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The Protoss colony of Aiur II wishes to borrow a sizable (by our nation's standards) amount of money from any nation that agrees. We will need around 2,000,000,000 for our biggest project yet, the construction of 3 large facilities. The first two will be huge research facilities, dedicated to Psionics and Plasma respectively. The third will be a huge Plasma manufacturing plant, capable of mass producing plasma weapons, shields, even toothpicks if we feel there is a need.

The money would, of course, be repayed in full with an addition 100 million in interest, and investors would be given first priority and special discounts to any plasma products that they decide to purchase from us.

we would be glad to donate 2 billion US dollars

We are very grateful for these funds, please get them wired and we can begin construction immediately.

Expected time until completion: 1 year

-Two billion wired-

If you need more, we would be happy to give it and you need not pay it back.

-Two Billion U.S. Dollars Recieved-

Once again, we must express our gratitude. We will not forget this show of kindness. If you ever need anything in the future, be sure to alert us and we will do our best to help you.

We wish to give you found sfor a total value of:

4 billion dollars.

We of Padmasa would like to donate a very large sum to you (think 10s of billions) for access to your research and production facilities. In short, we wish to learn how to manufacture what you already can, and pay you a lot of cash for it. What do you say?

-Haruat Kreegsbrock

How unexpected. We have nations falling over themselves to give us money. We happily accept your offer of 2 billion US dollars, though if anybody could transport any people to our colony on Mars with speed, we would be grateful for the manpower.

I am sorry Padmasa, but we must respectfully decline your offer. The secret of harnessing Plasma has been with the Protoss race for many years, and we do not wish to simply sell it on. While we will produce plasma products, they will be designed with a safety catch that burns the inside of the device out if the outer shell becomes exposed. It is sad that we have to take these precautions, but we cannot allow plasma technology to leak into the market.

Estimated time until completion: 11 months. (6-7 with additional workers)

We of Padmasa would like to donate a very large sum to you (think 10s of billions) for access to your research and production facilities. In short, we wish to learn how to manufacture what you already can, and pay you a lot of cash for it. What do you say?

-Haruat Kreegsbrock

Let's talk.

How unexpected. We have nations falling over themselves to give us money. We happily accept your offer of 2 billion US dollars, though if anybody could transport any people to our colony on Mars with speed, we would be grateful for the manpower.

I am sorry Padmasa, but we must respectfully decline your offer. The secret of harnessing Plasma has been with the Protoss race for many years, and we do not wish to simply sell it on. While we will produce plasma products, they will be designed with a safety catch that burns the inside of the device out if the outer shell becomes exposed. It is sad that we have to take these precautions, but we cannot allow plasma technology to leak into the market.

Estimated time until completion: 11 months. (6-7 with additional workers)

I want to give you a heads up before you think about moving to mars: It's already occupied, you're going to have a hard time settling there without major conflicts.

I've already been given the go-ahead by it's founder, we've been living there for the past few years.

Be advised, even though you are Protoss, using plasma for energy of any kind will result in a lawsuit by us and a possible invasion by the PA(C)T.

Ask anyone, we OWN plasma energy.

I want to give you a heads up before you think about moving to mars: It's already occupied, you're going to have a hard time settling there without major conflicts.Mars is a big place, there should be plenty of room for him. If he wants, he can always move to Green Mars so that his people don't have to live in a disgusting dome all their lives.

Be advised, even though you are Protoss, using plasma for energy of any kind will result in a lawsuit by us and a possible invasion by the PA(C)T.

Ask anyone, we OWN plasma energy.

May I buy the rights to use Plasma Energy for Padmasa's use in weapons? We will pay a good deal for this...


Benderland: Padmasa is already developing plasma weapons but they are a LONG way off, we wish to purchas tech and research to speed it up a few hundred years. We offer you 50 billion for this.

Auir II: We are sorry for this development. We look foward to any future dealings Between your people and Padmasa.

Be advised, even though you are Protoss, using plasma for energy of any kind will result in a lawsuit by us and a possible invasion by the PA(C)T.

Ask anyone, we OWN plasma energy.

Woah, hold the phone. You can't OWN plasma energy.

Can the United States own nuclear energy because we have nuclear power plants?

