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TILSITSIN HELICOPTER COMPETITION (Mi-35m Selected!)

25-08-2003, 03:30
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE FOR ALL APPLICABLE COMPANIES AND/OR GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS
8-24-2003

THE TILSITSINIAN ARMED FORCES HIGH COMMAND WISHES TO ANNOUNCE A CONTRACT CONTEST FOR A NEW ATTACK HELICOPTER FOR THE TILSITSINIAN ARMY AND NAVY

1) This contract is intended to statisfy a Tilsitsinian Army and Navy requirement for a next-generation heavy multirole attack helicopter.

2) The requirement does not specify the need for the craft to already be in production. We are currently considering development proposals as well.

3) The helicopter should display the following minimum capability characteristics:

-Crew of two
-Powerplant of two turbines of suitable reliability
-Minimum 2cm size cannon armament, with no less than 1,300 rds carried
-Ability to carry no less than six 10km-range antiarmor missiles
-Ability to carry at least two torpedoes (naval version)
-Provable high survivability probability against light weapons
-Speed of 250kmh
-Minimum endurance of 3 hours
-Although not necessary, designs with the ability to carry troops or cargo will also be considered

4) All proposals should be submitted in no more than 7 (RL) days.

5) Please post proposals individually on this thread, as simple storefront links will be rejected outright.

6) Projected initial order will be for a minimum of 650 helicopters in multiple versions.

Thank you for your review of this contract contest.

Winner will be announced on this thread in 8 (RL) days.
25-08-2003, 03:54
We are currently developing an assault helicopter filling this discription. It has not been released yet, but it very close. I will telegram you with more details for sake of secracy. Most of our peoples were from the Empire of DeChristopher before it's demise, so we've learned to trust your nation. We'll get back to you if you are interested.
25-08-2003, 04:13
This is acceptable, and any information regarding your project will be kept confidential and will be considered for this competition.
Soviet Haaregrad
25-08-2003, 04:25
Would a single seat helicopter be considered?

We have several variations of the Hokum helicopter being designed, to replace our Hinds as "flying infantry fighting vehicles" and also a varient of the Hokum single seat attack helicopter as our primary attack helicopter.
25-08-2003, 04:34
Would a single seat helicopter be considered?

We have several variations of the Hokum helicopter being designed, to replace our Hinds as "flying infantry fighting vehicles" and also a varient of the Hokum single seat attack helicopter as our primary attack helicopter.

It is a possibility, however our analysts seem to agree that the two-crew configuration is preferred for workload and efficiency. An exception will be made if the other minimum requirements are met satisfactorily.
United Elias
25-08-2003, 09:43
The Elias Aerospace Corporation is proud to offer the EA-24 series of helicopters, probably the most succesful export helicopter in NDS hisrtory.There are many different Variants listed below. All have fly by wire technology advanced avionics and twin engines to offer maximum power and reliability. All prices are in US dollars. Since December 12 when it was first unveiled the hundreds of these helicopters have been in service with many nations of the world providing invaluable service.

The helicopters basic airfrme is extremely flexible and can be used for many different rolses.

Features (All versions)

The rugged modular structure incorporates crashworthy and damage-tolerant features, including a five-blade main rotor, four-blade teetering rotor and main lift frame, which includes multiple primary and secondary load paths. The fuselage is mainly of aluminium-lithium construction. The aerodynamic rotor blades are constructed from carbon/glass with nomex honeycomb and rohacell foam. Active vibration control of the structural response uses a vibration-cancelling technique.

The helicopter operates in temperatures ranging from -20 to +50 degrees C. An ice protection system allows operation in known icing conditions. An engine inlet particle separator system provides protection in sandy environments. High flotation tyres and efficient landing gear permit operation from soft or rough terrain.

The cockpit is equipped with armoured crew seats able to withstand an impact velocity of 35ft per second. Dual flight controls are provided for the pilot and copilot, but the helicopter is capable of being flown by a single pilot. The electronic instrument system includes six high-definition, full-colour displays, together with a digital map mission display. All military models have a forward looking Infrared system display and thermal imagers.

All helicopter versions can be upgraded with a full protection suite of Electronic counter measures, chaff/flare dispensers and armor plating in cockpit and passenger compartment. $100,000 (standard on some versions)

Specifications applicable to all versions:

Powerplants: 2 EPE-12 turboshafts producing 2400 shp each and driving a five bladed main rotor and four bladed tail rotor.

Performance:

Cruising speed: 165 knots.
Max Speed: 184 knots
Max Range: 1,400 nautical Miles (can be increased by 400nm with external tanks.)

Versions:

-EA-24A Standard Utility, 9.5 million .
Crew: 2 Pilots, Capacity: 18, Armament: None

-EA-24B VIP transport version. 10.4 million
Crew: 2 pilots, Capacity: 12 in executive comfort, Armament: none

-EA-24C Military utility Version/troop transport. 10 million
Crew: 2 Pilots + 1 or 2 gunners. Capacity: 20 Armament: Armament 2x 7.62mm door mounted miniguns. Features: Armor plated cockpit

-EA-24F Search and Rescue Version 10 million EDs
Crew: 2 Pilots + 1 to 4 rescue swimmers/winch operators, Capacity: 8 Features: Spotlight, rescue winch, increased ferry range to 1,600 miles.

-EA-24G Special Forces Helicopter. 11 million
Crew: 2 Pilots + 1 or 2 gunners, Capacity 18, Armament 2x 7.62mm door mounted miniguns, Features: full countermeasures suite including chaff/flare dispensers, armor plating, sound dampening, night operation sensors, rear loading ramp, and IR protective coating. This model can also be equipped with unguided rocket pods.

