?
If you don't want to play, don't post. I'll let you in for a secret... if someone says they blew up the Earth in a thread, your nation wont cease to exist. Let others interact with it if they feel like... I haven't seen him before, but he might be good at RP.

On the flipside however...

IC
<Reply transmission from the Office Diplomus, CityState of Ruthvere, Free Land of Tarrican, Devils Desert, Earth.>

"Uh-huh... sure ya will bub. Look... blowing up one of pluto's moons is pretty impressive, but there are half a dozen nations in our imediate viscinity who could do the same... and they probably have less stable governments than you do."

"If you really feel like invading the Earth... bring it on... just say 'Hi!' from us to the Tor Yvesse craftworld and Angelus WorldDisc wherever they are, the Triumvirate of Yut near Jupiter, the various nations on the various Mars areas and the Moon colonies: plus the region of Arda. If you get past all of them, call me back okay?"

<Jim Higgs, deep-space transmission desk (night shift), Tarrican Diplomatic Corps.>

"Uh-huh... sure ya will bub. Look... blowing up one of pluto's moons is pretty impressive,

Pluto has, and only ever has had one moon: Charon.

that we know of

Pluto-Charon is more of a double planet system, really.

that we know of

No, it is a scientific fact. Pluto is simply too small to have more than one moon max, and even if it did, the Voyager missions would have spotted it on a flyby - again because it is so small.

not necessarily, the voyager probe isn't really capable of that kind of scanning, if it was scientists today wouldn't be confused over whether or not pluto actually is a part of our solar system

not necessarily, the voyager probe isn't really capable of that kind of scanning, if it was scientists today wouldn't be confused over whether or not pluto actually is a part of our solar system

It is without doubt part of our solar system. If it is affected by our stars gravity (which it is, since it orbits), it is part of the solar system.

then why do certain astronomers argue that it isn't? respected astronomers i remind you

Pluto-Charon is more of a double planet system, really.

OOC Point. I forgot that about Pluto-Charon... I was just looking for a demonstration of power that he could have performed without auto-ignoring himself against any nations with moon colonies/interests/allies.

Hmm... looks down. Is that Jamaica?

then why do certain astronomers argue that it isn't? respected astronomers i remind you

I believe you are being confused by the idea that Pluto was at one time not part of the solar system. Now, it is. For definate; there is no arguing any other point. It is an irrefutable fact.

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if it drifted here then, why isn't it still drifting?(sorry but i love a good discussion)

if it drifted here then, why isn't it still drifting?(sorry but i love a good discussion)

It has been captured by our stars gravity, and now orbits in a highly irregular elipse.

the graavity at that distance is too weak to hold an entire planetary mass

the graavity at that distance is too weak to hold an entire planetary mass

You underestimate the power of gravity. The Oort cloud, some 3 lightyears from the Sun, is held in place by its gravity.

the graavity at that distance is too weak to hold an entire planetary mass

You underestimate the power of gravity. The Oort cloud, some 3 lightyears from the Sun, is held in place by its gravity.

The Oort cloud is NOT 3 light years from the sun. That's 3 quarters of the way to Alpha freakin' Centauri.

Actually it is. It extends to a maximum reach of 3 lightyears.

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/oort.htm

Please, read up before disputing me.

Actually it is. It extends to a maximum reach of 3 lightyears.

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/oort.htm

Please, read up before disputing me.

Jesus. o.o That's messed up. *revises his estimate of interstellar space faaaaar upward*

Although I do have to admit that is a large measurement. I believe the 'normal' distace is 100,000AU, about 1.5ly.

ooc: the graavity at that distance is too weak to hold an entire planetary mass
you also have to keep in mind that Pluto's mass is only 2/1000 of the mass Earth has
(Neptune is only 10 AU nearer to the sun than pluto and has a mass of 17 earths)

*Empress Eris, the Goddess of Chaos snickers at the brodcast and glances out her window just as cosmic alien mice from the far off planet of Cheddertopia give the people of earth a new moon made out of blue cheeze. She quickly sends them a message of thanks and orders that no mice in her nation be killed for the next year*
:D
~Empress Eris~
Goddess of Chaos
Empire of Eris Kallisti
http://www.cybersluagh.com/ErisKallisti/eris5.jpg


Hey where that Ignore Cannon?

