The Black Eagle 2 MBT (owns M1A2)
Newer versionm of it available at: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=72329
The Bisonic Defense Initiatives Agency (BDIA) has announced the development of the Black Eagle 2 (T-80UM4), a furtehr upgrade of the T-80UM2 Black Eagle. It is fully immune to 120 or 125mm rounds (only if fired from 2km or farthjer away for KE penetrators) due to its 3rd gen kaktus ERA, and it has 4 missile protection systems. http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u.jpg
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u(5).jpg
The T-80UM4 armament includes one Free Rumanian hgh velocity 135mm gun, stabilized in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. It penetrates 1900mm at 1km, 1300mm at 2 km, 800 mm at 3km. An M1A2 is dead at 3 km. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuses, though HEAT is most effective against tanks.
The 135mm gun can also fire the AT-17 Slicer anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100 - 6,000 m and takes 14.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 7 km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 28.4 kg. The guns 12 rpm automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.
There are 12 Kornet ATGM's towards the rear of the turret. Kornet is a laser guided ATGM with a range of over 5km that easily penetrates the amror of the M1A2 or similar tanks with its 1200mm penetration.
Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62 mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7 mm air defense machine gun. A 5.45 mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.
Armor:
The T-80UM4 tank is protected by both 2nd generation CHobham armor and 3rd generation ERA (kaktus). THis allows it to absorb hits from 120 or 125mm guns, as well as from a good deal of missiles.
The T-80UM4 is fitted with the Shtora-1. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerized control system.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.
T-80UM4 is fitted with Arena.
The Bisonic ARENA system, the first available DAS-system, was analysed by TNO-PML in collaboration with TNO-FEL. This systems detects an incoming anti-tank missile and reacts by throwing a cassette containing explosives and fragments towards the missile. Upon detonation of the cassette, the fragments interact with the missile, such that its effectiveness decreases substantially.
Both testings of the effectiveness of the fragments and computer simulation of the suite of events- detection, intercept and residual penetration capability- were performed. This resulted in an assessment of the increased survivability of the vehicle equipped with ARENA. The same analyses also gave an idea of the decrease of performance of the anti-tank missile.
The Arena system is switched on/off from the commander's control console. Once Arena is switched on, all subsequent operations are performed automatically. Apart from the basic automatic mode of operation, exceptionally, the commander can control the system manually, for example, when it is necessary to destroy obstacles or for close-in protection against infantry.
Arena provides protection for a moving or stationary tank in any weather and in any combat environment, irrespective of the angle of impact of the enemy's weapons. The data-processing radars and sights feature a high level of noise immunity. They do not respond to false and random signals, and come into action only in situations where there is a serious threat to the tank or when a weapon fired by the enemy is heading directly towards the tank.
THe T-80UM4 also has a laser jamming system and Drozd-M, protecting it very well from missiles.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.
Propulsion:
The T-80UM4 has a 1400 hp turbocharged engine. This engine can be fuelled by T-2 or TS-1 kerosene and A-72 benzine, in addition to diesel. The tank can carry up to 1,600 litres of fuel in the main fuel tanks and fuel drums. The fuel tanks are reinforced with armor plating.
The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 5 metres of water with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes.
The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.
Fire Control: The gunner's 1A43 day FCS comprises: 1G46 day sight/rangefinder with missile guidance channel, 2E42-4 armament stabilizer, 1V528 ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge.
The commander's PNK-4S sight includes a TKN-4S (Agat-S) day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m (day) and 700 m (night).
The driver is equipped with a TVN-5 infrared night viewer.
The new fire control system includes very advanced features including the capability to acquire and lock onto moving targets, even airborne helicopters, while the tank itself is on the move.
The computer controlled fire control system includes line of sight stabilisation in two axes, a second-generation television sight and automatic thermal target tracker, a laser range finder, an improved thermal night vision system and a dynamic cant angle indicator. The commander's station is fitted with a stabilised panoramic day and night sight. The integrated operating system includes advanced data communications and battle management. Tadiran developed the T-96M's communications system, the inter communication system and the VRC 120 vehicular transceiver radio with embedded auxiliary receivers.
A T-80UM4 costs $6 mil, $5.5 mil for TGPA, NCA, or GII Commonwealth members
10 of each please, for in depth testing.
You know, I am buying a lot from someone who once almost destroyed me....
10 of each please, for in depth testing.
You know, I am buying a lot from someone who once almost destroyed me....Theres only one variant!
