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Special Forces War Games...all spots filled

08-09-2003, 03:16
Tallcottia has just recently added a special forces contingent to our military capability and is interested in hosting a small-scale special forces war game.

Our islands are well-suited for small-unit tactics and we plan to simulate a diverse group of scenarios. Such scenarios include:

Interdiction and boarding of transport vessels
Infiltration and sabotage of military installations
Recon patrols/general area sweeps
Assault on mock terrorist camp
Hostage situation in urban or "sensitive" area

We will also hold classroom discussions and debates of tactics before each event. Teams will rotate through each event one at a time and all will be able to observe the team currently in action via video. Performance will be critiqued after each team's action.

This will be strictly modern-tech only (no dropships, no powered armor, no plasma cannons, etc.) and all nations are welcome to attend, though preference will be given to small nations for the sake of training.

Teams entered:

Sniper Country
Freedom Country
ANSWA
Canada-Germany

Awaiting confirmation:
Jarvisimo_99
08-09-2003, 03:20
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08-09-2003, 03:23
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Canada-Germany
08-09-2003, 03:27
1-C-GAR, 1-Squad

Lt. Hong Gui Tan: Commanding Officer, (Specialization classified.)
Chief Warrant Officer Zim Pipermen: Star Commander*, Heavy Weapons/Demo
Chief Warrant Officer Lou Pipermen: Star Commander, Small Arms/Cook
Sergeant Liu Wang: Black Ops Specialist
Sergeant Zhou Chen: Black Ops Specialist
Sergeant Avery Brook: Engineer/Small Arms
Sergeant Derek Beaucanon: Sniper/Small arms/Heavy Weapons
Sergeant Betty Bopp: Demo/cook
Sergeant Xiao-Chaung Mao: Forward Observer/Pathfinder/Sniper
Sergeant Amber Saundry: Medic/Unarmed Combat/Small arms
Sergeant Andrew Tang: Medic/Unarmed Combat/Melee Combat
Master Corporal Simon Fraser: Communications/Small Arms

*A star is a group of 5 people.

All snipers have been trained in Canadian Sniper School (Canada currently has the best Real life sniper's in the world).
08-09-2003, 03:34
Tallcottia accepts Alpha Platoon / 22nd.

OOC: When our boys heard this there was a mixed reaction of excitement and groaning...

IC: For the record, here are the specifics:

All "players" are required to use MILES gear during the excercises...it doesn't add much weight to the soldier's gear. This of course will determine "who killed who."

The only vehicles allowed are 2 utility choppers (Blackhawk or comperable) per team - one in the field and one as a backup.

A battalion of Tallcottian Marines will act as both OPFOR and friendly troops. They will be given crash-courses in "how to act like terrorists" and equipped accordingly.

All meals and accomodations are free.

At the end of the tournament there will be some sort of team-vs-team event, the nature of which is yet to be determined.
08-09-2003, 03:35
1-C-GAR, 1-Squad

Lt. Hong Gui Tan: Commanding Officer, (Specialization classified.)
Chief Warrant Officer Zim Pipermen: Star Commander*, Heavy Weapons/Demo
Chief Warrant Officer Lou Pipermen: Star Commander, Small Arms/Cook
Sergeant Liu Wang: Black Ops Specialist
Sergeant Zhou Chen: Black Ops Specialist
Sergeant Avery Brook: Engineer/Small Arms
Sergeant Derek Beaucanon: Sniper/Small arms/Heavy Weapons
Sergeant Betty Bopp: Demo/cook
Sergeant Xiao-Chaung Mao: Forward Observer/Pathfinder/Sniper
Sergeant Amber Saundry: Medic/Unarmed Combat/Small arms
Sergeant Andrew Tang: Medic/Unarmed Combat/Melee Combat
Master Corporal Simon Fraser: Communications/Small Arms

*A star is a group of 5 people.

All snipers have been trained in Canadian Sniper School (Canada currently has the best sniper's in the world).

OOC: I assume "star commander" is comperable to squad- or fire-team leader?
Canada-Germany
08-09-2003, 03:54
OOC: basicly, they are fire-team leaders, but Command wanted the Chief Warrent Officers to feel special so they named'em "Star Commanders" lol.
08-09-2003, 04:02
OOC: got it.

