Looking for CHEAP planes
Chellis, whom has always felt the need to regularly train its men, is in need of the cheapest military planes it can find, from 1970's and on, so taht it can train them against its own planes. We are looking for price, not how good they are, so please, make offers or link threads, if your are lower than anyone else whom has posted.
Johnistan
02-09-2003, 19:34
Jimmy's plane
Cost: 10$
Some kid named Jimmy made a plane out of wood
Why do you need flying cannon fodder?
(I shouldnt be talking with my 3000 ground attack MiG-15's, but...)
I have MiG-9 jet fighters
$20,000 a piece
I have F-5Es
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-5_5.jpg
Origin: USA
Type: light tactical fighter
Max Speed: 940 kt / 1,082 mph
Max Range 3,724 km / 2,314 miles
Dimensions: span 8.13 m / 26 ft 8 in
length 14.45 m / 47 ft 4.7 in
height 4.07 m / 13 ft 4.25 in
Weight: empty 4,410 kg / 9,723 lb
max. take-off 11,214 kg /
24,722 lb
Powerplant: two 2268-kg (5,000-lb) afterburning thrust General Electric J85-GE-21 B turbojets
Armament: two 20 mm M39 cannon with 280 rounds per gun; provision for 3175 kg (7,000 Ib) of disposable stores, including AAMs, ASMs, bomber, cluster bombs, dispenser weapons, rocket-launcher pods, cannon pods, drop tanks and ECM pods, carried on five external hardpoints and two wing tip missile rails
12 million each.
13 million for two seater.
Training purposes.Ill give you a tip: Yak-130 is generally considered the best trainer.
My MiG-9s are a good trainer, and best of all, they even have 3 cannons as weaponery!
note: MiG-9 is World War II tech. For a more advanced trainer, look for the MiG-29UB trainer.
Im not training IN them, im training against the inferior planes. Also, 12m is a really expensive price for what i want, and i dont believe mig-9's will do for the modern needs of me.
Cheapest I can think of for you is MiG-21... F-5 doesnt cost 12 ml because MiG-29 costs 10 mil :roll:
We have 5 Mig-19's which we will sell for $5,000 each. That is a very good price.
Alright onolia, sold, but I will need alot more planes, so people make offers.
Alright onolia, sold, but I will need alot more planes, so people make offers.Klamath [xerlox] has plenty for cheap...
yes, but i have ignored klamath, for god-modding.
yes, but i have ignored klamath, for god-modding.
Oh.
That leaves Free Rumania [fik].
Send him a tgram asking for his jets, he has MiG-21's, 23's, 29's, some SU-30 and 34's, and a swarm of european aircraft.
I dont have good IC relations with fik.
We can sell you TJF-6 Gnats for [approximately $200-$250K depending on resource evaluation] in barter; you will not find a cheaper combat aircraft currently in use* by any nation whose inhabitants are human.
It is, admittedly, not a very fast, high payload, or long ranged craft, but it is cheap, robust, flexible, requires very little in the way of a landing/takeoff strip, and is extraordinarily maneuverable**. In addition, the terrifyingly loud buzzing it makes while flying can be quite intimidating.
The TJF-3 Mongoose, also very inexpensive at only [$1.5-$2M depending on resource evaluation] has proven popular among some nations as a trainer. It is similar to the F-5 Eagle, although noticably lighter and faster.
*For good reasons...
**It's subsonic, but a more maneuverable plane of that speed would be difficult to find anywhere.
OOC: As always, the precise stats are available somewhere in here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4650&start=140); the picture (by Scolo) is available here (http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/tjf6.jpg). I think $12-$14 million seems a bit steep for an F-5E being sold in 2003 (I'd think $3-5M) but that's up to you... in the 1970s, the US sold them in that cost neighborhood in 1970 dollars, and they'd be a little more out of date now. Also, I do believe Chellis needs to post here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1452699#1452699) again, if you would terribly mind? Some investigation and followup would be appreciated, thx.
i'm selling the F-18 superhornet model F for about 15,000,000 used, telegram me if interested
i'm selling the F-18 superhornet model F for about 15,000,000 used, telegram me if interested
the F/A-18 SuperHornet costs $60 mil in RL...
used to the same point as the canadian military F-18's which are falling apart
http://www.photohome.com/pictures/aircraft-pictures/fighters/hawker-sea-fury-1a.jpg
How about a Sea Fury. I have 50,000 for sale,
Price:$10,000
OOC:Please read the god dang post before you post. Things made after 1970, and dont post if someone has posted something cheaper, as in the F-5's that are 10m.
IC:Still looking...Already talked to TJ about the planes.
imported_Ell
03-09-2003, 05:19
Darn, most stuff made post 1970 costs quite a lot.
Darn, most stuff made post 1970 costs quite a lot.
The Su-27 Flanker (late 1970) costs only for about 20 million, actually.
Yes...Well, now im making Mirage F1's, selling for 4m, so im good.
Yes...Well, now im making Mirage F1's, selling for 4m, so im good.
Mirage F1 is no competitor to a Su-27 Flanker.
its not meant to be. I dont plan on using either of the inferior planes for fighting or anything where their prowess matters.
imported_Ell
03-09-2003, 06:20
Darn, most stuff made post 1970 costs quite a lot.