COnfirmed.
oh...
ten then
*money wired*
Bisons good to see you back
Bisons good to see you back
Why thank you!
4000 plx
money wired
COnfirmed $2.4 bil.
I think it is 24 bil, not 2.4
Lol.
Thanks for the correction.
The Bisonic Defense Initiatives Agency (BDIA) has announced the development of the Black Eagle 2 (T-80UM4), a furtehr upgrade of the T-80UM2 Black Eagle. It is fully immune to 120 or 125mm rounds due to its 3rd gen kaktus ERA, and it has 4 missile protection systems. It is also less expensive than the T-96U whch comes in at $7.5 mil but features a lower profile, as well as other improvements in mobility,etc.http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u.jpg
http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/t80/t84u(5).jpg
The T-80UM4 armament includes one Free Rumanian hgh velocity 135mm gun, stabilized in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. It penetrates 1900mm at 1km, 1300mm at 2 km, 800 mm at 3km. An M1A2 is dead at 3 km. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuses, though HEAT is most effective against tanks.
The 135mm gun can also fire the AT-17 Slicer anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100 - 6,000 m and takes 14.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 7 km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 28.4 kg. The guns 12 rpm automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles.
There are 12 Kornet ATGM's towards the rear of the turret. Kornet is a laser guided ATGM with a range of over 5km that easily penetrates the amror of the M1A2 or similar tanks with its 1200mm penetration.
Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62 mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7 mm air defense machine gun. A 5.45 mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack.
Armor:
The T-80UM4 tank is protected by both 2nd generation CHobham armor and 3rd generation ERA (kaktus). THis allows it to absorb hits from 120 or 125mm guns, as well as from a good deal of missiles.
The T-80UM4 is fitted with the Shtora-1. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerized control system.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.
T-80UM4 is fitted with Arena.
The Bisonic ARENA system, the first available DAS-system, was analysed by TNO-PML in collaboration with TNO-FEL. This systems detects an incoming anti-tank missile and reacts by throwing a cassette containing explosives and fragments towards the missile. Upon detonation of the cassette, the fragments interact with the missile, such that its effectiveness decreases substantially.
Both testings of the effectiveness of the fragments and computer simulation of the suite of events- detection, intercept and residual penetration capability- were performed. This resulted in an assessment of the increased survivability of the vehicle equipped with ARENA. The same analyses also gave an idea of the decrease of performance of the anti-tank missile.
The Arena system is switched on/off from the commander's control console. Once Arena is switched on, all subsequent operations are performed automatically. Apart from the basic automatic mode of operation, exceptionally, the commander can control the system manually, for example, when it is necessary to destroy obstacles or for close-in protection against infantry.
Arena provides protection for a moving or stationary tank in any weather and in any combat environment, irrespective of the angle of impact of the enemy's weapons. The data-processing radars and sights feature a high level of noise immunity. They do not respond to false and random signals, and come into action only in situations where there is a serious threat to the tank or when a weapon fired by the enemy is heading directly towards the tank.
THe T-80UM4 also has a laser jamming system and Drozd-M, protecting it very well from missiles.
It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment.
Propulsion:
The T-80UM4 has a 1400 hp turbocharged engine. This engine can be fuelled by T-2 or TS-1 kerosene and A-72 benzine, in addition to diesel. The tank can carry up to 1,600 litres of fuel in the main fuel tanks and fuel drums. The fuel tanks are reinforced with armor plating.
The tank is provided with a snorkel for deep fording and can ford 5 metres of water with equipment which can be deployed in 20 minutes.
The mechanical transmission includes primary reduction gear, two planetary final gearboxes and two planetary final drives. The running gear features torsion bar suspension with hydraulic shock absorbers at 1, 2 and 6 road wheel stations and tracks with rubber-metallic pin hinges.
Fire Control: The gunner's 1A43 day FCS comprises: 1G46 day sight/rangefinder with missile guidance channel, 2E42-4 armament stabilizer, 1V528 ballistic computer and DVE-BS wind gauge.
The commander's PNK-4S sight includes a TKN-4S (Agat-S) day/night sight which has identification ranges of 800 m (day) and 700 m (night).
The driver is equipped with a TVN-5 infrared night viewer.
The new fire control system includes very advanced features including the capability to acquire and lock onto moving targets, even airborne helicopters, while the tank itself is on the move.