-EA-24H Naval Helicopter. 12 Million
Crew: 2 pilots + 2 Systems operators, Capacity: 12, Armament 4x Torpedoes/ light anti-ship missiles (such as Penguin), Features: Full countermeasures suite including chaff/flare dispensers, night operations and all weather sensors, dipping sonar, Blue Kestral Early Warning/surface search radar, sonarbuoy dispensers, dipping sonar and IR protective coating.

Note: Miniguns are mentioned but these can be replaced with .50 cal Machine guns or any other pintle mounted gun of similar size.

Pictures:

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From top to bottom: EA-24B, EA-24C, EA-24G, EA-24F

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EA-24A Civilan Version.

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EA-24H naval Version

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EA-24H Naval Version

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EA-24C Military utility version.

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United Elias Air Force EA-24Cs
Patrua
25-08-2003, 14:15
It is hard to compete with such a formidable helicopter as the EA-24. Luckily, there still is the notorious and well-proven Tomahawk Transport & Assault Helicopter. This bird has deserved its wings in the Kaduiri and Legionistan conflicts where they were and still are employed to perform a variety of roles (attack, escort, troop transport, cargo transport, aerial support gunship, seach and rescue (both land and sea), reconaissance and surveillance).

Compared to your demands:

-Crew of two

It can fully operate with a crew of two (pilot, copilot), but recommended is at least three (an extra gunner in the crew compartment). Four is the full complement (two gunners, pilot, copilot).

-Powerplant of two turbines of suitable reliability

The Tomahawk has three:
2 UH-8N twin turboshaft forward engines
1 UH-6N heat/noise reduction turboshaft aft engine

There's also an extra pivoting/stabilizing tail rotor.

-Minimum 2cm size cannon armament, with no less than 1,300 rds carried

The Tomahawk has a Vulcan six-barreled 20 mm cannon in a tactical armament turret (turns 300°) that includes apart from the cannon:

-weather radar
-FLIR
-RWR
-SATCOM
-fire control
-night targeting and sensoring equipment

-Ability to carry no less than six 10km-range antiarmor missiles

The Tomahawk has six attachment pods for any sort of missile at both sides. These could be equipped with six anti-armor missiles.

-Ability to carry at least two torpedoes (naval version)

Apart from the six missile pods, there are two systems at the bottom of the craft's front flanks usually containing heavy missiles or bombs, but they can easily be fitted with a torpedo.

-Provable high survivability probability against light weapons

A built in redundancy system and heavy armor at the flanks should suffice to withstand any light arms fire. The flanks are open, however possibly exposing those inside. When empty, it's the best armor one can imagine as bullets will exit the other way not hitting anything.
The engines are protected by a layered composite bullet-proof engine cover. The front window shields are capable of deflecting light projectiles or even bullets. Its SUU-4/1 Flare dispensers protect it from heat-seeking missiles.

-Speed of 250kmh

Depends on environmental conditions and payload. But in clear weather conditions and carrying a payload of 7 tons, approx. 160 mph. (257,5 kmh).

-Minimum endurance of 3 hours

The flight time of a Tomahawk in clear weather conditions and carrying a payload of 7 tons is approx. 2 hours, 3 if extra fuel tank is added.

-Although not necessary, designs with the ability to carry troops or cargo will also be considered

That's where the Tomahawk really scores.
The crew/cargo compartment of the Tomahawk can hold 28 fully packed soldiers. In emergencies they can carry up to 35/36 men but that's not recommended as they could fall out of the side doors. The compartment has a folding rear loading ramp to facilitate quick deployment or loading/unloading tasks. There's an electrically-operated winch to carry (additional) heavy cargo or for rescue operations.

More features you might want to know about:

-Two 50.cal machine guns with laser-enhanced Night Vision System on both sides of the crew/cargo compartment.

-A ceiling of approx. 9,000 ft and a radius of approx. 320 miles in clear weather conditions and carrying a payload of 7 tons.

-Vertical stabilisor fins allow smoother control.

Forgive us our inability to provide a direct image (because the pictures are on a geocities site), but this link will give you three pictures of the Tomahawk Transport & Assault Helicopter (http://www.geocities.com/nijntjelovesmarsupilami).


Centre for Scientific Strategic Development,
Imperial Armed Forces of Patrua
25-08-2003, 14:18
WHo cares about small size when you can gobble up AAA fire?

The Bisonic Defense Initiatives Agency (BDIA) has annonced the development of a deep modernizaiton of the Mi-24 known as the Mi-35M. In addition to swallowing point bank hits from 37mm AA guns (OOC: the Mi-24 did that), the Mi-35M is capable of carrying bombs, rocket pods, ATGM's, and 8 troops. Alternately the firing ports can be usd by helicopter-borne machine gunners.

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Such attention is given worldwide to the modernization of flying machines since it enables the developers to obtain their updated characteristics at minimum financial costs. The first qualification flight of the Mi-35M helicopter has been made at the Mil Helicopter Plant's flight-test base near Belgorod under the state-run test program.

Today, about 1,000 helicopters, developed on the basis of the Mi-24, are in service with the Bisonic army aviation.

Modernization of the Mi-35 machine is highly topical taking into account the remaining service life margin and technical condition of helicopters being in service with foreign countries, Dark Terror, as well as numerous inquiries from potential customers of modernized versions of the Mi-35 and its current users.

The main goals of modernization of the existing helicopters are the following:

- considerable prolongation of life cycle;

- improvement of performance characteristics;

- enhancement of combat effectiveness;

- provision for day-and-night combat employment;

- increase of maintainability.

These goals can be attained through the use of a number of modernization packages:

1. Prolongation of a calendar and estimated service life of the airframe, system units and equipment.

2. Decrease in empty weight of the helicopter and increase in the reliability and invulnerability of its systems to combat damage owing to retrofitting of its fuselage and mechanical systems.