Can't we reach some form of agreement over this? I don't want to anger any other nations over this, but I feel that the Protoss as a race have a larger claim than any single nation, but thats just my opinion.

Woah, hold the phone. You can't OWN plasma energy.

Can the United States own nuclear energy because we have nuclear power plants?The U.S. didn't copyright nuclear power.

However, we DID copyright plasma. :wink:

Woah, hold the phone. You can't OWN plasma energy.

Can the United States own nuclear energy because we have nuclear power plants?The U.S. didn't copyright nuclear power.

However, we DID copyright plasma. :wink:

There are copywright laws to prevent copywrighting things you didn't actually make, it just happened. For example, no one can copywright trees because they grew in their front lawn.

You cannot copywright plasma energy itself. However, you can copywright methods to harness it.

You can't copyright a form of energy, it's just...wrong.

May I buy the rights to use Plasma Energy for Padmasa's use in weapons? We will pay a good deal for this...


Benderland: Padmasa is already developing plasma weapons but they are a LONG way off, we wish to purchas tech and research to speed it up a few hundred years. We offer you 50 billion for this.

Auir II: We are sorry for this development. We look foward to any future dealings Between your people and Padmasa.You can have plasma weaponry, but not ones that are powered by plasma energy. We will not sell rights to plasma energy, but we will sell individual reactors or batteries to those in need, however.

Benderland: Padmasa is already developing plasma weapons but they are a LONG way off, we wish to purchas tech and research to speed it up a few hundred years. We offer you 50 billion for this.

No problem. We'll send you plenty of research conducted involving plasma, and a few dozen of our various weapons that utilize plasma for you to take apart and tinker around with. Keep in mind these won't be loaded for safety sake, but the research covers the production of the ammunition for it.

There are copywright laws to prevent copywrighting things you didn't actually make, it just happened. For example, no one can copywright trees because they grew in their front lawn.

You cannot copywright plasma energy itself. However, you can copywright methods to harness it.Fine, I copyrighted our way to draw energy from plasma. As there is no other way to do what we have just said, we have essentially copyrighted plasma energy.

Satisfied now?

Sounds like you're about to land yourself a nice fat lawsuit, Benderland.

No. Because you can't say "I found it and there's no other way you can get it!", because that's godmodding. If there's a will, lots of money, technology, scientists, and donuts, there's a way.

There's more than one way to crack an egg.

No problem. We'll send you plenty of research conducted involving plasma energy, and a few dozen of our various weapons that utilize plasma for you to take apart and tinker around with. Keep in mind these won't be loaded for safety sake, but the research covers the production of the ammunition for it.

A messenger will be along in the coming days with your money, and of course to pick up the research and weapons. A pleasure doing business with you.

Resi Corp: Thank you very much.

No. Because you can't say "I found it and there's no other way you can get it!", because that's godmodding. If there's a will, lots of money, technology, scientists, and donuts, there's a way.

There's more than one way to crack an egg.

Exactly. Protoss use completely different methods to humans to do the same thing. We use psi instead of electricity, for example.

Exactly. Protoss use completely different methods to humans to do the same thing. We use psi instead of electricity, for example.If you use Psi for energy, then you wouldn't need plasma anyways. >_<

OOC: Benderland, can you explain your process to get Plasma energy OOCly, please?

Psi is a different form of energy to plasma, and has different uses. Psi is difficult to seperate, making it good formelee weapons, and powering groups of buildings. However, it means that things such as shields (which only cover the edge of something) or long range weapons are of very poor quality if powered by Psi. Plasma, on the other hand, is more versatile, and while it's less powerful, it is much better at making ranged weapons and shields.

OOC: Benderland, can you explain your process to get Plasma energy OOCly, please?

You first. Not because I want to copy you, but because I doubt your ability to pull this off after losing a few wars to Melkor. Check your telegrams.

I have a question:
Plasma is just superheated plastic, so how can this be used as an energy source or a shield.

...Plasma is just superheated plastic...

*hands Novistana a chemistry text book*

plas·ma ( P ) Pronunciation Key (plzm) also plasm (plzm)
n.

...

5. Physics. An electrically neutral, highly ionized gas composed of ions, electrons, and neutral particles. It is a phase of matter distinct from solids, liquids, and normal gases.