THREE LIGHT YEARS! A sun the size of sol can't affect a space body
even one light year away! Maybe you don't fully realize the distance
we are talking about.

((OOC: LOL so sue me for being the comic relief, geeze :wink: ))

"It is clear that you intend to defy me your god and new master I have destroyed your moon and you show no fear this is either extreme stupidity on your behalf or foolhardy defiance our fleet has now entered your solar system and is moblised near the planet you call Pluto come face me if you dare try to stop me all in all Earths fate is sealed oh and if you have any colonies out this far i suggest you evacuate them for i intend to burn a swathe all the way to Earth I will revel in your destruction all of you down to every last woman man and child of your stinking planet"


Emperor Xander Falken
Empire of Neo Zaibock "This colossal flop once again proves that despite the international networks' perplexing ability to hype up their programming, the content remains derivative and sub-par. For a dramatically superior version, anything will do but if one wants to be actually entertained Orson Wells' 1938 version is highly recommended."
---Roberto Gonzalez, noted Free Outer Eugenian radio critic

THREE LIGHT YEARS! A sun the size of sol can't affect a space body
even one light year away! Maybe you don't fully realize the distance
we are talking about.

3 light years = 2.83815852 × 10^16 meters
3 light years = 3.1038479 × 10^16 yards

I know the distance being discussed. I am not a fool.

By Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation:

http://www.wikipedia.org/math/b1365723a6484cc3ca9d0ce071b22f62.png

* F = gravitational force between two objects
* m1 = mass of first object (Sol)
* m2 = mass of second object (Oort Cloud)
* r = distance between the objects
* G = universal constant of gravitation

Therefore:

F = ?
m1 = 1.98892 × 10^30 kg
m2 = 2.38968 × 10^26 kg (Rough estimate; Doesn't account for gas, only comets etc.)
r = 2.83815852 × 10^16 m
G = 6.67259 × 10^-11 m^3 s^-2 kg^-1

Therefore:

Gravitational Force between the Oort Cloud and Sol =

(6.67259 × 10^-11) * (1.98892 × 10^30) * (2.38968 × 10^26) = 3.1714 x 10^46

All over (2.83815852 × 10^16)^2 = 1.117415 x 10^30 N

Meaning 1,117,415,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Newtons of Gravitational force are shared between the Oort Cloud and Sol.

It's a big number, no?

Please, remember that not only does the Sun's gravity affect the Oort cloud, but the Oort Cloud's gravity affects the Sun.

not necessarily, the voyager probe isn't really capable of that kind of scanning, if it was scientists today wouldn't be confused over whether or not pluto actually is a part of our solar system

It is without doubt part of our solar system. If it is affected by our stars gravity (which it is, since it orbits), it is part of the solar system.actually the current point of doubt regards its status as a planet.

"It is clear that you intend to defy me your god and new master I have destroyed your moon and you show no fear this is either extreme stupidity on your behalf or foolhardy defiance our fleet has now entered your solar system and is moblised near the planet you call Pluto come face me if you dare try to stop me all in all Earths fate is sealed oh and if you have any colonies out this far i suggest you evacuate them for i intend to burn a swathe all the way to Earth I will revel in your destruction all of you down to every last woman man and child of your stinking planet"


Emperor Xander Falken
Empire of Neo Zaibock

Hey dude, you're a loser. Shut up and know you're place.

The colony ships had no chance of escape they were blasted apart by the point cannons of the ISIS battlecrusier Emperor Falken had watched this all pertched on the bow of the crusier in his space suit he sniggered to himself

then said.........................

"So they still refuse to take me seriously they really are all foolish they bitch bicker and moan amongst themselves yet the truth of the matter is they dont see an apocolypse when it reaches up to bite them on the ass"

"Your majesty we have detected no communications from the surface of Titania the colony on the surface is dead!" said Captain Jameston

"Very well moveon to the next colony signal the fleet to jump!" said Falken

"Vey well your majesty" replied Jameston

To think all this time I thought on AU was a light year. So how far is an AU in km or mi I can work out eather one.

This show is so much intersting then the one that was on earler. That we are coming to destroy you all is so done to death. How ever it dose remind me of the war of the worlds program.

The colony ships had no chance of escape they were blasted apart by the point cannons of the ISIS battlecrusier Emperor Falken had watched this all pertched on the bow of the crusier in his space suit he sniggered to himself

You again?! Go home Zaibock, were discussing the gravitational ability of our sun now.