3. Increase in the combat effectiveness of the armament system, which involves an introduction of the following weapons into armament suit:

- Ataka and Ataka-M antitank guided missiles of increased effectiveness;

- unguided aircraft rockets.

4. Ensuring of day-and-night employment of the helicopter by providing the crew with the night-vision goggles and adaptation of the cabin illumination, while providing the helicopter with a surveillance and fire-control station.

5. Modernization of the helicopter rotor system, increase of its aerodynamic effectiveness and decrease of its weight by using the main and tail rotors developed for the Mi-28 helicopter. This leads to a decrease of its weight by 300 kg and an increase of the main rotor effective thrust by 300 kgf.

6. The further increase in the combat effectiveness of the armament system and equipping the helicopter with the new communications facilities:

- introduction of the Igla-V air-to-air heat-homing missile system;

- replacement of obsolete analog computers by a heliborne unified BVK-24 computer system capable of solving air navigation problems;

- replacement of obsolete radio communications equipment.

7. Provision for day-and-night combat employment of all heliborne weapons via replacement of the Raduga-Sh day-vision guidance device by the gyro-stabilized surveillance and fire-control station. With due account for variations in customer requirements, the Rostvertol offers several modernization variants.

One of the most promising variants involves the modernization to be performed during the helicopter major repair. This variant covers the following four modernization packages:

1. Modernization of the airframe, including:

- installation of nonretractable landing gear that ensures saving in weight and increases the low-altitude flight safety and a crew protection degree in emergency landing;

- retrofitting of the wing to decrease its weight, installation of launching frames with an increased ammunition load, and an increase in technological effectiveness of loading the helicopter with ammunition.

2. Modernization of the armament system:

- provision for employment of S-13 rockets in the 130mm rocket pod (B-13L1);

- equipping the helicopter with the Shturm-VM (9K113M) guided missile system.

3. Modernization of the helicopter rotor system and dismantling of the secondary hydraulic system that leads to savings in weight, enhancement of airfield performance, and an increase in invulnerability of the helicopter to combat damage.

4. Equipping the helicopter with night vision systems:

- NVIS-compatible illumination of instrument equipment in the crew cabins and adaptation of lighting equipment for night vision goggles to ensure safe takeoff/landing at night and under limited-visibility conditions and flying of the helicopter at extremely low altitudes near the ground surface at night and under limited-visibility conditions at low flight speeds;

- installation of the surveillance and fire-control station furnished with infrared, TV and laser channels to ensure target detection and identification at long ranges at night; leading out of the helicopter onto a target and a combat run at night and under limited-visibility conditions; employment of unguided rockets at night and under limited-visibility conditions; performing search operations and ground surveillance at night and under limited-visibility conditions, as well as in the daytime under conditions of artificial or natural shadowing of objects.

A Mi-35M costs $12.5 mil, $10 mil for TGP or NCA members. COnversion from Mi-24 costs $3 mil.



Transports troops and is heavier than apache.... all in one helicopter!
25-08-2003, 14:20
AH-11
http://www.cwat.ch/cwat2001/images/produkte-wehrtechnik-rooivalk-seite-2.jpg
Heavy Attack Helicopter which has durability equivalent to the Mi-24 and attack capabilities of a Mi-28
Missions:
Anti-armour
Ground Suppression
Anti-helicopter
Ferry, Reconnaissance, Counter-insurgency
Armament:
16 ATGM's or AAM's
40 Unguided 82mm rockets
4 torpedos
1 30mm chain gun
Sighting System:
Dual Helmet-Mounted Sight and Display, HMSD
Stabilised nose-mounted sight with FLIR, TV; laser rangefinder; laser designator; autotracking
Power plant:
2 1600hp turboshafts
Maximum speed:
155mph
Fast cruise speed:
120mph
Maximum range internal fuel:
700 km
Maximum range external fuel:
1,260 km
Countermeasures:
Immune to most cannon fire
Flares
Chaff
IR missile blinders
Cost: 14,000,000
25-08-2003, 23:25
Listed below are the current entrants for the Tilsitsinian Attack Helicopter Acquisition contest:

-Sanchezium's Helicopter (In development, not yet designated)
-Soviet Haaregrad's "Hokum"
-Patrua's "Tomahawk"
-BDIA's Mi-35M
-Free Rumania's AH-11

Unfortunately, the United Elias EA-24 series helicopter has been dropped from the competition outright, as it is unsuitable for what this design contest requires. (Minimum arms requirements not met) This is unfortunate, as many in the Tilsitsinian defense establishment were looking forward to the UE entry. We do thank you however for the fine submission to this contest.

We thank all companies for their submissions thus far, and encourage other countries or companies to post their entry as soon as possible.
United Elias
26-08-2003, 00:20
Following a conference by senior Elias Aerospace Executives and Engineers the company have decided, due to the importance in securing an order of this size, to modify the EA-24 helicopter to match the design requirements. Two EA-22Gs will be used as prototypes and it is the opinion of most designers that the only reason such features have not been fitted in the past is ony due to a lack of requiremnt by the Elias Air Force. It is possible that the new variant may even be exported to ther nations beside Tiltsitsin if the bis is succesful.

Elias Aerospce Corporation.

(I will post a tommorrow about the new design.)
27-08-2003, 02:04
Following a conference by senior Elias Aerospace Executives and Engineers the company have decided, due to the importance in securing an order of this size, to modify the EA-24 helicopter to match the design requirements. Two EA-22Gs will be used as prototypes and it is the opinion of most designers that the only reason such features have not been fitted in the past is ony due to a lack of requiremnt by the Elias Air Force. It is possible that the new variant may even be exported to ther nations beside Tiltsitsin if the bis is succesful.

Elias Aerospce Corporation.

(I will post a tommorrow about the new design.)