No, plasma is superheated gas. Superheated to the point of ionization, i.e, to the point where electrons are being stripped from the atoms of whatever you are heating.

Plasma consists of a collection of free-moving electrons and ions - atoms that have lost electrons. Energy is needed to strip electrons from atoms to make plasma. The energy can be of various origins: thermal, electrical, or light (ultraviolet light or intense visible light from a laser). With insufficient sustaining power, plasmas recombine into neutral gas.
Plasma can be accelerated and steered by electric and magnetic fields which allows it to be controlled and applied. Plasma research is yielding a greater understanding of the universe. It also provides many practical uses: new manufacturing techniques, consumer products, and the prospect of abundant energy.

May I buy the rights to use Plasma Energy for Padmasa's use in weapons? We will pay a good deal for this...


Benderland: Padmasa is already developing plasma weapons but they are a LONG way off, we wish to purchas tech and research to speed it up a few hundred years. We offer you 50 billion for this.

Auir II: We are sorry for this development. We look foward to any future dealings Between your people and Padmasa.You can have plasma weaponry, but not ones that are powered by plasma energy. We will not sell rights to plasma energy, but we will sell individual reactors or batteries to those in need, however.

Resi, you can't copyright plasma energy. That's like North Korea copyrighting air, for [violet]'s sake.

No, plasma is superheated gas. Superheated to the point of ionization, i.e, to the point where electrons are being stripped from the atoms of whatever you are heating.

More then that, plasma is a state of matter in which the electrons of atoms are completely disassociated from the nucleus.

Take elemental Copper (Cu)...it has 29 protons and 29 electrons.

A copper ion could have more or fewer electrons then normal.

But in a plasma, the copper would be completely ionized...no electrons would orbit the proton/neutron nucleus.

It is also important to note that plasmas are, by definition, neutral. The electrons are still zipping around near the nucleus', but they have too much energy to settle into an orbit.

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My question is, how the hell does a "plasma reactor" work? What are you reacting?

Phase changes, solid->liquid->gas->plasma and back are chemical in nature. Presumably, if you could find a source of plasma to mine (like the sun), you could cool it down (to where it would form gasses, in the case of the sun, mostly hydrogen and some helium) and get energy from that. But how are you going to mine the sun?

And like other chemical reactions, you can't make it, then get energy from it. It takes more energy to make plasma then you can get back...the rest is lost to entropy.

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There are nuclear reactions...namely Fission, Fusion, and Anti-Matter, but....

In a fission reaction there is no need for a plasma, and making uranium into a plasma would not help get any more reaction.

In a fusion reaction there is already plasma. The temperatures which give hydrogen (or other light) atoms enough energy to collide are so high that those atoms exist as a plasma.

Anti-matter isl ike fission, there is no need for a plasma (doesn't help any).

But in ALL these reactions, we get energy from converting some matter into energy. Some of the mass of the atoms are turned into energy.

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So I don't understand how a "plasma reactor" can work. What is to react? Your loosing energy.

Do we we get 100 million no matter how much we invest? We would suggest a percentage rate, encourages higher donations.

¤Speaker for the Trinity¤

(OOC: Resi, exactly how do you make plasma for your generators?)

A note about copyrights.

Copyrights are country laws.

Many nations have treaties with others to respect copyrights across boarders.

But because states (as in, countries) have soverignty, those that don't sign such treaties are not limited by them.

This is why we see cracked and copied versions of Western software comming out of Southeast Asia...and why Western corporations can't do a thing about it, legally. Those copycats are within their legal rights because they are in a soverign nation.

*Ahem*
The Free Land of Tarrican also has a patent on extracting energy from plasma and since we do not accept jurastiction of the Resi Corporation Copyrights Division, we must request that said organisation cease and decist from the production, sale and movement of all such technologies.

We have also trademarked the name "The Resi Corporation", therefore we request and require you to cease all trading, sale of goods, international representaion and acts of extortion that are being performed under that name.

Seriously, however, if you do not cease attempting to extort these nations for 'protection money' on blatantly specious grounds, we will send falsified bills to both Menmelmacar and Melkor demanding that they pay the Resi Corporation huge sums of money for the Plasma technology that they had been using for a long time before the Resi Corporation was bigger than a medium-sized burger franchise!

