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The Imperial Armed Forces of Patrua are proud to present you this nice weapon, the PaSMG-4. This submachine gun was designed for the Empire's elite forces of the legendary First Legion. Apart from those who serve in that outfit, only the National Intelligence and Security Agency and specialist intervention teams from the Imperial Police Corps are using this weapon.

The PaSMG-4 is a blowback operated, selective fire weapon. It is fed from 50-rounds box magazines, made from transluscent polymer. The magazine is being located above the barrel, with the cartridges being aligned at 90 degrees to the barrel axis. Each magazine has built-in ramp that rotates cartridge to align it with the barrel prior to chambering it.

The PaSMG-4 controls are completely ambidextrous, with charging handles located at the both sides of the weapon, and the safety/fire mode selector is located below the trigger. The PaSMG also features downward ejection of the spent cases. The submachine gun is built in bull-pup configuration, with polymer stock, and features built-in reflex collimator sight with 1X magnification and reticle automaticaly ajustable to the light level, as well as a set of the backup open sights. It may be equipped with special silencer, that should be used with special, subsonic variant of the 5.7x28mm cartridge.

The Center for Strategic Scientific Development also developed a new round with enhanced penetration - the PaAM-190. This round looks like scaled downt 5.56mm NATO round and forces the pointed, steel core bullet to the 600-700 meters per second at the muzzle, thus being capable to defeat standart CRISAT helmets and armour vests at reasonable distances (50-100 meters).

Caliber: 5.7x28mm PaAM-190
Weight: 2.54 kg empty; 3 kg loaded with magazine with 50 rounds
Lenght: 500 mm
Barrel lenght: 263 mm
Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 50 rounds
Effective range: 200 meters
Accessories: laser, light, silencer
Price: $2,450

http://www.full-auto.com/images/firearms/FN%20P90/P90_left_side.gif

The PaSMG-4, left side

http://www.a2g2.com/whatsnew/P-90RINGSIGHTS/01.jpg

The sight of the PaSMG-4

http://www.fnherstal.com/html/p90/DAYLIGHT.jpg http://www.fnherstal.com/html/p90/LOWLIGHT.jpg

A view through the sight, daylight conditions and low light conditions

http://www.black-ops.wz.cz/clanky/zbrane/655b.jpg

The PaSMG-4 disassembled

http://www.fnherstal.com/html/p90/SOLDATCOUCHE.jpg

Among the proud owners of the PaSMG-4 are the soldiers of Patrua's elite First Legion


Commercial Department
Centre for Scientific Strategic Development
Imperial Armed Forces of Patrua

i will take a millions worth

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I'll take 500,000.. that should arm my elites...

Also, i would like to buy 500,000 of these for each NS year (i'm spreading the price on my budget, 1 NS year = 1 day).
*The money is wired automatically upon confirmation of this post for first 500,000*

*money wired at delivery of each 500,000 per year (If this is okay with you)*

i will take a millions worth

A million USD will get you 408 of these magnificent babies.

We will order:

(27) PaSMG-4

That'll be $66,150 for this splendid, state-of-the-art machinegun.

I'll take 500,000.. that should arm my elites...

Also, i would like to buy 500,000 of these for each NS year (i'm spreading the price on my budget, 1 NS year = 1 day).
*The money is wired automatically upon confirmation of this post for first 500,000*

*money wired at delivery of each 500,000 per year (If this is okay with you)*

That arrangement is satisfactory. That's a sum of $1,225,000,000 each year. The shipments will arrive automatically from now on.
Please do not forget to specify for how many years you wish this deal to last.

Imperial Armed Forces of Patrua

I will take 5000. Payment wired upon confirmation.

I will take 5000. Payment wired upon confirmation.

Your order has been confirmed for $12,250,000. A bargain for such a nice gun, I kid you not.

[The FN-P90 is hardly new...]

[The FN-P90 is hardly new...]

You're right, it also says we've been using it already. But it is the first time the Patruan version hits the market :D
How many do you want ?

[The FN-P90 is hardly new...]

You're right, it also says we've been using it already. But it is the first time the Patruan version hits the market :D
How many do you want ?
Two hundred and twenty-six.

Ministry of External Affairs

The FSB would like to purchase 80 for trial, also maybe you would be interested in these:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56000

The FSB would like to purchase 80 for trial, also maybe you would be interested in these:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56000

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59484&highlight=

:lol:
We already got our Warthog Guided Heavy Long Range Missile, thank you.
And your machinegun looks nice... especially in this storefront thread :wink:

I'll put you down for 80 then, that'll be $196,000.

oh sorry i'll get rid of the link. :oops:

Two hundred and twenty-six.