IC: Team accepted - three more spots open.

Here's our team:

MSgt Mike Carter - team leader
S1C Mark Roberts - "2IC", assault
SSgt Nick McCarthy - assault
SSgt Brian Kennedy - machine gunner
Sgt Joseph Langston - demo/antitank
Sgt Tom Harper - CQB/recon
Sgt Dave Miller - CQB/recon
Sgt Eric Medieros - sniper
Sgt Paul Reilly - assault
Sgt Steve Grissom - spotter/assault
08-09-2003, 05:05
*bump - it'll be fun :( *
08-09-2003, 05:57
The Commonwealth of ANSWA would love the chance to participate in your SF wargames. We have juggled some assignments and put together a team consisting of:

Dr. David C. Allen, Special Opperations-ANSWA Intelligence Agency - Team Leader, Language Specialist

Sgt. Richard Holding, ANSWA Air Force - Combat Controller/Combat SAR/Medic

Sgt. Roman S. Callihan, ANSWA Army- Weapons Specialist/CQB

Simon Harlsh, "The Coltrane Agency"(Black Ops)

David G. Berner, "The Sanders Corporation"(Black Ops)

Sgt. Ryan O'Rorke, ANSWA Army- Demolitions/Heavy Weapons/EOD

Maj. Gordon Spekear, ANSWA Army- Civil Affairs/intelligence/indigenous peoples specialist. (2nd in comand)

Sgt. Greg Mathers, ANSWA Army- Nonconventional Warfare/Advanced Projects/Small Arms

Ssg. Diago Mantozo, ANSWA Army- Gurella Warfare Specialist/Counter Terrorism/EOD

Cpt. Stanly Morales, ANSWA Airforce- Communications/Medic/Recon

Cap. Hershal B. Santon, ANSWA Army- Forward Recon/ CQB/ Small Arms

Maj. Guy Pearson, ANSWA Army- PSYOPS/Intelligence/CQB

Msgt. Glendale Volkus, Special Reactionary Force- Sniper/spotter

Msgt. Frank Petrolis, Special Reactionary Force- Sniper/spotter

Dunn Forker, The Glendale Corporation- Covert Ops/Long Range weapons/long rang intelligence

Sam Warren, The Glendale Corporation- SIGINT/Cryptology/ Covert Ops

Greg Haskens, ANSWA Defense Command- Observer

We would like to know the folowing: Besides the helicopters, what other vehicles are allowed? Zodiac Rafts, ATVs, Dirt Bikes and the like, not to mention jeeps and humvees?

Best regards,

Dr. Humphry Smeigleson
Foregin Minister
Commonwealth of ANSWA
Western Asia
08-09-2003, 06:33
Western Asia is interested in participating in this competition (releaseable names and info upcomming).
Western Asia
08-09-2003, 06:56
OOC: As a note for realism, SOF teams are usually specialized to do only some of those tasks at a time (mainly, that land-units are not usually set to take out naval targets and naval-capable units (Marine Corps MSPF) tend to have limited ashore operational roles). The SEALs are an exception but even then they are mostly trained for recon and limited strikes, not urban or hostage-rescue missions (also, the personnel are few and expensive to train).

The only groups that I know of that are capable of such actions are the Marine Corps' MSPFs, (Info (http://www.specialoperations.com/USMC/MSPF/Default.htm)), which are actually a collection of a number of specialized groups, and SOCOM/JSOC's Special Mission Units (ie, Task Force 20 employed in Iraq), which employs elements of SOF-D ("Delta Force"), SEAL team 6 ("DEVGRU"), and the air force’s Special Tactics Squadron 1. The army’s 75th Ranger Regiment and the 160th Special Operations Regiment can also be sent along for missions (as with Task Force 20)...and neither of those forces is small (nor do they each employ all teams (or split teams) at any minor task).

In light of this, I will employ a ground-based unit that can do most of the missions and they can either sit out the ship-based portion or another team could do that task. The team is naval-deployable but not trained extensively for shipboard operations.
08-09-2003, 14:27
OOC: My teams will be modeled after the SEALs, and as I understand it they can perform any of the tasks I listed easily.