This is good news indeed, and the EA-22 will now enter official consideration.

Also, exact production schedules will be released shortly concerning what we expect going into phase two of the competition after the open submission period ends, in order to provide more precise information for entrants.

Time still remains for any companies to submit their machines for this competition.
Agrigento
27-08-2003, 02:06
Availabe for Purchase Here: (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54533)

A129 International Multi-role Combat Helicopter

Due to a large surplus of such craft and the estimated revenue of the sale of these highly capable helicopters we have decided to sell a limited number of A129 International multi-role combat helicopters.

Summary
The helicopter is the latest variant of the A129 Mangusta (Mongoose). The A129 International is a multi-role helicopter for armed reconnaissance and surveillance, high-value ground-target engagement, escort, fire support, and air-threat suppression. It is armed with new powerful air-to-ground and air-to-air missiles, an off-axis cannon, and an increased weapon payload. The five-bladed A129 International also has more powerful engines than the four-bladed Mangusta.

The A129 is able to self-deploy over 1,000km, using external fuel tanks while carrying four air-to-air missiles for self-protection. The helicopter is air transportable by C-130 and larger transport aircraft.

The Helicopter is idealy suited for Nape of the Earth Flying. It also has a very small radar signature due to its stealthy design.
Design
The structure of the helicopter is a semi-monocoque design with an aluminium alloy frame. Composite materials make up almost 50% of the fuselage weight. The airframe provides ballistic protection against 12.7mm armour piercing rounds. The engines are armour protected. The main rotor has ballistic tolerance against 12.7mm rounds.

Cockpit
The pilot and gunner cockpits are in a stepped tandem configuration. Both cockpits are equipped with multifunction displays, which present information from the integrated management system and provide a synthetic waypoint map, navigation data, weapon status, weapon selection, communications and aircraft/flight data. The displays are equipped with multifunction keyboards.

The helicopter is equipped with an automatic flight control system, which provides nap-of-the-earth flight capability and the level of stability for precise weapon aiming. A Tactical Navigation Display enhances mission management and situational awareness

Weapons
The A129 International helicopter can be armed with Raytheon Stinger or MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) Mistral air-to-air missiles. Italian Army A129’s are equipped with Stinger. The helicopter has dual air-to-ground missile capability with the Lockheed Martin Hellfire or Raytheon TOW 2 missile or a mix of both, giving the gunner selective fire against low- and high-value targets, and the capability of precise hits in urban environments. The Mangusta is fitted with the HeliTOW system for the TOW2A missile.

The A129 International also has dual rocket system capability, deploying 70mm rockets for ammunition commonality with NATO countries and 81mm rockets for longer-range engagements. The Mangusta can carry four 81mm rocket launchers. A 20mm three-barrel Gatling-type turreted cannon with 500 rounds of ammunition is mounted under the nose.

Engines
The A129 International helicopter has a fireproof engine compartment with two low-noise LHTEC-T800 turboshaft engines. The engines are separated, and there are two separate fuel systems with cross-feed capability. The crash-resistant tanks are self-sealing and fitted with self-sealing lines and a digital fuel feed controller. The thermal signature is minimised by the installation of an infrared exhaust suppression system.

Dimensions
Overall length with both rotors turning 14.29 m
Height to top of rotor 3.35 m
Diameter main rotor 11.90 m
Fuselage length 12.50 m
Maximum mission gross weight 5,000 kg
Weapon capability
Hellfire or TOW 2 missiles 8
70 mm rockets 76
81 mm rockets 38
20 mm ammunition rounds 1,500
Air to air (Stinger or Mistral) 4/8
Observation and targeting sensors
2nd generation forward looking infrared (83 x mag)
CCD TV (1 26 x mag)
Laser range finder and designator
Automatic target tracker
Video recorder
Powerplant
Two turboshaft engines LHTEC-T800
Take off power 1335 shp each (996 kW each)
Intermediate power 1240 shp each (925 kW each )
One engine inoperative (OEI) contingency 1404 shp (1 045 kW)
Performance (Maximum Mission Gross Weight of 5000 kg and at International Standard Atmosphere (ISA)
Hover In Ground Effect 13800 ft (4200 m)
Hover Out Ground Effect 10800 ft (3290 m)
Maximum Cruise Speed 150 kts (278 kph)
Vertical Rate of Climb 1070 ft/min (5.4 m/s)
Maximum Rate of Climb 2220 ft/min (11 .3 m/s)
Maximum Range, internal fuel, no reserve 303 nm (561 km)
OEI Max Rate of Climb 900 ft/min (4.6 m/s)

Cost = $13 Million USD
Certain deals are available if you negotiate with me first.

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27-08-2003, 02:10
Availabe for Purchase Here: (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54533)

A129 International Multi-role Combat Helicopter

Due to a large surplus of such craft and the estimated revenue of the sale of these highly capable helicopters we have decided to sell a limited number of A129 International multi-role combat helicopters.

The Agrigento A129 has officially entered consideration.
27-08-2003, 02:18
Looks like mine is the cheapest because it's a Hind with some new systems- that's not a bad thing because it's a flying steel bathtub immune to most AA fire.
Soviet Haaregrad
27-08-2003, 02:34
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-50.htm

There is information on the Hokum. We are working on a in-line two seater for export and a troop carrying side-by-side version for use as a "flying infantry fighting vehicle".