Others,
Nobody has to acknowledge any specious patent from his retroactive and mythical Resi-Corp patent office. Please continue your research uninhibited... in fact, we will donate 10 billion towards the research, gratis, and wish you luck in your developments.

Thoughts, fears, hopes, tears... Tarrican out.

The nation of Pilon would gladly support the Protoss' efforts into new research and development. We ask instead of a payment of interest that you simply share with us your reports.
If you are willing to do so we will donate to your cause as much as 50 Billion Pis (Dollars whatever...)

We will offer 5% interest on all donations, so a donation of 2 billion would require that 2.1 billion be repayed in total.

We are thankful for your large donation, Tarrican, and will be sure to put it to good use. It is a good sign that so many nations are willing to support growing countries.

50 billion Pie's? That is most certainly an offer worth considering, should we ever run short of food.On a more serious note, however, we are now giving serious consideration to your proposal. The Protoss high council is divided on the matter.

"Come on. What is one more powerful nation going to do with plasma technology? It seems that several other nations are already researching it, if we accept the offer now, we can get ahead of the rest."

"Plasma is part of our heritage. If you sell plasma technology you might as well sell psionics too! Plasma is one of our few advantages in this world, and one we should keep!"

"I say we ask for more money. Perhaps 75 billion. This nation is obviously very advanced, and could prove to be a very useful ally. Besides, we still have warp technology, and there is no weapon in the universe that can match a warp blade for sheer power."

I am considering your offer carefully, and listening to all of my counselors. I shall inform you of my decision when i reach one.

we understand

My apologies, I forgot to give you an update in my last broadcast.

Estimated time until completion: 5-6 months (The additional funds have really helped to speed up the construction process)

In other news, I am swaying towards the proposal of my third advisor, though I am still unsure. Before anybody asks, we are not interested in selling the rights to manufacture our warp blades, nor are we willing to sell them at all.

we will give AuirII these things for being buisness affiliates and having access to thier research.

100 billion US dollars

access to all of OUR research

10 million workers to help in a facilities (not on loan, permanent) as janitors, builders and architects.

This is also of interest to us, though the debate amongst the council is much the same as the one about Pilon. We do have a question for you though: How technologically advanced is your nation?

rather advanced, some would consider us a space-age nation, but we have nuclear and up until recently, biological weapon production (it is now prohibited by th UN). we still have the research for out most potent biological weapon, the Quantum Virus. if you would like to know how it works, telegram us.

...Plasma is just superheated plastic...

*hands Novistana a chemistry text book*

plas·ma ( P ) Pronunciation Key (plzm) also plasm (plzm)
n.

...

5. Physics. An electrically neutral, highly ionized gas composed of ions, electrons, and neutral particles. It is a phase of matter distinct from solids, liquids, and normal gases.

OoC:Ok, I was wrong (not for the first time *sigh*)

IC: I will give 6.5 billion Novistanian credits (around 2 billion USD)

we want to let you know that we will not be willing to send more money, we have a tight budget and can only spare the 50 billion on such research projects, we have an Arcology to build, other research projects to fund, plus we are not so sure your research will be entirely of any use to us. If you ask for more money we will refuse.

Pilon: We are willing to accept your offer. My opinion was balanced and unsure, but it was not the money that changed my mind, it was your work with taking in refugees from other countries. We commend you for this and gladly accept your offer.

Novistana, we thank you for your generous donation.

Shing-Lo, could this 'Quantum Virus' be altered to fit into a small cartridge next to the hand, or placed inside some form of blade to infect the target on hit? This would mean that it would have to be liquidised, and die along with it's host, but if you could develop this for us then we will aid you with our plasma technology.

of course it ould be liquidized, but you might have to use a containment field, because it is airborne. we DO have a different virus that is specificaly designed to cantaminate water, and it kills in seconds....
if you want a poison for the end of psi-blades, or for darts, we have many things that could accomidate you.

cartriges by the hand would be easy, but it would have to be a person in an air-tight suit if he was the same species as the one that the virus is designed to accomidate...

Then we accept your offer of 100 billion US dollars, and give you access to all of our research into Plasma weapons and defences. Note: You also have access to our research into Psionics, should you wish to look at it, however, humans do not possess great Psionic abilities, so you may not find it very useful.