The Su-27 Flanker (late 1970) costs only for about 20 million, actually.
I ment quite a lot compared to the earlier models.
I dont have good IC relations with fik.
I don't think we have any at all
More than you know...
BTW, the F-15 is still a bit to costly, and the other plane is to old(post-1970).
Check out my store! I have some cheap planes in there. Like the slightly older but capable Mig-15. Only 125,000 USD per plane. OR perhaps the Mig-21?
Here is the link
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1364693#1364693
Agrigento
08-09-2003, 20:54
Just use simunitions.
The Mig-15 was used in the Korean war. The Mig-21 was used in 'Nam. The F-5 was started in the mid 50's, and I noticed he wants TRAINERS. He is not looking for combat aircraft, and shouldnt be purchasing trainers. I would recomend T-45 Goshhawks which were produced first in the 1970s. Kahta uses computer simulations to train pilots, and these cannot be destroyed, damaged, or harmed, as they do not move from the spot they are bolted to. Perhaps we can sell you 10,000 aircraft simulatiors that can be networked together with the other trainers we use. We use Virtual Reality (OOC: which does exist IRL) to train our tank crews, air crews, navy, and army, to all work together. This costs about 100,000 per unit, but pays off when you dont need to pay for the cost of new aircraft every time someone crashes it.
The Mig-15 was used in the Korean war. The Mig-21 was used in 'Nam. The F-5 was started in the mid 50's, and I noticed he wants TRAINERS. He is not looking for combat aircraft, and shouldnt be purchasing trainers. I would recomend T-45 Goshhawks which were produced first in the 1970s. Kahta uses computer simulations to train pilots, and these cannot be destroyed, damaged, or harmed, as they do not move from the spot they are bolted to. Perhaps we can sell you 10,000 aircraft simulatiors that can be networked together with the other trainers we use. We use Virtual Reality (OOC: which does exist IRL) to train our tank crews, air crews, navy, and army, to all work together. This costs about 100,000 per unit, but pays off when you dont need to pay for the cost of new aircraft every time someone crashes it.
Yes I know where they were used and I know that while they are not specificly trainers they still can be used in that role. Anyway i was just advertising. He doesnt HAVE to buy it if he doesnt want to you know.
A-10's, 10,000,000 USD each.
East Islandia
08-09-2003, 21:44
East Islandia will sell cheap ass MiG-23 fighters and several indigenous Lotus Systems International J-8 Fighters.
specs for the J-8
Speed- Mach 2.2
Engines- Two afterburning Lotus Systems International RX-4 turbofans with twelve thousand pound thrust st and ten thousand pound thrust dry
Features- can be upgraded with HUD, BVR missile attack capability (none of either on the original, J-8F1 model)
Range- 2000 km
radar options
SJ750-A3 with range of 200 km, ability to track forty targets
SJ300-A4 with range of 150 km, ability to track twenty targets (1970s vintage radar)
SJ500-A2 with range of 250 km, ability to track sixty targets
Weapons-has room for six AAMs, four ground attack missiles, and space for one free fall or laser guided bomb. Also, two machine guns are built into fuselage.
Cost-
basic J8F1....... $600,000
if you wish to customize your plane, please post a thread stating your desired options and we will calculate and produce a model for you.
I do /not/ want trainers. I /do/ want combat aircraft. Still havnt seen anything that is a real good deal, for what i want, so...
Agrigento
12-09-2003, 04:18
Just use Simunations, why blow up the whole damn plane??
Commonwealth of Brighties is offering 10 f-111s, great for low level high payload boming.
10 mil each as they've reached the end of their strategic life.
Agrigento
12-09-2003, 04:23
If your looking for OpFor training you should look into joint training projects with other nations rather than purchasing planes.
Soviet Haaregrad
12-09-2003, 04:28
I think $12-$14 million seems a bit steep for an F-5E being sold in 2003 (I'd think $3-5M) but that's up to you... in the 1970s, the US sold them in that cost neighborhood in 1970 dollars, and they'd be a little more out of date now.
Except you forget to take inflation into account. A new build F-16 costs more then the first ones off of the line did, for example. The price is still high though. I've heard $976 000 as the price for a F-5E Tiger II in 1972.
I sell an improved version of it as well as the F-20 for $9.5 million each.
Agrigento, i need real planes for classified reasons. Brighties, sorry, to high cost.
Tilsitsin is willing to sell off it's remaining 250 MiG-21s for $800,000 each.. These used to be flown by reserve units, but have now been completely replaced.
I would like 100 of those mig-21's, that would be great...i think...
I would like 100 of those mig-21's, that would be great...i think...
I would say we could ferry them to you, but we are currently involved in a major conflict. If you are willing to dispatch pilots here, they will be permitted to ferry them back to your country.
I have MiG-9 jet fighters
$20,000 a piece
Tilsitsin, we will send the pilots to come get them, they are foreign plane fliers, so they should be able to handle the planes.
About those mig-9's, read my first friggin post. I want things made in 1970 or after.
Our full range of military aircraft is shown below.