AH-68A Longbow Werewolf(Hokum)

Primary Function: Close Support/Anti Armor Helicopter
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 2x TS3-117VK turboshaft 2 250 shp
Length(rotors turning): 16 meters
Height: 4.93 meters
Rotor Diameter: 14.5 meters
Ceiling: 5 500 meters
Speed: 340 km/h
Ferry Range: 500 km
Empty Weight: 7 692 kg
Maximum Takeoff Weight: Maximum Gross: 10 800 kg
Armament:
1x 2A42 30-mm cannon [250 HE-Frag + 250 AP]
2 - AT-16 VIKhR ATGM (6 each)
2 - 80-mm rockets (20 each)
2 - Twin 23-mm gun pods [940 rounds]
4 - 500 kg bombs
8 - 250 kg bombs
2 - AA-11 ARCHER AAM
External fuel tanks (500 liters)
Unit cost: Negotiable on order, $10 000 000USD is typical
Crew: 1, 2 for B and C models
Notes:
-uses a licenced radar system derivied from the Longbow Apache
-uses two 3 blade contra-rotating rotars, freeing the tail from a tail rotar
-features IR supressors on the engines
-offered in single seat, twin seat side by side and twin seat inline versions
27-08-2003, 02:37
Listed below are the current entrants for the Tilsitsinian Attack Helicopter Acquisition contest:

-Sanchezium's Helicopter (In development, not yet designated)
-Soviet Haaregrad's "AH-68A Hokum"
-Patrua's "Tomahawk"
-BDIA's Mi-35M
-Free Rumania's AH-11
-Agrigento's A129
-United Elias' EA-22

We thank all companies for their submissions thus far, and encourage other countries or companies to post their entry as soon as possible.
27-08-2003, 02:58
a troop carrying side-by-side version for use as a "flying infantry fighting vehicle".
Mi-40?
Soviet Haaregrad
27-08-2003, 03:06
a troop carrying side-by-side version for use as a "flying infantry fighting vehicle".
Mi-40?

Same concept, except that's based on the Mi 28, not the Ka 50/52.
27-08-2003, 13:29
Mi-40 was based on Mi-28.


I use Mi-35M's in both roles, though Ka-60's are for export.

Also, Mi-35M can carry a full 32 ATGM's, or 8 rocket pods, or Igla-V AAM's (YOu can add Air To Air Stinger if necessary). Not to mention the 8 troops in the back.
Rioki
27-08-2003, 14:18
Why don't you guys/girls develope your own choppers instead of taking pictures off the net ect. and selling them? I personally don't have a scanner and thus don't have that luxury but those of you who do... :? :roll:
Agrigento
27-08-2003, 21:15
Why don't you guys/girls develope your own choppers instead of taking pictures off the net ect. and selling them? I personally don't have a scanner and thus don't have that luxury but those of you who do... :? :roll:

A) No scanner
B) No artistic talent whatsoever
C) No Paint or Adobe program powerful enough to make any suitable imagine in.
Agnosticium
27-08-2003, 22:59
AMH-1 Crusader Attack Helicopter
The AMH-1 Crusader fills the role of armored attack helicopter exceptionally well, able to absorb rounds of up to 25mm in size and still bear it's crew home safely. Designed as a shock-tactic helicopter, the layout is reminescent of a hammerhead shark, with the advanced radar and detection systms in a substantially armored front swiveling "hammer". The purpose of this swivel is for the Hunterer-III ground-scan radar to provide the pilot and weapons officer with accurate and constant 3-D battlefield imaging in a 270 degree arc around the helicopter. The rear 90 degrees is covered by a Backdrop-I rear scan radar mounted in the tail rotor assembly. The Ocelot-I air-to-air radar provides the pilot with accurate navigation data and airborne information to increase his situational awareness. The detection suite is located within the blades of the main rotor and allow for a seamless 3-d image of airspace within a 35 mile radius of the helicopter.

The Crusader varies from most helicopters by having the tail rotor encased within the framework of the tail. By using variable angled blades, the Crusader is more agile than every other helicopter save the US Comanche. Like the Comanche, however, the Crusader has full lateral movement and can, thus, move at almost 100mph side to side. This tail configuration also enables barrell rolls and split-s maneuvers usually reserved for fixed-wing aircraft. The wings of the Crusader are heavily laden with munitions and there are five common configurations: Anti-armor, Anti-personnel, Recon, Escort and Anti-facility.

Specifications
Length: 58.17ft (17.73m)
Width: 8ft (2.11m)
Height: 13ft (3.96m)
Wingspan: 18ft (5.49m)
Weight: 10,527lb (4785kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 18,000lb (8,181.8kg)
Propulsion: Two AE 3371 Corvus turbofans
Hover In-Ground Effect:
14,650 ft (4465 m)
[Standard Day]
13,350 ft (4068 m)
[Hot Day ISA + 15 C
Hover Out-of-Ground Effect:
10,520 ft (3206 m)
[Standard Day]
9,050 ft (2759 m)
[Hot Day ISA + 15 C]
Vertical Rate of Climb:
2,221fpm (677mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
2,167fpm (661mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Maximum Rate of Climb:
3,823fpm (1166mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
3,542fpm (1080mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Maximum Level Flight Speed:
235mph (376kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
215mph (344kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Cruise SPeed:
185mph (296 kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
175mph (280 kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Range
390mi / 650km - internal fuel
1500mi / 2,500km - internal and external fuel
Armament:
Anti-personnel:
-1x Nose-mounted 25mm Reaper 6-barrelled rotary cannon (4,300rpm) HE frag rounds
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-2x AM-102 Firefly Rocket Pods (3.25in HE rockets) with 16 rockets each
-4x AM-17 Savage Anti-Personnel Missile
Anti-Armor
-1x Nose-mounted 25mm Reaper 6-barrelled rotary cannon (4,300rpm) heavyweight AP rounds
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-8x AM-16 Scream
-6x AM-22 Stalker I, II or III
Anti-Facility
-1x Nose-mounted 25mm Reaper 6-barrelled rotary cannon (4,300rpm) heavyweight AP rounds
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-12x AM-2 Stalker IV
Escort
-1x Nose-mounted 25mm Reaper 6-barrelled rotary cannon (4,300rpm) HE frag rounds
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-2x AM-102 Firefly Rocket Pods (3.25in HE rockets) with 16 rockets each
-4x AM-16 Scream
-4x AM-22 Stalker I, II or III
-4x AM-22 Stalker IV
Recon
1x Nose-Mounted 25mm Reaper 6-barrelled rotary cannon (4,300rpm) HE frag rounds
-2x AM-6 Sandman
-2x AM-102 Firefly Rocket Pods (3.25in HE rockets) with 16 rockets each
-2x AM-102 Firefly Rocket Pods (3.25in WP rockets) with 16 rockets each
-8x AM-22 Stalker II