The computer controlled fire control system includes line of sight stabilisation in two axes, a second-generation television sight and automatic thermal target tracker, a laser range finder, an improved thermal night vision system and a dynamic cant angle indicator. The commander's station is fitted with a stabilised panoramic day and night sight. The integrated operating system includes advanced data communications and battle management. Tadiran developed the T-96M's communications system, the inter communication system and the VRC 120 vehicular transceiver radio with embedded auxiliary receivers.
A T-80UM4 costs $6 mil, $5.5 mil for TGPA, NCA, or GII Commonwealth members
Exactly how long did it take you to come up with all of this?
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Seriously?I am an RP noob Im just looking around trying to pick it up.
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Seriously?I am an RP noob Im just looking around trying to pick it up.
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I just modfied a description off a website
Err it doesn't look like a M1A2 more like a T-90, well we will buy 2 please.
*Money wired
Err it doesn't look like a M1A2 more like a T-90, well we will buy 2 please.
*Money wired
COnfirmed.
It owns M1A2 its not a M1A2.
(OOC: Pic is of T-84U)
Ok just that you said it was your own verson of the M1A2. Whatever we are coming out with a differnt verson of the M1A2 too.
Iraqstan
18-08-2003, 16:34
what no stealthy bullshit? like the rest of your bullshit bisons?
<back to ignore for you!>
Bought to you by the OOC department
Clairmont
18-08-2003, 16:44
OOC: You do know that ERA will not magically make a tank invurnelable to kinetic energy penetrators.
OOC: You do know that ERA will not magically make a tank invurnelable to kinetic energy penetrators.
Hence 2nd generation CHobham.
Clairmont
18-08-2003, 16:51
Which neither will make the tank INVURNELABLE to kinetic energy penetrators. Any armor can be penetrated as long as the shot hits the right spot with enough force translating to a low range, long aim time shot.
Which neither will make the tank INVURNELABLE to kinetic energy penetrators. Any armor can be penetrated as long as the shot hits the right spot with enough force translating to a low range, long aim time shot.
The way ERA works is a small part of it blows up, blowing up the shell as well before it penetrates.
Explosive Reactive Armor.
Clairmont
18-08-2003, 16:58
The problem with that is that KE penetrators arent shells. They are arrows made out of extremely dense materials like depleted uranium. You cant just blow those up like you can do to HEAT shots, the ERA with luck can change the trajectory of the KE penetrator a bit so that the crew or most of the crew survives, but it wont prevent the KE penetrator from hitting.
Or maybe the Chobham and conventional armor will stop it.
Clairmont
18-08-2003, 17:01
Yup. The only real defense against KE penetrators is armor. But in order to survive the KE rounds from like a Challenger II, you will need a lot of good armor and the CH II needs to be firing from quite a long range.
Yup. The only real defense against KE penetrators is armor. But in order to survive the KE rounds from like a Challenger II, you will need a lot of good armor and the CH II needs to be firing from quite a long range.
This can destroy Abrams at 3km, I dont tink theyll live to get close enough.
Plus it has 12 Kornet ATGM's in the rear to kill em off at up to 6km.
Clairmont
18-08-2003, 17:05
Then there is no problem. As long as you arent claiming that it is completely invurnelable to 120 and 125mm kinetic energy penetrators, all i can say that its a fine tank.
Then there is no problem. As long as you arent claiming that it is completely invurnelable to 120 and 125mm kinetic energy penetrators, all i can say that its a fine tank.
Its not totally immune to KEP's, but it wont let anything get close.
We'll take 10,000, if we can buy so much.
We'll take 10,000, if we can buy so much.
Yeah you can afford it.
Confirmed, $60 bil.
I assume its a contract over some time.
I'll get 3000 more
money wired
I'll get 3000 more
money wired
COnfirmed, thats another $18 bil.
KONAKT-5 offered increased protection vs APFSDS & HEAT rounds. K-5 Ie, added the equivelent of 250 - 280mm RHA vs APFSDS rounds. K-5 coverage was 60% turret and 80%glacis.
The US conducted live fire tests vs T-72s fitted with K-5 in 1996, and found it was immune to the M829 APFSDS round. The exact round was never identified, speculation on the round type ran from the M829A1 to M829A2 round. The signifagance of KONTAkT-5 was that it had existed since 1985, uknown to NATO, and that it could defeat all existing NATO 105, & 120mm APFSDS ammunition in 1985.