Air Vehicles
::::DAE-1 Utility::::
The Dakal Aerospace Engineering Utility-1 is a general purpose utility aircraft. It is nicknamed the "Condor."
Crew: 1 Pilot
Passengers: 9
Armament: Optional rocket pods
Maximum Speed: 275 KPH
Max Cruising Speed: 260 KPH
Cruising Speed: 250 KPH
Powerplant: 2x Alpha Turboprop Engines
Features:
*Extremely rugged design
*Easy to maintain
*Comes with a free "How to Fly and Maintain your DAE-1" Video and book with every 10 ordered. You can buy them extra for $20 for orders under 10.
*One radio with encoder thrown in
*One laptop computer with our military software suite thrown in
COST: 900,000
With Rocket Pods on each wing: 908,000
On runway:
http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/images/Islander.jpg
::::DAE-2 Attack Jet::::
NEW!
The Dakal Aerospace Engineering Attack-2 is a ground attack jet, although reasonably skillled in air-to-air combat. It is nicknamed the "Sparrow."
Crew: 1 Pilot
Armament:
6x underwing hardpoints, each capable of carrying up to a 1,500 pound bomb (and any smaller ground attack ordanence), or air-to-air missiles.
2x Side hardpoints, capable of carrying up to a Hellfire size missile, or stinger size air to air missiles
1x Underside hardpoint, capable of carrying up to a 3,000 pound bomb
Maximum Speed: 1,205 KPH
Max Cruising Speed: 1,000 KPH
Cruising Speed: 950 KPH
Powerplant: 1x Charlie Turbojet Engines
Features:
*Moderate armor- just enough, to keep the speed high
*Large warhead load
*Low-observable (Not full-blown stealth, just has a lower radar signiture than most aircraft.)
*Composite construction
*Comes with a free "How to Fly and Maintain your DAE-2" Video and book with every 10 ordered. You can buy them extra for $20 for orders under 10.
*One radio with encoder thrown in
*One laptop computer with our military software suite thrown in
COST: $45,000,000
Side view:
http://ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/kradin-t.jpg
::::DAE-3 Fighter::::
NEW!
The Dakal Aerospace Engineering Fighter-3 is a fighter jet, although reasonably skillled in ground attack. It is nicknamed the "Battlehawk."
Crew: 1 Pilot and 1 pilot, 1 gunner version available
Armament:
Air-to-air missile internal bay:
Holds four large air-to-air missiles, eight small ones.
Air-To-Ground Missile internal Bay:
Holds one large air-to-ground missiles, or two small ones.
Two 35mm Cannons
Maximum Speed: Mach 3.2
Max Cruising Speed: Mach 2.7
Cruising Speed: Mach 2
Powerplant: 2x Echo Turbojet Engines
Features:
*Heavy armor
*Stealth
*Composite construction
*Comes with a free "How to Fly and Maintain your DAE-3" Video and book with every 10 ordered. You can buy them extra for $20 for orders under 10.
*One radio with encoder thrown in
*One laptop computer with our military software suite thrown in
COST: $60,000,000 (Single Seat), $65,000,000 (Two-Seater)
Firing it's cannons:
http://ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/communicator-fighter-screen.jpg
::::DAE-10 Fighter::::
NEW!
The Dakal Aerospace Engineering Fighter-10 is a cheap version of the DAE-2, produced for export, and intended as a low-cost fighter. It is not in use with us, and it was exclusively produced for export. It is intended to be used as both a ground-attack and air superiority fighter. Perfect for new nations.
Crew: 1 Pilot
Armament:
4x underwing hardpoints, each capable of carrying up to a 1,000 pound bomb (and any smaller ground attack ordanence), or air-to-air missiles.
1x 30mm Cannon
2x Side hardpoints, capable of carrying up to a Hellfire size missile, or stinger size air to air missiles
Maximum Speed: 1,500 KPH
Max Cruising Speed: 1,200 KPH
Cruising Speed: 1000 KPH
Powerplant: 1x Charlie Turbojet Engine
Features:
*Moderate armor- just enough, to keep the speed high
*Mixed Metal/Composite construction
*Low cost, high value
COST: $17,000,000
http://ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/kradin-t.jpg
Sorry, i want real aircraft, and the first one doesnt meet what i want, which is a real combat aircraft.
I can sell you a downgraded, early prototype version of the MA-14:
http://www.freewebs.com/freedomstore/projectpage.htm
It is the plane, but I would take away all the fancy sensors and stuff, to reduce the price to...... 15,000,000 USD?
And it has still got a whacking great big nose minigun, built in rocket pods, and can decimate an armored column with one pass.
People..argh
Freedom country: its not real, nor is it the cheapest plane for me to pick on this thread yet...Did you read through the pages?
Well what about my A-10 offer?
Well, used F-15's for 15,000,000 USD?
Other than that, only A-10's
The A-10's and F-15's are too pricey for my needs.
I can sell you 2,000 Mig 21's for $1,000,000,000(or $500,000 per plane). I bought these a long time ago when I had a population of 50,000,000 and they are worthless now.
Watertest, sure. We will send the pilots Via Heaven Cargo Plane.