Unit Cost: 22 million dollars or equivalent
28-08-2003, 01:49
Listed below are the current entrants for the Tilsitsinian Attack Helicopter Acquisition contest:

-Sanchezium's Helicopter (In development, not yet designated)
-Soviet Haaregrad's "AH-68A Hokum"
-Patrua's "Tomahawk"
-BDIA's Mi-35M
-Free Rumania's AH-11
-Agrigento's A129
-United Elias' EA-22
-Agnosticium's AMH-1 Crusader
Copiosa Scotia
28-08-2003, 01:56
You should consider a tilt-rotor aircraft instead of a helicopter.
28-08-2003, 01:58
Because its easier to destroy?
Soviet Haaregrad
28-08-2003, 03:20
Because its easier to destroy?

Well, that and the high maintanence costs associated with the design.
28-08-2003, 16:13
You should consider a tilt-rotor aircraft instead of a helicopter.

Tilsitsin already has the LGR Defense (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36683&highlight=) manufactured Li-60/A-1, but the design has not been a commercial succcess and has not seen widespread use by the Tilsitsinian armed forces. LGR officials plan to terminate manufacture of the machine within the next (NS) year. Most high-level military officials (within the Tilsitsinian military) see tilt rotor craft as overly expensive toys not truly suitable for military service.
Agnosticium
28-08-2003, 20:48
AMH-2 Valkyrie Multi-purpose Helicopter

The AMH-2 was designed with the intent of providing the military with a multi-purpose platform adaptable to any situation where rotary-wing aircraft are required. Based around the concept of a medium chassis capable of transporting up to twelve troops, the Valkyrie has a large twin-turbine propulsion system capable of propelling the craft to 193 mph. The tail rotor is contained within the framework of the tail itself, much like the Crusader, which enables exceptional lateral mobility and faster pivots as well as barrel rolls in either direction.

The cockpit is made of ultra-tempered glass, inlaid with transparent composites to prevent shattering. The high-tensile fibers allow the transparent surface to absorb the blast of an RPG-7 direct hit with only severe spider-webbing. This allows the pilot time enough to settle the aircraft and either withdraw or to use the All-Seeing-Eye 3-D observation system to continue the mission. The surface has been tested and will remain intact, although no longer transparent up to 12 direct hits with an RPG-7. Unfortunately, upon impact of the final round, the surface will shatter violently and potentially cause serious injury.

The Valkyrie is most commonly used as a troop transport and is exceptional in this quality. Able to deliver a full squad of troops wherever needed with supporting fire as they disembark make this aircraft an air-assault essential. Descent cables can either be affixed to the upper edge of the troop doors or above each seat. The unique TEC(Troop Evacuation and Cable) system allows the floors beneath the troops seats to hinge, staggering the release of personnel for safe and expedient debarkation of the helicopter. If configured for gunship missions, the Valkyrie can support up to four wing surfaces, two on the upper fuselage and two along the lower fuselage. The upper wing surface can support substantially more weapons than the lower but is also able to support external fuel tanks. If the upper wing surface does not have weapons on it, mini-guns may be mounted in the crew chief positions.

Specifications
Length: 75.22ft (22.9m)
Width: 11ft (2.35m)
Height: 15ft (4.57m)
Wingspan: 25ft (7.62m)
Weight: 13,527lb (6148.6kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 19,740lb (8,972.7kg)
Propulsion: Two AE 3377 Darius turbofans
Hover In-Ground Effect:
14,650 ft (4465 m)
[Standard Day]
13,350 ft (4068 m)
[Hot Day ISA + 15 C]
Hover Out-of-Ground Effect:
10,520 ft (3206 m)
[Standard Day]
9,050 ft (2759 m)
[Hot Day ISA + 15 C]
Vertical Rate of Climb:
2,221fpm (677mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
2,167fpm (661mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Maximum Rate of Climb:
3,823fpm (1166mpm)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
3,542fpm (1080mpm)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Maximum Level Flight Speed:
196mph (313.6kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
196mph (313.6kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Cruise Speed:
175mph (280 kph)
[Sea Level Standard Day]
175mph (280 kph)
[Hot Day 2000 ft 70 F (21 C)]
Range
390mi / 650km - internal fuel
1500mi / 2,500km - internal and external fuel
Armament:
Troop Transport
-2x AMR-90 Bushmaster 7.62mm minigun
-2x AM-6 Sandman (hull mounted)
Anti-personnel
-2x AMR-90 Bushmaster 7.62mm minigun
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-2x AM-102 Firefly Rocket Pods (3.25in HE rockets) with 16 rockets each
-12x AM-17 Savage Anti-Personnel Missile
Anti-Armor
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-8x AM-16 Scream
-4x AM-22 Stalker I, II or III
Anti-Facility
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-20x AM-22 Stalker IV
Escort
-4x AM-6 Sandman
-2x AM-102 Firefly Rocket Pods (3.25in HE rockets) with 16 rockets each
-4x AM-16 Scream
-4x AM-22 Stalker I, II or III
-4x AM-22 Stalker IV
Recon
-2x AMR-90 Bushmaster 7.62mm minigun
-2x AM-6 Sandman
-2x AM-102 Firefly Rocket Pods (3.25in WP rockets) with 16 rockets each
-4x AM-22 Stalker II

