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From Sun-Tzu's Art of War, Chapter 12: Fire Attacks: 'Those who use fire to assist in attacks are intelligent (...)'

The PaFT-3 flamethrower is an essential part of the Imperial Armed Forces armory. Indispensable for urban and jungle warfare, close combat situations and assaulting fortified positions (tunnels, bunkers, trenches, caves...), a Patruan infantry outfit typically carries this weapon with it.
On the defensive too, this weapon has formidable capabilities, perfectly suitable for devastating ambushes. It's suitable for anti-tank operations and clearing dense growth as well... not to mention the tremendous negative psychological effect of such an awe-inspiring weapon.
The PaFT-3 is a effective and versatile weapon, extremely deadly in capable hands.

Flamethrowers have been outlawed by the Geneva Convention, so UN nations are strongly recommended not to purchase these.
Some nations have replaced their flamethrowers by rocketlaunchers that fire incendiary rounds. Although these weapons are great in their own right, they're more a complementary weapon than a replacement:

-you can't spray a rocket though a firing slit
-you can't fan a rocket over an arch
-you can't use a rocket for a 'cold shot' (spraying a target with liquid fuel out of the nozzle, then wait for the target to fire or light it yourself -a psychological nightmare for the victim)

The PaFT-3 has electrical ignition and there is no pilot light to go out. The components of the flamethrower are completely encapsulated and will function even if the device has been completely immersed in water (once the user is above water again). It comes with a kevlar/steel encasing to provide cover against bullets.

Weight: 25.5 kg (without kevlar/steel encasing)
Reload: 8/5 minutes*
Fuel: 15 litres
Shots: 11
Range (thickened*): 60 meters
Range (unthickened*): 15 meters
Price: $1,000

Want to have a hell of a lighter? Buy some of these.

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The PaFT-3

*Time required to reload the fuel cylinders and recharge the air cylinder with an air compressor, completely, in minutes. Time is with thickened/unthickened fuel.
*Range with thickened fuel. This is gasoline, diesel, or other fuel, made thicker with various additives (which can be as simple as dish soap or glycerine).
*Range with straight fuel or oil, not thickened by additives.

http://krimzonpyro.com/ep/infodir/flametank.jpg

http://krimzonpyro.com/ep/infodir/flamethrower.jpg

http://krimzonpyro.com/ep/infodir/Flame.jpg

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/weapons-recent/flame.jpg

Pictures of the PaFT-3 in use


Imperial Armed Forces of Patrua

we will take 1000 to test with our Underground Combat Engineer(tunnel fighters)

1 mill wired on confirm

THIS is the TRUE flamethrower of D00M, do NOT buy from AMATEURS, their products aren`t even WOODEN! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1467372#1467372)

we will take 1000 to test with our Underground Combat Engineer(tunnel fighters)

1 mill wired on confirm

Order confirmed, Rylleh. This thing will brighten your day.

THIS is the TRUE flamethrower of D00M, do NOT buy from AMATEURS, their products aren`t even WOODEN!

Forgive us the conformism of our engineers. Apparently they didn't even consider wood to design a flamethrower... Strange people, these scientists.

Don't want to freeze this winter?
Then enjoy our

Special winter-is-coming-soon sale: First ten orders of at least 100 will get ten for free!

Cool, didn't know these were for sale.
I'll take a 1000 for my engineers.

Roasting people alive, cold shots, banned by the geneva convention, :mrgreen: wow could this sound any more like my nation.
:wink:
400 please. Training manuals included?

Pwnica orders 1000.
1 million USD will be shipped upon confirmation.

We'll buy 10,000 of them. 10,000,000 has been wired. :)

Patrua Im not convinced they're banned, I dug this up, just for interest.

Though flamethrowers were in use as recently as the Vietnam War, none of our service branches has any in their inventory now. (None of the experts and old Army hands interviewed for this story knew exactly when they were eliminated.) The field manual used by the Army and Marines states that “flame is a valuable close combat weapon” that can be “used to demoralize troops and reduce positions that have resisted other forms of attack,” but the manual dropped detailed descriptions of flamethrower tactics in the early 1990s. A 66 mm man-portable rocket launcher that fires an incendiary round is still on the books, but most experienced U.S. military folks contacted this past week weren’t familiar with it. (One retired Army officer did remember that “years ago” the rocket was used at a U.S. base in a demonstration for visitors. He says such a fire rocket would be “dandy” for caves.) As the Afghan war bogs down against opponents willing to literally go underground, one very promising U.S. weapon for going after them is missing in action.

Why? Primarily because, among civilians, fire weapons are considered inhumane. The fuel for flamethrowers is basically napalm, and napalm has never recovered from its Vietnam reputation for awfulness. (Indeed, in 1978 the Defense Department unilaterally decided to stop using it.) Because flamethrowers spew jellied fuel that sticks to skin and clothes, the fire they produce is extremely difficult to put out. As a result, they often inflict second- and third-degree burns all over the body. Even if your skin isn’t burned to a crisp, you may well suffocate (the fire sucks oxygen from the air), or inhale fire and poisonous gases, or die from shock. Nevertheless, the United States has never officially sworn off flamethrowers. And there’s no good reason that it should.