Ministry of External Affairs

Okay, that'll be $553,700 for this unusual amount of guns.
You'll be pleased you bought these... I think.

Two hundred and twenty-six.

Ministry of External Affairs

Okay, that'll be $553,700 for this unusual amount of guns.
You'll be pleased you bought these... I think.

Assignments to security guards and requests from specialist bodyguard organisations with government approval. A further order may be forthcoming, assuming positive feedback.

Payment made. Thank you.

Department of External Affairs

you gota love the P90

you gota love the P90

Sure thing. Why not buy some?

I will order 1 million of these guns.

I will order 1 million of these guns.

Order confirmed, that'll be $2,450,000,000 for a lifetime of fun.

the actual P90 clip is 100 rounds........ :lol:

you gota love the P90

not really, if you drop a P90 with anything other than a full mag, then the rounds inside may get disoriented and thus, the gun might not fire.

I'll take 300 of them

if my calculations are correct that will cost me 735,000 USD

the money will be wired upon confirmation of my order

the actual P90 clip is 100 rounds........ :lol:actually it has a 50 round box magazine, or atleast thats what FN Hershtal (the company that makes them) has been telling the world... :lol:

really??? I could have sworn it had 100........ well if that's what the producers say..... it seems I was wrong...... :x

you gota love the P90

not really, if you drop a P90 with anything other than a full mag, then the rounds inside may get disoriented and thus, the gun might not fire.

don't drop it then......

I have seen a P90 irl and it takes 50 rounds in the box plus one in the chamber, also this weapon is niether "new", "elite" or a "gun".

you gota love the P90

not really, if you drop a P90 with anything other than a full mag, then the rounds inside may get disoriented and thus, the gun might not fire.

don't drop it then......

... ok, you're not quite getting me, eh?

I have seen a P90 irl and it takes 50 rounds in the box plus one in the chamber, also this weapon is niether "new", "elite" or a "gun".

it's relativly new, not really elite, but it is a gun.

"This is my rifle, this is my gun
http://www.short-timers.com/newDVD5.jpg
One is for killing the other is for fun"




The FN-p90 is impropely classed as a "sub-machine gun" The proper classification has been accepted as Personal Defense Weapon for lack of a better term, as the p-90 is the only weapon in its class it has been difficult to introduce an entirely new class of weapon around a single firearm.

"This is my rifle, this is my gun
http://www.short-timers.com/newDVD5.jpg
One is for killing the other is for fun"




The FN-p90 is impropely classed as a "sub-machine gun" The proper classification has been accepted as Personal Defense Weapon for lack of a better term, as the p-90 is the only weapon in its class it has been difficult to introduce an entirely new class of weapon around a single firearm.

Actually, it isn't the only PDW in it's class, as there is also the MP-7PDW, which, in my opinion is a better weapon.

in anycase, a gun is a gun is a gun.

There is also the MP5K-PDW, I am telling you that the P90 is in its own class, the proper class is not PDW, but that is what it has been given by the firearms community in lieu of its own class, And no a gun is not a gun, a weapon is a weapon, a rifle is a rifle, a pistol is a pistol and so on. no time to argue w/ you im gone so i get the last word as i add ns to my popupfilter list! good day!

not really, if you drop a P90 with anything other than a full mag, then the rounds inside may get disoriented and thus, the gun might not fire.

My troops are not French, they don't drop their weapons.

I'll take 300 of them

if my calculations are correct that will cost me 735,000 USD

the money will be wired upon confirmation of my order

Your order has been confirmed, thanks. You'll love 'em.

And no a gun is not a gun, a weapon is a weapon, a rifle is a rifle, a pistol is a pistol and so on.

Definition of: Gun

gun
n.
1. A weapon consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory.
2. A cannon with a long barrel and a relatively low angle of fire.
3. A portable firearm, such as a rifle or revolver.
4. A device resembling a firearm or cannon, as in its ability to project something, such as grease, under pressure or at great speed.
5. A discharge of a firearm or cannon as a signal or salute.
6. One, such as a hunter, who carries or uses a gun.
7.A person skilled in the use of a gun.
A professional killer: a hired gun.
8.The throttle of an engine, as of an automobile.