Current Donation Total: 204 Billion US Dollars.

Donators:

Shing-Lo
Pilon
Tarrican
Blademasters
The French Loyalists
Novista
Benderland

Estimated Time Until Completion: 5 months (2-3 if the workers from Shing-Lo can be transported soon)

Due to our huge success in acquiring funds, we have decided to construct a 2nd Plasma Factory when the current facilities have been completed. This one will be twice the size of the 1st, and will produce plasma weapons and defences at an incredible speed. It should take around 6 months to complete, and construction will begin as soon as we complete the current facilities.

Benderland would like to donate $40 Billion US Dollars because it's on a spending bender after recently reaching a Frightening economy. :D

We don't ask for anything in return.

shing-Lo workers should arrive very soon, thanks to our noworld* technology.


-edited for atrocious spelling errors

People who are donating, think about what you are doing. Just randomly handing out billions of dollars to someone you do not know and you get nothing in return. We would like to know what it is precisely that you are researching before anything happens between Auir II and Indra Prime in terms of research aid.

Another question if I may:
Why do people need close combat viruses?
Lead bullets would kill someone just as much as a fancy virus.
My Country makes a nice profit on supplying (sp?) arms and ammunition to other countries because its cheaper to produce than spending billions on complicated plasma weapons or special viruses. :?

And how come I'm not on the donators list?

-Why do people need close combat viruses? Lead bullets would kill someone just as much as a fancy virus.

OK if you had a virus, say... swirling around your hand inside a containment field, nd then you out your hand near someone, they would get the virus, no matter if they hve armor. bullets can be stopped by shields and armor. viruses can't.


And how come I'm not on the donators list?

probably because he doesn't like you... but it could just be an innocent mistake...

My apoligies Novistana, I'll edit my previous post.

Indra Prime, we can see your concern with this, and I understand your position fully. Our first project is going to be some form of small, mobile Plasma Shield. We will finalise the details once our research facility is up and running, but it will work something like this:

It will be a small black box, slightly bigger than a human fist, that can be strapped to a belt or fitted into a combat suit. It will detect general DNA patterns, allowing it to recognise humans, protoss, or whatever species you like. Once activated, the Plasma shield will form an air-tight shield around the skin or shell of whoever is wearing it. Plasma shields are cost effective, as they regenerate over time, meaning that unless the actual pack is damaged, they can last for thousands of years. They can stand around 5-10 hits from a human machine gun, less from more powerful weapons such as sniper rifles. Once we have the specs finalised, we will begin manufacturing these and sell them on to our benefactors first, then nations sited on Mars, and then onto the more powerful nations.

My apoligies Novistana, I'll edit my previous post.

Indra Prime, we can see your concern with this, and I understand your position fully. Our first project is going to be some form of small, mobile Plasma Shield. We will finalise the details once our research facility is up and running, but it will work something like this:

It will be a small black box, slightly bigger than a human fist, that can be strapped to a belt or fitted into a combat suit. It will detect general DNA patterns, allowing it to recognise humans, protoss, or whatever species you like. Once activated, the Plasma shield will form an air-tight shield around the skin or shell of whoever is wearing it. Plasma shields are cost effective, as they regenerate over time, meaning that unless the actual pack is damaged, they can last for thousands of years. They can stand around 5-10 hits from a human machine gun, less from more powerful weapons such as sniper rifles. Once we have the specs finalised, we will begin manufacturing these and sell them on to our benefactors first, then nations sited on Mars, and then onto the more powerful nations.

OOC: no offense intended, but how can such a young nation have access to plasmatic technology by sole invention? We've been around for a while and we are now only getting to personal defense screens. We have traded for some of this technology but developing it takes time. So unless you have been doing industrial espionage there is a very slim chance that you have come up with this by yourself.

IC: Where did you get the plans for this technology?

-Why do people need close combat viruses? Lead bullets would kill someone just as much as a fancy virus.

OK if you had a virus, say... swirling around your hand inside a containment field, nd then you out your hand near someone, they would get the virus, no matter if they hve armor. bullets can be stopped by shields and armor. viruses can't.