KAKTUS was the next 3rd Generation ERA, & was developed as a response to the M829A2, DM43A1 APFSDS rounds, & to defeat tandem warheads, EFPs, top attack ATGMs etc. KAKTUS also reportedly improves KE resistance beyond KONTAKT-5's, as well as allowing more plate coverage of the turret & glacis, then KONTAKT-5.
THis uses Kaktus.
Any quesitons?
Clairmont
18-08-2003, 19:40
Hmm, most interesting. Anything on how it works? Because i fail to see how simple explosives could actually break a tungsten steel or depleted uranium arrow. Enough explosives could very likely change the trajectory of the KEP but there is simply no way you can make a tank completely immune to KEP's. The only way to do that is the experimental electro-magnetic defense system that the brits are working on. Its supposed to shatter the KEP rounds before they reach the tank.
Also i noticed that you found this from a message board, not the best source of information. All official information including Globalsecurity, Army-Technology etcetera do not say a word about any ERA making a tank completely immune to KEP's. Also, if the K-5 is allready immune to KEP's, then how can the Kaktus improve the KE resistance any further?
Hmm, most interesting. Anything on how it works? Because i fail to see how simple explosives could actually break a tungsten steel or depleted uranium arrow. Enough explosives could very likely change the trajectory of the KEP but there is simply no way you can make a tank completely immune to KEP's. The only way to do that is the experimental electro-magnetic defense system that the brits are working on. Its supposed to shatter the KEP rounds before they reach the tank.
Also i noticed that you found this from a message board, not the best source of information. All official information including Globalsecurity, Army-Technology etcetera do not say a word about any ERA making a tank completely immune to KEP's. Also, if the K-5 is allready immune to KEP's, then how can the Kaktus improve the KE resistance any further?
Im not RPing it as immune.... just saying.
It says it offers increased proteciton not immunity, so l;ets say it survives hits at 2km.
Clairmont
18-08-2003, 19:44
Fair enough, however the text that you quoted did say that the K-5 was completely immune to the M829, and that the Kaktus yet improved that KE resistance, which was the point i was referring to.
But anyways i think that the 2km kill limit is quite fair, leaves the tank still vurnelable if the opponent is smart enough and with good enough hardware.
Fair enough, however the text that you quoted did say that the K-5 was completely immune to the M829, and that the Kaktus yet improved that KE resistance, which was the point i was referring to.
But anyways i think that the 2km kill limit is quite fair, leaves the tank still vurnelable if the opponent is smart enough and with good enough hardware.
GOod luck getting within 2km of it :D
Ill change the tank description a bit.
It is fully immune to 120 or 125mm rounds. god mode.
Why dont you read the thread its vulnerable to KE penetratros if theyre fired from 2km or closer to it.
Iraqstan
18-08-2003, 20:21
I'm unsure what you mean by KE weapons but the british are testing an armour system that electrifies a layer of armour which has proven to make the tank immune to attacks from shaped charged anti-tank missiles like the RPG-7 and what not....I think you might be referring to that where it electrifies the copper jet stream which causes the missile to explode before even touching the tank and the shrapenal is absorbed the the tanks standard armour.
Also a rather costly both power and weight wise you could simply throw on a MTHEL system or two which can take down tank shells at distance..... but Bisons proly wouldnt understand that thing ;)
I'm unsure what you mean by KE weapons but the british are testing an armour system that electrifies a layer of armour which has proven to make the tank immune to attacks from shaped charged anti-tank missiles like the RPG-7 and what not....I think you might be referring to that where it electrifies the copper jet stream which causes the missile to explode before even touching the tank and the shrapenal is absorbed the the tanks standard armour.
Also a rather costly both power and weight wise you could simply throw on a MTHEL system or two which can take down tank shells at distance..... but Bisons proly wouldnt understand that thing ;)
THis can swallow up RPG-7.
RPG-7 only penetrates 300mm of armor... good for killing humvees useless for killing tanks.
KE= Kinetic Energy.
The South Islands
19-08-2003, 19:03
Finnaly, a good tank for my forces...Its about fricking time.
I Want 12,000, to be deliverd At 600 Per month for the next 20 months.
Money will be wired as a contract per tanks delivered. The initial payment for the first months tanks will be wired now, further payments will be made when the tanks are delivered.
New Empire
19-08-2003, 19:07
OOC-Yeah, the Kornet series missiles can easily defeat it... And of course, there's the Electro Thermal Chemical cannon, which can fire a 120mm round with the force of a 140mm... Only 1-2 years off... Yay for tank destroyers and AT missiles!