They do perform CSAR operations, which includes rescuing captured personnel, so a hostage rescue wouldn't be much different if the hostage-takers were terrorists rather then foreign military personnel. There were also a few SEALs present in Mogadishu, for what that's worth.

That's the reason why I like the SEALs the most - they do it all.
Anhierarch
08-09-2003, 14:42
Tag. This should make for good reading.
08-09-2003, 15:27
The Commonwealth of ANSWA would love the chance to participate in your SF wargames. We have juggled some assignments and put together a team consisting of:

Dr. David C. Allen, Special Opperations-ANSWA Intelligence Agency - Team Leader, Language Specialist

Sgt. Richard Holding, ANSWA Air Force - Combat Controller/Combat SAR/Medic

Sgt. Roman S. Callihan, ANSWA Army- Weapons Specialist/CQB

Simon Harlsh, "The Coltrane Agency"(Black Ops)

David G. Berner, "The Sanders Corporation"(Black Ops)

Sgt. Ryan O'Rorke, ANSWA Army- Demolitions/Heavy Weapons/EOD

Maj. Gordon Spekear, ANSWA Army- Civil Affairs/intelligence/indigenous peoples specialist. (2nd in comand)

Sgt. Greg Mathers, ANSWA Army- Nonconventional Warfare/Advanced Projects/Small Arms

Ssg. Diago Mantozo, ANSWA Army- Gurella Warfare Specialist/Counter Terrorism/EOD

Cpt. Stanly Morales, ANSWA Airforce- Communications/Medic/Recon

Cap. Hershal B. Santon, ANSWA Army- Forward Recon/ CQB/ Small Arms

Maj. Guy Pearson, ANSWA Army- PSYOPS/Intelligence/CQB

Msgt. Glendale Volkus, Special Reactionary Force- Sniper/spotter

Msgt. Frank Petrolis, Special Reactionary Force- Sniper/spotter

Dunn Forker, The Glendale Corporation- Covert Ops/Long Range weapons/long rang intelligence

Sam Warren, The Glendale Corporation- SIGINT/Cryptology/ Covert Ops

Greg Haskens, ANSWA Defense Command- Observer

We would like to know the folowing: Besides the helicopters, what other vehicles are allowed? Zodiac Rafts, ATVs, Dirt Bikes and the like, not to mention jeeps and humvees?

Best regards,

Dr. Humphry Smeigleson
Foregin Minister
Commonwealth of ANSWA

Team accepted, though we don't know if your more technical (Sigint, linguistics) team members will get much action in. We'll have to see once they get here. And as for your Zodiacs, sure, bring them if you wish. Jeeps and Humvees will be provided by our Marines.

You can start flying your boys into Malden Airport whenever you're ready.
08-09-2003, 15:28
Western Asia, could you provide some more detail on your team? We'll count you in but we'd like a roster, if possible.
08-09-2003, 16:11
I could join.

We have two 6 man teams of elite troops, the best of the best.

These guys are super trained.

Also, about 50 Spec Ops guys could be sent.
08-09-2003, 16:20
I could join.

We have two 6 man teams of elite troops, the best of the best.

These guys are super trained.

Also, about 50 Spec Ops guys could be sent.

We're accepting one team from each country, try to keep it under 15.

Please provide a roster when you make your selection.
08-09-2003, 16:24
Dear Sir,
As you may or may not know The Free land of jarvisimo_99 has a special forces detachment that have the title 2231 Regiment Elite Supertroopers. The EST is split up into 4 'squadrons' each with their own specialist skill. The troops are moved from squadron to squadron so they can get a wide range of knowledge and become a more complete soldier. The squadrons are as follows:

A Squadron: Counter Terrorism Wing.

B Squadron: Jungle Warfare

C Squadron: Overseas Deployment Corps

J Squadron: Training Wing

2231 EST would herby like to attend the war games in a hope to build future allies and help everybody's Special Force Soldiers 'become complete' because after all...we all could learn something
Guerrillistan
08-09-2003, 16:28
i could RP the Guerrillas/Terrorists?