And how come I'm not on the donators list?

probably because he doesn't like you... but it could just be an innocent mistake...

Maybe your right..a virus could get through armour, but it couldn't get through a full NBC biohazard suit (but bullets could)

we gave him 160 some billion dollars, and im sharing all of my technology with him.

Plasma technology has been used by the Protoss for hundreds of years. Every single Protoss, every single building, every single worker droid, is protected by a built in Plasma shield. We are one of the most technologically advanced races in existence. We are the Protoss.

OOC: Besides, whats to say that new nations automatically have crappy technology? Few people I can understand, but they shouldn't be stuck in the 1800's just because they haven't been here for very long.

OOC: thats true aiure, BUT, you will have low production rates (or would if a wasn't going to be your buisness affiliate) because you dont have enough people to work in the factories to make psi blades and such. you might have the output of say... california.... but, anyways.

IC: aiureII, we wish to help you with production of your shields. we also ave sent you samples of all of our biological weapons (and a scientist team of 7 to explain them) along with the last batch of workers, and they should be arriving there in the next 10 minutes. please send back: some scientist with the lates tech and a prototype and all research of the shield box.

OOC: Yes, I'd thought about the slow production, that's why I decided to only sell to donators at first.

IC: Unfortunately we do not have a prototype of the mobile plasma shield ready, however we will send one of our Zealots (Basic foot infantry, their combat suits have a built in plasma shield) and a copy of the basic blueprints for the mobile shield. I have just processed the command, and they are boarding the carrier as we speak. We thank you greatly for your donation of workers, and hope that you are pleased with what we will send you.

Estimated Time Until Completion: 2-3 Weeks

that is very satisfactory. we belive our scientist team has arrived. please confirm this.

oh, our scientist also had our nospace* technology. it is the most advanced science that we have.

Your science team has arrived, and is well and safe. The samples brought with them are very...interesting...to us. Particularly the paralysation poison. A very effective non-lethal crowd disperser.

OOC: What is this nospace* technology?

it creates a small dimensional portal that a single person can step through (thats personal size, you can fit a larger one in a car or spaceship) and they are transported to another dimension that is exactly the same, exept, shing-lo discovered, time moves much slower, so you can make a very long journey in a matter of seconds to the outside world. we have found another one that seems to have much smaller space, as one of our scientists took a single step and found himself on the city limits.

Ahh, fairly similar to our warp technology then, except that we have more...devious...uses for it. That and we can warp entire buildings in a matter of minutes with it.

Pilon: We are willing to accept your offer. My opinion was balanced and unsure, but it was not the money that changed my mind, it was your work with taking in refugees from other countries. We commend you for this and gladly accept your offer.


thank you and you're welcome

rather like it. i think that we could warp a bulding if it had some form of getting through the portal... but the protoss never seem to warp units, just buildings to train them. radiation, perhaps??

OOC: thats true aiure, BUT, you will have low production rates (or would if a wasn't going to be your buisness affiliate) because you dont have enough people to work in the factories to make psi blades and such. you might have the output of say... california.... but, anyways.

OOC Note: California has one of the largest economies in the world.... #5, in fact. California's gross state product exceeds $1.3 trillion, accounts for 13 percent of the nation's output, and trails only Japan, Germany, and the United Kingdom. The US's next largest state economy—New York—is about 60 percent the size of California's.

ok, ok. sorry. Kansas. happy?

OOC: Brief Note on Patents - this has been stated previously but I want to expand on it.

Patents are only valid in nations that recognize patents generated internally or externally with other nations they have a patent share treaty with. Patents also have a limited duration, depending on the nation of issue. For example patents issued in the Republic are only valid for 5 years, then the technology becomes public domain to encourage innovation.

Patents are also subject to 'Prior Art'. You can attempt to patent something that is in use, but if someone else shows they used it previously the patent will be invalidated and any financial gains will need to be returned.

Another thing you must remember about patents is that a example must be accessable to check new designs against. That process is open to abuse as you can check out and copy a design along with it's technical specifications. The Republic does NOT patent any of it's top secret military equipment for this reason. I don't believe the US does either for that matter.

IC:
Auir II - we will be willing to assist with construction of this facility as part of our previous arrangement to help construct housing for your people. Consider it a housewarming present.