Unit Cost: 25 million dollars or equivalent
29-08-2003, 22:58
Listed below are the current entrants for the Tilsitsinian Attack Helicopter Acquisition contest:

-Sanchezium's Helicopter (In development, not yet designated)
-Soviet Haaregrad's "AH-68A Hokum"
-Patrua's "Tomahawk"
-BDIA's Mi-35M
-Free Rumania's AH-11
-Agrigento's A129
-United Elias' EA-22
-Agnosticium's AMH-1 Crusader
-Agnosticium's AMH-2 Valkyrie
29-08-2003, 22:59
As of now, further entries into this contest are not permitted, and only those listed in the previous post will now be considered.
30-08-2003, 02:24
We are currently developing an assault helicopter filling this discription. It has not been released yet, but it very close. I will telegram you with more details for sake of secracy. Most of our peoples were from the Empire of DeChristopher before it's demise, so we've learned to trust your nation. We'll get back to you if you are interested.

Sanchezium, we are still awaiting initial specs for comparison against your competitors.. Lack of specs soon will result in disqualification from this contest.
30-08-2003, 02:36
Airframes that have been advanced to the 2nd phase of acquisition trials will be announced shortly..
30-08-2003, 21:43
The Tilsitsinian Advanced Multipurpose Helicopter Acquisition Board wishes to announce that the following helicopters have been selected for Phase II of this production contract competition:

-BDIA's Mi-35M
-Agrigento's A129
-United Elias' EA-22
-Agnosticium's AMH-2 Valkyrie

*At this point, companies/nations listed above must ship to Tilsitsin at least 3 machines for evaluation purposes. From these four different competitor aircraft, and based on the results of testing, The TAMHAB will select the winner of the competition and submit a manufacturing contract.

-Failure to provide at least 3 machines per competitor for testing will result in automatic disqualification.

-Test machines should be sent within 2(RL) days.

TAMHAB
Agnosticium
31-08-2003, 13:32
We will, in fact, send one of each variant and then an additional Valkyrie so that you may experiment with the changing of the configurations yourselves. Please note that where the weapons on each bird is concerned, the weapons listed are simply OUR types of weapons. I will list the equivalents below:

AM-22 Stalker - Longer range and higher power warhead than the AGM - 65 Maverick

AM-6 Sandman - Short Range AirIntercept Missile, simliar to the ASRAAM but with a slightly longer range

AM-17 Savage - No equivalent weapon found, it is a fuel-air explosive munition with bromine pentafluoride used as the dispered agent. This weapon reacts locally to hydrous and biological material, creating a significant explosion and substantial injury within 1 meter of all affected personnel. Same range as the AM-22 Stalker. Excellent for killing troops but not their vehicles or equipment.

AM-16 Scream - Equivalent to the US Hellfire with greater range. Both man-portable and vehicle-mounted.
31-08-2003, 19:30
3 Mi-35M's are being sent.
Have fun, 2 of these can destroy an entire tank battalion.
31-08-2003, 21:02
Is it too late too enter?

If not:

MAH-1 Attack Helicopter:

http://www.military.cz/international/air/eurocopter/tiger_uht_inf.jpg
http://www.military.cz/international/air/eurocopter/tiger_uhtfront.jpg

Primary function: Attack helicopter
Contractor: Freedom Country
Powerplant: Two MTU/Rolls-Royce/Turbomeca MTR 390 turboshafts
Thrust: 2x 1,285 HP 2x 958 kW
Length: 45.9 ft 14.00 m
Height: 12.5 ft 3.81 m
Rotor area: 1428 sq ft 132.7 sq m
Rotor diameter: 42.65 ft 13.00 m
Weight empty: 7,275 lb 3,300 kg
max.: 12,790 lb 5.800 kg
Speed max.: 200 mph 324 km/h
cruising: 168 mph 270 km/h
Ceiling: 13,000 ft 4,000 m
Range: max. 373 mi or 2 hrs 50 min 600 km
Armament: Universal Gantries
Crew :Two (pilot and weapons operator)

COST: 15,000,000 USD
31-08-2003, 21:03
Yes, too late to enter.
31-08-2003, 21:04
Eh, yours is just some crappy Mi-24 lookalike with bigger guns.
31-08-2003, 21:07
Eh, yours is just some crappy Mi-24 lookalike with bigger guns.
MI-24 itself is still a very good helo, with slight upgrades it can carry 24 ATGM's.

It's a very deep modernization of the Mi-24, it can kill anything in sight, and 2 can kill a tank battalion.
31-08-2003, 21:09
See what I mean......

Mi-24 lookalike with bigger guns......

THIS GODDAMN THING CAN CARRY AMRAAM's
31-08-2003, 21:11
See what I mean......

Mi-24 lookalike with bigger guns......

THIS GODDAMN THING CAN CARRY AMRAAM's
Pointless? You need a bigger radar for it which is a waste of room.
31-08-2003, 21:47
We are still awaiting the following test machines:

-Agrigento's A129
-United Elias' EA-22

Failure to submit these machines for testing in the next (RL) 24hrs will result in disqualification.
31-08-2003, 21:48
We are still awaiting the following test machines:

-Agrigento's A129
-United Elias' EA-22

Failure to submit these machines for testing in the next (RL) 24hrs will result in disqualification.
OOC:
They might not be on, but hey the less competition the better! :D
31-08-2003, 21:50
Can I get in????
31-08-2003, 22:11
Can I get in????

Unfortunately, no. Information on this competition has been posted for some time, and we do thank you for your interest.
31-08-2003, 22:12
Damn.....
31-08-2003, 22:14
Damn..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
31-08-2003, 22:30
Damn.....