:?:
08-09-2003, 17:21
Dear Sir,
As you may or may not know The Free land of jarvisimo_99 has a special forces detachment that have the title 2231 Regiment Elite Supertroopers. The EST is split up into 4 'squadrons' each with their own specialist skill. The troops are moved from squadron to squadron so they can get a wide range of knowledge and become a more complete soldier. The squadrons are as follows:

A Squadron: Counter Terrorism Wing.

B Squadron: Jungle Warfare

C Squadron: Overseas Deployment Corps

J Squadron: Training Wing

2231 EST would herby like to attend the war games in a hope to build future allies and help everybody's Special Force Soldiers 'become complete' because after all...we all could learn something

Errm....how many guys total is that? We'd like to keep this relatively small-scale as each nation is bringing rougly 10-15 troops (in other words one team).

Guerrillistan - the OPFOR (opposing forces) will be played by Tallcottian Marines, as this is only a simulation...still want to RP them?
08-09-2003, 17:24
OOC: And by the way - it's a race between Western Asia, Freedom country and Jarvisimo_99 to submit a roster in and claim the last spot.

Unless of course I accept them all...which I might. Depends on how quick you guys get back to me.
08-09-2003, 17:40
Ok

I will send

2 Teams of Elite Spec Ops Guys, with 6 members in each team.

The guys in the teams are:

2 Rifleman
2 AT guys
1 LMG Gunner
1 Sniper

They all carry the weapons of thir choosing.

I will also send 50 Spec Ops guys, with a selection of LAW's, LMG's and accesories.

I hope this will get me in :D .
08-09-2003, 20:06
My tech men are dissapointed that thir spicific skills may not come into play. But, they are good soldiers and can shoot as well as they analyse data. So, I dont see a problem having them attached, since all of them have prior experiance in covert action. A C-130 with the troops is on its way, followed by two MH-60s. Expect us within one day.


Best regards,
Dr. Humphry Smeigleson
Foregin Minister
The Commonwealth of ANSWA
08-09-2003, 20:08
Okay, we'll take both Freedom Country and ANSWA. If Western Asia reports in we'll take him too.

But that's it. From this point on the games are closed.

OOC: I'll TG everybody to see when it would be good to kick off the exercise.
08-09-2003, 20:10
Roster?
08-09-2003, 20:13
Yeah, we were hoping you'd submit some names (even if aliases) just so we can keep track of the stats on the MILES system.

Oh and if Jaravismo reports back in we'll take him as well - he has already shown interest.
08-09-2003, 20:20
Ok

I will send 1 team of 6

Could they use of SHUD sets (a soldiers heads up display)?

Anyway, names and types:

Micheal Jacobs - Rifleman - Team Lead
Dieter Munz - Support Gunner
Astra Galinsky - Sniper
Ross Kemp - AT
Henry Osadze - Support
Paul Gilchrist - Sniper

Thats the roster
08-09-2003, 20:21
OOC: Ross Kemp, Ultimate Force was great!
08-09-2003, 20:23
Hehe

No, he's just a guy that is in my squadron.

The rest are names from Ghost Recon :lol:
08-09-2003, 21:16
Sounds good, roster and SHUDs.

We'll distribute the MILES gear as the teams arrive. For now our guys are getting in some practice of their own before everyone else shows up.
08-09-2003, 21:19
Ok

My guys will arrive in a C-130K.

They carry:

Micheal Jacobs - Rifleman - Team Lead - FC-57
Dieter Munz - Support Gunner - FC-21
Astra Galinsky - Sniper - SVD
Ross Kemp - AT - M4 and LAW
Henry Osadze - Support - FC-72
Paul Gilchrist - Sniper - PSG-1

Grenades, NVG's and that stuff.

Lets start tommorow.
08-09-2003, 21:22
Well hopefully we can start tomorrow.

I suggest we do one event per RL day, so that people have time to run their teams through it even if they're not signed on at the same time as everyone else.
08-09-2003, 21:24
Sounds good, I can do that.

Is this a competition or just a kinda get together, where we can see who we are up against, and is a spot of fun.

I hope its for fun!!!
08-09-2003, 21:27
Yeah we're not grading teams' performance or giving out points or anything...we do encourage the teams to critique each other though. That way everybody can learn something from their counterparts.