They are not banned by the generally accepted rules of warfare. The navy/Marine Judge Advocate General —which speaks for the legal branch of the Armed Forcrs—has concluded that fire weapons, including flamethrowers, are not illegal per se or by treaty, and the Army and Marine Corps field manuals flatly state that “their use is not a violation of international law.” Law professor Robert K. Goldman of American University, whose expertise includes the rules of war, agrees: “You can’t directly use them against civilians or use them indiscriminately in a way that’s likely to create civilian casualties, but they are not banned as such.”

That a weapon inflicts horrible deaths and injuries shouldn’t by itself rule out its use. It would be foolish to deny that the effects of flamethrowers and other fire weapons are gruesome. But such ghastliness can also be attributed to cluster bombs (which can leave thousands of limb- and torso-destroying bomblets lying about dormant for years, and which the United States has already used in Afghanistan) and land mines (which the United States has refused to foreswear), not to mention artillery, mortars, or machine guns, which are used by every military force in the world. The test of whether a weapon should be used (at all or in a given circumstance) isn’t its lethality—they’re all horrible—it’s how well it can help attain a military objective while not producing political or human-rights problems.

hell ill take 5,000....*5,000,000 wired*

Cool, didn't know these were for sale.
I'll take a 1000 for my engineers.

First post and you order a thousand flamethrowers. What a way to get started :)
$990,000 should do it.

Roasting people alive, cold shots, banned by the geneva convention, :mrgreen: wow could this sound any more like my nation.
:wink:
400 please. Training manuals included?

Sure you can, although I'm convinced your grunts are naturals.
It's gonna be $390,000.

Pwnica orders 1000.
1 million USD will be shipped upon confirmation.

Order confirmed, but it'll only cost ya $990,000. Special offer above, right?

We'll buy 10,000 of them. 10,000,000 has been wired. :)

Major order, like that. Same as above, it's only gonna be $9,990,000.

Patrua Im not convinced they're banned, I dug this up, just for interest.
text above

Afraid it wouldn't befit your nation anymore, are you? :wink:

Part of the point of the Geneva Conventions that could be applied here:

Indiscriminate, as in non-targettable (e.g., chemical and biochemical weapons, both of which have effects after release that can't be reliably contained or directed) or intended only to wound or cause excessive wounding (e.g., fragmentation bullets).

Incendiaries have secondary effects that are indiscriminate (out-of-control fires razing an entire village, for instance), and cause excessive wounding (burns are, on the whole, frequently non-fatal and far more terrible to suffer than a gunshot or fragment wound). As a result, the Geneva Convention Incendiary Weapons Protocol prohibits use of incendiaries against personnel, but they are allowed against non-personnel targets-- with caveats: no use against targets among civilians (unless well separated and "all feasible precautions" are taken to minimize civilian damage). So I guess it's a kind of twilight zone discussion. One can always try to justify the use of these weapons just as well as the guy on the other side can accuse you of breaching the Geneva Convention.

hell ill take 5,000....*5,000,000 wired*

Right on, that's the spirit. Order is on its way *wires $10,000 back along with it*

the $990,000 have been sent

We'll take 10,000. $9,990,000 will be wired upon confirmation.

We'll take 1100. $1 million, right?
Money wired.

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We'll take 10,000. $9,990,000 will be wired upon confirmation.

Order confirmed, thanks for buying.

We'll take 1100. $1 million, right?
Money wired.

No, you only get ten for free as everybody else. If you'd take 1010, you'd have to pay a mil. If you're taking 1100, you'll have to pay $1,090,000.

Just realized this system is flawed. If you'd have placed 5 orders of 200, I'd have to give 50 for free... Luckily it's only the first ten who get to benefit from this special promotion.

10 flamethrowers
*credits wired*

Confirmed and thanks for buying.

Wired.

Order confirmed, thanks for buying.
Money wired.

We'll take 1100. $1 million, right?
Money wired.

No, you only get ten for free as everybody else. If you'd take 1010, you'd have to pay a mil. If you're taking 1100, you'll have to pay $1,090,000.


Oops :oops: , I thought it said 100 flamethrowers free; anyway the extra has been wired.

Strongly advised against it, eh?

How much for a license?

I will take 10,000.

For SpecOps, Infantary and Urban Combat.

MMMM.....cold shots.

Oops :oops: , I thought it said 100 flamethrowers free; anyway the extra has been wired.

No problem, thanks for the money.


Strongly advised against it, eh?

How much for a license?

We will have to disappoint you, but the policy of our armed forces prohibits the sale of production rights/licenses because of strategic reasons. You are of course most welcome to buy some anyway.

I will take 10,000.

For SpecOps, Infantary and Urban Combat.

MMMM.....cold shots.

Order confirmed for $9,990,000.
These cold shots really seem to trigger some minds here...

Thanks for the order.