Johnistan
19-08-2003, 19:09
Hmm...electro thermal cannon...maybe I should start testing those out on my T-95's 152mm tank gun.
Could we buy the plans and production right?
Everything confirmed- New Empire shtora-1 has a 65% chance of jamming kornet according to russian tests with kornets with dummy warheads. Also it has a laser jamming system so Kornet isnt really useful against it.
Not to mention this has 3rd generation Kaktus ERA which offers better protection against tandem warheads then Kontakt.
If available, how much for the plans? We wil be only producing them for ourselves and maybe add a few Omzian modifications (at least the Canadians and the Chinese modified their imported planes).
If available, how much for the plans? We wil be only producing them for ourselves and maybe add a few Omzian modifications (at least the Canadians and the Chinese modified their imported planes).
Domestic prod rights... hmm $5 bil.
PS:
Ill post some sources about how Kontakt-5 2nd generation stopped KE penetrators, then its back to 3rd generation Kaktus being immune to em.
I would like too the Domestic Production rights. Money auto-wired if request confirmed.
I would like to purchase 600 units and domestic production rights. Payment wired upon confirmation.
OK.... I am new to this Nation States game ...... awesome tank, and want some to compliment my expanding navy (as per issues)..... but how you go about getting items like this for oyur nation ??... how do oyu get money for your nation ?? or is this just like a pretend discussion ??
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OK.... I am new to this Nation States game ...... awesome tank, and want some to compliment my expanding navy (as per issues)..... but how you go about getting items like this for oyur nation ??... how do oyu get money for your nation ?? or is this just like a pretend discussion ??
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First you might want to check out the GDP calculator(http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php) to give yourself and idea of your available military budget. The rest is roleplaying.
OK.... I am new to this Nation States game ...... awesome tank, and want some to compliment my expanding navy (as per issues)..... but how you go about getting items like this for oyur nation ??... how do oyu get money for your nation ?? or is this just like a pretend discussion ??
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You can have 500 free.
Edenstein
04-09-2003, 20:07
*Drools Even more* DT, We have always been very satisfied with your prducts.. We would like to make a purchase of 4000 of these tanks, they obvisously area superior tank. We will use our M1A2's as shields for these. Money will be wired upon confirmation.
*Drools Even more* DT, We have always been very satisfied with your prducts.. We would like to make a purchase of 4000 of these tanks, they obvisously area superior tank. We will use our M1A2's as shields for these. Money will be wired upon confirmation.
COnfirmed.
Or melt them down and use the, for something worthwhile.
Just curious about my order.
Edenstein
21-09-2003, 18:39
We would like to purchase another 4000 of these tanks to complete our phase out of the M1A2 Money will be auto-wired upon confirmation
Everything confirmed (yes, danu, confirmed).
<<OOC: As much as I hate to do this, I'm going to have to back up DT in his argument. The Russian Kontakt-5 is the first ERA to be effective against KE rounds as well as shaped charges and can destroy the first few centimeters of a penetrator rod, taking off a good 5-10% of its mass and more importantly, blunting it, reducing its penetrating power. Anyway, Kontakt-5 adds about 300mm RHA (the unit for measuring equivilent armor thickness) to the tank's armor. To make up for helping DT out:
BISONS SUCKS!>>
OOC:
THis is Kaktus, even newer then K5 (which is from 1985).
This ashames me to say this, but.....
6,000 of you T-80UM5 tanks are needed.
Our FT-6 Beowulf is very much out of date, and we have found large numbers of our FT-9's, although they cannot be really shot up, lack the mobility and speed of a MBT.
We require all these tanks for this sector, to be spread around Marines, Army and Reserves.
This ashames me to say this, but.....
6,000 of you T-80UM5 tanks are needed.
Our FT-6 Beowulf is very much out of date, and we have found large numbers of our FT-9's, although they cannot be really shot up, lack the mobility and speed of a MBT.
We require all these tanks for this sector, to be spread around Marines, Army and Reserves.
You unignored me again? *waits for FC to ignore me again once I confirm it*
Confirmed, maybe youll wait 2 more days for T-80UM6? Better ATGM's, much better fire control.
Ok, I will wait
*Ignores DT until Wednesday*
It should be *unignores DT until its convenient to ignore him again* :roll:
Either way Im about to propose talks over Attican- I need to defend RF and am two wars at once is a strain on the economy.