Though at the end of the wargames we might hold some sort of team vs team match, for bragging rights.
08-09-2003, 21:45
And I'm going to make some nice maps so that everybody can actually see the missions and such (when it's needed, of course). In addition to that I'll write up some detailed breifings tonight.

OOC: I hope I won't get in any trouble by using Operation Flashpoint to create some maps...seems like people use game screens all the time.
08-09-2003, 21:49
My men are in country and hitting up your fine beaches for a little R&R before the compitition begins. They are looking forward to this.
09-09-2003, 01:30
Okay - here's the deal.

I'm going to start a new thread for the actual wargames.

We'll have one event per RL day, starting tommorow morning. The first event will be an assault on a mock terrorist camp.

I'll do my best to provide comprehensive breifings so we can make this as cool as possible...I'm thinking that I'll try using images from Operation Flashpoint's mission editor to give you an actual map of the area, marked up with objectives and so forth. I figure one good ingame pic of the target area will help too. This stuff will keep everybody on the same plane and make it easier to RP, I hope.

So we don't all have to be online at the same time - you've got all day to RP your team going through the events.

I think it would be much easier, in this case, if the guy controlling the team also controlled the opposition just for his "run," so we can keep it to a couple of posts per man. Just remember that the OPFOR is played by the all-volunteer Marine Corps who will be armed and equipped appropriately, depending on who they're supposed to be.

In short they're not morons, but neither are they particularly "elite."

You also get to control the Marines, if any, serving as the "friendly" forces.

Buy I'll remind everyone of that at the breifing for each event.

Sound good to everyone? Unless I hear otherwise I'll be opening the new thread tomorrow morning and we can start.
09-09-2003, 01:36
[Heh, everyone will be all "My guys sneak up on the enemy, snipers kill all the enemy outside. Our guys rush in and surprise the enemy, kill them all, complete everything, and no one dies.". *sigh* Oh well.]
09-09-2003, 01:47
[Heh, everyone will be all "My guys sneak up on the enemy, snipers kill all the enemy outside. Our guys rush in and surprise the enemy, kill them all, complete everything, and no one dies.". *sigh* Oh well.]

By giving them control of the OPFOR? Well I hope they don't do that but I figured that's better than posting and waiting for the guy controlling the OPFOR to reply, then doing it again, and again, and again...

Which way works better?
09-09-2003, 01:59
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09-09-2003, 02:05
Well, we do have a guy who wanted to RP the Marines...he just hasn't gotten back to me yet. If he confirms, we can use him, I guess.

SC: TG me about controlling the OPFOR against your team.
09-09-2003, 02:11
No, that would just cause massive confusion. I have no problem with everyone RPing their events, I just ask that people be honest and realistic about it. A brand new August 20+ nation is not going to have uber-elite Special Forces.

Give me a minute and I will dig up the link showing our training crap/.
09-09-2003, 02:26
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09-09-2003, 02:59
Yeah I'm not going to pretend like my guys are the best of the best...they were sent to another country for training though so they're definitely better-trained than the average grunt.

So I guess we're sticking with the RP-the-OPFOR then...just as long as people are realistic.
Western Asia
09-09-2003, 04:25
OOC: DAMMIT. Sorry, I'm going to have to pull out (no time tonight or foreseen...*grumble* I want to do this but I don't want to leave you hanging...and I don't have the time now.

Take me off. I'll try to catch you next time around...maybe I'll host a comp when I have the time.

As for the SEALs, while they can do DA/Assault missions, those tend to require supporting forces for anything larger than an isolated outpost. SEALs are mostly Recon/organic intell. They are trained for some assault missions but not really for Urban Ops or urban hostage rescue...work better as mud-sloggers and forest-creepers.

Used poorly, they're no better than normal troops (many SEALs died in Nicauragua during Op: Just Cause because CENTCOM had them try to take down an airport with 2 SEAL teams instead of a pair of ranger company (proper team for the mission)).

Note: SEALs were in Mog, but they weren't involved with Blackhawk Down. Delta and Rangers were the arrest/assault teams mostly.