I'm a little confused about the part sol plays in the position of Oort. What is the distance of Oort in relation to Alpha Centuri? Also, ACs existance affect Oort, if it was closer woudnt the sun pull against AC and lose because of the distance and resistance?

To think all this time I thought on AU was a light year. So how far is an AU in km or mi I can work out eather one.

This show is so much intersting then the one that was on earler. That we are coming to destroy you all is so done to death. How ever it dose remind me of the war of the worlds program.


I have the answer for the question you asked, a quick rip from a site found through google.

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The Astronomical Unit
The Distance from Earth to Sun

The astronomical unit, the AU, is a unit of distance equal approximately to the average distance between the earth and sun. More precisely stated, one astronomical unit is approximately the value of the semimajor axis of the orbit of the earth. (For the purists, the AU is actually a tiny bit less than the semimajor axis.) This represents a distance of about 93 million miles or 150 million kilometers.
Expressing a distance in AU then represents a comparison with the earth's distance from the sun. Jupiter at 5.2 AU from the sun is 5.2 times further from the sun than the earth. Pluto at 39.5 AU is almost 40 times farther from the sun than the earth is.

One ly represents a distance of 63,240 AU.

Thank you. most informitive.

Corectme if I am wrong but gosent gravity have infinite range or at the very least might as well be infinite.

According to the rule gravity is infinite but at massive ranges it would become so weak it could do nothing to anything.

I have a question which I really want to ask. Is there a speed of gravity? If you have a planetary body which can move itsself is there any way we would know if it could IMMEDIATLY effect other bodies in space or if it would take time for the force to reach them?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

This should be addressed by someone more versed in physics than me, but I thought gravity was a field, so it is either present or absent. It doesn't travel. It is constant around any object that generates it. This field has a gradient (square of distance) but it is distance, not speed.

In a way, gravity speed is the relative speed of bodies that have it. For itself it has none.

I belive the speed of gravity is dependit on the force of gravity that said object is generating and how close you are to it. AS for moving the object if it was a sudden movement like when you tak one end of a garden hose and make a wiping movement it would affect thigs nearby with a simalre sharp movement but would lessen with distance. But that's just pure speculation.

well thats intersting two differing oppinions right off the bat.

In the presence of a gravity field, speed is a factored by distance. The function is acceleration, not speed, as speed increases the closer you get to the source of the gravity. Earth has a 9,8 m/square second acceleration (one gee), but it is theoretically at sea level. It is lower the higher you go, and greater the other way around.

If for "gravity speed" you mean "the time it takes to affect you" it is instantaneous. Even light must bend to gravity. Hence the black holes.

But coudnt that leave open the window that the force gravity is capable of traveling faster than light? And the gravity is already there, the light is caught by its force and cannot escape. I do find that odd as light has no physical component.

I still think its an oddity that gravity is infinite and instantainous, it doesnt seem right by comparison to other aspect forces in the universe.

(I wish I studied physics more, theres too much I dont know.)

OOC(IF YOU MUST HIJACK MY THREAD DONT DO IT WITH THIS BULLSHIT!)

This is more interesting than the drivel you posted, Zaibock.

Nobody is going to acknowledge the idiocy you're trying to roleplay.

OOC(move it all off and create another thread you godammed geeks)

:evil: (Its ppl like u that piss me off u hijack somebodies thread then try to fill it with drivel that makes you all look hyper smart what a load of BS really ppl grow up and play da game!) :evil:

:evil: (Its ppl like u that piss me off u hijack somebodies thread then try to fill it with drivel that makes you all look hyper smart what a load of BS really ppl grow up and play da game!) :evil:

This coming from the idiot that wants us to acknowledge someone able to blow up planets?

Not to mention the question of how such a small power with only an average economy and small population came to own a space fleet. OR how they came to own a weapon capible of blowing up planets.

OOC(Ok im a powerbroker and Belem somehow managed to expel my nation from Earth ok ive been in seculsion for a long time my economy is a real strong one why cant I have built a cannon that ends all your bigshot BS you spill by destroying Earth and who said that when Zaibocks fleet reaches Earth I was gonna destroy it huh? If Belem goes nice and quiet like then it wont come to that doomsday that is)

OOC(Ok im a powerbroker and Belem somehow managed to expel my nation from Earth ok ive been in seculsion for a long time my economy is a real strong one why cant I have built a cannon that ends all your bigshot BS you spill by destroying Earth and who said that when Zaibocks fleet reaches Earth I was gonna destroy it huh? If Belem goes nice and quiet like then it wont come to that doomsday that is)

What does having more than 250 posts have to do with anything?