Dictionary.com

1.gun
of gin
(n.) A weapon which throws or propels a missile to a distance; any firearm or instrument for throwing projectiles by the explosion of gunpowder, consisting of a tube or barrel closed at one end, in which the projectile is placed, with an explosive charge behind, which is ignited by various means. Muskets, rifles, carbines, and fowling pieces are smaller guns, for hand use, and are called small arms. Larger guns are called cannon, ordnance, fieldpieces, carronades, howitzers, etc. See these terms in the Vocabulary.
(n.) A piece of heavy ordnance; in a restricted sense, a cannon.
(n.) Violent blasts of wind.
(v. i.) To practice fowling or hunting small game; -- chiefly in participial form; as, to go gunning.

brainydictionary.com

Main Entry: 1gun
Pronunciation: 'g&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English gonne, gunne
Date: 14th century
1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile
2 a : a discharge of a gun especially as a salute or signal b : a signal marking a beginning or ending
3 a : HUNTER b : GUNMAN
4 : something suggesting a gun in shape or function
5 : THROTTLE
- gunned /'g&nd/ adjective
- under the gun : under pressure or attack

m-w.com (Webster)

A gun is a gun, as is a rifle, as is a machinegun, as is a cannon, wether you like it or not. Don't debate semantics here.

*Edit: rectified false accusations towards assington*

i didn't write that about dropping the gun.........

i didn't write that about dropping the gun.........

:oops:
Sorry, it's been corrected.
Have a free gun.

:lol: it's ok.......

200 for my Elite Commandos

200 for my Elite Commandos

Order confirmed, thanks. A nice $490,000 for an excellent investment.

Without meaning to sound like a spoilsport, but why in blzes would one want to employ an optical sight with a magnification of 1x? That's no magnification at all...

Ah well, if that means of aim suits the Patruan Army, then good for the Patruan Army. Still can't beat a Kalashnikov in terms of bang for your buck...case in point, the good ol' AK-47

30 rounds, 7.62 x 38mm, ridiculously easy to use, so reliable as to be obscene, and available anywhere in the world, in large quantities.
And 7.62mm rounds, fired at full auto, will stop a man in his tracks, right quick.

Hard to control on full auto (7.62mm, that's .308, fired at full automatic...), but just fine on the burst, and more accurate at range on single shot than most.

Yep...I like AKs...

Our Most Holy Imperial Army will take 25,000 for our Special Task Force division of our infantry division.

PaSMG-4 vs AK-47

Well, the other fourteen legions of our glorious Imperial Armed Forces do use the AK-47 and they're all jealous because the guys (and girl) from the First Legion have these.

Our Most Holy Imperial Army will take 25,000 for our Special Task Force division of our infantry division.

You Most Holy Imperial Army has made a wise choice. Your Special Task Force division will be thrilled to have these. Order confirmed for $61,250,000.

Could I Please get 1000?

* Money Wired *

Could I Please get 1000?

* Money Wired *

One thousand, coming your way. Thanks and have fun with them.

not really, if you drop a P90 with anything other than a full mag, then the rounds inside may get disoriented and thus, the gun might not fire.

My troops are not French, they don't drop their weapons.


your troops ever fight? Your troops ever train?

Do you notice that when troops are fighting things start to get banged around a good lot?

When I said "drop" I was also refering to a hard hit against the side of the wall, or a hard hit against the ground or a hard hit... well, against anything, has a good chance of disorianting the bullets within the mag.

Eh, I am worried that the bullets might get disorientated in Helicopter Operations.

Should I be worried?

Eh, I am worried that the bullets might get disorientated in Helicopter Operations.

Should I be worried?

Well, IRL the FN P-90 was meant as a personal defense weapon for tank crews and pilots, so they'll stand the chopper bumps. Also they're used by special forces units of Peru (where it was carried by point men in the rescue at the Japanese embassy in Lima and successfully pierced the body armor of the leader of the Tupac Amaru rebels - if you saw the footage, you know that these weapons can handle a severe hit) and Thailand. I guess they can stand the heat then.

Not to worry.

A drain on the nations budget (90% will be lost, in fact), but I would like to order 550,000 of them.

1,347,500,000 Attican Credits (1 to 1 USD) will be wired upon confirmation.

A drain on the nations budget (90% will be lost, in fact), but I would like to order 550,000 of them.

1,347,500,000 Attican Credits (1 to 1 USD) will be wired upon confirmation.

Relatively new nations or nations with developping economies can enjoy a exceptional arrangement in which payments are distributed over several years (10 max.) without charge of extra interests. This way, their economies or national budgets aren't affected too much at the same time.
The cost will indeed be 1,347,500,000 Attican Credits.