So, theoretically they could do all of those missions, but in reality they would mostly do strike-and-move missions ashore. They don't like to act in positions better covered by more general forces and infantry. They're to the Marines what Delta is to the Rangers/Army.
Of the council of clan
09-09-2003, 04:28
All those that like special forces should check out my storefront

I got a nice peace of equipment that your frogmen would be interested in.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69198
09-09-2003, 04:29
Okay, NP.
Western Asia
09-09-2003, 05:03
OOC:
A bit of clarification (on SEALs Vs. Delta and all). Each "fighting" service wants its own SOF to accomplish missions necessary for their interests. This is why many groups overlap in abilities.

Source: http://www.specialoperations.com/Units/military.htm

The SEALs deploy with MEUs much as a Delta Team might deploy with a ranger regiment (they'll say that the MEU and Rangers (respectively) are there to support them :wink: ).

The Marine Corps has a special umbrella organization within any MEU that includes various special forces and "special purpose" groups (The Maritime Special Purpose Forcs). The SEALs are deployed as a part of that group in most combined-arms operations. The Marines are already fairly elite, but the MSPF and "Force Recon" are the "infantry plus" of the Marine Corps.

The US Army has Delta as the "topmost" with the Rangers and Green Berets standing in as the "infantry plus."

This is all muddled by the fact that each of these groups cross-train, are deployed on ops through JSOC/SOCOM, and often work side-by-side but it remains a fact that each group is formed to serve its own branch of the services primarily. The Marines and Navy are so intertwined that the SEALs are effectively a part of the Marine Corps for many actions (since the USMC is the primary ship-to-shore infantry and general assault group).


I really would've liked to participate but it simply isn't in the cards.
09-09-2003, 05:18
OOC: I know...I'm a bit of a US military freak. I've got a long line of ex-grunts in my family, so I heard all the stories growing up...I guess it stuck :wink:

While they all overlap in their capabilities, they all specialize in one thing or another...except for the SEALs, it seems. They do just about everything, and considering that my nation is actually a small island chain, I plan on putting most of the military emphasis on amphibious forces like the Marines and SEAL teams.

I like the fact that the SEALs, by necessity, need to be able to do it all since they're more likely to get to the combat zone first via MEU. It takes time for Delta and the Rangers to get moved in and set up, but I think the SEALs are trained the way they are because they're going to be the first ones there and therefore must be ready to do anything.

Certainly if I had a large, contiguous nation with a huge conventional ground force I'd be fielding more guys like Delta and the Green Berets, but just by virtue of my geography I'm going to stick with the catch-all SEAL-type units.

Plus, at this point they're the only special forces guys I have (and only about 100 of them at that) so they need to be able to do all the stuff I listed - which probably isn't the case in bigger nations.
Canada-Germany
09-09-2003, 05:39
OOC: Cool, military freaks. ^_^ I'm a military freak (a Canadian one, lol) and am also a Pte, nice to meetcha's, lol.
09-09-2003, 05:46
OOC: Feels good to be able to discuss matters of the military with intelligent people...can't do that in college. If you start talking about the military in any educated manner people give you funny looks and call you a warmongering Republican.

But anyway...I'll post the first mission briefing tomorrow morning around 9EST (maybe a little later than that, don't have any classes till 2). I don't think this picture idea is going to work but I have written up a pretty detailed breifing so we should all be on the same page.

Till then.
09-09-2003, 15:00
Alright, sounds good. As long as people are realalistic in their RPing.

And count me in as one more Military Freak...Can never have too many.

This is going to prove mighty interesting. Out for now, I'll check back in around 1200, after Anthropology class.

Also, How old is everyone here? I'm 21 in college from NY.
09-09-2003, 15:21
18 In college in upstate NY :D

Opening new thread for the actual combat.

PREPARE FOR WAR!!!!!!!!1 :lol:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69507
09-09-2003, 17:31
No shit?! Im un Upstate too, syracuse to be exact.
09-09-2003, 17:34
Ithaca...but I was considering Syracuse for a while.
09-09-2003, 17:34
Im 25 in Scotland, RAF Leuchars.

Im RAF
09-09-2003, 17:35
Hey don't you have a terrorist camp to take out??? lol

K Freedom Country has finished the camp event...who's up next?

If nobody takes it I'm going in.