The reason you haven't built a cannon, is because you need to establish fiction for powerful weapons, not just pull them out of your ass when you want them.

:evil: (Its ppl like u that piss me off u hijack somebodies thread then try to fill it with drivel that makes you all look hyper smart what a load of BS really ppl grow up and play da game!) :evil:


I dont think I've heard such a contradicting, hypocrytical statement all year. I admit it was wrong :roll: to hyjack your thread, but considering the content of it I thought it exempt from the rule.

OOC(PLUS vithnaar you dont own my nation you dont manage its affairs plus blackguard shut it just because your feeling enadiquate because you dont own the biggest guns on the block)

OOC(i HAVE ONE WORD geek!)

OOC(PLUS vithnaar you dont own my nation you dont manage its affairs plus blackguard shut it just because your feeling enadiquate because you dont own the biggest guns on the block)

I manage my own nation. I get to choose whether to acknowledge your weapon or just assume it's a giant water pistol.

Ever heard of photons? they are physical particles, err, somewhat.

As I said, gravity is a field around an object. It either is there or it is not. It doesn't travel by itself.

Yes, theoretically gravity has an infinite pull, but the function of square distance makes that effect negligible beyond certain point, and almost non-existant even farther. It never reaches zero, but for most purposes, it eventually disappears or is drowned by closer gravity-generating objects.

OOC(i HAVE ONE WORD geek!)

You cut me with your harsh words Ziabock

Shhh.

I am trying to make this thread useful for someone.

I n00kz0r j00, u d34d, gg hf

I n00kz0r j00, u d34d, gg hf

TRANSLATOR! FAST! I'M LOSING HIM!

Ever heard of photons? they are physical particles, err, somewhat.

As I said, gravity is a field around an object. It either is there or it is not. It doesn't travel by itself.

Yes, theoretically gravity has an infinite pull, but the function of square distance makes that effect negligible beyond certain point, and almost non-existant even farther. It never reaches zero, but for most purposes, it eventually disappears or is drowned by closer gravity-generating objects.

I thought Photons were imiginary entities which were created to better explain the attributes of energy.

I cant argue with your statement, as I agree with too much of it. It looks as if I'm going to have to study the nature of gravity quite alot before I try to discuss it :).

(OOC And your knowledge of Astronomy makes me laugh all da way to the bank now will you kindly get the fuck off my thread)

Oh terably sorry Zaibock, go on with your destroying of the NS earth of somthing one nation did to you, be sure you stop by Arorra on your way in system will make sure to leave the defences on.

OOC(All of you! :evil: )

(OOC) Oops

OOC(Its Terribly you reprobate)

Shut yer bum Zaibock

OOC(Ok im a powerbroker and Belem somehow managed to expel my nation from Earth ok ive been in seculsion for a long time my economy is a real strong one why cant I have built a cannon that ends all your bigshot BS you spill by destroying Earth and who said that when Zaibocks fleet reaches Earth I was gonna destroy it huh? If Belem goes nice and quiet like then it wont come to that doomsday that is)

Zaibock, you have a population of a whopping 198 millions and your economy is "Reasonable" and you are saying that you have a massive fleet and a BF planet blaster gun. I believe that you should retreat and wait while to build up your population and your economy. By the way, you could have RP:d the build up.

Your truly Derto

According to the rule gravity is infinite but at massive ranges it would become so weak it could do nothing to anything.

I have a question which I really want to ask. Is there a speed of gravity? If you have a planetary body which can move itsself is there any way we would know if it could IMMEDIATLY effect other bodies in space or if it would take time for the force to reach them?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Ther's a great deal of dispute about the "speed of gravity". A British physicist claimed that he had determined that gravity was instantaneous, but no other physicists could validate his claim. Gravity is believed to be limited to lightspeed (C) like everything else.

I believe that Hawking's current take on gravitation is that gravity effects travel at C. Gravity is described as a distortion of spacetime, so it is theoretically not limited to C, but no one has been able to objectively quantify the effexct.