Thanks for ordering these fine weapons. They will serve you well.

I'll buy 1000 of these fine weapons! *wires money*

----------------
-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy
U.N. Delegate

http://images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/small/10045000/10045608.jpg

i will take 5,000 for my special forces infantry to take out the terroist group "rights for trout" in the northern part of my country. money wired on conf.

I'll buy 1000 of these fine weapons! *wires money*

And fine weapons they are indeed! Thanks for the order. Looking good, by the way.

i will take 5,000 for my special forces infantry to take out the terroist group "rights for trout" in the northern part of my country. money wired on conf.

"Rights for Trout"? Boy, you sure need these... Order confirmed for $12,250,000. Excellent choice.

Although these guns can pierce armor, they're not very effective if your target isn't wearing any. They're also very expensive.

An interesting weapon... I will take 1000 for the Presidential Guards at Fort Drakkon. This weapon shows some promise, if not some need for improvement as well.



Commander Aleksey Vasikovich Reyerov, Minister of Defense
National Military Command, Fort Drakkon
001 Vincere Street, Ophiuchus, Phenoix

An interesting weapon... I will take 1000 for the Presidential Guards at Fort Drakkon. This weapon shows some promise, if not some need for improvement as well.



Commander Aleksey Vasikovich Reyerov, Minister of Defense
National Military Command, Fort Drakkon
001 Vincere Street, Ophiuchus, Phenoix

Thank you, your order has been confirmed and will cost you but a mere $2,450,000.
We recognize that there will always be room for improvement. It's what keeps civilization going. Or as the grand wizard Shadax once said: "Nothing perfect was ever made".

Patrua, may I ask when these weapons will be delivered to the Scharnhoerst Military Base by? We are in the middle of a war and need them ASAP. I hear FedEx ships fast.

Canada-Germany, where did you get this information that if the p90 is dropped the rounds become disoriented so much so that the weapon fails to fire? Do you have an article a link etc? Or is this your own experince with the weapon?

When will you be manufacturing more infantry type weapons such as Rifles?

Patrua, may I ask when these weapons will be delivered to the Scharnhoerst Military Base by? We are in the middle of a war and need them ASAP. I hear FedEx ships fast.

Your order has received a first-priority status, the reserve supply of weapons will be used to fullfill your request. This means that 250,000 can be delivered in the next couple of NS days. The others will take some more time but expect them to arrive within an NS month (whatever time that may be in your nation). Oh, and we'll fly 'em to you by An-124, that'll be faster than a FedEx ship.

When will you be manufacturing more infantry type weapons such as Rifles?

To facilitate training and production, we tend to use a limited amount of standardized types. Apart from the PaSMG-4, most of our forces use the ubiquitous AK-47's which we don't manufacture ourselves. So ain't selling those. The shotguns, handguns, knifes, grenades, missile launchers and flamethrowers we manufacture might be up for sale later on.
If you really are desperately needing more infantry weapons, better check out International Traders (storefront threads) (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40870) chances are you'll find everything you need there.

We do sell some armed vehicles like the Warthog Aphibious Assault Vehicle (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62357) and the Cobra Wheeled Light Armoured Vehicle (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=62199) and of course the legendary Tomahawk Transport & Assault Helicopter (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44492).

I'll take 300 of them

if my calculations are correct that will cost me 735,000 USD

the money will be wired upon confirmation of my order

Your order has been confirmed, thanks. You'll love 'em.





Sorry for the delay of my recognition of my order the money has been wired and thank you

kewt- gimme 1000

well a toned down version would be perfect for our needs

we can pay in oil

kewt- gimme 1000

One thousand PaSMG-4's are on their way to the Dominion of Doofuss.
That means $2,450,000 should be on their way to our treasury.
Thank you.

well a toned down version would be perfect for our needs

we can pay in oil

Pay in oil, you say?
Let's say you hand a profitable concession to the Imperial Mining Corporation (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45138)... we're in the same government, so they'll know about this. Be sure to specify how many of these fine weapons you need.

Can I have 50 thousand please?

The FN P90 has long been the main weapon used by Novistanas law-enforcement and armed forces.

OoC:And from the people that brought you the P90:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm
The all around sub machine gun as seen in splinter cell.
(I thought they just made it up)

Can I have 50 thousand please?

Sure you can. Gotta pay though, $122,500,000 to be exact.
Thanks.

Novistana, thanks for the bump.

122,500 000 is wired :arrow:

122,500 000 is wired :arrow:

Thanks, be sure to drop by if you should need more.