Sorry, but this is a very serious competition for us.. The actual contract will probably involve production of about 700 airframes, in addition to contracts for license building further models and modifications.
Agrigento
01-09-2003, 03:04
3 A129 International Multirole Helicopters and
2 A129N Naval models (Difference being increased engine size and torpedo launch capable hardpoints.) are being sent for testing.
01-09-2003, 03:21
3 A129 International Multirole Helicopters and
2 A129N Naval models (Difference being increased engine size and torpedo launch capable hardpoints.) are being sent for testing.

Thank you for the airframes!
01-09-2003, 03:40
Aww crap I have a heli that was perfect! bah too late! oh well if you want to buy one or look at it anyway tell me It is a good chopper :cry:
United Elias
01-09-2003, 16:50
The Elias Aerospace engineers have based these airframes on the EA-24 not EA-22 as previously stated.

Army version: EA-24GT


The EA-24GT is an gunship/assault version of the EA-24 helicopter designed to meet the specific requirements of the Tiltsitsin Army. The design is based upon the EA-24G Special Forces helicopter but has had modifications made.

Modifications Include:

-Addition of a three barrelled M-197 20mm gun mounted on under nose turret.

-Re-wiring and re-design of weapon hardpoints to fire guided missiles as well as unguided rocket pods. Up to twelve such weapons can bee carried.

-Installation of laser designator and other sensors to guide anti-tank and air to air missiles.

-Strengthening of Transmission to accommodate extra weight.

The Price for the Army assault version is 14.5 million per airframe.

Naval version: EA-24HT

The EA-24HT is based upon the venerable EA-24H naval helicopter and is equipped with the latest snti submarine and anti-shipping sensors and weapons. The following modifications have been made to comply with Tilsitsin requirements.

Modifications Include:

-Addition of a three barrelled M-197 20mm gun mounted on under nose turret. Moving the Blue Kestral Radar system currently under nose to between the main landing gear.

-Strengthening of Transmission to accommodate extra weight.

The Price for the Navy version is 14 million per airframe.

In all other ways the specifiations are the same as the model they are derived from which are compiant with the rewuirements. More information can be obatined here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824
01-09-2003, 17:08
The Elias Aerospace engineers have based these airframes on the EA-24 not EA-22 as previously stated.

Army version: EA-24GT


The EA-24GT is an gunship/assault version of the EA-24 helicopter designed to meet the specific requirements of the Tiltsitsin Army. The design is based upon the EA-24G Special Forces helicopter but has had modifications made.

Modifications Include:

-Addition of a three barrelled M-197 20mm gun mounted on under nose turret.

-Re-wiring and re-design of weapon hardpoints to fire guided missiles as well as unguided rocket pods. Up to twelve such weapons can bee carried.

-Installation of laser designator and other sensors to guide anti-tank and air to air missiles.

-Strengthening of Transmission to accommodate extra weight.

The Price for the Army assault version is 14.5 million per airframe.

Naval version: EA-24HT

The EA-24HT is based upon the venerable EA-24H naval helicopter and is equipped with the latest snti submarine and anti-shipping sensors and weapons. The following modifications have been made to comply with Tilsitsin requirements.

Modifications Include:

-Addition of a three barrelled M-197 20mm gun mounted on under nose turret. Moving the Blue Kestral Radar system currently under nose to between the main landing gear.

-Strengthening of Transmission to accommodate extra weight.

The Price for the Navy version is 14 million per airframe.

In all other ways the specifiations are the same as the model they are derived from which are compiant with the rewuirements. More information can be obatined here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40824

Thank you for the information.. Testing of all aircraft will now begin in earnest.
01-09-2003, 17:15
Also, a naval Mi-35K will be sent, which has great range and endurance, and yes torpedoes, sonar, and sonobuoys.
05-09-2003, 02:15
Testing has been completed, winner will be announced shortly..
05-09-2003, 02:46
Out of the finalists I would recommend the Mi-35...
05-09-2003, 02:46
The Tilsitsinian Advanced Multipurpose Helicopter Acquisition Board wishes to announce that the following helicopter has been selected by the board for the production contract, ased on cost, performance and capability:

BDIA's Mi-35M

Congratulations to the BDIA firm on their win for the contract, and specifics regarding the contract will be posted here as well as telegram-sent shortly..

We also want to thank all competitors for their submissions, and we also wish to announce that limited contracts will be placed for some of the other helicopters that were not chosen in the near future.

TAMHAB
05-09-2003, 04:14
The following are the initial orders placed for the Mi-35M:

Base Mi-35M: 790 machines
Naval Mi-35k: 350 machines
Parts and spares contract for $50 million.

Please provide estimate as soon as is possible..
05-09-2003, 04:18
We also seek to purchase from Elias Aerospace the following airframes:

EA-24GT: 108 (To refit our foreign legion army with a modern helicopter, to replace the ageing TOW Cobras they currently have on inventory)

The foreign legion normally uses totally seperate equipment from the army, thus justifying them not using the Mi-35.
05-09-2003, 12:33
Tilsitsins purchase confirmed.
07-09-2003, 20:26
Tilsitsins purchase confirmed.

Funds wired.. Thank you.
07-09-2003, 20:27
Excellent, expect all to be delievered within 2 [NS] years.
United Elias
07-09-2003, 20:33
That order is confirmed. We also would like to order 120 Mi-35Ms.
07-09-2003, 20:35
That order is confirmed. We also would like to order 120 Mi-35Ms.

Thank you.. Funds have been wired.
07-09-2003, 21:23
That order is confirmed. We also would like to order 120 Mi-35Ms.
Confirmed.
United Elias
07-09-2003, 21:35
money wired.