Hyperlight tech is technically impossible in Real life the only way we could reach planets is to use generational star ships for extra solar trips that is

I don't believe it. I see the speed of light (c) as a boundery, you can travel slower than c and faster than c. BUT an object traveling slower than c cannot cross the speedlimit c and thus cannot travel faster than c.

From the desk of the dictator of Soviet Canukastan...

"My people... a great tragedy has happened here, the destruction of our moon, the loss of our moon means the destruction of our ecosystems, waves from the ocean will happen less frequent, there will be flooding in some areas and dryness in others, animals that relied on the moon for travel will be lost and confused... it is time to take revenge, you took our moon from us... we shall take your lives. All nations of earth stand together and unite, in unity we find strength to defeat this alien menace."


Camera shots of SC's many missile silos opening up their missile doors, large trucks with missiles aimed at the sky, aircraft being scrambled out of air fields, millions of SC soldiers both standing army and partisan guard mobilizing, high command going into underground bunkers and into large command aircrafts.

Those will be some long range misseiles if they can reach the edge of the Sol system.

Those will be some long range misseiles if they can reach the edge of the Sol system.

:D yup, so if anyone here has a space fleet that can aid my missiles then please speak up.

>_< I walked right in to that one.

According to the rule gravity is infinite but at massive ranges it would become so weak it could do nothing to anything.

I have a question which I really want to ask. Is there a speed of gravity? If you have a planetary body which can move itsself is there any way we would know if it could IMMEDIATLY effect other bodies in space or if it would take time for the force to reach them?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Well, this is a highly disputed topic. According to Einstein, the speed of gravity is c, and is a universal constant.

But, think about this:

Imagine the sun were to suddenly dissapear. Earth is 8 minutes away from it at light speed, but would Earth take 8 minutes to fly off at a tangent to its orbit? No. It would instantly fly off, therefore many claim gravity is instantaneous.

I believe there are also people who claim it is both - but I don't have a clue about that one.

But, think about this:

Imagine the sun were to suddenly dissapear. Earth is 8 minutes away from it at light speed, but would Earth take 8 minutes to fly off at a tangent to its orbit? No. It would instantly fly off, therefore many claim gravity is instantaneous.


But how can we be sure that if an object is removed that a field generated by it instantly colapses? I find it too hard to belive that anything happens in a single moment. As I see it, everytihng will take time before effects are noticed, no matter how quickly it occurs.

But, think about this:

Imagine the sun were to suddenly dissapear. Earth is 8 minutes away from it at light speed, but would Earth take 8 minutes to fly off at a tangent to its orbit? No. It would instantly fly off, therefore many claim gravity is instantaneous.


But how can we be sure that if an object is removed that a field generated by it instantly colapses? I find it too hard to belive that anything happens in a single moment. As I see it, everytihng will take time before effects are noticed, no matter how quickly it occurs.

I believe that this is the current consensus among most physicists (Hawking among them). This is based on the theory that gravity is merely a distortion of spacetime. Imagine that the sun is a 1,000 kilogram ball. Spacetime is a thin sheet of rubber pulled away from center on all sides until it is under a great deal of tension. Drop the sun/ball into the center of the rubber sheet. The sheet will deform under the pressure, becoming a huge dip in the otherwise flat surface of the rubber sheet.

Now, take some (much smaller and lighter) balls and position them at the relative distances from the sun/ball that the planets are. Each planet will form a smaller dip in the rubber sheet, with Jupiter making a very large (albeit far smaller than the sun's) dip.

These dips in the rubber sheet are the effects of gravity. In real life, the planets/balls would roll down into the sun/ball. The reason the planets do not do this is the fact that they are moving quickly at right angles from the pull toward the sun.

Modern physics postulates that- if the sun were sudenly removed from the center of the rubber sheet- the effects on the other balls would take a small (but measurable) amount of time to take place.

But the moon is still there, if in much smaller form, unless he used some sort of antimater or phase cannon. The debris would compensate SOMEWHAT for the loss of the whole.

In any case, the GLA is maintaining a gravity field in moon orbit, until such time as a replacement moon can be found (I have always liked Phobos, anybody think Mars has too many moons?)

We could just collect enouth dust and such and press it in to the shape of a new moon,any one rember what the old one was made of? I have a question tho what moon was destroyed. If it was the NS earths and he destroyed it from the edge of Sol why dose he say he has to come all the way to earth to take it out?